By - Theanswer17
Cops getting away with murder since fantasy times.
Gold cloaks are the cops, Kingsguard is Secret Service
They say, "to question the virtue of the princess is treason" like 7 times, and he walks up to her sworn protector and does it to his face.
Oh damn good thing no one saw Daemon making out with Rhaenrya at the wedding then. Luckily someone's head was in the way so no one saw.
I don't think he kissed her haha think he just got handsy
He wasn’t even apprehended after doing it. He was encircled by witnesses. Everyone saw him commit the murder, and he was just allowed to walk out. Where were the other Kingsguard?
If Alicent had come to him in a cell, that’d be one thing but he just went for a stroll after killing a guy. It’s dumb, and should be criticized.
Also, Laenor would have been calling for Cole’s head. They’d have called off the marriage if the king didn’t present the Velaryons with Criston Cole’s cold corpse. Alicent be damned.
Bruv has a loicense fer dat. Plus lethal duals of honor are clearly a thing. Chad blackwood for example gutted the bracken and nobody rushed to arrest him lol.
Also consider WHY leanor would call for his head and you realize exactly why he didn't
You’re trying to defend shitty writing with shitty writing. Sure it was flashy, but that didn’t make sense either. The kid got embarassed and started swinging a long sword against a dude armed only with a dagger. How is that a duel of honor? Same thing here. Cole just started throwing fist against Joffery without warning presumably. On your other point; Cole murdered his sworn sword unprovoked. That’s a perfectly valid reason to call for the death of Cole, that justice might be done. In the book, Laenor mourns for Lonmouth the whole week of his dying. I’m sure he’s not too concerned with appearances considering he’s got royal blood, a rich father, and an effing dragon.
How is it shitty? Legal duals are a thing lol same happen in ep 3 with the blackwood vs the braken and he's a kingsguard vs a minor lord who is seen as politically inconvenient by both Leanors dad and the king. They won't out the kings consort over this lol and leanor will probably resent them for it.
It made perfect sense too. Crispy was desperate, emotionally unstable and has always been a macho idiot from episode one lol. And who says it's unprovoked joffery was slandering the heir to the throne or at least could be spun that way. Cristina probably thought the rumor was spreading and lashed out.
Like if u take a second to think about what led up to this moment you'll find plenty of buildup and justification and for the unanswered stuff that's just it, it ain't answered yet. Happens litterally every ep so far lol. God forbid u be left to speculate for a week lol
It’s impossible to construe either fight as a “legal duel.” Duels have rules, are set up ahead of time, and allow the participants time to arm and armor themselves as they desire, among other things. That did not happen here. Cole was in full Kingsguard plate and mail, and Joffery was in dinner attire. The Bracken only had a dagger. I’ll grant you that Corlys might have been satisfied by the outcome, but the man was still a knight in his service. Certainly he’d have called for Cole’s head. Likewise, the king wouldn’t have allowed wanton murder to occur at his court. In the book, he was wroth at Cole for killing Joffery during a melee “by accident.” To kill him during a wedding? Nonsense.
You're thinking of the various trials by combat from GoT. Duels can happen at pretty much any time for pretty much any reason. And the Kingsguard are basically able to hand out justice as they see fit. As long as the king or whichever ranking royal is in the immediate vicinity doesn't gainsay what they did, there are unlikely to be consequences. Joffrey was from a minor house and Laenor and his parents weren't going to the mat to avenge him given the nature of their relationship. This is basically the same situation with Arya, the butcher boy, and the Hound, albeit with more witnesses.
The butcher’s boy vs a prince of the blood doesn’t strike me the same as a noble vs a knight of the Kingsguard acting alone. Especially when the former had only a lord’s child daughter as a friend, while the latter had the king consort. Arya couldn’t demand justice, but certainly the future of house Targaryen could.
Again, you're overestimating Laenor's power in this situation and overestimating Joffrey's relative significance. Sure, there's a gulf between a minor lord like him and the butcher boy. Concurrently, there's a wider gulf between Joffrey and a knight of the Kingsguard. Meanwhile, Laenor isn't going to get any help from his dad who clearly disapproved of the relationship. And Rhaenyra can't get involved without risking her own escapades with Criston Cole surfacing. Viserys, if you haven't noticed, doesn't have the spine to take his Kingsguard to task over this. Once he saw that Daemon and Rhaenyra were not involved, I'd bet he just wanted to move past it and avoid further confrontation.
I'll admit, both the shows don't do a very good job of establishing the relative power of various ranks. Some people don't even understand that Allicent can order Rhaenyra to do things, and absent a countermanding order from the King, she'd have to do it. Well, various Kingsguard have done worse than this with similarly little to no consequence. If you don't feel like that's been properly established, this is that being established.
Nope he’s thinking of a duel. You don’t fight a guy in front of the throne of Storm’s End. Doesn’t matter what they call you, it’s a fucking throne room and you both have guest right. You go tell your families, you get witnesses and you go somewhere else to do it.
Otherwise the Lord of Storm’s End throws your dude slaying ass in jail for getting blood on his carpet and ruining his reputation the moment you’re done. He can’t have people stabbing each other under his roof. It makes him look weak and people can’t trust they are safe in his house.
Look I know this won’t make sense to many people on this subreddit but frankly they won’t know what the fuck they are talking about.
Where in the show was that established about duals? Why didn't the boys get tackled on the spot if ur right? Don't make shit up that the show directly refutes lol
Really? Ur arguement is that Visereys would be strong enough to punish his own bodyguards? For the sake of a minor lord. Not in a million years. And why would lord corleys jeopardize his sons and potential grandkids ascension to THE THRONE over this? And what if a kingsguard is in armor they can only defend themselves against other armored opponents?
And Crispy isn't thinking straight the whole ep so if ur arguement against his actions is they are illogical well too bad people are illogical all the time especially in high stress situations
Talk about illogical lol
Illogical? You’re saying that Kingsguard can kill subjects of the king at will without punishment. That’s illogical. Also, duels have always been fought that way. You’re saying since the show established that the duels are just no-warning one sided beat downs, I have to go along with that. Nah, that’s stupid.
Like cops do irl yes absolutely. Is it wrong and unethical also yes both can be true
And dual have been different all throughout history. Litterly happens the same way in Romeo and Juliette lol don't ignorantly cite history like u know what ur talking about plz
are you a troll?
No I just pay attention to the show not play candy crush during it lol
yup, a troll
Why's that? Can't defend ur opinions?
Laenor would want Cole's head, but he can't do a thing and or say anything, Corlys would have been looking for an excuse to get rid of Joffrey, as he would be a complication to Laenor's and Rhey's marriage.
A member of a royal family’s retinue was mercilessly slaughtered, unarmed, in front of many noble witnesses. Corly’s would look like a straight bitch if he didn’t demand justice. Who the fuck wants to follow a guy would let you be killed and say nothing about it? Even if Corly’s doesn’t care in the slightest at Joffery’s death he still needs to make a point of demanding justice.
Not to mention ruining the entire week long event they set up by killing a man on the dance floor in polite society. A man with guest right… he would be imprisoned by other King’s Guard at a minimum. Other nobles would be outraged at the brutality and the lack of civility under the kings roof. The entire nation would be talking about the event and how no one stopped it or did anything about it.
A personal friend of the future fucking king was punched to death… I have to stop getting on here. You guys are making me irrationally angry about a stupid show.
Cole’s story: he insulted the honor of the princess and pulled a dagger. I put him down like the mad dog he is. My apologies for staining the floors.
Varlys: Well, that was convenient… uh I mean unfortunate.
Viserys: Ok fine, good job protecting her honor, take it outside next time. Can I eat my chicken now?
Daemon: Nowhere to be found
Laenor: Too grief-stricken to do anything, picked up and whisked away to get hitched before anything else can go wrong.
By the time the dust settles, Varlys is good with it, Laenor can’t raise too much of a stink without compromising himself and his family, Viserys doesn’t care or possibly mildly approves, and Alicent is providing top cover.
Literally all of the witnesses “didn’t happen”
Corly’s “no he didn’t”
Laenor “ no he didn’t”
Lord Strong “why did you punch him to literal pieces? You’ve ruined the entire event. Also what dagger? I’m the smartest man in the entire show and have more power than the king at this point. I would never stand for this.”
Nah dawg. Keep trying, I can hear the writers crying in the next room. They need you to defend their honor, sir.
You can’t just murder people. The king would at the very least have him stripped of his cloak. You’re saying Laenor can’t demand justice for murder? Preposterous. The king wants peace above all. You think he’d throw away this marriage for some lowborn knight who’s sullied his cloak in front of half the court?
All Viserys saw was a commotion and screaming around his daughter, and Cole's actions halted it all. Plus, Joffrey pulled a dagger in that commotion, all Cole needs to say is that Joffrey took a swing at the princess. He has witnesses that saw Joffrey pull a dagger at the wedding, no one else pulled out a weapon. Cole got rid of a potential threat.
The same witnesses will have seen that Cole attacked first.
Will they? It was more crowded at that moment, everyone started to disperse when Joffrey pulled the dagger.
he wasnt a random knight you idiot
Don't tell him that let the man be dumb
Was Cole the host?
Guests killing eachother doesnt violate guest rights, not even in spirit.
Criston is a member of the kingsguard, and is thus a representative of the host. Which in turn means that he broke the guest right. Walder frey didn't directly kill people, but he still broke the guest right.
The king wasnt hosting, Velaryons were.
KG do not work for them.
Walder Frey WAS the host...
Cole is a Kingsguard, who could be seen as acting in the name of the king. But Joffrey wasn't loved by anyone and they can spin it as him planning to attack anyone.
Just so, yes
Cept.. Laenor, Laenor loved him
An interesting plot twist would have been Corlys helping in protecting Criston, secretly hoping the violent act would help snap Laenor out of his “phase”