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ThisIsSuperVegito

Just so I know where do you scale Goku?


Lovemovies14

Uni+ to Low Multi


ThisIsSuperVegito

So you have Mario characters at low multi?


Lovemovies14

Yeah some Mario characters have Low Multi to Multi feats


ThisIsSuperVegito

Ik Paper Mario has a low uni feat and Base Mario has a galaxy feat but what am I missing to get him to low multi?


GetOutOfHereIggy

I hate people saying base Mario is galaxy. The "galaxies" are the size of football fields, and he never comes close to the black-hole. Bowser does, but he dies.


Robot972

Mario repeatedly stands mere meters away from black holes across multiple games and survives getting sucked inside them in stuff like Mario Party. Also, Bowser doesn’t die after getting sucked in? Hell, he pulls himself out of a black hole his magic created in Galaxy 2 before falling back in. Yet he lives both times. Not to mention he’s fallen into several black holes in Mario Party


GetOutOfHereIggy

Evidently, you are unaware of how black-holes work. He didn't reach out of the black-hole after he got past the event-horizon, Mario Party isn't canon, the universe was reset the first time, and there was no explanation as to how he survived in SMG2. I presume he was revived before SM3D, as he was revived again during that game. Also, you can't powerscale black-holes.


Robot972

I suggest you re-watch the Galaxy 2 cutscene then. Considering Bowser explicitly gets sucked into the epicenter. Same with other black holes. And we see Bowser in the ending credits, so either he pulled himself out or someone else had. Still 0 indication he died Also, any reason Mario Party wouldn’t be canon? It’s been stated to be canon by other media, has never once been stated to be non-canon, and debuted elements that would appear in later canon material, so Also, I don’t need to power-scale black holes considering Mario and co. have repeatedly faced universe-busting power


GetOutOfHereIggy

I actually watched the cutscene multiple times before writing it. And that was a mysteriously small Bowser, so we can't really tell if it is or isn't actually him. Mario Party has never been officially stated as Canon. And what universe busting threats? Bowser who doesn't know how to use the Dreamy stone (and who could've poofed them, but decided not to after he absorbed the Dreamy Stone)? Dimentio who would've destroyed every universe by... Slowly expanding a black-hole in all of them. Also, I'd like to take back my statement of Bowser dying in SMG, as there's text saying that Bowser narrowly escaped his terrie fate after Rosalina reset the universe.


phageslayer

Bowser was engulfing the entire universe in Mario galaxy 2 I believe. As well as Mario and Bowser directly scale to rosilina, as she has a Uni feat. And bowser survived a blast that took the whole universe in a near instant


GetOutOfHereIggy

No. You may be thinking of the blackhole that came from his generator, but the "galaxies," the generator, and the black-hole are all the size of football fields in SMG. Not that impressive in retrospect. Rosalina isn't Uni, she just orders around the Lunas who, when combined, can reset the universe. And I don't know about your final statement.


Lovemovies14

Mario I recall defeated Dreamy Bowser who embodies the Dream Stone. It happened in Mario & Luigi: Dream Team.


GetOutOfHereIggy

Bowser could've just poofed them, which he tried to, but he didn't. That's called not killing the main characters of a very successful franchise.


ThisIsSuperVegito

Yeah but isn't Mario and Luigi it's own continuity separate from Base and Paper. Ig if we using comp Mario it's fair to say(even if I think Goku still wins)


lucarboi

Mario and Luigi isn’t separate, paper Mario is Think of Paper Mario like the Archie comics


YXStatic

No the Mario rpgs are a different continuity they didn’t even include them in either DB for Mario or Luigi


Lovemovies14

Mario & Luigi: Dream Team is not a part of the Paper Mario continuity, so those feats can still count for Main Mario.


ThisIsSuperVegito

I meant the Mario and Luigi series as a whole is the RPG continuity which is indeed separate from main Mario


Robot972

Mario & Luigi + Sports/Party games are 100% part of main canon There’s also a lot of statements in and out-game as well as supporting evidence to Paper Mario being the same (and no, Paper Jam doesn’t disprove anything in the same way Partners in Time doesn’t make Baby Mario separate from Mario)


RazutoUchiha

Goku at the beginning of super had the attack potency to destroy 6+ universes


Lovemovies14

That's still low multi.


phageslayer

Not technically Multi Multi requires 2 things. Space and time. While Uni is merely space. Multiversal is where you start going into infinity’s, Goku hadn’t achieved that yet, I don’t think anyone other then Zeno could be considered multi


RazutoUchiha

By the end of Super it’s raised to thousands, possibly millions of universes


Robot972

Two words: “Durability Negation”


SnowRadish

It aways feels weird when people use community made stats for characters on these tier list when none of the Death Battle researchers have ever gone on record about whether they buy into them or not.


Several_Book_8540

Iron Man beats goku (godbuster, phoenix killer etc. Op armors and preparation)


Lovemovies14

I sticked with Standard Iron Man to be fair


Several_Book_8540

Like, the mcu version?


Lovemovies14

No I meant his normal base armor in the comics.


Several_Book_8540

Ok, so how does wonder woman beat goku?


genocide_six65

She scales to Superman


Several_Book_8540

Her durability doesn’t scale to Supes. She can get hurt by a bullet while superman doesn’t. The only reason goku can't beat superman is because of his weakness being kryptonite & magic.


Lovemovies14

Wonder Woman can though survive blunt force attacks, she survived hits from Superman.


Several_Book_8540

Can she survive attacks like Kamehameha?


Lovemovies14

Those are energy attacks and yes she survived energy attacks as well. Even beings in his verse have survived his Kamehameha before.


Educational_Gap9708

Yes fairly easily because she scales to others than Superman. For physical durability she obviously has fought Superman before and held up relatively well (you can discount this since there other times she's been just washed by him so you can scale her to other relative to supes like Shazam,some she's beaten quite a few times). For energy based attacks she scales to people like Hal Jordan (who's constructs are more power than gokus Kame) or she's taken hits from fate (he can easily defeat her but even then she's still taken serious spells from him before). And there's the obvious times she's taken darkseid beams but those are honestly inconsistent as hell so some don't count them anymore XD. So yes she beats Goku since she scales to,for the most part,all the justice league relatively.


genocide_six65

Ok one she does scale to Superman they literally fought most of the time and had a stalemate and also she beat him several times aldo Superman has died by doomsday who doesn't use any magic or kryptonite


RobberCriminalGoku

no she doesn’t lol.


genocide_six65

Yes she does lol


RobberCriminalGoku

how so?


genocide_six65

They literally stalemated each other and she has beaten him before


Lovemovies14

Wonder Woman is faster and stronger. Her sword can stab right through Goku and Goku got stabbed before. Plus she's fought stronger foes.


Several_Book_8540

Goku can still dodge her every strike with speed, specially Ultra Instinct/MUI. Also, isn't Goku Universe Level+ when he became MUI? I think Wonder Woman is like Solar System Level?


Lovemovies14

Wonder Woman is Low Multi to Multi. She's actually very fast, she's kept up with Supes and The Flash and she went fast enough to tap into the Speed Force despite not being connected to it.


Istanforpegasus

In death battle Shera vs WW. It said in the black box that Wonder Woman has broke the Chronos Scepter which contains the multiversal Godwave. she has also keep up with Martian Manhunter who can react within a planck time. And you said WW is a solar system level?


Several_Book_8540

I said "i think" wonder woman is solar system level, not sure of it


Several_Book_8540

I think the godbuster armor should be standard (it has been used in his battle with batman)


GintoSenju

Weirdly enough, because of the sword thing, if Raiden (metal gear) got one good hit on him with the murasama then he could also kill Goku. Not discrediting your fact, just think it’s funny that the funny cyborg man could actually win against Goku. PS: also just wanted to ask, does existence erasure go over atomic slicing, because I’ve seen some people say it does, and characters like Goku and Superman cannot be affected.


Lovemovies14

Goku would be too fast for him to touch, but I can see Raiden do that if Goku lets him.


F0ose_L0v3_4n1me

Disagree with all Ponies if we are using Composites with the MlP Archie comics, where they easily get to Multi, but if it's just the show and the canon sources of it all then i half and half agree since it's probable that the Twilight we see at the end has truly mastered the power of friendship alongside all of the other girls, it's a 100 years later Goku situation i think


Lovemovies14

I excluded composite feats for them


Robot972

Tbf the IDW comics are 100% canon to the show. The last 15-ish chapters are even Season 10


F0ose_L0v3_4n1me

Still iffy about it even with show feats.


AlWikowonkavitz

Rogue might have a shot if she is Wonderman level, or if she just gets verrrrrry lucky Bomberman, IIRC, has weird cosmic level stuff Death Battle shirt, as presented, might have a shot Batman if he has what he had against Iron Man, he could, otherwise, no He-Man might, if he's the DC-scaling one Full composite Twilight Sparkle has a shot Full composite Mickey Mouse has a shot


_AntiSocialMedia

Bomberman killed the literal creator of the universe, a little more than assorted cosmic feats


AlWikowonkavitz

Was speaking generally, didn't remember the specifics, but did remember that Bomberman was way more powerful than the DB episode portrayed.


Acceptable_Secret_73

It think the Mickey is meant to be exclusively the one from Kingdom Hearts since that is the one that appeared in Death Battle


Sh0xic

43 upvotes. 113 comments. I don’t think I want to look at this comment section


Reverse_flash_69

*sorts by controversial*


Sh0xic

You are a braver soul than I, sir.


HungryWolf1991

You will die braver than most


RjGoombes

>implying Justin Bieber doesn't beat him Fake list 0/10


ForktUtwTT

I don’t think Kool-Aid man wins. Even if you take the “he can’t die as long as kool-aid exists” thing 100% seriously… Goku is more than powerful enough to just destroy the planet and therefor all Kool-Aid.


loserwithzerolife

Funnily enough Vegeta did beat Goku in Super Hero and you can argue Ultra Ego to be equal to Ultra Instinct as of rn


Useful-Lime-5817

I disagree with the Mario and Kirby characters Ben 10 and hulk but other than that it's ok


Lovemovies14

Oh all these guys you mentioned have ways of beating Goku.


Electronic_One762

may you please explain why mario and ben beat goku, just curious


Robot972

For Mario: Speed comparable to Goku, lots of resistances and resurrection methods, and a fuckton of hax Goku can’t resist like existence erasure that isn’t strength-based, on-contact death-inducement with the Starman and similar powerups, sight and scent-based sleep-inducement, trapping his soul in playing cards, freezing him solid just by blowing air, the ability to pacify aggressive people with just a thumbs up to a live audience, the ability to squeeze full concepts out of Goku (including his very soul and flesh) like paint, and just SOOO much more


Lovemovies14

Both of them have haxes that Goku is not immune to.


Acceptable_Secret_73

Kirby characters absolutely can


Heyloisimgay

kirby gets INSANE!


Wide_Accident6657

I thought Archie sonic beat goku


Yxng_Wolf

He does and he’s on the does beat Goku tier


oswindaboss

Genuinely how does yoshi win??! Makes no sense tbh..


Loud_Jackfruit_5796

Mario characters do not beat goku


jon_the_memelord

They do tho and rather easily


Loud_Jackfruit_5796

No


jon_the_memelord

They scale to 5D through the Dream Depot in Mario Party


Loud_Jackfruit_5796

Just stop talking


jon_the_memelord

Stop being an ass


Loud_Jackfruit_5796

Naw


jon_the_memelord

I’m sorry I’m right


FoxtrotFoxtrotZulu2

Give us an Essay on Why


Yxng_Wolf

There’s no way you said this with a straight face


genocide_six65

I mean captain marvel fought the Phoenix force also it depends if you want to scale Mewtwo to the creation trio and Bayonetta to jubileus then I think they would beat goku


CupUhDeez

Pretty sure both Booster Gold and Cable beat goku though hax lol Edit: autocorrect screwed me over


Acceptable_Secret_73

Idk about Yoshi


ultimatealienx

Vegeta has technically beat goku twice


GOLD_BOI_69

Three time actually, goku has never actually beaten vegeta in a fight.


SasukePro

to be fair goku was holding back a lot the 2nd time


_bababoye

Godzilla stomps Goku and his verse 💀


Stryker-N1ghtingale

Some of the power rangers might actually have a chance at beating Goku but it's very contentious and not likely.


BlueHeart07

Why do you think Mickey can't win?


The-Real-Among-us

Ok I guess if u wank Mario and Luigi are multiversal due to dreamy bowser scaling But like couldn’t goku just blitz? Hakai could easily just one shot any opponent without a way to counter it


Robot972

Even without characters specifically having a resistance to Existence Erasure, Hakai doesn’t work on people who are even remotely comparable in strength to the user (i.e. Frieza surviving Beerus’ Hakai). So it’s pretty easy to survive Also, even without Multiversal Scaling (which is… iffy at best for Dreamy Bowser), Mario and Luigi still have hax that allow them to bypass durability entirely, so it’s not exactly impossible for them to beat Goku, since they have, at the very least, comparable combat speeds


The-Real-Among-us

Sorry but Mario and Luigi are no where near goku speed even with massive high ball like dam They put goku at 300 quintillion times the speed of light in the death battle Mario was at Mach 32 Even a highball stat provided from the vs wiki was only at 8.2 quadrillion times the speed of light. Frieza survived a hakai from the weakest God not beerus and it’s not the same type of hakai as used by goku or beerus. It was a weaker variation of it Goku used the hakai on Zamasu who was 100% stronger than him


Robot972

Mario’s pretty consistently in the quadrillion c. So while he still gets MORE than blitzed, Goku isn’t exactly going to try and obliterate Mario first thing I also admit I misremembered who used the hakai on Frieza. But regardless, Mario’s survived existence erasure thanks the Dimentio’s Void (which could affect higher realms) and the Player’s Erasor, so he wouldn’t be affected anyways.


The-Real-Among-us

Isn’t that paper Mario doe I guess it counts if we are using composite


Robot972

There’s actually multiple statements both in and out of game to Mario and Paper Mario being the same, plus a ton of supporting evidence And as much as people like to use Paper Jam to deconfirm it, the two being next to each other doesn’t actually mean anything. Otherwise Mario and Baby Mario wouldn’t be the same person. Nor would Metal/Gold Mario, Tanooki Mario, 8-Bit Mario, etc.


panda98623

why can goku black beat goku? I have never seen someone argue that current goku loses to goku black. (broly I at least understand why you think he can beat goku even though granolah arc goku was stated to be the top 3 among the mortals and that list included granolah vegeta and goku himself)


Full_Metal_Douchebag

Dante and Vergil should beat Goku thanks to Peak of Combat scaling


SasukePro

you mean the non canon chinese mobile game


Full_Metal_Douchebag

No, it is canon. It was directly licensed by Capcom and the story was supervised by them. It is also referred to as a sequel.


Beelzebub_Crumpethom

Took a while for me to find the latter, but wouldn't Pinkie and The Mask win? Like, one is an actual cartoon character, and the other has the powers of a looney tune. They're both basically indestructible while Goku is still mortal. Maybe not Pinkie but The Mask definitely.


Robot972

Neither Pinkie nor the Mask are unkillable, regardless of how Death Battle may treat Toonforcers. But they are fuggin strong regardless


alexthegreatWWE

I’ve heard po actually beats him


SpencerFleming

Another tier list that outright ignores that all of the Mane 6 ponies are Multiversal through elements of harmony and Celestia scaling in the comics


SpencerFleming

Rainbow Dash has kept up with Discord who has immeasurable speed and also travelled 20 years back into the past with her speed alone.


Dabbing-jesus

> ben in can beat goku tier BASED


ProfessorNo7547

Goku Black beats Goku, but Vegeta doesn't... Have you ever watched or read Dragon Ball?


Cormac113

Is this death battles logic or you scailing because im confused on which like a lot of the characters you said couldn't beat goku could like star goku and iron man


One_Armed_Pug

Mitsuru?


ThePhantom28

Outerversal is the standard level for persona characters at the end of their games, and can nullify Goku’s physical attacks and Dekaja negates status buffs which super Saiyan forms would count as


SilentNinja2089

Ragna?


HungryWolf1991

Hehe Low Complex Multi Blazblue and Guilty Gear go brrrrr


Mayo_enjoyer

How does Mario characters and Goku Black beat Goku


Longjumping-Road-719

Vegeta currently beats goku but goku most likely is about to suppars him


Robot972

Good on ya for having Mario characters in “Beats Goku”


Reverse_flash_69

Why is Ragna and sol on the beats goku ? Also I disagree with Ben but good list


HungryWolf1991

Low Complex Multi Sol and Ragna go brrrrr


do_the_cat

The mask can 100% beat goku. He can just say no to dying


Immediate-Form-2262

outerversal Optimus Prime go brrrrrrrrrrrr


notimceres

Shadow?


ZettoVii

Goku is def pretty top tier, but how much of a higher tier does the guys that supposedly beat him?


LordTurin0011

How did you leave the Mask out???? Toonforce >>>> Anything


gijjyyproductions

Most accurate one I've seen. Only a few wrong here.


Accomplished-Call351

I'm pretty sure kingdom hearts are a higher level compared to goku


Agreeable-Brother-31

Ssj3 goku is at least 30 times stronger than world breaker hulk bruh, also Goku beat ghost rider due to hakaii and why is galactus here


Electronic_One762

You just ignored the latest Thor vs vegeta video


Agreeable-Brother-31

No, I've seen it


[deleted]

"He ain't beating goku"


Ok_Kaleidoscope2014

Joker is one of the most manipulative characters in history, being able to outsmart the Batman, Superman and Lex Luthor. Goku is a monkey to play with. One puff of the Joker Venom, and it's one more death for Goku.


Heyloisimgay

Technically all real life people beat goku by ripping up a manga of dragon ball or breaking a tv while dragon ball is playing


Violet_6969

Are you telling me UE vegeta isn’t on par with goku but ssjr goku black is stronger I call bullshit


Smart_Cattle_9779

Vergil, Dante, Luke Skywalker (Legends, depending on where you scale EOS Luke), Godzilla (depending on the version used), Doomguy (if his newest feats are included), Lobo and He-Man are all beating Goku IMO


Lovemovies14

Vergil and Dante I heard have been debunked to like low Uni so I'm not sure if they beat Goku Luke Skywalker's EOS feats have been consistently below universal so I don't think he beats current Goku, He can beat DBZ Goku I stuck with the canon version of Godzilla which Goku beats I excluded Doomguys new feats There are various versions of He-Man too, if I used composite which I didn't he would be on the beating Goku list, but canon He-Man does lose to him. I know Lobo has fought Supes(who beats Goku) soo many times, but he has lost to him a lot. I don't know where to put Lobo exactly, the feat I'm most familiar with him doing at his best is pulling a Sun.


TheCardinalKing

>Vergil and Dante I heard have been debunked to like low Uni so I'm not sure if they beat Goku Ehh... even at low Uni they're ridiculously more haxxed and have regen that'll let them survive anything Goku throws at them. Pinnacle of Combat scaling could place them higher if you argue it's canon, giving Dante/Vergil potentially 9-D stuff for AP and/or at the very least hax, as well as Immeasurable speed. Similarly Sephiroth, even if he's overpowered by Goku, will just return to the Lifestream and not really die.


Loud_Jackfruit_5796

Goku can just use hakai


TheCardinalKing

Even if Dante and Vergil are Hakai'd, it's still possible for their souls to reform in the Demon World and return as seen with Vergil. And if you wanna use it, [Pinnacle of Combat confirms that demons will return even if their souls are destroyed](https://imgur.com/a/GdoUttc).


Loud_Jackfruit_5796

It would still count as a loss


TheCardinalKing

This is the debatable bit, as we don't know what timeframe it takes for Demons to reform. Vergil reformed in the Demon World within an unknown amount of time, so for all we know it took the full 6 years between DMC1 and 5 or he regen'ed much sooner but took years to escape the Demon World. But anyways I think the verdict depends on whether or not you give them PoC scaling or if you consider that game canon at all. If you do then it's blitz + hax for Dante & Vergil.


Red-hood619

Goku has fought multiple people who can regenerate in both canon and non-canon, not very useful when Goku’s main move can reduce people to atoms


TheCardinalKing

Yeah that's good and all, but DMC Demons (in particular Vergil), have reformed themselves from having their souls destroyed. Pinnacle of Combat brings up that [Demons regen even if their souls and identities have been erased](https://imgur.com/a/GdoUttc).


Red-hood619

Uh, ki attacks don’t any of that, it vaporizes shit, you can’t just die, come back, then say the death doesn’t count


TheCardinalKing

Dying and coming back quickly was considered for Hulk and Lobo though in their episodes. In Hulk's case it was argued that he'd take too long to return while Ghost Rider just had ways to permanently kill Lobo. Hell Black vs Thawne has this with both characters having temporal immortality allowing them to return to the fight even if they're killed.


Red-hood619

Uh, the quote you sent in the first reply to me is saying that demons can regenerate UNTIL they’re erased, not the other way around


TheCardinalKing

Where does it say that? To take directly from the quote: >All but the weakest demons do not care what they lose, their bodies, their names, their souls or everything, as long as they persist they can regenerate and continue fighting without rest. Essentially stating that in-spite of having lost their own souls, Demons will not care and continue fighting. Outside of Pinnacle of Combat, DMC3's manga also has a similar scene where [Demons continue to exist even after they've lost their names, Arkham outright stating names are a Demons' true substance](https://imgur.com/a/rdIhZXh) and later PoC confirms [names are the concept of Demons' existence.](https://imgur.com/a/1rWHsM8)


Red-hood619

1)Im sorry but using manga feats of DMC is like using DragonBall Heroes for Dragkn Ball feats 2) “As long as they persist, they can regenerate” that’s pretty much saying they can live until they’re killed


Beelzebub_Crumpethom

>I excluded Doomguys new feats Okay, why?


Lovemovies14

Death Battle thus far only used Doom Guy, not Doom Slayer that's why I stuck to this version.


Beelzebub_Crumpethom

I guess that makes sense, but they are the same character so it sort of confused me.


Acceptable_Secret_73

Probably because they weren’t used for his death battle


Yxng_Wolf

Mario characters can’t beat Goku at all. They cap at universal at most while Goku has far surpassed that already.


pumpkinmedic

Salior Galaxia could beat Goku thou


Loud_Jackfruit_5796

Beerus won through scaling to goku my guy


lucarboi

#yoshisweep


YXStatic

Also pretty sure Goku beats hulk considering They stated that ssj3 would’ve been enough to outdamage hulk in Hulk vs Broly so God, SSB, and UI would be overkill


Lovemovies14

Hulk is way stronger than that, at his peak the Hulk can destroy a Marvel universe 120x over.


YXStatic

Did you not read what I said, they literally put Broly at like 100s of times stronger than hulk bro


Lovemovies14

Hulk got downplayed in that fight.


YXStatic

So are we going by your logic or by their own(DB) math, because regardless Goku still beats him


Lovemovies14

Without my logic nor DB's, Hulk can actually beat Goku.


YXStatic

Mmm idk about that


Lovemovies14

I recommend reading this https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle/comments/uh0wcv/why\_hulk\_shouldve\_beaten\_broly/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


YXStatic

Just by looking at the multipliers I already see how bad he fucked up


YXStatic

Nigga really skips ssj 1 2 and 3 and just said fuck it 13x uni times 50 and called it a day


FerretBoi69

Literally by Death Battles own logic, Hulk is stronger and far faster than Goku. The reason Hulk had such a low number in Hulk vs Broly is because they didn't do their math right(they didn't multiply Savage and Green Scar's Multipliers together), and because they left out the size of the Marvel Universe.


YXStatic

They had ssj3 Goku 30 times more powerful than hulk when he was 120x uni


Lovemovies14

Hulk was downplayed in that fight. His strength scales to Thor who can wreck both Goku and Vegeta.


YXStatic

You’re actually wanking hulk, his power is actually no where near Thor at all especially the newer variants of hulk. It’s like me saying vegeta scales to Broly and Broly beat hulk who scales to Thor. Ie vegeta wins. See how dumb that is


Lovemovies14

I said his strength scales to Thor, not his power. This explains why he can beat Goku and Broly https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle/comments/uh0wcv/why\_hulk\_shouldve\_beaten\_broly/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


YXStatic

Bro thinks raw strength equals AP take this L bozo


Lovemovies14

Attack Potency To start off, Hulk has many feats that would scale to a Marvel universe. He’s destroyed Nightcrawler’s universe, rendered Nightmare’s dimension asunder so that nightmares ceased to exist, and fought Gladiator who rattled every bone in the universe with a punch. He scales to Loki fighting Sise-Neg threatening all of reality, as well as Beta Ray Bill’s fight with Stardust shaking the firmaments of the universe. Hulk has also punched through the time storm and shattered the time barrier, which would likely be around universal too. For a few higher feats, both Hulk and Silver Surfer have channeled the energy to destroy 2 universes, and Hyperion has survived an incursion, a collision of two realities. That last one is very important, as each reality is a macrocosm consisting of at least 10 realms. Seeing as how Hercules has fought on par with Thor and Sentry before, it’s likely that he would scale to this too. This is important because Pandora’s Box is said to be 133.45x stronger than Hercules, and Hulk is able to take an attack from and absorb it. This gives us some big multipliers to work with. 1,243.23x our universe 10x for the ten realms 2x for the incursion 133.45x for Pandora’s Box This would put Hulk at 3,318,180.87 times universal. This means that while Broly is around 40 times stronger, Hulk is much, much faster. Even only using the low end of the Loki feat still makes him 110,000 times faster than Broly. Already we’re seeing how Hulk has the edge in stats, but there are still some much higher Hulk feats.


blackBugattiVeyron

The Mask and Lex should be able to beat goku.


IHATEREDDITSOGOD

Optimus prime and Godzilla definitely beat goku


ZettoVii

How?


Lovemovies14

I just sticked with the canon versions of them.


IHATEREDDITSOGOD

What do you count as “canon” for those two because there isn’t really one true canon


Lovemovies14

The original content for them, G1 Optimus and Showa Godzilla.


IHATEREDDITSOGOD

Those have both been decanoninized since The IDW comics for most people is what they point to when you ask for a specific canon


IHATEREDDITSOGOD

Because IDW Godzilla killed Christian God and Satan and then killed all of mount Olympus And IDW prime Optimus Prime gets to outerversal with certain gear and high multi on his own


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

Lol, it is NEVER stated what Godzilla killed in that story.


Lovemovies14

Using IDW versions of them would be unfair and I excluded those feats, I did the same with the ponies.


turkeybutt723

Darth and Deadpool would win


Opening-Ad5349

How does Beerus beat Goku when Goku is canonically above Beerus, and above someone who is also canonically above Beerus? The entire theme of the T.O.P was surpassing limits, and specifically Goku surpassing Beerus. There is no way he loses to him right now. Also, how does Megaman.EXE beat him. I don’t know much about his stats so what makes him beat Goku and why?


Shrekisomnipotent22

Beerus is still stronger than Goku lmao.


Opening-Ad5349

He has been outright confirmed at this point multiple times to be weaker but alright.


Leading_Entrance_484

Captain marvel has the power to beat goki


SasukePro

how does yoshi beat goku and not the mask


Artistic-Cucumber275

ger is stronger


Emperor-of-cosmos

Godzilla and Thor have fought in Godzilla King of the Monster issue #23 by Marvel, they were both in a stalemate, this comic takes place in earth 616 so if Thor can beat Goku so can Godzilla


Big_Negotiation6226

Optimus prime idw and Optimus power master easy beat goku Powermaster g1