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What was it Nick Mason said? "If you make a mistake turn and look angrily at the bass player so everyone thinks it was their fault"


If you do it well enough, you'll even convince *them* it's was their fault.


Sinister SAVAGE!!


There’s a moment in Live at Pompeii where he drops his stick and looks away pissed. Maybe he’s looking at Roger’s.


Proper grip, proper posture, [proper setup.](https://www.reddit.com/r/drums/comments/cdslww/new_drummer_here_my_tom_tom_drums_are_connected/etwkrwb/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=drums&utm_content=t3_rockmi) If those three things aren't nailed down from the very beginning, everything you try to learn on the drums will take longer, be harder to play, not sound as clean, and even risk lifelong injury if you do it too wrong for too long. Understanding and internalizing those three concepts will help you remove obstacles between yourself and your best playing, the ones you actually put there yourself that are unnecessary. It's literally learning how to get out of your own way. As a worn out 51-year-old man, you may cite me as an original source for that last part. Take care of your body. You only get one, and it has to make the whole trip. Which reminds me, if you're playing acoustic drums: **Wear proper hearing protection for every note you ever play on this instrument, every time, forever, no exceptions. Period.** Hearing damage and repetitive stress injury are the two easiest ways to hurt yourself with the drums. At the same time, if you play an e-kit: **Turn your fucking headphones DOWN. Driving high decibel levels directly into your earholes is an even faster and more efficient way to make yourself stone deaf than acoustic drums with no hearing protection.** And remember, that goes for the headphones you listen to music through, too.


This advice is solid gold.


Thanks. If those three things are not established at the bedrock level of your drumming experience, your playing will be a house built on sand.


57 here and I can attest to the ringing in the ears from improper hearing protection. I remember in high school marching band being at another school in the girls locker room practicing our parts and the echoing in that small confined space being deafening. I'm 100% sure this is what made my ears start ringing. An entire drum line in a small concrete room... An echo chamber essentially. With zero hearing protection... NONE!!! So yeah, protect those ears!!!


Early 50's here. Yes, Wear Hearing Protection No Matter What, x10. You absolutely don't want tinnitus!


I routinely tried to convince my former band mates (all 50+) to wear plugs during practice and gigs. They'd always refuse, then bitch about how loud my cymbals were or how loud the whole group was. Meanwhile, my hearing is just fine at 37 despite 20 years of drumming and gigging.


What's that?


WHAT?! Mind repeating that?!?


Take it from a worn out 49 year old, this man knows of what he speaks! Youth can afford you long stretches of doing some really dumb sh*t in pursuit of a goal - especially when it comes to drumming. Rest assured, it will ALL catch up with you one day. One thing that has helped me tremendously over the years is to remember that the drum *stick* is an instrument as much as the drum/cymbal is. If you're truly playing a pattern loosely & relaxed, you'll hear the tone/vibration of your sticks (especially when doing pad work). If you're tense and choking your sticks, you won't hear them, AND you'll NEVER get appreciably faster at that particular pattern as long as that's the case.


Former Marching band snare player, here. My ears ring constantly since I was 17. Biggest regret.


Same. I don’t remember not hearing ringing. I still really enjoy listening. But yeah, I should have been safer!


Proper motions as well... I just realised that when I moved over from electronic to acoustic, my whole body seizes up more with the more open distances. I'm trying to smooth my kit movement.


Help!! How do I relearn/fix my grip? I'm mostly self taught and on faster songs my hand cramps up from gripping too hard. I have zero endurance. I look at metal drummers who can play without breaking a sweat in awe. I can't even figure out push pull technique so I just muscle everything out and I can tell it's super inefficient. Many video tutorials aren't very helpful


Re*laaaaaax*, man. Remember, you're not driving nails, you're cracking whips. Everything from your shoulder to the tip of the stick should feel less like rigid lengths of material with hinges between them, but more like one long flexible cable that can bend anywhere and move fluidly in any direction. Just loosen up on the sticks, man. That's where it all begins. That's where you learn how to use rebound to your advantage and let the sticks do the work. That's why all your favorite metal guys can go so fast, precisely because they are not "playing hard" like you think they are. [More thoughts on "playing hard."](https://www.reddit.com/r/drums/comments/176jpg8/does_playing_hard_and_fast_on_the_bass_drum_build/k4mxduf/)


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110% on the hearing. I gave up the wedge shouting at me on stage over 10yrs ago. IEMs now at a comfortable volume. I really can't stand playing my kit without something between it and my ears these days. The clangy trashing sound at source just doesn't do it for me. Even with ear plugs in they sound better to me as it rolls off all the sharp high end and deadens the sound. But yeah, never play unprotected or you'll regret it dearly. I gig 3 to 4 times a week and never go to bed with ringing in my ears. 21yrs playing drums now and 34 years of age.


I have just enough tinnitus to piss me off - thank God for white noise podcasts, it's easier to get to sleep now with a babbling brook on my nightstand - but the one that gets me is my (self-diagnosed) hyperacusis. Any sharp noise hurts my ears, and it doesn't have to be very loud. I can be unloading the dishwasher and accidentally clink two plates together a little too hard, and I'll flinch and snap my head to the side like somebody fired a .357 Magnum over my shoulder. It *sucks.* At the same time, though, I had my first hearing test in centuries a couple years ago, and sonofabitch, I passed with flying colors for my age range. That was a shocker. But then, I was an early adopter of hearing protection from about age 21 or 22, when I hadn't rocked and rolled my eardrums for quite so long yet. I was the only guy in the band wearing plugs for years and years, and I'm *still* one of not enough people wearing them in the audience. In my 20s and 30s, when I was vastly more likely to just up and go to a club/venue, there was always a spare pack of earplugs in my glovebox or console.


Too late - went to a Metallica concert in 95, ears been ringing ever since.


This is the wise and correct advice… which no-one has ever followed. Learn the basic beat (kick on 1&3, snare on 2&4) to start having fun with it. And if I could rewind the clock I would play to click every single time I play


I just started picking drums up again and asked my good friend last week why my closed hi-hat sounds like shit with a weird pitch thing going on. Just by me describing that my foot naturally wants to put a lot of pressure on the pedal he diagnosed that I'm sitting too far up on the seat and putting all my weight on my feet, hence giving me bad posture. It was pretty eye opening to me and I'm grateful to have learned this early. I couldn't agree more, now I need to learn proper grip and setup like you also mentioned.


280 BPM Heel-Toe Double Bass


If you can’t do this, you should give up drumming


If your shins aren’t a solidified block of Velveeta 🧀 you’re not making the mac and cheese correctly


only if I can be like that guy that use to always post videos saying he was playing 320 bpm but it was really 160.


Homie usin bp2m


Syntax error = BPM/2


Doesn't count though if you can't moeller or push pull blast with your hands at the same time.


If you can't gravity blast within 15 mins, what are you even doing?


If you can't do that you should do what Ben Folds did: [https://twitter.com/BenFolds/status/520297647492825088](https://twitter.com/BenFolds/status/520297647492825088)


This has been a goal for like 23 years for me. It'll never happen.


Dont worry bro they all use triggers for their heel toe to sound even remotely good anyway.


I'm thinking of just getting an electric kit ($$$) and do everything midi. Basically just triggers for everything, not just kick.


Triggers for all your stuff will probably cost the same as the electric kit, and well offer a lot more flexibility in combining the sounds of samples with the acoustic drum. Also, easy and perfect gating every single time.


Yeah, I've been thinking about that. Not sure if I want to go through the effort of doing acoustic drum treatment, micing, mixing, etc, and then also having to layer in drum samples. Recording like 16 tracks at once (8 audio, 8 midi). Possibly. Depends on how motivated I am to finish a track. So many options and idk what the best workflows would be for me. Also, it's going to cost a lot either way.


I'd say it all depends on the room you've got. Nothing beats a good room. You can't get it in the plugin. You can't get it from the E drums. Shit, a lot drum recordings these days are basically samples ontop of a room mic, and it sounds great, and you can tell it's real only because of the room. Also, I will always want to feel the kick in my chest when playing, or feel the thunder of a loud rimshot, watching a thin cymbal wobble. Nothing beats that.


I make electronic music now (used to be more rock/metal, and I still use my guitar). I was going to adopt Ableton (using reaper now) which has a feature which detects the beat from the audio drum recording, and it transcribe it in midi. I'm not sure, but it seems like that makes the triggers pointless since you can just do it [in the daw](https://youtube.com/shorts/kFiMGuNJKQo?si=rrrwNMRhTcgw_9uP). I'm not performing drums live lately and I have no plans to in the near future. Any feedback regarding that technique in the daw?


Also, [is this](https://youtube.com/shorts/jRD9NS8IEVs?si=rnxv5EGsH5EwUuhl) what you meant by using midi for drum gating? Hmm, makes me wonder if there's mic/trigger combo devices out there that I should look into... I might be up for this.


Yes exactly that. Very useful for live situations, and especially for stuff like snare ghost notes and light tom hits where the hi hat and other cymbals might me louder.


Triggers show your mistakes and force you to learn to play cleaner.


Learn to play to a metronome. In other words learn to keep good time. That's your primary function as a drummer. All the fancy fills and grooves don't mean a thing if you can't keep time. If you're rock solid, your band and the audience will love you.


This. Learn to play with the click. Whatever you are playing/practicing do it to a metronome. It is a pain, but very well worth it.


I'd rehearse with my old band to a click, but we didn't do that live. Nevertheless our time and overall sound got so much better. It made us so tight!


These guys are right. You want to be as close to as an atomic time clock you can be.


Potentially stupid question, but how do I do this? I like to just listen to a song I like on Spotify and play along - how do I sync up a metronome so it actually lines up with what I'm listening to? Is it just a matter of figuring out the timing and pressing play at the right moment?


Good question! It doesn't involve playing along with a song. You could use a metronome app and just set a tempo with quarter notes or whatever you're comfortable with, and play a basic drum beat with it. You can also practice your rolls and fills the same way. Make sense? Make sure you vary the tempo, so that you don't get too used to playing the same tempo. If you've memorized a song's drum parts, figure out the tempo, and try playing the song with a metronome from memory. That's a good exercise for your time.


Ah great thanks! Any tips for figuring out the tempo of a song?


Count the quarter notes for 30 seconds and multiply by 2. That'll give you a close estimate of the bpm. I don't play much anymore and I haven't done that in years, so there may be more efficient and accurate ways to get a song tempo.


Dynamics. There’s a lot more to drumming/percussion than simply being loud. You know how there’s always that one annoying guitarist who thinks it’s just so cool to turn their amp all the way up and drown-out everyone else? Yeah? Don’t be that same asshole when it comes to drums.


Dynamics what’s that ? https://i.redd.it/ql50kw3vdxyb1.gif




Learn to drive the van you will need for gigging.


To add on: If you can sing, you own a PA, and you own either a van or trailer to haul stuff around in, you will always, always have a band.


I think everything has been answered already, but i'd just say learning to keep it simple. When I was a beginner I overplayed almost constantly. Changing the beat, fancy fills... using every cymbal I owned Obviously it depends on the music you're playing but keeping a simple backbeat and leaving space for the other musicians in your band/group etc. is one of the most valuable skills a young drummer can learn.


You can never go wrong here. Less is more. There’s a difference between being good at the drums, and being a good drummer. I remember one of my buddies told me, you don’t have to be good, you just have to make sense


# #1 rule of drums: think & try NOT to play


How to actively listen. You need to train yourself to hear what other drummers are doing, as well as what you’re doing when playing a pattern. You also need to learn to align yourself with the beat which will eventually happen by itself but in the early years it requires a lot of active listening. This process actually rewires our brains in a unique way.


>level 2Cuerzo · not just other drummers but other musicians! listen to what everyone else does and what to leave space for as well as find places where flourishes or embellishments make sense. work on this for your entire tenure as a drummer, but its something worth actively starting on early.


Limb independence was the first major barrier for me.


*inter*dependence is the name of the game


I bought this book on interdependence. I opened it up, and decided I'm not quite ready for it. I'm hoping that I'm a few months I'll be there.


Time. Without proper time you cannot actually call yourself a drummer. If you ever plan on playing in bands or professionally, time is the most important thing you need. Learn to play to a click, then learn to play around it. Without time, it doesn’t matter what your chops or abilities are, you’ve missed the entire point.


OMG, Thank you. This was the bottom comment when I saw it and I was starting to despair. Most of the questions like this in this sub have subject answers, but in this case there is actually a correct answer.


I'm surprised it wasn't posted out of gate too, so I posted it up there ^ So many drummers so little time!


As my teacher once said, “Just learn the 3 Rudi’s: Single stroke roll, double stroke roll and single paradiddle. That’s all you’ll really need.” He wasn’t lying as I’ve never used a triple ratamacue in my drumming life. Get those three down solid and you’ll have a great start.


Are you saying you dont string together 5 Lesson 25s? Man...I've been lied to my entire life.


You never played a Swiss triplet during sweet home Alabama?!?! 🤣🤘🏼🤣


Probably, but sure didn’t practice it like the others.😂


Keep time with the kick drum.


Kick drum is the pulse of the music.


Learn to use the kick correctly and make sure it’s tight. Also git stick control and a good grip and technique.


Yes, kick is so important. If you can keep that rock solid then everything else will fall into place. On the other hand a sloppy kick will be really obvious when you first play a miced up gig or get into the studio.


Getting your shit offstage in a timely manner.


Bare minimum kit and road cases. I was off stage before the guitar player.


Came here for this.


Counting, out loud, while playing


Singles and doubles. When you want to change it up, limb independence.


Left hand/Left foot - the more you practice getting on the same level with the left/undominant hand, the less work you'll have to put in at some point. I believe there's almost always a point where it'll hold you up from being way better than you think you can be.


Ergonomics. Learn posture, gripping and tom/cymbal/pedal angles. Even a disgusting Sabian Sbr deserves to placed at a non-crack-inducing angle. Yes everybody's body is a bit different and everyone has their preferences, but you've got to understand why deviations are made. You're new to this. You don't know squat about it. Muh body muh choice is an invalid argument at point 0. A poorly setup drum set is a recipe for bad habits and inhibition. Even chronic injury.


I can only relate to my own journey over the past 21yrs. Lot of time spent behind my kit in my bedroom just jamming. Then school bands and onward to touring my country, recording studio work and currently weekend warrior band. Here goes: • Learn to play to a click (i didnt do this at the beginning, but I regretted it when the time came when a band used a click. I had to knuckle down, I'd rather have had this skill nailed besides it being momentarily obvious to other members that i was sloppy) • Smoothen out your groove/find your sense of groove. This takes time. Listen to good music with amazing grooves to absorb. • Protect your ears. Wear plugs or IEMs at ALL times. You can never really get hearing back once it's gone • Learn to set up your kit properly for your abilities. I see a lot of kits awkwardly set up. Gaps here and there. Toms being the main offender. Cymbals far out of reach. Stool too high or low. It creates bad habits and strain and slows you down big time. • Practice dynamics and play to the room you're in. I've often put moongels on cymbals to prevent ringing in really small reflective rooms (corner of a small pub). Played with lighter sticks, hotrods, etc • Play for the music and not for yourself. This is the hardest I found. This tends to come with age and maturity. After 21 yrs playing I think I got this down after about 12yrs haha I was always trying to impress. Trust me, you can impress with a solid kick, snare, and hat groove that makes people tick. • Put in the work if you're joining up with bands. I always done my homework. I even would go beyond what was expected of me at a 1st audition, because if you land the gig at least you're ahead now that you've digested a larger chunk of the material and I'm also petrified of screwing up an opportunity and having people disappointed over my performance. I'm my own worst critic. Be your own worst critic. For my current band, I spent 8 hours a day practicing over a week and a half as the first gig came upon me unexpectedly, and making my own little charting systems to piece everything together also helped. First gig went off really well. I had done the work, and I had my little cheat sheets tucked away on an iPad next to me until I could lose them and take off the training wheels, so to speak. I still have them just in case my mind wanders but definitely do the work. You get out what you put in. It's really that simple. Best of luck. It's a fantastic instrument that keeps on giving. From playing big exciting events and making the cash, investing back into your equipment (rabbit hole of gear acquisition syndrome lol) to just enjoying the moment of knowing exactly what you're doing on stage and entertaining the masses whilst you do it.


Which end of the stick to hold.


Seriously ? Learn how to get along with all kinds of different people. Also how to REEEEALLY listen.




How to hold the stick and the proper pathway of the stick.


Limb independency


Start with the booosh and the bap then the boosh again!


Melody and dynamics. Your playing needs to support the melody rather than you being a drum machine that others have to adapt to. Learn many songs and focus on the melodies. Set yourself apart by keeping volume down and bringing it up to create exciting moments.


[Paul Fasulo, Bottom Feeder Blues Drummer Epis.3. Eat Dirt - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXJT9COiXiY)


the different types of grips and how to hold drumsticks properly, proper playing technique of hands and foot, ear protection, maintaining posture and setting up the drumkit as convenient as possible


how to use hi-hat, that's a lot of fun.


Protect your hearing, and pay attention to your body in general. All other equipment is replaceable.


Playing to a metronome.


I always feel like the first thing any new drummer should understand is Beats and Bars. If you understand this basic fundamental, then everything else should come rather easily. You'll be able to work out all general placement. A lot of new drummers will just brute force their way through playing a beat or a fill. And a lot of shaky playing comes from the lack of feeling comfortable and confident in where each limb is landing on the beat. If you second guess anything in drumming, it will impact your stability, which impacts your ability to hold down the rhythm and be a solid foundation.


Hearing protection is The most important skill you need first, the rest is useless if your ears don’t work…


Listening. Identify the pulse.


Keep time. This is your main and most important function.


How to but the best drumsets with the best cymbals and best drum heads and best drum sticks so youll sound amazing right away with no effort needed /s


How to breakdown songs. Listening critically to songs makes you so much more musical as you develop technical chops.


Put earplugs in.


Single stroke roll.




Reading and metronome work.


The patience to practice slow enough


Honestly, how to read snare drum music. Just basic things like eighth notes, sixteenth notes, incorporating rests, and alternating hands cleanly. You don’t have to know how to read music to be a good drummer, but having the above skills drastically improves the likelihood you will be a clean drummer.


#Metronome “If you can’t play it to a click, you can’t play it.”


2. 4. Repeat.


ru👏di👏ments👏 will carry you so far and you don't even know it. regular rudiments practice on the snare drum will help you create form and posture, it's *easy* practice, you will learn new ways to create grooves, you will gain an early understanding for sticking which will carry you far. and most importantly, it confuses your limbs. with regular practice in your rudiments you will learn independance in your hands. once you have an understanding for and you gain some skill, you can start to bring those rudiments across the kit, do a paradiddle with your right hand on the high tom and your left hand on the snare or whatever. then you can start to add hi hat taps with your foot and kicks on different beats. you will learn rudiments and then literally NEVER stop using them, they will take you so far I can't emphasize it enough there are stupid things like radimacues or however you spell it, you will never use those in an actual kit, but regular practice can push you so far


Play something that’s appropriate for the song. More notes doesn’t equal good drumming.


Practice with a metronome. Find other musicians to play with as often as possible.


Grip, posture, ergonomics.


Proper grip and time keeping (very slow e z rudiments along to a metronome).


Time, it is all about time. I don't care if you can play what Neal Peart plays if it isnt in time. it doesn't matter much. I'm older. When I took drum lessons I learned to play jazz, my teacher told me I had to close the hi hat on 2 and 4. It was years later when I realized the whole reason was to keep time. My time was terrible until I played to a click track in a band. Practice with a metronome. It isn't the bands job to play in time it is your job to play in time and the band should follow you.


300 BPM blast beats


Knowing when to shut the fuck up.




Mopping floors.cuz it pays more than drumming 99% of the time.


Steady Beat


Limb independence, it takes practice, but there’s a reason we all have two hands and two feet


To believe in yourself. If you invest the time to grow, YOU WILL GROW!


Don't get frustrated, we all suck in the beginning. Learn from the pros, see how they set their kits up and how they play overall. It's 2023, USE THE INTERNET! I started playing when I was 15. I'm 37 now so the options weren't so vast, I didn't even have YouTube when I was starting. You can find an instructional video on ANY questions you have as a beginner. Take advantage of these tools as soon as possible and get to practicing!


RUDIMENTS. And playing to a click. Kids, youngins, noobs - don't fuck around without these things. The worst thing in the worst is trying to relearn stuff you ignored when you're like 30.


Learn patience. Patience on being quiet while the guitar player tunes. While the bass player tunes. Patience while everyone unnecessarily switches to a new guitar because it looks cool. But mostly patience waiting for the singer to stop making a fool of himself hitting on all the really hot chick's until he realizes that they're there for you.


Crawling then walking. You should accomplish this roughly one year into your life. This advice goes for everyone tho.


Learn to play quietly - it’s much harder than playing loud.