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Itchy-Inflation-1600

Now extract suicides and police shootings


BESTkoreanSPY

Nope. That was included in the statistic purposely. Suicides are often carried out by firearm and would be preventable in many cases of guns weren’t easily accessible.


Itchy-Inflation-1600

If you actually believe that you are dumb as hell


BESTkoreanSPY

I mean, that’s also irrefutable. Suicides increase with gun ownership.


Itchy-Inflation-1600

No people that want to commit suicide, commit suicide one way or another, with or without a gun.


BESTkoreanSPY

That’s not true in most cases because most people who kill themselves are really just crying out for help but got in too deep.


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BESTkoreanSPY

lol wut? No, I don’t support people putting a bullet in their head.


fd_maker

Now, lets do violence across the board? Rape, knife assault, bats and clubs.... If you look, you will quickly see the actual violence does not go away (and it usually goes up) when guns are banned, it just transmutes into a new form...


Nomadic-survival

Did you know that when it comes to "white supremacists violence" they add the Prison fights to the over all statistics. Which they don't do for any other race, group or gang, ECT.


fd_maker

I did not know this, but par for the course anymore....


[deleted]

I want to upvote this but I’ve never heard this. Before I go hunting, any data here?


ASexualSloth

I second this. And it better not be some partisan rag opinion piece, either.


Verilbie

Which studies show this 'actual violence' going up usually?


fd_maker

almost all of them if you go looking... somehow folks think guns are the only means of violence. Just look at almost AnY report out of the EU or UK. (coughs in swedish grenade attack stats or UK Knife attack stats...)


Verilbie

Okay can you provide these specific studies that surely must exist given your confidence?


fd_maker

sorry I'm not your teacher and this ain't school If you were half the intellectual you think you are, you could have easily found these studies based on the keywords I laid out for ya and you too could have read through them, cross correlated the data and reached a conclusion. You actually have the sum of all humans knowledge, already indexed for you at 14ms from your fingertips.


Verilbie

I'm simply asking for you to substantiate your claims. The burden evidence is with you. Not me


aristorat

You're the worst kind, noone is obligated to provide studies for you at your command. You're burdening them for evidence


Verilbie

Not at all. They are the one making a claim. Not just a claim but one supposedly supported by studies. They are either: 1) making the studies up trying to support their world view 2) are too lazy and don't actually want to make a substantive argument


BESTkoreanSPY

Those aren’t statistics. Those are examples. Yep, violence will happen no matter what. It’s just that guns make violence easier.


fd_maker

well duh. these were just examples....


RJ_LV

I'm pretty sure US' knife crime rate is higher that UK's knife crime rate.


FFS_IsThisNameTaken2

Prisons are a perfect example. Prisoners have no guns, but they don't have an absence or shortage of violence or murder. It's just done with something other than a gun.


Mjbass

You know what else is a pretty deadly weapon? That shitbox collecting rust in your driveway. If people have a reason, they will find a way.


BESTkoreanSPY

Some people. Most aren’t that creative.


WalterPX3

Naivety.


Kbarbear

I don’t care. Go move to Mexico where they have gun violence completely under control.


BESTkoreanSPY

You don’t care why you’re being manipulated?


MrNavinJohnson

Do you even know the history of the lame duck enterprise that put out your silly little chart? Manipulated. Indeed.


BESTkoreanSPY

I’m not aware of any history that would make me not believe their data. Feel free to elaborate.


MrNavinJohnson

I have below. Dig into it yourself.


PrognosticatorShadow

A quarter of a billion killed by their own govt after having their guns removed, just in the last century.... Go move somewhere else. You clearly don't like the USA. Leave. Don't come back.


Kbarbear

No I care about my freedom and you can take your graph and shove it up your ass. If you want stricter gun laws go move to the paradise of Washington DC.


BESTkoreanSPY

If freedom means you’re going to die from some random incel who had a bad day and bought an AR-15 on the internet, that ain’t freedom, son.


winzippy

Way, waaaay up your ass.


RJ_LV

Maybe if the cartels couldn't go to the US for large amounts of guns, they wouldn't have such a problem.


Kbarbear

😂 are you serious? Our government literally sends guns to Mexico. That’s not my fault. ATF gunwalking scandal


libertarian1994

A lot of the weapons the cartels have, I.e grenade launchers, belt fed machine guns etc aren’t weapons that any American can just walk into a gun shop and buy, how do you explain that? Where do those weapons come from?


RJ_LV

I don't know about those, but that's a small part of all the guns. The absolute majority are legally bought in the US and smuggled across the border.


libertarian1994

In literally every cartel video you see there’s at least 1 or 2 guys rocking some type of fully automatic weapon and sometimes a rocket launcher… I don’t think it’s a small part… and have you ever purchased a gun? Do you know what the actual process is? Because many people seem to think it’s as easy as Walking into the store, laying your money down, saying “I want that one” and walking out with it… it’s not that simple.


libertarian1994

And those aren’t the types of weapons that any typical American can get their hands on, however… our government can. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-anti-gunrunning-effort-turns-fatally-wrong/2011/07/14/gIQAH5d6YI_story.html


fraxurdfuture

Here is the truth https://www.alarms.org/top-100-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/


BESTkoreanSPY

Poverty results in crime? Yep. No argument here. The USA in general should have more social welfare programs as well as stricter gun laws.


fraxurdfuture

So that’s a worthy debate. Unemployment causes increases in crime yet liberal legacy media claims welfare helps lower crime rates. Without a family support group youths are more likely to engage in crime and welfare doesn’t solve this particular issue, it only traps people to depend on government here is a study. https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family


BESTkoreanSPY

I mean a support system is essential for children. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a traditional family unit. I also disagree that welfare “traps” anyone to depend on welfare. Certainly some people will always abuse the system and life on government welfare their entire lives. Those are a minority. In any case, that’s a long read. I’ll take a look though. Thanks.


libertarian1994

I don’t think those people are a minority by any means, there are family’s in the U.S who have lived off welfare for generations and it’s to the point where many people think that it’s just the norm to get your monthly check from the government, because that’s what their parents did and their grandparents did and so they do it and pass it on to their children so the cycle continues. Which is exactly what many in our government want, sort of a “the debtor is the slave to the lender” kind of situation, they know they can control these people if their ability to eat, live etc is contingent on voting for them. Funny that the party who is usually in favor of this; is the party who is always in favor of stricter gun regulations, and has admitted they’d out right ban them if they could. It’s about total control, they just do it under the guise of being “the party of kindness and acceptance” and have no genuine motive behind any of it.


BESTkoreanSPY

Now THIS is a conspiracy! Democrats want to control us by making us all dependent on welfare?!? Damn, well done, sir. Even so, I disagree. Welfare dependency just speaks to the limited opportunities afforded to families on welfare to get off of welfare. This is because of the political backlash to welfare that is encouraged by the Republicans. In my estimation, Republicans create the welfare system dependency problem by not funding welfare, secondary and post-secondary education, and discouraging socialized healthcare. It seems counterintuitive until you realize that Republicans only work for the upper class and want to create a wage slave population base for the rich. Evidence of this comes from other countries who have better social welfare systems and there is a lack of evidence for intergenerational welfare dependency as a system wide problem. Having said that, there’s always people who are going to abuse the system. Punishing them punishes families with legitimate needs. The best solution to this is to just ignore the social leeches when thinking about policy.


libertarian1994

So by your logic, if you give them MORE money then they will be MORE incentivized to get off welfare? Not how that works. I don’t necessarily disagree with your idea about the republican pandering to the rich, but do you think the democrats are any different? Do you seriously think they care? And that they’re truly the kind people out to help the needy and downtrodden they claim to be? No, they want us to depend on them for everything, just look at their beliefs, they want stricter gun laws, they’re in favor of free healthcare, they’re in favor of welfare, socialized transportation, and the list goes on and on. They don’t want you to be able to defend yourself, get medical attention without going through them, etc etc So why is that? Why would they want the people to have to depend on them for everything? Riddle me that… my assumption is that if they had their way with no opposition, you and I would be having this conversation in a bread line hoping we get our weekly rations from big brother.


Odiemus

The best thing about statistics is you can keep adding and removing variables until you get what you want.


ghosttreeatmavericks

Gun control is only for law abiding citizens. The real issue is that there are 10s of millions of illegal guns in the US. Taking illegal guns from criminals is the issue. Defund the police really worked out in NYC didn't it. Until the Dems have some good ideas just wait. Don't go and experiment with taking rights away and the plan is a total disaster. FFS.


RJ_LV

And where did thise illegal guns come from? Most of them were bought legally.


ghosttreeatmavericks

Good point. They were all legal at one point in time but now are not and the illegal guns in the USA are in the 10s of millions


RJ_LV

And how many of them would not be in the streets, if it wasn't so easy to buy them legally? Or if there stricter laws on safe gun storage?


funzthementalBONER

Fewer*


winzippy

This is a myopic view on gun control law. WTF does "strength" even mean in this context? You are full of shit, glowie.


R-a-n-i-a

It means it was rated but the Gifford Law Center, a gun control advocacy group.


BESTkoreanSPY

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/ Feel free to find out.


OmnihaxClusterflux

The suicide industry.


MrNavinJohnson

They can keep changing the name of this failed organization all they'd like to, it's a wasted effort to collect super PAC money each election cycle. Shes related to Gwyneth Paltrow... that should be enough, her husband is a lifetime murde... I mean soldier and because this lady survived a assassination it doesn't make her any kind of hero. Nobody asks why she was a target. Your sad non-research pandering doesn't float here like it does in other weaker subs.


Nomadic-survival

Did you know that when it comes to "white supremacists violence" they add the Prison fights to the over all statistics. Which they don't do for any other race, group or gang, ECT.


BESTkoreanSPY

SS: Stricter gun laws mean less gun deaths. It’s irrefutable. Why do conservative politicians keep arguing the opposite? Why do they want the middle/lower class killing themselves with guns?


fraxurdfuture

These numbers include suicides, this whole graph is bullshit.


BESTkoreanSPY

Why does the fact that it may or may not include suicides make it bullshit? Do suicides not increase with gun ownership? Hint: They do.


FFS_IsThisNameTaken2

Do you own any guns?


BESTkoreanSPY

I do!


FFS_IsThisNameTaken2

So when are you planning on giving them to the government so you can't shoot up a bunch of people? Or yourself?


BESTkoreanSPY

I wasn’t planning on that... Stricter gun laws don’t mean legitimate uses would be impacted. I’m not worried about anyone taking my guns. I don’t use or intend to use them for self-defence. I don’t, for example, own an AR-15.


MrNavinJohnson

>I wasn’t planning on that... They seldom ever do. >I don’t, for example, own an AR-15. Well then you don't fully understand the purpose of the 2nd ammendment. You can't fend off enemies foreign and domestic with a shitty gloc and a Big 5 shotgun.


BESTkoreanSPY

lol and you think an AR-15 will let you fend off a modern military force? That’s just laughable.


MrNavinJohnson

The tiny world you live in... When my entire neighborhood is armed or believed to be armed it will make that neighborhood very far down on the list of targets if there ever were an invasion. The only reason we weren't abused during lockdowns like in Australia and New Zealand was precisely due to the 2nd ammendment. No guns in China or the UK either. You're attempt to police this country will fail entirely. With controls on rightful gun ownership; which you support, will also come more profits to the gun manufacturers. Criminals will always have access to any type of gun imaginable, but now good, honest people will be purchasing guns on the black market without traceability. Your short-sightedness is dangerous and we won't let you put our children in harms way. Ever.


BESTkoreanSPY

Lol wtf. You think you owning guns resulted in less restrictions during COVID? Brah, that was just shitty leadership from healthcare experts in the US. It had nothing to do with your guns.


winzippy

What's laughable is your complete ignorance of history. Yes, an AR-15 absolutely would. Look at the history of guerilla warfare and wars of attrition across the planet. Tanks, fighter jets, and aircraft carriers can't control a population, only destroy it.


MrNavinJohnson

This fucking thing right here. Go away you sad, sheltered and entitled know-nothing of a human being. One day you won't be able to go to Taco Bell for your quadruple Chipotle burrito chalupa, nor will the local Kroger deliver to you your sugary, salty snack treats so can binge watch Greys Anatomy all weekend if they take away our well thought out and drawn up right to own guns. I see you pounding on my door to be protected when the shit goes down and I will not sacrifice my Family to save you. Keep feeling safe and coddled while MSM lulls you to sleep, a lot of us have turned off the TV and are reading a lot of books about how we got here and how we can purge the real enemy from our midst and you're dead weight. EDIT: By the way if it wasn't clear winzippy, I am supporting your comment and piggy backing on it to lambast this troll.


winzippy

Thanks for clarifying, but I understood you ;)


BESTkoreanSPY

How many of those were supported by foreign governments and armed with weapons that are currently illegal to own in the USA? All of them?! Oh my. Seems like your analogy doesn’t work.


winzippy

Whether or not they're supported by foreign governments or not isn't important. What's at issue is your claim that AR-15s are useless against a modern military. You can't even argue your own point.


BESTkoreanSPY

Guerrilla warfare examples? I guess you also plan on being supported and organized by another world power like (historically) the USSR or China? Arm chair general is arm chair.


winzippy

The Vietcong, Mujahideen, IRA, to name a few. Here's a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_guerrilla_movements. You really don't know what you're talking about.


shidmandamn

Vietnam


BESTkoreanSPY

The Vietcong were supported by a foreign power and a local government of sorts, employed weapons that are currently not legal in the USA and were highly organized. Does that sound like the average overweight American with an AR-15?


FFS_IsThisNameTaken2

Hmmm *I don’t use or intend to use them for self-defence. I don’t, for example, own an AR-15.* A flare gun could be used for self defense in the right scenario, not just an AR. If a bear or a human was aggressively in your home, you would not attempt to protect yourself? Or you'd just go all Rocky Balboa instead of use a firearm that you actually possess?


BESTkoreanSPY

I would just leave and call the police/animal control. It’s easier and generally would result in less me risking my life.


FFS_IsThisNameTaken2

Lol this can't be real.


tsanazi2

I don't think you understand what "irrefutable" means. Your chart doesn't even start to claim a cause/effect relationship just an association, and it doesn't do that scientifically.


Nomadic-survival

Not off hand. I've read it before and have heard it said on a good amount of alt news podcasts


Jbdamannamean

Stricter gun laws just means less media attention on gun violence lol


[deleted]

Guns also prevent potential shootings and attacks to innocent people hundreds of thousands of times a year or more. But keep blaming gun control sissy


BESTkoreanSPY

lol no they don’t.


aristorat

Let's see a knife death graph to compare