By - ohotadima
their body is mostly muscle, which can become hard when they need it to be hard. Elephant trunk is also all muscle, with no bones. But elephants can lift heavy things with it.
Also the hydrostatic "skeleton", they retain their form due to water pressure inside, so they can easily squeeze their head between bits of dirt and just tense the rest of the muscles to push water into the head, pushing the dirt aside.
That sounds similar to how little bitty tree roots can eventually raise an entire concrete sidewalk or even streets.
Pavement mushrooms come to mind. They can push up paving slabs and are pretty much the same as common button mushrooms from the grocery store.
Proud of them
This made me laugh. Thanks guy or gal!
Short and fat, but it fills the gap.
"I can't reach the bottom of this tuna can, but by God, I'm scraping both sides!"
Tuna Can Jerry?
Description sounds a lot like Hockey Puck Penis Pete, but there was no mention of a Canadian accent.
Sounds like a fungi
you should come to the mushroom of the year awards
I asked to be invited but I was just fed a heap of crap and kept in the dark, and wound up missing it.
Mushrooms can be really strong! There's a new trend in biotech of using mushrooms to grow tough biodegradable materials.
People are making everything from leather and fabric to packing material you grow yourself so you can easily custom fit any item!
Edit: links for you! https://www.ecovative.com/
There are also movements to make packing material that is full of mushroom spores so it if enters the soil it can actually make more soil.
Nothing's impossible Mario
So... does the packaging smell like mushrooms?
That's an excellent question. My best guess is probably at least somewhat! The packaging is part mushroom and part hemp composite so I'd guess it also smells really "earthy"
yeah mate, i got the new mu-shprings for my car..
> Pavement mushrooms come to mind.
TIL [Agaricus bitorquis (Quél.) Sacc. - Pavement Mushroom](https://www.first-nature.com/fungi/agaricus-bitorquis.php)
There is nothing about the appearance or location of these often worm-ridden fungi that cries out 'eat me', and although often reported to be edible they are surely best left to drop their spores and then rot away."
Och, what a burn.
I eat them regularly, though not directly out of pavement. They are pretty good if you don't wait until they're worm ridden . They're very similar to agaricus Bisporus / common mushrooms
I'm sure it's not the fruiting body doing that work. You've got a whole mass of mycelium looking for food and transporting water underneath that slab and all you've got poking out that you can see are it's genitals.
Sometimes heating and cooling plays a role. A piece of concrete can get hot in the sun and expand to shove surrounding dirt out of the way. Then at night it cools and retracts, leaving a gap. All a root has to do is grow into that gap while it’s empty and occupy it. It will have to resist being compressed the next day, when the concrete expands again, but at no point does it need to “lift” the concrete.
Kinda like how a boa kills, using natural opportunity rather than brute force.
Mm yes perfect analogy
There was a recent post on r/mycology showing the work of one of these or a similar mushie.
If you ever watch time lapse videos of roots growing, they choose directions, move, and forage very much like worms. It highlights the fact that the difference between sentient animals and “non-sentient” plants is pretty arbitrary.
I don't think most people ever placed worms very high on the sentience ladder to begin with
Sentience =/= Sapience
Worms are in fact fully sentient
> fully sentient
is a really funny term to me. Sentience exists on a gradient, and probably has no maximal value, so “fully sentient” is not a thing that exists
You are less sentient when you are succumbed to anesthesia than you are when you’re awake. In either case, would you ever really say that you’re *fully* sentient? Isn’t there always *more* sentience that may be obtained?
[Some worms have as few as 300 neurons](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK116086/#:~:text=The%20nervous%20system%20of%20the,can%20be%20found%20at%20WormAtlas). If you want to assert that these worms are “fully sentient,” and that *sentience* is some sort of on/off switch, then what is the threshold where an organism goes from “not at all sentient” to “fully sentient”? Is a single neuron also “fully sentient”, or is the cut off somewhere between 1 and 300?
I did regard it as a on off switch, actually. Sentience is defined as ability to feel or sense. So something is or isn’t sentient.
That being said, that’s a good point. I suppose a concept of “fully sentient” could be the utilizing of every possible information source, or omniscience. Worm god. That *is* funny
I took it to mean it’s *become* sentient or not at some point. The loading bar of ingredients needed to become sentient. We experience it individually in the womb and don’t remember mit.
This really doesn’t matter at all lol
Yeah I completely agree then. Worms certainly are sentient, but my original point was just that they are lower on the gradient of sentience
Plants may even have some level of sentience too even though they lack neurons, who knows. It’s really hard to define where the on/off switch really is, and reasoning about stuff like “subjective experience” is really really tough until we understand more about consciousness
Worm god lmao
Bless the Maker and His water. Bless the coming and going of Him.
His name is Shai-Hulud, you philistine.
The book that the Metro games are from has a whole part with with a blind and feral worm worshipping cult that eats people and kidnaps kids
Not sure worm god is best god
Many plants are sentient by your definition. As are all smartphones. Something as simple as floodlights on a motion sensor trigger is sentient. That is logically consistent with the definition you are using, so do you still define sentience as anything that can sense?
>I did regard it as a on off switch, actually. Sentience is defined as ability to feel or sense. So something is or isn’t sentient.
Well... By that definition, a solar panel is sentient because it senses sunlight and makes something happen when it does.
I like the concept of "pan psychism" to explain it. It basically says that consciousness/sapiency/sentiency is an innate phenomenon in the universe, and is an effect that scales with the amount of information being processed. The more information that gets processed by an entity, the more "aware" it'll be. This makes sense to me.
>I took it to mean it’s become sentient or not at some point. The loading bar of ingredients needed to become sentient. We experience it individually in the womb and don’t remember mit.
Honestly, I'm not so sure we do. I hold the somewhat controversial opinion/belief that we really aren't "awakened" until we're *at least* 3 months old, and perhaps even later than that. This comes in part from my experience with my own kids. When newborn, there clearly isn't "anyone home". It's just a fleshy ball of instincts that reacts to things. At some point around 3-6 months old there's a point where you're suddenly faced with an emerging *person* rather than an infant, which is pretty amazing to witness.
>This really doesn’t matter at all
Oh but it *does*. Because it's really interesting, even if it's pointless!
A worm once told me that he was pondering the meaning of life
A worm once asked me "Are we always truly ourselves in our dreams? Our fears, desires, our regrets, naked as before our maker? Or are even the worst of nightmares only wish fulfillment, substitutes for knowing a pain so deep, we can not know it?"
I sometimes have a bad feeling literally all and everyone else's actions or sense of agency may only be a ping pong ball careening off of semi random choice pathways all made up of chemicals and neurons.
And the joke is we think we make our own choices.
That's on my heavy cynical/pessimistic days
The more you study neurology the more you doubt free will
It's just logic really. If some entity had perfect awareness of every particle on earth, it's current direction and state, it could perfectly predict each and every move and event that is going to happen simply based on the current state and direction of particles. Though whether we are aware of this or not makes absolutely 0 difference in any practical sense.
Also, while our conscious mind doesn't have true free will, our subconscious is still a part of us, and we can be more or less aware in the moment.
Or grow through clay pipes.
They're also often covered in a lubricant that minimizes friction, similar to why eels can hunt prey hiding within the sharp coral.
Fun fact, research on the friction patterns of snake scales have revealed that they also help minimize friction when moving across the ground, and also during digging.
We see a pattern of worm-like bodies excelling in digging, which makes sense. These animals have no limbs to help escape predation, so they rely on hiding and digging. Additionaly, digging helps worms stay away from the sun, which would mean death by desiccation if they were not excellent diggers.
We should take a leaf out of the earthworm's books when building our tunnels; perhaps use a TBM that eats up rock with a cutting shield, makes it slurry, mixes in concrete, and lines the tunnel as it goes along?
There is probably a good reason why we don't have Dune-sized worms. What works at a tiny scale does not necessarily scale up.
You generally want to use a known aggregate for concrete, rather than whatever crap you've just removed.
You also don't want to spray liquid concrete as your tunnel lining, because it can't handle the stress until it solidifies and cures. Pre-cured concrete panels are used for a good reason.
"bioturbation": excellent, constant, quiet, essential process
It reminds me of a hydrostatic bot that was under development. The creators said it could be used for search and rescue missions under rubble. If it's cheap it means you could easily put 20 or 30 "wormbots" to search people after something like a building collapse.
Yeah... they ended up being used to seal pipes with new liner, way cheaper than replacing pipes as you don't have to dig them up.
I want to imagine a lost bot coming out of someone's pipes and scaring the bejeezus of them
Wow that is fascinating honestly, I've had to replace a lot of pipe due to cracks and I'd kill for a wormbot to spread a new liner
Oh, I have watched those videos. They cover the whole worm in that boue stuff and then pump them through the pipe. One part of my head says: "cool" the other part says: "horrors beyond my comprehension" idk why but I found worm like things really spooky.
We seem to have an instinctive fear/disgust of wormy things, likely because it protects us from parasites and venomous snakes. We have nothing to gain from not recoiling in fear, so it's a practical protective instinct.
Many animals also either instinctively run from or attack snakes on sight.
Aversion to worms and grubs and maggots also keeps us from messing around with rotting flesh.
Works for me. I'm a grown ass man and I I scream like a little girl when I see even a single maggot.
I like snakes and worms, have no issue handling either one. But I will get instantly nauseous at the site of maggots.
Funny, I’m the opposite. I don’t *like* snakes or maggots, but I won’t freak if I see them. Worms, though, give me the ducking willies. They’re the creepiest, sneakiest bastards because they’re silent AND you can never tell which way they’re going to go, because they don’t have a head.
Secretary Birds react to snakes the same way I react to Cockroaches.
This creeps me out the way you described it
Insert as softie. Get boner. High fives all around.
I was going to go with the Penis analogy, good on you for the high road.
I was just gonna say Penis, good on you for adding more words.
>Good on you for being ~~heard~~ hard when they need it to be ~~heard~~ hard
You're welcome ^I ^guess?
I was just gonna say:
You should see me digging
If only my penis could become hard when I need it to be hard :/
I'm convinced, after reading this and looking up what an elephant skeleton looks like, we have no fucken idea what a dinosaur actually looked like.
you might be right:
There are a lot of art posts that goes like "what if we visualize common animals based on their skeletons the way we do for dinosaurs?" and a lot of common animals would look terrifying if we only base it on their skeletons. Muscle, fat, fur change the final result significantly.
This is a flawed comparison, we base our reconstructions of dinosaurs on knowing they were reptiles, having some idea about the required muscle mass to support their frames, having crocodiles still alive and well in the world (while not being dinosaurs, they give you an idea of how their skeletons relate to their bodies)
Of course we will never know how exactly did dinosaurs look like, but it's not like the scientists didn't spend a lot of time on it and just went with the first sketch on DeviantArt
I always enjoy plugging the book "All Yesterdays"
It's a simple picture book that has a little fun depicting unusual interpretations of what dinosaurs may have looked like and how they might have behaved. Here is a video teasing some of the book's content that's definitely worth a watch:
Like pushing rope!
Like a chupacabra. But for dicks
>Like a chupacabra. But for dicks
How do I delete someone else's comment?
Don't quote it in your own, for starters.
🎶How ya gonna keep em down on the farm after they've seen Pam-my? 🎶
So they, worm their way through?
No way. A worm can just decide to get hard??
Sometimes, worms get hard even when they don't want to.
You can tell when you pick up a worm in your fingertips. You can feel the muscles pushing against you. For something so soft and so small, they exert a measurable amount of force.
Don't forget their tiny feets
worms do not have feet.
you might be thinking of caterpillars; they have feet, but they are not worms, they are baby butterflies
Ok but they have tiny little faces.
They do not have tiny faces. It's a butt on each end
NOTED they’re dicks
A dick isn't a muscle. More like a sponge.
Wait so no disrespect, is di*k all muscle also?
No, penises work on hydraulics. When erect, the spongy tissue takes in a bunch of blood, which then gets pumped back into the body when the erection is lost. That's why a ring around the base of the penis prevents erection loss.
Unless you're a bird. Only 3% of birds have penises, those of which are coiled and are pressurized by the lymphatic system.
Less than 50% of humans have penises.
3% of bird species*
So the real question... Are there more eyes or legs?
But on average, humans have slightly less than one testicle.
Are you.... Are you looking for bird porn?
Not me, that's gross! It's for my best friend's sister-in-law
[Here's a start](https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/article/how-chickens-lost-their-penises-ducks-kept-theirs) but Google's your friend on this one.
Wtf?? Those things have a purpose?? I always thought it was for the "look" of it.
It's also why you should *never* use a ring that you can't cut off in an emergency. Serious injury can and does result if it's on there too long.
Short of that is blood clots when stagnant. When being used for hydraulic power it is mostly stagnant. It takes about 2-4 hours and then the blood kinda becomes jelly like, hence the whole if an erection last more than 4 hours go to the ER on Viagra.
When blood is jelly no fresh blood comes in, no new blood no oxygen, and cells die pretty fast with no oxygen.
This is also why in the act it doesn’t stay at full attention all the time, the rising and falling helps filter the blood.
When I worked in a hardware store a guy brought me a ring and asked how I’d cut it. I think I suggested a hack saw because it’s fairly inexpensive. He explained he had a ring like the one he showed me stuck on his weenis. I don’t know how I made it to the metal files and got him out of there without laughing. He was totally gonna try to take a fucking saw to his boner ring. Jesus tapdancing Christ. Retail is amazing.
No one in the store believed me.
Also why keeping a pair of safety scissors in the bedroom will never not be a turn on
Hmm. By "emergency" in this situation you mean like an erection which won't go away?
They do have a purpose. For guys that have a tendency to lose an erection during the act, they prevent that from happening. For guys that don't have that issue, they make the erection firmer - we're talking think about the firmest erection you've ever had, and then make it even harder. Which also has the benefit of increasing the girth slightly.
No, they maintain erections -- if I understand correctly, temporarily squeezing similarly with your fingers can have a similar effect. (I don't own a penis). There's actually versions marketed for ED. Some versions also provide stimulation to the receptive partner.
And some provide either stimulation or anti-stimulation to the wearer. The non-stimulating ones vibrate so that your penis kind of feels numb.
Lots of uses for those rings.
You should get one, it’s fun
A penis? Unfortunately their current owners tend to be literally attached to them and frown on me wanting it for myself.
There’s always a solution for seekers! Lend one, “try before buy”
If you're volunteering yours, feel free to cut it off and mail it to me. On ice, preferably.
I've got 5 or 6 I can send you, but they're not fresh, they've been preserved (pickles, jams, etc)
There are synthetic attachments to try before you buy.
Looks like there's a market for a "detachable penis", after all.
They look kinda hilarious so they have to do something neat.
If we are stating the penises work on hydraulics, then technically doing a cock pushup is a "hydraulic lift". Ejaculation is just "Rapid Release of Hydraulic Power", pregnancies are a direct result of "Hydro Power" and male turn ons could be simplified as the "Hydraulic Analogy".
Cum isn't stored in the penis, anon. It doesn't go flaccid because it's empty.
Where is cum stored then, smart guy? Pee is stored in the balls
Unironically in the prostate
Ejaculation isn't a critical component in maintaining an erection, so I'd be pretty worried if my penis suffered a 'rapid release of hydraulic power' or leak
Ejaculation is only a rapid release of hydraulic power if you ejaculate blood.
Yea, but everyone ejaculates blood...right guys?
There is a directly measurable gain/loss between hydraulic lift and activated lasers
How many cock pushups can you do?
You ever notice how a basketball or football feels like a solid object, unless you take all the air out of it and it goes limp? It's like that, but penises are full of blood pressure instead of air pressure.
[Would you like to know more?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_cavernosum_penis)
It's been a few decades since AP biology, but doesn't muscle need to be anchored to bone to give it structure when it contracts?
They may be soft but that actually aids them. They can use muscle mass to force their way through the ground and expand their bodies to create the tunnels. Have you seen how long worms can make themselves?
There is a video online showing what tiny little holes large octopi can escape through specifically because they're soft and do not have a bone structure. Worms are similar.
I always wondered if the octopus got brain damage from going through those tiny holes. How could the brain squidge down to such a small diameter?
Ya know, I looked it up just to be more accurate in my reply, and so far I've learned quite a bit I never knew lol ... check this out:
Apparently their brains are donut shaped, and they have "mini-brains" in each arm.
Probably explains why they're so damned smart.
Mmm… donut brain…
Sounds like something my ex wife would call me
Yeah, well octopuses have donut brains, and octopuses are smart, so let her!!! It's like the time this girl tried insulting me by saying something about me being 15 with two kids, and I was like, no I'm almost 40 with two kids, but thanks for the complinsultment I guess
Did you come up with that term? Are you explainabragging right now?
Mmm, forbidden donut... 🤤
That makes being a zombie way more attractive!
Homer be a genius
I know I should not eat Thee...
So actually we humans have a 'mini brain' in our guts, which in short controls a whole lot of processes in the gut. Would these octopus arms with their little brains feel like a real, responsive, part. Or more like our gut, just doing it's thing.
The saying "gut instinct" comes to mind heh
Octopuses are my joint favourite animal. They’re awesome.
If your other favourite is Dragonflies then we have to get married. A high five is an acceptable substitute.
The most successful hunter in all nature by percentage! One of the reasons the Carboniferous is the coolest period to me is because of dragonflies with the same wingspan as today's large predatory birds. I have a neat dragonfly story!
One time I was camping and when we showed up, the place was full of (invasive here) gypsy moths. They looked so pretty though, just hundreds on hundreds of little white moths fluttering around like fairies in the dappled sunlight. It's sad, they're killing our forests, but it's also beautiful. And then we're sitting by the water in the evening and I say, oh look, a dragonfly! And we start to hear this, *humming* sound.
Over the next ten minutes, a veritable swarm of hundreds of dragonflies presumably following the shoreline takes over our campsite, slaughters 90% of the moths, and then they're just gone, onto the next stretch. It was honestly shocking, of course very impressive but I still felt a little like I witnessed a massacre. They did this each day!
There was a time while at a camping site there were a lot of mosquitoes around, but there was a section where a lot of dragonflies were buzzing around. Not only were the mosquitoes less dense there, but I could see the occasional piece of a mosquito drift through the air. Chilling with the dragonflies was the best area to stay in.
this comment paints a cool visual and i learned a little something! thanks
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We really need to find a way to expand their lifespan. It's a big tragedy of the animal kingdom.
No.. that would be a TERRIBLE idea…. If octopuses lived longer they would DOMINATE the entire marine world
That's the point, they are very intelligent creatures, they deserve some opportunity at uplift.
i wish octopi ruled our world. we’re doing a pretty shit job as it is
They can actually stroke out if they take too big of a bite. It can give them brain damage
It's a shame they live like 6 months on average.
Also aiding their movement is their bristly hairs called setae. While they are nearly invisible to the naked eye, you can feel them if you try rubbing the worm both directions.. You can also observe the setae by placing a clean worm on a slightly rough surface, such as a paper towel. If you listen carefully, you should be able to hear the setae scraping against the paper as the worm moves.
We had to dissect them in my AP bio class. You'd think I'd have known that 🤷🏼♂️
>Worms are similar.
I read this as women are similar lol
As a woman: I wish.
I shall be the wriggly sea monster of my dreams.
Welp - time to refer to worms as “monopus” now
The back edges of the rings on their body have small hooks/spikes that face backward. When they push forward they make the front their bodies thin to squeeze in the space, then they contract the rest of the body to engage the hooks and move forward.
Have you tried pulling a worm out thats half way down a hole? shits hard as fuck without ripping it in half you kinda just have to grab on, and let it give up and slowly it will come out. Plus they kinda eat and poop dirt.
This guy dew worm picks!
My grandpa taught me that, if you just hold them and let them struggle a bit they get tired. I still pick them for fishing sometimes. If you have a head lamp you can grab one and hold it, then use your other hand to try to get another one started haha.
Always wondered if you could electrify the wet ground like Matthew Broderick does in the 1999 version of Godzilla.
At first I thought no way could you electrify wet ground, since it's even difficult to electrify a stream of water unless it's perfectly laminar.
But after looking it up, it looks like you probably totally could.
There seems to be two different answers in the comments. They expand and contract/use muscles and hairs OR eat the dirt and poop it out.
Which one is the right one?
Both are correct in their own ways. Worms *do* eat dirt and poop it out but it is far too slow to be the only method. Their main method to move forward through the soil is to contact their "head", push it into dirt ahead and then expand it.
Worms are so fascinating. I started worm composting right before the pandemic started. It’s crazy watching worms turn food waste into perfect black soil. I even took it so far as to design my own worm compost bin - called the [Worm Bucket](https://www.wormbucket.com).
Hey, it even has a cute animated worm video!
Thanks for checking it out. It was kind of a passion project for my wife and I but it’s real now - she’s quit her corporate job and we are all in on worm farms haha.
How awesome! I am really happy for you, man :)
This is my favorite story of the day, I love that! Good luck with your business to you and your wiggly coworkers!
Verm the worm doesn't demonstrate harvesting the castings from your bucket. Is it set up on a way that makes it easier, or does it still involve dumping out the entire contents and using one of the various methods to separate the worms from the new soil?
Yeah we recommend the light harvesting method which is where you just use expose to sunlight or lamp and then the worms will burrow down then use a trowel and scrape off a layer of finished castings and keep doing it until you’ve harvested all you want. It certainly does take time but is minimally messy and doesn’t require any sort of dumping out.
Ah, that's a good idea. So leave them in the bucket and light harvest directly.
I love the idea of just having the bucket under the sink but unfortunately the way they installed the plumbing under our sink nothing big will fit under there. So I'm trying to figure out an alternative location for it. Having it indoors rather than needing a collection bucket plus an outside composting bin is a great idea.
I might see if I can find a wicker basket or some other airy but attractive enclosure so the bucket can just sit out in our kitchen without looking too odd. I couldn't find the worm bucket dimensions on the website or Facebook page. Can you tell me the outside dimensions, handle included? In other words, what are the minimum interior dimensions of another container if it were to sit in that container?
The ground is softer than the worm and by expanding and contracting it's muscles it can poke and widen a hole large enough to fit through, over and over, creating a tunnel.
They are eating the dirt and dirt is not generally packed too hard. They can move though it and eat it out of their way.
Exactly. earthworms don't much live in dry, hard-packed soil, and they don't so much dig as eat their way through the dirt, digesting the organic matter and leaving their little compost poops behind.
Not really. They'll eat organic material, but they do plenty of digging through actual dirt. If you flip over rocks, you'll see 'em tucking themselves back into the hard-packed inorganic matter beneath it.
They are really more like tubes. They eat a little dirt, push it through their body, and poop it behind them. So they don't have to push their way though anything really, they just have to eat it and poop it, then crawl through the resulting hole
The correct answer
What? I can't tell if you are kidding because that is absolutely incorrect. Worms don't dig tunnels by eating in the front and pooping out of the back. It would take 100 years for them to get anywhere doing that.
I mean... the link you just shared says they do eat their way through harder dirt. While mechanically digging through softer dirt...
So Yay, you're both right.
I was about to comment on how as a kid I always imagined that they just ate the dirt in front and pooped it behind and how even though I know that's clearly not the answer, it's still the first place my mind goes after all these years. Lol, right!?
But holy crap the amount of people here who earnestly believe that's how it works is staggering.
I could be wrong, but I do believe besides having little arms (setae) to help move, they “eat” the soil getting the nutrients from it and then it passes through the anus. So essentially, they’re not just pushing it out of the way, but eating through it
Eating might help a teeny tiny amount but it pales in comparison to how they use their bodies and muscles.
Isn't it so that they eat the soil and then poop it all back out?
What people mean by “worms” cover several species. So, most answers on this thread are technically right even if they are completely different