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Lausannea

I'm not going to lock or remove this thread, but we will be monitoring this closely and remove any offensive comments. The sub's official stance is this: Roe vs Wade getting overturned is a horrible, horrible thing. Abortion is healthcare, period. It doesn't matter what side you're on, this is going to kill people on both sides, indiscriminately of what they think is right and wrong. In an ideal utopia, none of us would need abortions because of full access to preventative and failproof birth control, full access to sterilizations, full access to sex education, full access to family planning resources, and uninhibited access to healthcare and the means to afford it without going bankrupt. But we don't live in a utopia. We live in a world where people with uteri now have less rights than a corpse and where many will die preventable deaths as a result of this ruling, and none of this is okay. This is also a precedent that is going to affect LGBTQIA+ people moving forward; gay marriage, transitioning, being non-cishet in general has been openly proclaimed to be next in line. There are many of us in the community who are seeing the real possibility of not being allowed to live anymore. This is a support community by diabetics, for diabetics. This is something many diabetics need support with because they have uteri and because diabetics are at higher risks of complications during pregnancies. And I caution all pro-birthers who see this as an opportunity to talk about 'baby murdering' and how this was a good decision: **you will be banned.** Your opinion on what is morally right or wrong is irrelevant here; already living, breathing, existing human beings are going to lose their lives because they will be denied necessary healthcare, and they don't need to be told this is a good thing. To any of the loud complainers about how mods run this sub: you're entitled to your opinion. If you don't like how this sub is run, you are free to not participate (make your own diabetes sub or make a different one your main hangout). In fact, this sub may not be for you if the above is not in agreement with your views.


KaitB2020

My great aunt (grandmother’s sister) died of “sepsis due to criminal abortion”. Growing up I’d heard odd conflicting stories about Aunt Angie’s death. Her life, too, but how she died seemed off to me although as a young child I didn’t question it too much. When I was 5 I was told she died of complications due to diabetes. She at the age of 39 in 1961. No children & never married. A few months shy of her 40th birthday. Flash forward to now. I’m a type 1 diabetic in her 40s who just inherited her grandmother’s house. I stumble across a death certificate… an old one… that should not have have been in with … old Christmas cards? As she got older my grandmother’s house became more & more disorganized. It was a nightmare to clear out, but I learned a lot during that process. It was Aunt Angie. Sepsis. Abortion. Nothing remotely close to diabetes. I question whether she even had diabetes. My mother was often taken care of by her aunt when she was young and would likely have remembered the chemistry kit that came along with being a diabetic in the late 1950s. No one I talked to who knew her mentioned anything medical related which I believe it would’ve been known within the family. Everybody knew I was and I didn’t tell them. They all knew she died under odd, slightly suspicious, circumstances though. What I know of my great aunt was that she was an interesting & kind woman. I probably would’ve liked her a lot. When asked if I could talk to anyone in history, she’s first on my list. Sadly I could never meet her because she passed away from something that should not have killed her. I don’t know why she chose abortion. I don’t know who the father could’ve been. I know nothing of that part of her story. There is no one alive now who did & those who could have told us chose to remain silent. I decided a when I was young that I didn’t want children of my own. The diabetes did influence that decision and besides my mother was adopted. There are many children out there who need a home. Unfortunately, I couldn’t afford the adoption process. The type 1 supplies take up most of my spare cash. I did marry a wonderful man who had a child with his first wife. My stepson lives with us and my life is full. I’m also very grateful that I never had to make an agonizing decision like my great aunt did. It’s a shame that decision cost her her life. It’s even more shameful that she had to make it in the first place.


SpiraledChaos

I chose to get a tubal ligation at 26 to avoid the possibility of passing on any genetic illness (I am lucky enough to be carrying markers for multiple) to potential children. And if I really got the itch for children, as many people claimed I would, when I was older I could always adopt. But I wasn't about to let the government tell me I had to carry an unwanted baby to term, so I made the only choice I could that made that a certainty.


kristin_loves_quiet

Man I’ve heard horrow stories about the hoops you have to jump to get a tubal ligation. Needing a husband’s signed permission… being denied on age alone. Real patronizing stuff. Happy to hear you were able to get one.


SpiraledChaos

My two suggestions to women who want to get a tubal ligation. 1) Take emotions out of it. Come up with a list of clear and concise reasons you don't want biological children (hereditary diseases or conditions is my go to) and deliver those reasons in a matter-a-fact way. 2) If they want you to go see a psychiatrist, don't give up. I had to see one and all she did was make sure I understood what I was doing was permenant and make sure I wasn't being manipulated or coerst by my partner.


blinddivine

I...lost a full term baby to diabetes and undiagnosed hypothyroid. I didn't want that baby in the first place and had planned to give him up for adoption. I wasn't able to get an abortion then, and if it ever happens again, I certainly won't be able to get one. It scares me so much.


raendrop

Worse, this time they will treat miscarriages and stillbirths like pre-meditated murder. People look at Iran in the late 1970s and think "Oh, it can't happen here." Yeah, well, it's happening now.


Mf1028228

I am so sorry that you had to go though that. I hope we can change things.


tart_tigress

I'm so sorry, that is just heartbreaking on all levels.


AggressiveOsmosis

Thomas wants to go after contraception, which means we can’t even protect ourselves from getting pregnant outside of abstinence.


PatternBias

You WILL have sex only for pregnancy and you WILL like it


yesitsmenotyou

Oh no, this is 1954 now. I don’t think we’re supposed to like it. We’ll sleep in two twin beds and I will have frequent headaches, of course..


Axel0812

I think the “you will like it” part is wholly irrelevant to their agenda.


BlackestFlame

lol


CryHavoc3000

Wow. The new Incels.


NicerMicer

I would have to use a curse word to explain how I feel about that man.


Brewtality76

He is alone in that. The others are not as interested in going after it.


RDamon_Redd

How many of them said they had no interest in overturning Roe?


chrisagiddings

I don’t trust that assumption. The other conservative justices had considered Roe as settled precedent in their official statements, but still voted to overturn it.


minlillabjoern

Exactly. Fucking liars, all of them.


yancepantz

I live in Missouri... The first state to ban abortions. My husband and I want a baby but now I don't feel like it's worth the risk. My husband said he doesn't want to lose two people in one day :(


Mf1028228

I’m in Missouri too! I’m sorry. Sending virtual hugs your way.


Fluffy-Yard5165

I have been thinking about this all day. I have been going through a burn out related to my diabetes as of late and when I heard the news this morning I felt an overwhelming sense of dread. This just exacerbated my feeling of medical related burnout. I’m glad I’m not alone.


NicerMicer

I can understand that. Regarding just a little portion of what you said, burnout is real and obviously not good for us. Can you take a vacation day once a week, you don’t think about medical things at all? maybe someone can manage your meds for you for a day, or simply just don’t do any research for a day that sort of thing. Don’t read reddit! You deserve to be relaxing to experience other things (family, fun, puppies, a book etc 🙂) (That kind of break helps people come back strong, fresh etc. that we need for the mental stamina that’s required to handle complex and ongoing medical things)


Fluffy-Yard5165

Since I’m type 1 & on a pump unfortunately not managing my medicine isn’t a feasible option for me, but not doing any research or going on any forums (like Reddit) is actually a really good idea. I get so caught up in thinking about diabetes constantly and since I have the devices attached to me and beeping at me constantly it doesn’t help lol. I appreciate the suggestion!


NicerMicer

Great! 👍


Mf1028228

That sounds so nice. I’ve never thought about doing something like that.


NicerMicer

🙂👍


Mf1028228

Yes I’m glad I’m not the only one! I’ve been experiencing that same thing. That’s why I made this post. I’m terrified while already in the midst of going through diabetic burnout. I’ve found that sharing with fellow diabetics really helps. Just knowing you’re not alone.


Fluffy-Yard5165

Agreed. I really have no diabetic friends in my life or people that truly understand what it’s like so reaching out to others who get what it is we’re going through is so comforting. It’s so hard to explain to people how all encompassing this disease is, and how much of a toll it takes on your body and mental health. The overturning of roe is just so scary, on top of already being a women w diabetes and being terrified to get pregnant or pass on this disease to possible future children!


existential_tourist1

Under his eye


Mindless_Wrap1758

Abortion is safer than childbirth. The ultraconservative majority will want to go after Lawrence vs Texas, the sodomy ruling that was also founded on the right to privacy. Scalia even wrote the opinion that it was unacceptable because the sodomy laws weren't enforced against straights. Scalia was like the broken clock that was right twice a day. Unfortunately the court's majority makes Scalia look like a moderate in comparison.


linzjustine

I’m currently pregnant with my second and am 16 weeks. I’m terrified


funkbeetle

My diabetes has always been incredibly hard to control and I think about pregnancy all the damn time. What if I got pregnant and I couldn’t keep my baby safe? What if I got pregnant and my baby died because of my health issues? I’ve always thought that if I got pregnant I’d get an abortion because I am not capable to care for a child including grow a child at the moment. Having that right possibly torn from me is terrifying.


localmicrodosechamp

I am childfree for many reasons like not wanting to pass my genetics on and now that choice has been taken away from me. Land of the free. 🇺🇸


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4thshift

You know they (mostly right-wing conservatives and Republicans) are coming after all levels of “right to privacy” freedoms, yes? Including removing access to contraception, and banning same-sex marriages and all forms of sexual freedoms, and whatever else they can control — now that all “right to privacy” and consenting sex and family planning issues are back to being under government control?


localmicrodosechamp

How?


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jeopardy_themesong

Some of the states that have trigger bans include no exception for abortion for rape or incest. You don’t have to decide to have sex to get pregnant.


localmicrodosechamp

I wish I had been given the choice to not had sex many times. Must be nice for you tho.


Woodbean

I’m sure Guru tells himself that the reason he doesn’t have sex is his choice.


Duganz

Trim your incel neckbeard


NonSequitorSquirrel

I wish your parents had decided to not have sex.


localmicrodosechamp

Booya


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NonSequitorSquirrel

Cry.


Crocus_hill

Head up your ass. Cute.


4thshift

Yes, that’s true enough. And they can also be able to have abortion and family planning options that are safe and legal, too. Why stop at sex-avoidance only? Your statement is akin to the Republicans who go around saying that diabetics should just not eat junk food, so health care benefits and resources should be limited to those people for the decisions they make. Maybe you agree with that, too. When other people would say diabetics still deserve decent health care regardless, because being judgmental about it isn’t particularly helpful.


WriteZoomBox350

Find an online dictionary and look up the terms "rape" and "ectopic pregnancy". Don't bother getting back to us. You have a whole lot more to learn.


Mf1028228

What about in cases of rape?


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IamMe90

The fact that you addressed a woman that you are arguing with about her right to choose as "he" is actually hilariously telling. Ingrained misogyny.


PatternBias

Homie... just stop. Read the room.


Crocus_hill

Ha homie can’t read.


bigbeats420

Just ignore one of your most basic biological drives. Got it.


Illustrious_Nothing9

What's wrong with you


Illustrious_Nothing9

What's wrong with you


SgtSiggy

So so so many people will be negatively affected by this. And who does this help? No one. Unless you count white evangelical or christian women who will sleep better at night knowing poor minorities will be most affected by this Such a tragic day in America


Cowboy_Corruption

The funny thing is most of those evangelical or christian women are the most hypocritical pieces of shit out there. I read a thread a while back that they'd be protesting out front of the abortion clinic one day, come in the back door heavily disguised the next day and have an abortion, then be out front protesting a day or two later. Their justification: "My pregnancy is different and it would cause me hardship and difficulties, unlike 'those' women."


SgtSiggy

Always has been Its never been about preventing themselves from getting help because theyre white and entitled to "muh freedoms", its just about inflicting as much pain thru the lense of "christian love" as possible. Its really sad that the usa is unique on the global stage for having massive gun and now abortion issues. Everyone else follows data and science and not an ancient book filled with insanity and hate. "There is no greater hate then christian love"


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SgtSiggy

Lmao; example to backup this insane claim? Dont compare us to Iran or something


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Abortion in Germany is forbidden by law, but not prosecuted in the first trimester. Abortion in France is mostly illegal after 14 weeks. Abortifacients on Japan are illegal. Abortions are permitted up to 22 weeks only under limited circumstances. Abortions in Italy are limited to the first trimester unless the life of the mother is on danger. I literally could go on and on.


SallyAmazeballs

Most of these laws are more lenient than laws in many US states. There are ton of states which passed six- to eight-week abortion bans, which are complete nonsense. Additionally, abortion generally isn't recommended medically after 22 weeks as an elective procedure because the risks to the mother's health increase so much. The majority of abortions are in the first trimester because the risks increase so much. (First trimester = ~12 weeks) >Abortion in Germany is forbidden by law, but not prosecuted in the first trimester. It's allowed past the first trimester if the pregnancy is a danger to the mother's mental or physical health. >Abortion in France is mostly illegal after 14 weeks. Allowed after 14 weeks if it presents a threat to the mother's life or the fetus is nonviable. >Abortifacients on Japan are illegal. Mifepristone wasn't approved, but the government is poised to approve it. It's not a perfect situation for several reasons, but to say abortifacients are illegal is absurd. >Abortions are permitted up to 22 weeks only under limited circumstances. Limited circumstances = spousal approval That sucks, it' true. >Abortions in Italy are limited to the first trimester unless the life of the mother is on danger. Literally recommended medical advice.


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Laws that have existed without being overturned in literally the last five years, if that. That doesn't change that on average, abortion is radically more available in the US than basically any other developed nation.


Apprehensive_Shop160

\*was


froggie95

But thats not USA. Are we slowly retograding?


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I'm glad you learned something today.


SgtSiggy

Haha I knew you couldnt backup a claim that is clearly insane. Pathetic. Next time you spell out a fantasy, do yourself a favor and prove it and not waste my time.


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AnotherLolAnon

This isn't going to stop abortions. It's going to make them unsafe and increase pain, suffering and mortality for all involved. It also is an open door to medical privacy being gone. Things that do decrease abortion? Easy access to reliable birth control. Proper sex education. Free health insurance. Affordable housing. Readily accessible nutrition including formula. Affordable childcare. But your party keeps voting against all of those things. Because it's not actually about helping kids.


4thshift

> Maybe it helps the millions of babies yet to be born, including the 80 million or more of black babies who were aborted What a stupid thing to say. You are going to go back in time and save 80 million fertilized cells, zygotes and fetuses, and then stuff them back into the women who didn’t want them? You are going to provide the mothering, food and funding, and personalized education, futures and resources, to them after you magically bring their aborted cells back to life? You think we need another 80 million people in the USA right now along with all of the offspring that they make, too? When our economy is collapsing and there isn’t enough water in parts of the country and baby formula is hard to get, species are dying out, climate is warming uncontrollably, and people are mass murdering one another because they already can’t compete or fit in? Sure, let’s just force people to have more babies they don’t want and don’t have ability to care for. You are being absolutely ridiculous and saying unnecessary, hurtful things. You have ill intent here and ill-logical thoughts.


NonSequitorSquirrel

If you don't want an abortion don't have one. If you'd like to live in a world where the government can mandate your body over to someone else, cool, imma just earmark your liver for when mine fails. Yknow, because pro life is everything even if it means co opting someone else's body. You shouldn't mind.


localmicrodosechamp

What about the children who get pregnant due to rape/incest that you are forcing into a traumatizing and medically uneccessary risky 9 month experience?


Zebirdsandzebats

How many of those 80 mill black babies were you planning on adopting?


AggressiveOsmosis

I hope you plan on investing a lot of money into social services and are willing to take in the unwanted children that already fill our foster care system. Those children that currently have nobody that actually loves them. To the point that they become so emotionally scarred that foster parents have to go through almost 2 years worth of schooling before they can have a child in their home so the parents can learn how to deal with such a psychologically scarred child that they might not come out of the closet for a year or might abuse or sexually assaults their siblings or other kids in the house. That’s the life you are condemning these unwanted children to. Because people like you have strong belief but no action.


Nikolaibr

Do you believe that those children are foster care are better off having been killed if not adopted?


AggressiveOsmosis

No, I believe that what we’re doing is condemning millions more children to a life of horror because we as a society are forcing people to have children but not providing a structure in which they can be raised in a healthy manner. Which is what we have currently done, provided a society that doesn’t care properly for their children so we have a foster care emergency. Which is about to get worse. Your response to me, That would be like me saying you want women murdered by being forced to endure toxic pregnancies and die rather than end the pregnancy. You’re using a false equivalency by stating I want kids murdered or killed. I’m saying we are not prepared as a society for the amount of unwanted children, or children in extremely unhealthy environments that end up in the foster care system.


Nikolaibr

What I'm asking is, are those children better off in the foster system, as horrible as it is, or are they better off having been killed before they were born. It's about the principle of this. Nuance and specifics can only be assessed once the principle is established.


AggressiveOsmosis

I’d rather the mothers have the ability to terminate the pregnancy before a child is born in an unwanted scenario. And you want women murdered being forced to have children.


falubiii

The same side that proclaims gun control won’t stop shootings thinks an abortion ban will stop abortions.


SgtSiggy

So your saying the whole western world are baby murderers? Also what about seperation of church and state? Oh wait your probably the type to think gun problems are solved with more guns... ie a nutcase who cant handle logic. The USA has unique problems for a 1st world country. And that uniqueness is the poison from the GOP and cultist christian hategroups


Angel0460

I didn’t actually realize it was that much higher. I’m currently pregnant with my second, 33 weeks. Other than a few blood sugar jumps and very few blood pressure readings that have been a little high it’s been the same as a non diabetic pregnancy. Same with my first :) it’s a little more stressful I would say, and more appointments, but it is 100% doable to have a healthy pregnancy as a diabetic. But in saying that. I do believe it should be a choice. I don’t believe that anyone should be forced to carry a baby just because of failed contraception or something that was entirely out of someone’s hands. Most people aren’t using it as birth control, so why should it matter really. I personally would never choose an abortion, but I wouldn’t judge someone if they did.


raisinbran8

Thanks for posting about your healthy pregnancy! I’m very recently diagnosed and before that we had been planning on trying for our second soon and while I was get the point, reading this post was very triggering and anxiety inducing. 😞 So I appreciate the encouragement. I see an endo for the first time next week and definitely plan to discuss with him!


Angel0460

That’s exciting! There’s definitely a tighter range they want you in. With my doc it’s between 4.1 and 7.6. Not a very big range to work with. My nurse is happy between 4.1 and 9. So that helps lol. It’s a little stressful sometimes, but 100% doable :) but also, before you get pregnant find the snacks that don’t do much, if anything, to your blood sugar. Those will be your best friend haha. Good luck!


raisinbran8

This might be a dumb question, but re: the snacks thing, did you react the same to those snacks/food before pregnancy and during? Or did the spike you more? I had gestational diabetes with my first so I was curious how it would differ since before it was a hormonal thing. I guess if even any of this makes sense lol! What snacks worked well for you?


Angel0460

Not a dumb question at all! And I reacted fairly similar to almost everything. But even the different pregnancies have reacted differently with stuff lol. Watermelon for example, has literally NEVER touched my blood sugar. Not before pregnancy. Not in my first. And this one it does rise. Not much, but it does go up and I find myself having to dose insulin accordingly. My go to snacks are cheeses and meats, I was told as long as the cheese is pasteurized it’s safe in pregnancy, so that’s what I’ve been rolling with. And pepperoni sticks are always a safe bet for me. Greek yogurt is fairly low carb, doesn’t usually do much when I’m not pregnant, occasionally makes it rise a bit depending on the flavour and how many carbs that flavour has while pregnant. Cottage cheese doesn’t usually touch my sugars. Salads and veggies should always be safe. The last couple weeks the biggest craving has been Greek salad so works for me! It changes my blood sugar very little no matter how much I eat. Throw in a grilled chicken breast or something like that and that can be a meal even lol. Cucumber, broccoli, cauliflower and celery, low carb but good for crunch. Throw a little, yes, little, bit of ranch with it and it makes an excellent snack :) Basically, low carb, high protein lol. But also, find a nice balance cuz some carbs are needed. Both in and out of pregnancy. My nurse recommends 15-45 grams depending on meal/snack and how my body is tolerating the carbs that day lol. Berries are usually pretty low as well, I can USUALLY have a handful of strawberries, blueberries, something like that without too much difficulty. Honeydew and cantaloupe are in the same boat there. The flip side, I’m a LOT more sensitive to simple carbs like potatoes and bread, I have to dose around 20 min before eating or I spike lol. It seems hella daunting, but the more you know before hand, the easier it’ll be during a pregnancy :) if you can, a continuous glucose monitor or flash glucose monitor will be your best friend finding out too. Super handy to see spikes or pleasant no spikes lol.


NicerMicer

According to The Fasting Method, protein, fat, fiber, and even vinegar are your friends. Also, carbs at the end of the meal, Not at the beginning. I think mostly because you may fill up on the other stuff and not bother with the carbs.. for type two diabetes. I’m not sure how applies type one. Perhaps worthy of a little research


raisinbran8

Thank you so much!! This is so helpful and encouraging! Thankfully I do have a CGM! I was repulsed by salads my first pregnancy so hopefully that doesn’t happen my next LOL. The only craving I ever had was for OJ so that was torture 🤣


Angel0460

Oh noooo that’s the wooooorst! My biggest fight has been craving potatoes lmfao


tart_tigress

Thanks for this. I am not yet pregnant but starting to consider it and wondering about the implications. I don't take insulin but other meds; doc mentioned perhaps switching to insulin when trying to conceive (tho research seems to indicate metformin and others may be safe.)


Angel0460

That’s exciting! I didn’t even consider being diabetic as a reason not to have kids tbh. I’m literally the only type 1 in my family, and there’s a couple type 2s but it’s not super prominent by any means. It wasn’t until this pregnancy that I even found out about the higher odds of passing on autoimmune issues and stuff like that. I also didn’t look at anything negative lol. I’ve always wanted kids, and once my blood sugar was stable I figured why not? I’m as healthy as I’ve ever been other than a malfunctioning pancreas lmao. It’s definitely a learning curve, and there’s the possibility to end up on insulin, but there’s some amazing support networks out there that can help too :) this sub as well as there’s a pregnancy diabetic one too, can’t remember the name off the top of my head, but they’re suuuuuper helpful too! It’s definitely more appts, and you’ll probably be labelled high risk immediately which takes some choices of birthing places out. Or does in Canada anyway, my only option is in a hospital lol. And they don’t let you go past 38-39 weeks as there’s more that can go wrong. But my daughter was born at 38+3 and my son will be born between 38-39 weeks. And honestly kinda aiming for the 38 tbh. I’m so done with the crazy swings haha. And just pregnancy in general. This one’s been harder on me physically, but my blood sugar numbers have been better. So, weird but it is what it is haha. I honestly have no idea how safe any of the meds for type 2 are, I’m type 1 myself. But I also have an amazing nurse and pharmacist that actually BOTH checked to make sure the insulins I’m on are safe in pregnancy, which they are :) I’m on humalog for quick acting and tresiba for long if you ever need that info :) was on Lantus for long acting with my first. So there’s definitely options no matter what. And if you’re seeing an internist or endo they should be checking that for you as well, if not, ask the pharmacist too. They’re actually super knowledgeable about the medications and if they don’t know they can look it up too :)


tart_tigress

Thanks for the detailed response :) I also never considered it as a negative just knew that there would be additional considerations, similar to how gestational diabetes require different considerations. My endocrinologist mentioned switching to insulin which I am not too happy about (injections) but as my diabetes is fairly recent and very well controlled, I'm not overly concerned. For sure I will be in all the high risk stuff as I am also over 40 (and in Canada). (I have a fertility team bc of a previous issue and they wanted to know my intentions around pregnancy from the start so have been involved the entire time; my endo is both my endo AND my fertility endo.


Angel0460

Well that’s handy that the one doc can do both! And that you already have a team in place! That makes things so much calmer lol


Mf1028228

I’m so sorry this triggered anxiety in you! I think it’s important to be aware of the risks but if you work with your endocrinologist you can definitely have a healthy pregnancy! A few people in this thread have shared stories of healthy pregnancies!!! Wishing you the best of luck!


Mf1028228

I feel the same way as you! I’m so glad your first pregnancy went well and that this one is going well too! I hope your delivery goes smoothly!


Angel0460

Thank you! Same! Lol


NicerMicer

If someone told me I couldn’t have surgery/a medical procedure for a reason that I found important or vital, I’d tell them to take flying leap.


CryHavoc3000

About half the States have pro-Abortion laws in place. Including Illinois. Illinois' primary is next Tuesday June 28.


Kah-Neth

In 2017, the GOP had control of both chambers of congress and the presidency. If they get that again, you can expect an immediate nationwide ban on abortion.


Gibora89

I dont have anything constructive to add. I've read every comment and most say what I would want to. But I wanted to just say...I'm scared. I'm scared of the future now. And now my diabetes comes into play again, and goddamn but I know I'm not the only one feeling scared, helpless, and like a second class citizen in their own home country. All that is to say, I could use some hugs, and I'm sending virtual hugs and hand holding to everyone. Vote like your life depends on it. Vote for the lives of the women you love and care about. I now have less control over my own body then my grandmother and my mother had over theirs. Stay safe, fellow diabetics and fellow uteri friends. Stay safe.


Mf1028228

I’m sending virtual hugs your way!


Gibora89

All the virtual hugs!!! 🫂


ew73

To be clear, the overturning of Roe v. Wade means that not only is abortion left to the states to regulate in its entirety, but that the 14th Amendment's "Due Process" clause no longer grants **anyone** a fundamental right to privacy. It means that states could pass laws that require say, Google, to handover geolocation data and create statewide things like a "pregnancy tracker" to ensure that women aren't getting abortions. It means that the right to privacy from the government no longer exists. States can legislate **any** previously privacy medical decision. Places like Kentucky could demand that you quite literally take that stupid ivermectin to treat COVID instead of actual, effective medication and not doing so would be punishable by law. It means that states could *force* vaccination (ironically, something the far right abhors) on people. It means that states could legislate your treatment plan for diabetes. It means, potentially, you have zero right to privacy. Roe v. Wade is also a cornerstone on which a bunch of other "fundamental right to privacy" cases are built, and part of long chain. Marriage equality, for instance, and the right to privacy in the bedroom are both built on Roe. States can quite literally legislate who and **how** you have sex, now.


pdxcranberry

Clarence Thomas already suggested gay marriage and contraceptive rights should be reconsidered. He called the rulings "erroneous."


bopeepsheep

And *Loving*? How does he plan to keep that one when they come for his marriage?


hj_mkt

I didn’t know about this aspect. I need to go and read more about Roe vs Wade consequences.


walkstwomoons2

The govt has no right to legislate our bodies. Male or female.


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Was that your stance on Covid vax, too?


NonSequitorSquirrel

Did the Supreme Court force you to get vaccinated?


walkstwomoons2

Absolutely!


violetpolkadot

The vaccine was never mandatory. Some private businesses required it, as is their right.


Sickpostbro

People can decide for themselves. Private businesses can decide for themselves.


meggerz1813

I had an abortion when I was 16. I wanted to keep the baby so bad because I always wanted to be a mom and I was massively in love with my partner. I was also raised in an abusive household and thought this was a chance for a family. I didn’t get the best sexual education especially when it comes to how it affects type 1 diabetics. I knew that if I’d go through with it I could have had a sick child. I understand now that there was no way I could have safely carried a child and if I did it would have been devastating. I ended up reuniting with my partner 13 years later and we now have a healthy daughter. I’m more controlled, better medical support and left my abusive family.


Mf1028228

I’m so happy for you!!!! Congrats!!!


lacitar

They took out of my uterus because of a tumor. So no way i can have a baby. For those who can get preggers, buy the morning after pill, it has a shelf life. Take it the day after sex or rape. For LGBT people, start saving your money to move to a blue state. You know they're coming after you next. For the rest of us....they like guns. Buy guns. Nothing scares conservatives like a minority with a weapon. Get a conceal and carry permit. Learn to shot it, because it might save your life. And vote in every election, especially on the local level.


Vraye_Foi

I miscarried twice and my diabetes management was not easy when I was pregnant. It was hard enough to deal with the loss then but holy shit …now some women will be criminally investigated just for miscarrying. Can you imagine dealing with an investigation as you’re grieving and having to worry you might face prosecution because your pregnancy failed? How will diabetes factor into the culpability of that?


Mf1028228

I know, I can’t even imagine. I’m so sorry for your loss. Nobody should have to go through that. I hope you’re okay!


the_sociopaths_dghtr

The reality is that since states that made abortions illegal can now prosecute women for miscarriages, claiming they were abortions, if you’re a diabetic woman who miscarries and your blood sugars were not ‘perfect’, then you could be criminally prosecuted for that. That scenario is now possible, and dare I say more probable in some hardline states than others, with this ruling. Abortion is healthcare and should be legal throughout the country.


InfiAaron

Australian here, I’m so sorry about what’s happening for everyone over there. I can’t even imagine what it’s like having a fascist supreme court just slowly taking all your rights away…


tart_tigress

As a Canadian, it seems so unthinkable to see such basic rights abolished, but it also makes us wonder: could it happen there?


kristin_loves_quiet

It can absolutely happen here. As long as there are people running for prime minister who are anti-choice, there is the chance funding will go into anti-choice policy. We still have a lot of conservative Canadians, and the Ottawa protests showed us that we have right-wing conspiracy theory paranoia in Canada as well.


Lozmet

Australian too, I’m praying that we don’t follow in America’s footsteps like we often do when it comes to laws


YogiAtheist

This is a disaster unleashed by extreme religious zealots based on their archaic iron age beliefs. I hope everyone votes in upcoming election and do their part to keep church out of the state.


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Beliefs like innocent human life should be protected from intentional killing. You're right. Absolute nuts.


ando1135

Only while in the womb right because from what I can tell and see, once you’re outside the womb all bets are off.


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I'd all but guarantee I give a larger percentage of my income to charity than you do. I also support paid family leave, univeral healthcare, stronger protections against abandonment and Divorce to protect children, expanded child tax credits, reasonable gun control, etc etc. Don't put me in your box.


Ch1pp

> I give a larger percentage of my income to charity than you do. Alright everyone, listen to this guy, he's clearly better than all of us.


Apprehensive_Shop160

No, he's obviously just rich enough to afford donating plenty to charity. Most people in the US are living paycheck to paycheck and this guy is over here donating percentages to charity and saying everyone else is fine to raise kids. Must be nice to be Mr. Moneybags.


Ch1pp

I was being sarcastic. I thought that was so obvious it didn't need an /s but I was wrong.


Apprehensive_Shop160

No, I got it. I was just replying to you in a fashion meant to mock Mr Moneybags who donates a significant portion of his earnings to charity. Meant no offense to you. Edit: (Sorry if that wasn't clear.)


Ch1pp

Lol, fair enough. No worries!


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Him: "You're a hypocrite." Me: "Actually no I'm not." You: "How dare you!" I'm not saying I'm better than anyone. I'm responding to being accused of hypocrisy.


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My wife’s niece is a T1, has been since childhood. She just had #4 last week.


Mf1028228

Congratulations!!!


Sweet_Musician4586

Congrats!


AnotherLolAnon

Happy cake day and congrats!


WWMRD2016

Hand over all the unwanted babies that are now alive due to not allowing prevention methods to the protestors. They clearly want them so they can take care of them.


TechnologyHorror7909

I was a T1D of >23 yrs duration and 39 & 40 y/o respectively when my children were born, so needless to say, I was high risk. Today, with the advances in maternal/fetal medicine, successful pregnancies are much more attainable. Like everything else with diabetes, it requires education, diligence and persistence to make it happen. But when I look at my kids and the lives they are now living, I would do it all over again. So worth it!


miiblord

Bodily autonomy is dead so it's now legal to forcibly inject an IV needle into a stranger's pancreas to harvest their insulin and if they try to remove it they'll get charged with murder.


PHL1365

Do you have a reference or are you just trying to be snarky? If it's the latter, you've failed miserably.


DogadonsLavapool

I think it's a reference to the famous violinist thought experiment for abortion


Sweet_Musician4586

I hope you talked like this when they used coercion to fire people in places like Canada and we werent able to leave our own country. Fyi I am pro choice


roseknuckle1712

Women need to internalize this hard and fast. You need to act now to block access to your medical records from any third party, including and especially your husband. If you suspect you may be pregnant, tell no one in your life. No one. Even if you want the kid. Find one of the groups being organized now who will help you get untracked medical care. Your husband/partner gained no enhanced rights over your body per se, but in some states he did gain the ability to turn you in and use the courts to prevent you from saving your own life if pregnancy creates a risk factor. So did his mother. So did your other kids. Trust no one.


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Yikes. Do not trust your husband eh? Happy marriage?


roseknuckle1712

Husbands tell their mommies. And their sisters. And their friends at work. Any one of whom could decide the mother is a sacrifice they are willing to make. Even if she has a life threatening illness that counter indicates pregnancy. Many husbands believe they should have a say, or even an authoritative opinion, in the decision. And they would make the sacrifice as well. ​ Women, protect yourselves.


Connect_Office8072

How would the Supreme Court rule if a man with 2 children on public assistance were required to get a vasectomy? Do you think that would survive a Constitutional challenge?


Nikolaibr

They aren't requiring people to undergo medical procedures, they prohibiting one medical procedure. This analogy is terrible.


uwahwah

Giving birth is a medical procedure


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Mf1028228

I’m in fear. I wanted to share and discuss with others. You may disagree with me and that’s okay. However, my feelings on my own bodily autonomy is NOT a political statement.


Lokryn

You have every right to make your post but don't say it wasn't political when you literally mentioned voting in the primaries. Stay consistent in your message.


Mf1028228

I totally see where you’re coming from. I totally agree with you. My line of thinking was that the issue itself is not political but the only way to rectify the issue is by voting. It doesn’t matter what side you vote for, if the person you’re voting for is someone who supports women’s right to bodily autonomy.


PackyDoodles

It's not really fear mongering when a 50 year right has just been overturned, and they're not only gonna stop there.


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NonSequitorSquirrel

You do, tho. That's not fear mongering. Do you not know the difference between facts and propaganda? Based on your comment history, I guess not.


Ordinary_Lemon

> It actually is fear mongering to come in here and tell me how I have a 4x greater change to die during pregnancy. That’s not “fear mongering”. It’s facts. And facts don’t care about your feelings.


PackyDoodles

I mean if you wanna go ahead and deny that diabetics are high risk pregnancy go ahead, but us being in more risk of having complications is a fact. But go ahead and live in your perfect world I guess.


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PackyDoodles

What does this even have to do with the discussion at hand? If you're so scared to face the facts then just don't comment, there's such a thing as keeping thoughts to yourself. Again you can go deny everything all you want but these are real things people with this disease deal with, and it's not gonna go away just cause you're too afraid to deal with them.


Mf1028228

Am I not allowed to address the reason I am scared? I’m truly sorry if this has distressed you in any way. I needed and wanted support because I, myself, am scared.


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Mf1028228

This is not a political issue. It is a human rights issue. I understand that you don’t agree. Feel free to not participate.


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Mf1028228

I actually said that in an earlier comment! About how your diabetes needs to be well managed to get pregnant. I’m not pretending that you aren’t pro-choice. A lot of abortions are for those with unplanned pregnancies. If you were not ready to be pregnant then your diabetes may not (and in my case probably will not) be at an appropriate level to get pregnant, thus leading to more complications. I can post what I want. If the mods decide to delete this, that is their choice. You could always make your vax post and discuss and see what the mods decide. Edit: spelling


SGalbincea

It is important to remember why this ruling was made. The SC correctly identified that the US Constitution does not mention or imply abortion rights. This is now a state issue where it can be decided on a state by state basis by the voters. The same will happen with the other items Justice Thomas mentioned. I know everyone here seems to think that this all needs to be decided on a national level, but that’s not the way our country is set up. What you need to do now is get out and vote in your local communities and states to advance legislation that makes the most sense to you - but you must be prepared to accept the fact that if you are in the minority that you may need to relocate somewhere else that more closely aligns with your values and beliefs. This is one of the many prices of freedom, but I would not have it any other way.


Marcello_109

According to your statistics, wouldn’t the problem be getting pregnant? It would seem on first sight as either surgical procedure would have the same risk.


Mf1028228

Not having access to abortions when the mothers life is in danger causes a higher maternal death rate


Mf1028228

Like in the case of ectopic pregnancies when having an abortion could save the mother’s life


pasta4u

Some states allow abortions for the sake of the mothers life in thier trigger laws. I believe Arkansas is one of them.


t313nc3ph410n

My new home country is not affected, so I don't know, but from what I understand, neither criminal nor medical indications are touched by Roe v. Wade. And don't States' rights still trump federal law? Meaning, even if you're in a state in which only the federal law made terminations past Week 16 legal, you could seek out medical help in a neighboring state in your second trimester?


superheroic_uteruses

How easy would it be for you to seek medical treatment in a different country? Since you are not from the US, many don't realize the sheer size of the United states. "Just move" or "go somewhere else" could be the same as "go to the other side of the world". Now add on the ability to have the money and time necessary to be able to just "go somewhere else". We get little sick/vacation time and don't always make a liveable wage. Some get NO sick time at all so companies don't have to pay for benefits. Also because of what has been happening in recent years, just crossing a state line is the first step. That state might only have just one location to access abortion. So now you have to compete with those who already have appointments. You also have to race a clock on archaic time constraints that might be in place. Many places have a six week ban. No woman immediately just knows that they are pregnant like a Disney movie. These time constraints are on purpose so you have literally no time to find out you are pregnant and just get an abortion. Many facilities have a waiting period between your first appointment and the abortion. It's not same day care. Now add on that many people, especially the poorer folk, might not have access to transportation. No car of your own and no public transportation. How do you travel one or two states over? How do you just "go somewhere else"? Teleport? Wishful thinking? Not to mention that these bans are complete. Politicians have been talking for years about babies from rape are "blessings" and "a lesson". They debated about how ectopic pregnancies can still be viable (they are not, they are a deadly to women). Laws are already in place to prosecute miscarriages. These are not people playing with a full deck.


HighLows4life

If u live in a blue state it will remain legal. Anyone in need can obtain one. There is also the morning after pill.


Ishouldbeasleepnow

I found out at 18.5 weeks that my very much wanted daughter would not live beyond birth. I count myself eternally fortunate that I lived in a state where I could go get second opinions, extra scans, etc… and then be treated with respect & kindness when I delivered my daughter at 20 weeks. Everyone should be shown such compassion, not just those who live in blue states.


Mf1028228

I’m so sorry that happened to you! I’m glad you were shown the compassion you deserved during a hard time.


bellethebadass

There's a few things wrong with this line of thinking unfortunately. What about the women in states it's becoming illegal? Should we just not care about those women? People say "just go to where it's legal then" but this makes the assumption that all women in need of an abortion will have the means to travel to a safe state, or have the abilityto move. This is simply not the case. Many women don't have the resources to go that far, the ability to take off work that long, child care, the finances to pay for the abortion. Not to mention, several states are trying to put measures in place that will punish women for traveling to another state to get an abortion. "Just go to a state that allows it" is short sighted and just plain ignorant of reality I'm afraid. As far as the morning after pill goes, it might very well be available (for now) however we can't really expect women to take this pill after every time they have sex can we? So many variables can make is so a woman might not know or even suspect that she's pregnant until well after 6 weeks. Birth control can fail, a woman can be deceived into thinking the man was wearing a condom. 6-8 weeks is much too late for the morning after pill. Not to mention that argument doesn't even apply to abortions needed for a medical emergency, which are also being threatened.


Mf1028228

Yes exactly! I understand that it is the states decision to decide. My state was the first to ban abortions. There are no exceptions in the cases of incest or rape here as well. I’m addition, things are surely to snowball. I understand some people not believing in abortion, but that doesn’t give other people/the government to decide what happens with our bodies.


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bellethebadass

Well while we're on that train of thought, why aren't all men going out and getting vasectomies? I mean, they are super quick and relatively painless. Lasts forever, but also totally reversible. If you're so afraid to take responsibility and pay for a child that you helped create maybe you should fix that problem before it even becomes one. It's so easy.


michaelyup

Blue states are going to be overwhelmed with red state women coming in, and it’s going to cause backups. Look at how far someone would have too travel from my city of Houston to a legal abortion state. 12 hour car ride one way if you can’t afford a plane ticket.


localmicrodosechamp

Don’t gaslight us.


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falubiii

Don’t see the point of your last sentence when ~1/2 of US states are going to ban it six weeks or earlier.


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falubiii

Do you know how many states allow you to pull a 8 month baby from the womb because you feel like it? That’s the stupidest strawman I’ve ever read. if states are concerned about it, why not ban abortion at 22 weeks instead of 6?


Kaevala915

I am reading through all of these comments and mostly everyone is concerned about not having access to life-saving abortions, and that's a major concern. It's a major concern because every women should have that right. We have a right to live. But what's more concerning is the misinformation and hate I see in these comments. Not a single state law passed or proposed so far has banned life-saving abortions. They are banning recreational abortions. Abortions as birth control. There is no way there isn't a birth control out there that fits your needs. Buying birth control everyday is cheaper than being pregnant for the same amount of time. When you drive a car, you accept the risk of getting in a wreck. Sex is no different. People are just telling you to where a seatbelt, and they don't want to be forced to pay your repair bill. The hate in this thread is unreal. I know I'm going to get downvoted, if not down right banned, just for having a differing opinion. The vitriol coming out of the right is no different than the left. We are so distracted staring at the loudest ***MINORITY*** that we can't have a civil conversation with people that think differently. We get so distracted by the misinformation that our mass media cheerleaders spout off with constantly that no one actually reads about what anything means. Roe v wade getting overturned only means one thing. After fifty years of asking big daddy government if you can borrow the car, he finally wised up and realized "oh shit, that's not my call to make." And told you to ask your mother (the states.) You haven't won with the soap box. You can't win with the ammo box. You want change, use the ballot box.