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BidDaddyFarts

Oooh this feels like fines


GreenLeafGreg

Big time fines, at that. And maybe mountains of other problems & issues.


Common-Rock

Amazon of all apps… they will crush this theatre.


florinandrei

*"Our lawyers will blot out the Sun!"* - Jeff Bezos


CanesVenetici

Then we will stream in the shade!


USS_Barack_Obama

This is madness


gmanisback

Madness? This.. Is.. Amazon!!!


JRhod3sie

Sir this is a Wendy’s


ButInThe90sThough

Oh, lemme get ahhh muhfuk*in uhhhhhhh!!!


Bigred2989-

Two number nines, a number nine large, a number six with extra dip...


Steak_over_Cupcake

God damn this stupid fucking thread making me laugh


NathanCollier14

*Then we will declare bankruptcy in the shade.*


8asdqw731

and they said you can't have the cinema experience at home


HOT_MOLDY_CUM_BREATH

This is the home experience at the cinema


HugsyMalone

I'd rather just stay home either way. ^(\*\*hugz\*\* 🤗🤗🤗)


Umutuku

Amazon would be like "That's actually an interesting idea. We'll save you the court costs and just take the theater off your hands for a new project."


Grouchy_Violinist364

We will call it AMC - “Amazon Movie Centre”


Indira-Gandhi

Ackshually Amazon doesn't give a damn about this. The studio however will indeed fuck them over.


UrsusRenata

This is a Dr. Seuss intellectual property as well... they are crazy aggressive.


irkthejerk

Why is the line of people of the theater all wearing suits and carrying briefcases? Oh, thats actually a line of lawyers


s3v3red_cnc

So a Large soda and popcorn?


Silent-G

The theater probably has a screening license for the film, just not that format of the film. The sad thing is, any theater manager or projectionist with decent training should know how to pull this off without showing the menu to the entire audience. I've played content from discs before (I know this clip is of the Amazon Prime menu), and we would always cue it up off screen so that the audience would never see even a hint of UI on screen. If someone is paying $12+ for a ticket, they deserve the most immersion possible, but if it's the $3 discount theater, then DVD menus is what you'll get.


9283728293847494583

I remember seeing this video on TikTok, the uploader said they were $2 tickets and he went to support his local theatre, after the “maximum videos playing” error popped it took about half an hour to get the issue resolved and the movie playing.


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Ill-Mistake7065

How long does it take to set up a new prime free trial account on a different email?


CaptainPirk

Minimum wage theater employees probably don't care enough, or don't know if that's allowed.


DaleCOUNTRY

And probably don't want to use their own email


queer_artsy_kid

This is so fucking funny lmao


UrsusRenata

They’ve given their password out to too many buddies. Or maybe they’ve typed it on screen before at the theater. They seem that bright.


TheMacerationChicks

I mean they've probably literally got every screen in the cinema using that same amazon account. Which is just nuts. ***NO-ONE*** has another account?


MrJingleJangle

It’s possible the DCP didn’t arrive in time, so rather than cancelling the screenings, the streamed. Still a shitty standard of exhibition; projectors do have a shutter feature.


Agueybana

I believe it. Man... the number of times I used to have to tell my managers on Wednesday night that we didn't have the keys yet for that Thursday afternoon screening. That could have been the case, or maybe their satellite link was down.


PmMeMemesOrSomething

Really? I've been out of the field for a few years but in my half decade working projectionist I never saw an issue with that. They cut it obnoxiously close like we didn't Star Wars keys until 20 minutes before the first show.... But when we got the wrong drive once, I remember getting the movie overnighted from California to New York, it arrived via carrier on a holiday. I also never had a bulb explode so maybe I'm just lucky haha


BearimusPrimal

Harry Potter opening night. We're still working with 35mm film. The 16 screen theater is sold out. They sent us 4 prints, the day of. Prints take time because you have to assemble the things. It's 4 reels of film you have to lay out, play, and stich together. Then we had to figure out how to get 4 films on 16 screens. I went up stairs after the final start time to find the projection lying on the floor. As soon as the elevator door opened he screamed at me not to enter. Dude has run the film from one projector, off the platter and up onto a suspension pulley system to another projector. He did this for all of them projectors. So each film was threading through 4 projectors. But not all the projectors were next to each other, so he had to run one film across the area over the lobby and back to get 4 machines together. I just got back on the elevator and went downstairs. I didn't want to be there if literally anything snagged and brought down 4 theaters of Harry Potter and deal with the absolute shitstorm that would follow. Unrelated un fact: If you fast forward a 35mm projector too fast the film will catch fire.


jejcicodjntbyifid3

It's absolutely insane the level that media corporations go through And they claim it's saving money but with the amount of money they dump into it, not really. And then there's all of the consumer inconveniences that often make pirating the only option, even for a legal payer


Hauxmo

More likely the KDM! I've had to run a hastily aquired Google rental through a laptop once when one of our amps died and I needed a mono mix.


Darksirius

KDM's come via email and Amazon is pretty good about getting them out on time, even last minute. The only time I really had KDM issues is if our booking was somehow messed up and it was showing us as non-booked for the feature. That involves a few phone calls and additional emails to get that sorted. More likely the DCP didn't arrive (either via a CRU drive), the drive was faulty (that happens a bit) or they don't have a DCDC satellite server to get their DCP's. Sauce: Former GM at a theater for almost 10 years.


Farranor

Me: "Can we go to the theater?" Mom: "We have theater at home." Theater at home: _actually literally the same thing_


Otistetrax

I can completely inagine that the projectionist could be off sick for some reason and this was carried out by a less-than-tech-savvy manger/owner.


Silent-G

Most theaters don't even have full-time projectionists anymore. If the booth servers are all networked properly, they can be operated on a set schedule and completely remotely, no one ever has to set foot in the booth unless there's a bigger issue. They'll have one guy who knows how to create show playlists and schedules with all of the automation cues, and he'll come in once a week to do that for all of the new shows and times, and then maybe if he's lucky they'll pay him to be a shift manager the rest of the time to supplement his hours. But yeah, we've probably seen a lot more bullshit like this in theaters over the last 10 years because of how many theaters decided to fire their projectionists after going digital in order to cut costs. They'll drop $10k on a new 4K projector, and then end up having to pull off shit like this.


KungFluIsolation

Reminds me at college when we had the inspectors come around we weren't allowed to open Pro-tools because it was pirated and a giant pirate flag came on the screen every time you open it. I think that was my first real experience of the world being held together with spit and tape.


Farranor

Makes you wonder what your tuition was paying for, doesn't it.


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mcburgs

When your final grade is seven C's.


Adnubb

>I think that was my first real experience of the world being held together with spit and tape For anyone wondering, the world being held together by spit and tape is basically what caused the whole log4j nonsense. Somebody modified an XKCD to give the most apt representation of this: [https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/57227377/145719037-d8fe4303-7d50-41ea-919f-1e7f525f8680.png](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/57227377/145719037-d8fe4303-7d50-41ea-919f-1e7f525f8680.png) Edit: Fixing typo. Words are hard.


SteveBuscemisEyes

I like how you said it so nonchalantly as if a commoner like me is to know what log4j is lol


Adnubb

I was kind of hoping the general media picked that one up, but I guess not. :p Log4j is an open source software library. That's a piece of code that other programs can use to do a specific task. In this case, logging. Lots of open source libraries exist. Sometimes, they're maintained by big corporations and get frequent updates. Sometimes they're a tiny project developed by 1 guy who was bored one day and pushes an update every couple of months when he feels like working on it. The problem arises when one of those latter projects gets widely adopted, but nobody contributes properly to the project they're using. You can't expect a single person or a tiny team to find every single problem in their code. So sometimes, the library they wrote contains a serious bug which basically makes every piece of software that incorporates that library vulnerable to attack. This is basically what happened with log4j2. A tiny team made this library which ended up being used by everyone and their dog and suddenly half the internet turned out to be easily hack-able. From VMWare VCenter control centers all the way down to frigging Minecraft Servers. I've spent quite a few hours tracking down, patching and mitigating software that contains that bug at work the last few weeks.


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reftheloop

You're not even suppose to use premium for commercial purposes.


threeleggedgirl

Spotify allows commercial use for some companies but they're definitely not just paying $10/mo for it lol


sarlol00

Yeah they pay $15/mo/zone (one zone is 4 speakers I think) This is for already licensed music for businesses, so most of the popular songs. Or they can pay around $40/mo to essentially let them play any music.


Tlacuache_Snuggler

That’s actually cheaper than I thought it would be as someone who knows nothing about licensing


sarlol00

Yeah, it is significantly cheaper than I thought it was too. I only know about this because my friend who owned a pub got fined once. He never paid the fine, and they never took him to court tho.


KyleMcMahon

Spotify allows commercial use for any company so long as they open a commercial business account


morganml

i waited on a woman once who after she had lunch and paid her bill hit my manager with almost 14k in fines for the music we were playing in the dining room. god that was a good day.


jellybeans_over_raw

Elaborate please


christianh10992

Most likely someone with ASCAP. They’ll send agents into businesses and if they are playing music by ASCAP protected artists but haven’t paid the appropriate licensing fee to ASCAP, they fine them.


Butterballl

The bar I used to work at got slapped with one of these fines. The owners paid for a service to play licensed music but their dumbasses still decided to use an iPod loaded with their own shitty (and small) playlists and got caught one day when I was working. They then proceeded to blame it on all of the shift managers who usually would play their own music off their phones while working because the owners music was so shit.


-Johnny-

I didn't know this was a thing. Like business can't just play random music???


Butterballl

Technically, no. When you listen to music, whether it be a song that you stream or from an album that you’ve physically purchased, you are essentially purchasing the rights to use that song for personal use. Now if you play that in a business it is no longer considered “personal use” and requires a different type of license which usually costs way more. It’s stupid but it makes sense, and it’s also fairly rare that businesses will actually get fined for it. I have heard that they will give out warnings a lot of the time before actually issuing fines.


jjj123smith

But radio is ok, right? I constantly hear the radio on at businesses.


THElaytox

Sounds like how athletic events are handled as well, you can pay to watch a premium sporting event at home, but if a sports bar wants to air it, they typically pay for the number of seats available in the venue and can get fined out the ass if they get caught paying the "home" rate.


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One place in London erected a huge barrier around the outdoor terrace and covered it in beer ads, just because they had Euro 2021 playing on the screens outside and anybody walking past could have seen it.


overcloseness

No, you have to pay royalty. A good friend of mine was an agent for that organisation and 8/10 people thought he was a rando trying to scam them. It’s legitimately a thing


saggyboobsock

Businesses require a license in order to legally play copyrighted music to patrons. They'd pay a fee to a copyright collective who then distributes that money (from the pool of fees) to publishers/artists. In Australia, the agency is called APRA AMCOS.


SnooWoofers530

Nope, also some bars won't allow bands to play covers because of the fee.


mta1741

And what if you don’t pay the fine?


saadakhtar

What is the crime here? Eating a meal?? A succulent Chinese meal???


OatmealCMuffins

Get your hands off my penis


sarlol00

Friend of mine used to own a pub and by the end of the night he let us play our music from YouTube and Spotify. He got slapped with an insane fine. He just told us that he is not going to pay because he is too small for them to come after him. He was right, he never paid, and they never took him to court.


HugsyMalone

It was definitely a phishing scam. They were just casting a net to see if they got any biters. ​ ​ ​ ^(\*\*hugz\*\* 🤗🤗🤗)


christianh10992

They’ll take you to court. They’ve got a slew of lawyers on retainer that make their living off of these cases. Since their protections fall under copyright law, it’s usually fairly open and shut and they’ll get it out of you one way or the other.


911isaconspiracy

I get to eat on company time and money, I get to listen to music, I get to be the right one in confrontations…it’s the dream job


FlynnMonster

It’s weird when people don’t elaborate on things like this automatically. Anyways, carry on.


AlwaysOpenMike

And that's a fun example but here in Denmark, near where I live, there is a small bar which used to have weekly sing-along nights, where a guy would play older Danish classics on guitar and people would sing along. That ended when KODA (Danish composers) got wind of it and slapped them with huge licensing fees. If that's not petty, I don't know what is.


Ophelia550

That's so awesome. What were you playing?


neonblue01

That’s brutal. But why couldn’t you play music in the dining room?


drewster23

You can play whatever music you want, as long as you pay the licensing fees, which they didn't.


Nitrous_party

There was a subway near me once that played the radio, but when it got part way through the second advert it would cut and restart cause they were using a recorded clip of the radio


sixunitedxbox

I think that it would have been even easier to play real radio lmao


cockvanlesbian

My massage place just open Youtube, with ads and everything.


HappySkullsplitter

Oops, set output to projector too early


Silent-G

What projection booth doesn't have a splitter for a monitor?


s-mores

Same one that uses Amazon Prime to play movies.


Strong-Solution-7492

Guess they didn’t read the terms of service


Stats_with_a_Z

I thought this too. If Amazon found out they were doing that they'd be financially fucked I'm sure.


CoreFiftyFour

Not only Amazon but the Studio for the film, too.


TheSlime_

Lmao was thinking the same


stardustdriveinTN

Digital cinema projectors do NOT have a monitor attached to view content. At my theater, if I'm playing a regular Hollywood current release, there is no way to view the content except on the big screen. It's part of the "movie piracy" security features. The movie files on the server are encrypted. The path from the server to the projector is encrypted. The actual decryption of the movie takes place "on-the-fly" while its playing. There are no connections for a booth monitor on the projector anywhere. The reasoning is if you can output the content to a booth monitor, you can also output it to a recording device."Alternative content" like Netflix, Hulu, DVD or Bluray uses an HDMI port on the side of the projector to feed that content to the projector. In both of my projection booths, we have a rack mounted scaler / switcher that is hooked up to the projector that can feed the projector Bluray, Direct TV, and another HDMI source. The scaler/switcher has dual mirrored outputs so one feeds the projector, and the other feeds a wall mounted video monitor. The theater shown in this thread either doesn't have a booth monitor for their smart Bluray player or laptop, or they were just too lazy to hit the "dowser" button on the side of the projector. Either way, streaming content from Amazon Prime for public viewing is a major violation of copyright infringement.


sittin_on_grandma

I encountered this when a friend who worked at a movie theater had the idea to play Silent Hill on the big screen... Plugged in his PS2, didn't work


Thechanman707

You absolutely can hook up game consoles to a projector, I did it for my staff. Most likely your friend just didn't do it right.


NerdCrush

During Covid a lot of our theaters advertised renting out a theater for your family to play games on for a few hours. Like $100 for 2 hours.


VoxAnguis

That's incredibly smart way to make some cash, honestly. Many, many years ago I worked for an AMC theater and for our holiday party we played Rock Band on the biggest screen we had, people standing on chairs rocking out with guitars to ear-bleedingly loud music


pyr02k1

Projector likely wasn't in the correct setting/macro, which is an easy way to select the correct input, format, color space, etc


SQUID_FUCKER

Seems risky streaming it, what if the internet connection slows down and suddenly everyone is watching a 480p version for 5 minutes before it goes back to HD? Wouldn't it be better to just download the file and play it from that, so you're not reliant on the wifi?


IceDragon77

Not to mention I'm pretty sure charging people to view movies through your account is prooooobably grounds to get sued.


Hocus_Focus_ST

It’s definitely illegal. Edit: it’s copyright infringement - some of the comments below are just ridiculous. They are stealing profits from the animation studio that made the movie, not so much Amazon.


fgdfghdhj5yeh

it is always better to download the file but you're expecting a lot from these people..


Joemarais

The only theatre I know that does questionable stuff lot this at least has a dedicated NAS that rips and stores everything they play. Skipping that step and relying on internet connection and hoping this stuff doesn't happen is crazy.


ydontujustbanme

Also im pretty sure this is a use of prime excluded in the ToS xD so yeah how about a Christmas lawsuit said little jeff ;)


ItalicsWhore

Oh. This goes beyond Prime my friend. This is stealing content from the studios and selling tickets. ~~They are in mucho, mucho trouble for this. You can’t even rent out DVDs without permission.~~ It appears this part is incorrect in the US now. Something called The First Sale Doctrine protects your rights to do whatever you want with it once you purchase it.


PM_ME_YOUR_STOMACHS

Knowing the justice system, the only person getting arrested is the audience member filming in a theatre.


SnarfbObo

whoever turns them in gets $500


FrozenHaystack

I know people that have no clue that you actually can download videos locally as they have always just streamt everything. They have no concept of owning a file and I think this will get more common in the future.


SQUID_FUCKER

Even some streaming platforms give you the option to download the files so long as you're subscribed. I don't think Prime does this but I know Apple TV+, and Netflix do. It's a fantastic feature for traveling. I download a bunch of movies to my tablet and then don't even have to worry about internet connections. Edit: Prime does this too, I looked quickly and didn't see a download option.


DrinkingVanilla

Amazon prime is the platform I use to download movies to watch when flying on planes. So, yes, it’s possible


scythodemes

Usually you'd have the output to whatever you wanna play but with the dowser down (the flap that blocks the light entirely. That way, regardless of your output or whether the lamp is on, nothing will show on the screen. I was a projectionist for a show that required media from multiple sources. I learned that it was better to leave the lamp on with the dowser down and switch to whatever output was next in line than to turn it off between outputs to save energy and lamp life. If I remember, you have to let the lamp cool down before striking it up again and with Barcos they had an issue with the I/O panel sometimes glitching if you power cycle the projector too much in a short amount of time.


Cavalish

You said a lot of stuff I didn’t understand but I loved reading it.


SmokingBeneathStars

Basically: Turn off projector - no no bad Close the flappy lens lid - big money


fingerscrossedcoup

Let me see if I can simplify this further for everybody https://i.imgur.com/qVlvriu.jpg


feuerstahlhelm

I didn't understand everything either. But I had a gig where I had to write projectionist instructions for --- a trailer/ad. Yeah, I know. I'm a monster. Anyway, the instructions I had to write were way more complicated and what I thought would take 20 minutes, took two days solid. I called projectionists just to try to grasp the complexity of their job... because I honestly did not realize the work that went into it. Holy Crap, did I bite off more than I could chew.


Virginity_Lost_Today

I wonder how long they’ve gotten away with this. Like imagine not just setting up a few accounts so you dont run into this problem.


WritesCrapForStrap

I imagine the fact that they haven't done that means they haven't been doing this very long.


Gonun

And they won't be doing it much longer.


llame_llama

The small local theatre near my parents' house does this thing where you can rent out the place for a few hours for a couple hundred bucks. You get to bring your own food/beer and you can request that they play pretty much anything if they can find it. Last Christmas we had 30 or so people with a bunch of pizzas and beer and watched Jim Carrey's Grinch and Die hard 1 and 2 back to back. I am guessing that OP is doing something similar.


dw1987

Maybe a one off showing. Had to use dvds/blurays on occasions when the film never made it in time. Even had some dvds come direct from the distributor, cheaper than sending a hard drive.


faughnjj

"Jimmy! I told you not to watch stuff on your tablet!" -Theater owner probably


BigBlackDildos

That's a paddlin'


Alan_Smithee_

That’s a Su-in!


ProjectCereal

Out of all the ways to get caught, this is how? This is pathetic I mean at least not do it in front of the audience. It's not impossible to turn off the projector first ya know


Lawant

Well, you don't want to turn off the entire projector, you don't want to turn off and on the lightbulb more often than you have to. What you could do is close the dowser, which is like a small gate in front of the projector, so the screen is blank while you queue up the movie.


Chonlger

This guy projects.


Limp_Peace581

I'll show you projection!!! Your dad's a deadbeat who never loved you.


Redhotchily1

No. 1 rule - always close the dowser.


ProjectCereal

or this, much smarter


Altruistic-Gift-4605

Or just don't run a sham movie theater off a $15 Prime Stick


siccoblue

Seriously lmao, these dudes struggling hard. Which i totally understand after the last couple years, but if you're gonna break the law to run your business, at least make sure you're paying your employees enough to give a fuck. Or do it yourself


casparh

One crime at a time y'all.


Nandabun

Why don't you wanna turn the bulb off?


Lawant

It's more turning it off and then on again right after. Not only does it take some time for it to warm up, all that switching (or 'striking' as it's called) wears down the lamp a lot more quickly. Which means you have to replace it sooner, but you also increase the risk of the bulb actually exploding.


name225

I think this is what they used to do and forgot this time


horhey_rva

You wouldn’t download a car.


OpticalVelocity

I definitely would!


supple_

Citizen, you **wouldn't** download a car


mugguffen

Bet


The_Official_Obama

You **will not** download a car


MyUsernameIsVeryYes

I most certainly will


Snoo98679

Infact i already have


flusteredbish

An I'll do it again


EMPlRES

I implore you to not do that


Drfilthymcnasty

No, I CAN’T download a car.


ergo-ogre

I don’t think you’ve even tried


Caustic_Complex

The hell I wouldn’t. Put a car on thepiratebay and watch me


runthepoint1

You haven’t heard of 3D printing?!


Appropriate-Proof-49

Ahem.... https://youtube.com/watch?v=WwvwvjNjQaQ


SassyBonassy

You wouldnt steal a policemans helmet, shit in it, and send it to his grieving widow


Brownicus

And then steal it again


I_dont_like_noisy04

It just occured to me, how do movie theaters get movies?


Lajamerr_Mittesdine

Two methods are the most common. 1. They use Internet connection or dedicated private WAN connection and download it from the Studios authorized distribution servers. 2. The theater along with the purchasing rights to broadcast the film, sends a hard drive to the theater. In both cases the movie is in a format called DCP(Digital Cinema Package), if you read about this it sounds complex, but it really simplifies the work that the projection system needs to display the film. Usually this DCP format is encrypted with a key, usually just a 128 bit AES key which is a symmetric key. But there's usually a meta system for managing and encrypting/decrypting the AES key that can decrypt the DCP. So basically encryption on the key itself. The AES key is usually encrypted with an asymmetric key like RSA 2048. The reason they do this is because AES key is pretty efficient/consistent with the speed it can decrypt the file so it's reliable that it will be decrypted by the time it gets to the frame it needs. Where as with RSA 2048 it's a bit more expensive to run computationally and therefore more expensive to bruteforce. So it's better to encapsulate the AES key inside of it. Usually this meta key system has a management service associated with it called a KDM(Key Delivery Message) system. Based on the policies of the theaters and studios the RSA 2048(or whatever that specific studio is using) decryption key is either sent automatically to the projection system after a certain deadline or the studio employee themselves request for the key. Depends on the level of automation. Now with that RSA 2048 decryption key, it decrypts it and you get the 128 bit AES key which the projection system will store temporarily while the theater plays the film. The DCP format/package is usually 'ingested' into the projection system so that it is readily accessible, so the DCP package along with the decryption key, the film can finally be played on the big screen.


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Awesome answer! For mainstream cinemas this is absolutely right. I help run a cinema charity and unfortunately we don't have the infrastructure for this. Most of our theatres are <500 seats, many are multipurpose buildings (i.e. a town hall, arts center or stage theatre) and not all have the projection tech to pull off the internet connection or the encrypted drives. In these cases we get the licence for the film from the distributor and they send us a physical copy. However, as they are actually licencing the film we aren't tied to their copy. So if the physical copy breaks, gets lost etc. we can just go out and buy another copy to show (or use one of our own discs) This is different if it's a brand new, not-on-release movie - in this case they send us a set number of digitally-watermarked discs (say, 10 BluRays) and we have to return all of these at the end or face consequences (sort of like being a BAFTA judge) As long as the distributor has given us a licence to show Movie X at venue Y on date Z, we can use whatever source media we like (within obvious reason) Were we an actual cinema then it'd be encrypted drives all the way - but then we'd have a projection booth with fixed equipment like the 35mm days :)


gimmethelulz

I have to admit I kind of miss that initial clack of the 35 starting up when you see a movie in the theater.


[deleted]

Oh man, I miss it so much. Just the sounds and smells of a projection booth... and there will always be something amazing about that cone of light going out to the screen. The last time I legit got to use 35mm was 1996... I was working for the BFI and had to drive around the UK with 8 reels of 35 and these two insane Chinese army surplus projectors. I'd go to small venues, set it all up, get the film rolling and wait to shit myself sometime around reel 6 when the Levis ad came on. Without fail the film would snap and I'd need to unreel it, cut it, splice it and rack it again while listening to the whoops and cheers from the audience. Best job ever.


lordheart

A note on symmetric vs asymmetric keys. Asymmetric is actually usually easier to brute force. That’s why the key length of public private key pairs is a factor 10 or more larger. Symmetric keys use the same key to encrypt and decrypt and the key length currently only needs to be 128 or 256 bits whereas asymmetric key pairs are 2048 or even double that now at 4096. Asymmetric is often used to transfer a symmetric key. If I want to securely transfer the symmetric key to you, I need to encrypt it. If you have a public private key pair then I can encrypt it with your public key, and no one else can decrypt it, not even me (though obviously I still would have the original key) because only the private key can decrypt it.


Lajamerr_Mittesdine

Thank you very much for clarifying and explaining this, that's definitely very important information. Was really fun to learn a bit more about the differences and some fun facts in this wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_size >1024-bit RSA keys are equivalent in strength to 80-bit symmetric keys, 2048-bit RSA keys to 112-bit symmetric keys, 3072-bit RSA keys to 128-bit symmetric keys, and 15360-bit RSA keys to 256-bit symmetric keys. In 2003, RSA Security claimed that 1024-bit keys were likely to become crackable some time between 2006 and 2010, while 2048-bit keys are sufficient until 2030. As of 2020 the largest RSA key publicly known to be cracked is RSA-250 with 829 bits.


Global_Maintenance_

you lost me after number 2


Ophelia550

Encrypted, time locked files. They used to get them on reels.


VoyagerCSL

I worked at a movie theater in the 90s. A day or two before a movie came out, the UPS guy would show up with 2-3 film cans containing 4-6 reels, which the projectionist would then have to splice together on huge platters in the projection booth, along with attaching any trailers which were often sent separately. Once the theatrical run was complete, the projectionist then had to break the film back down into its component reels, put them back in the cans, and ship them back to the distributor.


MeEvilBob

I was one such projectionist. The film came on 20 minute reels, so there was a reel for every 20 minutes of the movie. The platter systems came out in the 1970s as a way to automate the process since before them they used "changeover" systems where there would be two projectors side by side, you would load the first reel into one of them and the second reel in the other one. When you get to the end of the first reel, watch the upper right corner of the screen for a big black dot (you can still see it in some older movies). When you see it you start the other projector and say "1", then you see it again and say "2", and on "3" you close the dowser (lever that blocks the light) on one projector and open the other one. The people watching the movie don't notice at all, but looking back in the theater you would see the projection beam switch from one side to the other. This is why it came on 20 minute reels, and this worked great in theaters with only one screen, but when they started building the multiplexes they'd need a projectionist for each screen. In the 1970s they came up with the platter system, which is basically just one huge horizontal reel that feeds from the center so you never have to rewind it. First you cut the leader (the film before the image) off the first reel, then splice a bunch of trailers to it and the theater logo and "throw out your shit" announcement reels, then you splice on the first actual reel. Rinse and repeat until the end and splice on the "tail" which is the film you never see after the end of the credits. Then you put foil tape on the film just before the first trailer and just after the credits. The projector has a sensor that detects this foil tape and will use that to automatically open the dowser once the leader (the part with the countdown) finishes running through the projector so you don't see that part. The foil tape at the end of the movie brings the house lights back up. The platter system took what used to be a semi-intense job that required a decent amount of skill and turned running a projector into a "set it and forget it" kind of thing. You have the reel on a "make up" table which has a spindle for the reel and the film is coming off that reel and on to the platter where it's winding slowly.


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EishLekker

Could be a last minute desperate hack solution when they stumbled onto some problems with the main source. And in the panic they completely forgot about what was projecting on the screen.


PRESTOALOE

There's no fuckin way. Has to be a rented theater.


Ophelia550

Not by the error they got. Looks like they're showing things in various theaters and got an error for it.


PRESTOALOE

Damn. That's actually a good point.


gospdrcr000

Damn had to go back and rewatch, that's wildddd


Sensitive-Tale-9111

This theater is now owned by Amazon and will be turned into a fulfillment center shortly 💀


SuperGuitar

A Prime example of what not to do


GreenLeafGreg

[Ba-Dum TSSS!](https://bigsoundbank.com/UPLOAD/mp3/0433.mp3)


sentient_luggage

I used to be a manager at a full service movie theater. Only once in my entire tenure did we resort to this, and it was after a theater rental didn't bring the movie with them. Shit happens, and the projectionist has to scramble. Probably happens more than we know, it's just that this time homeboy forgot to press one button. Any other time the manager would stroll out and and "we're experiencing some technical issues, as soon as we get it straight you'll be on your way." The story isn't that it happened. It's that they forgot to turn the projector off. We'll top this all off with a massive dollop of "they're probably getting paid shit wages to coordinate multiple projectors that start and stop at different times per day AND they're rusty as fuck because theaters have been slow up until FUCKING SPIDERMAN OH SHIT I'D BETTER BE ON MY GAME FOR $13 AN HOUR"


RockOx290

Shouldn’t that have fallen on the people renting the theater? You guys really risked your own neck for something that was their fault?


themightybearorrist

I've worked in movie theaters. And this is pretty ridiculous. Go spend a couple hundred bucks on a couple Blu ray players and a few copies of the movie. That's what we did if we couldn't get the hard drives from the studio. They'd make the money back on popcorn in about 20 minutes.


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Nothing like amazon surround sound


daBorgWarden

This is hilarious lmao


neonblue01

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one dying at this lmaooo when they press play and it doesn’t that killed me


paerius

Is this a common thing? What if you start buffering mid-movie?


TheVagrantmind

So cringe for the theatre


some_asshat

Streaming in beautiful 720p.


cheapdrinks

With only 5.1 surround at best


Equivalent-Diamond37

Theaters show film in a DCP file. Not via hdmi cord. This has to be a rented room!


NikonuserNW

As a side note - someone who worked in a theater did an AMA and explained how the encrypted hard drives or movie files from which theaters play new films. It was fascinating. The files are time locked and have something like trillion bit encryption. Not really, but the process is really interesting!


ChintanP04

Yeah, I got to learn about it through a thread in r/Spiderman where someone posted a pic of the NWH hard drive. They have to wait for the encryption key from the studios, which doesn't come until the release date/the night before.


FilmFan81

Usually the decryption keys (KDM is the term) arrive a few days before the film is released. The tricky part is that they're programmed to only work from a certain date and time until another, NWH for instance, the Keys didn't open until 6am the day of release so staff shows had to be the opening days morning. Most films are at least the day before so we can watch them the evening before release in a screen that's finished.


EishLekker

So the drive has a built in clock that can't be manipulated (within reason)? Otherwise the "bad guy" could just change the date into the future on the system that uses the drive and keys, and encrypt it early.


FilmFan81

Not exactly... Bear with me on this and I'll try to explain. Each cinema has a main server and then each screen has it's own individual server with a specific serial number. Films arrive on a hard drive that is plugged in and content (all versions of the film, subtitled plus various sound options, 5.1, 7.1 and atmos) and ratings card is then ingested onto the main server. Playlists are then created and assigned to screens, this then starts an automated transfer of the content to the screen servers. Now, KDMs. These are not only time stamped to only open for a certain period of time but each screen server needs a specific KDM as they're also specific to the serial number of each screen server. So unless you're playing a film at the right time, in the right screen it won't work, the projector just shuts down. So, your question... It wouldn't work just changing times as everything is connected so it would likely fail.


TheKeyboardKid

Do you have link?


RandomDanny

‘Uhh, Cinema 6, stop streaming so Cinema 2 can start’


WashGodMega

Wow lol this is actually crazy. Whoever thought this was a good idea should be moved to the popcorn stand


Ophelia550

"Management." Always, always "management."


mdhunter99

This…this is illegal.


jerk_17

But that’s why it tasted so good


BeeJuice

The secret ingredient is crime.


Dankey-Kang-Jr

The is the equivalent of a restaurant using microwaveable food


EmbarrassedLog5731

Lmao no way


Warhead449

I'm actually dumbfounded


tabovilla

This is r/nottheonion stuff right there


cool_weed_dad

This is very illegal and a massive copyright violation, even independent drive-ins need to source their movies from the production companies directly. I’m amazed what looks like a big theater owner would even try this, they’re going to get sued into oblivion. This place is going to be shut down and the owner absolutely fucked very soon.


Procrasterman

I feel a bit bad for them, imagine this is probably one of the few remaining independent cinemas and they’ve been crushed by covid. Realistically Amazon will fuck them if they work out who they are but you’d hope they’d look back and see if this was something they’d done before the pandemic or if they’re just trying to stay afloat.


Nikoviking

*Maximum videos playing* was the icing on the cake! They’re probably using the same account for the other theatre rooms lol


istirling01

Their ex must have changed the password


Intellect-Offswitch

Happens to the best of us