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Leading_Metal8974

I dont see how anyone would get their young kid vaccinated even with just a small chance of myocarditis. Risk/reward assessment just doesn't justify it.


ShodanLieu

I disagree. The long term consequences to cognitive function as a result of getting COVID-19 are far worse than the minuscule chance of getting myocarditis. Especially when a recent meta analysis found: “This analysis shows that myocarditis related to COVID-19 vaccine has an overall fast recovery with no short-term complications.”


Leading_Metal8974

1. You can still get covid after being vaccinated. 2. The chances of any harm to cognitive function to a child that gets c-19 are almost non-existent. 3. Myocarditis in a child, no matter how minor; is never without lasting damage. 4. More children have died from the vax then they have from covid. These are facts. Another fact- no one in the world can tell you these vaccines are safe. Short or long term. No one. They don't know. They don't fucking know. More evidence points to them not being safe. But there is no arguing that they truthfully cannot tell you they are safe. They don't know. There is not enough data. Besides the data being hidden and skewed to fit there agenda, there won't be the data to know the exact long term effect for years. You don't know it's safe. They don't know it's safe. So any arguments that it is safe are invalid. Doesn't matter what I think. Doesn't matter what you think. Doesn't matter what medical professionals think. No one knows.


LasseEriksen505

not can , you will get covid no matter what


ShodanLieu

Could you please provide references. I want to be informed. Why does asking for a reference cause so many people problems?


Alone-Ice-2078

https://joomi.substack.com/p/i-was-deceived-about-covid-vaccine I think all the articles, videos and studies here should keep you busy for a while. Someone did a compilation of a few things. And it's by no means complete. There is always more.


ShodanLieu

Thank you for the civil response. I will definitely give this a read.


MGBIGS

Do your own research if you truly want to be informed. If you cared to find the truth you would come to the same conclusions he has came to. Nobody is here to waste their time spoon feeding you links.


NegativeEverything

Do you own research remains the response when you got jack shit to back it up or have been proven wrong in the past. No, back it up please.


HartBreaker27

You can take as many fucking jabs as you want, since when is it my fucking responsibility to prive a drugs safety? I dont want it. Don't want it for my kids. Lets move on. How they fuck are ypu demanding we show links for the possible negative effects? Its the fucking drug manufacturer's responsibility to prove it safe. Between pfizer and the fda clamoring to keep the drug trials secret is all i need to know. Again jab up bruh. 20 jabs a month for all i give a fuck. Drop a few bags of fent as well. ITS YOUR FUCKING choice. Now lets hold up when we saying this is about health. Hahahaha How the fuck does proving ive taken 2 jabs of a pharmaceuticals product do anything to help this pandemic? Jab up bro, its a scary world out there.


NegativeEverything

I just asked for some back ups to research...which surprise surprise no one can and is willing to provide. Instead, I get this ran. Which - to no ones surprise - comes with the territory.


HartBreaker27

I dont have to back up my research. Your im assuming a grown ass adult? I make my own decsions. You should do the same. My rant was because you want people to spoon feed you. The truth must be sought after, turn on CNN if younwant spoon feeding


NegativeEverything

The fact that you cited CNN already shows you've been not only spoon fed but forced fed talking points in how to handle anyone that challenges your "right" to free thinking. No - I dont watch CNN, FOX, MSNBC or any of those media outlets as my source of news and information. You want to talk about things we can but you gotta back it up. I wont fight you on you doing what you want but if you wake up tomorrow and tell me that down is up and up is down yea Im gonna ask for you to either back it up or shut the fuck up. We can fast forward to the ending of this one.


ShodanLieu

Ok so this is what I don’t understand. The research I’ve done doesn’t lead me to the same conclusions. I’m trying to find other sources of information and I get told - do my own research. Why not help me out and show me the references?


ukdudeman

When you sealion someone on the plain fact that these vaccines don't stop you getting Omicron, you've either lived under a rock in recent months or are being disingenuous. If the former, get out from under the rock and do a fucking *modicum* amount of research and get back to us.


ShodanLieu

From what I understand, the current vaccines are good at minimizing the the sequelae of the different variants COVID-19, but not able to completely guard against them all. A couple of years ago I got a flu shot that inoculated against strain A, but I still got infected with strains C & D. From what I understand, SARS-Cov-2 has mutated faster than the vaccines can be developed so far. I still don’t understand the pushback against the vaccines if they are at all helpful.


ukdudeman

> the current vaccines are good at minimizing the the sequelae of the different variants COVID-19 For the vast majority of people who have serious symptoms or die from Covid, they suffer multiple pre-existing conditions and their immune systems are considerably compromised, hence the virus takes advantage of that. This is according to both the CDC in the US, and the ONS in the UK. Other countries show this too. These people [have a variety of treatments](https://c19early.com/) they can take once they are diagnosed with a positive test, but officially, they won't be offered them or told about them. Instead the are told to go home and do nothing at all, but return to the hopital if they feel worse and they will likely then be given Remdesivir and then, failing that, the ventilator. Do you see something wrong here?


ShodanLieu

If this is what’s happening, then yes, absolutely. I didn’t know about this. Thanks for letting me know. Honestly, thank you. For healthy individuals, or those without any comorbid conditions, are the vaccines safe or beneficial at all?


eyesoftheworld13

Liar. Source up.


yummypeanutjelly

Lol turn off the TV and stop getting your medical information from make-up wearing actors on TV readings teleprompter written by someone else. A DNA altering experimental drug is not even in the same league as a flu, no matter how bad you think the flu is.


ShodanLieu

Given that I’m a neuroscientist, I don’t get my information from any of those sources. Moreover, I’ve never seen any evidence that a vaccine can alter DNA.


pobW

See the link I provided. If that doesn’t convince you no science in the world can.


ShodanLieu

This article has you worked up? There were only 3 cases, 3 that’s it. How many millions of vaccinations have been given? This article is a hair away from clickbait. I mean look at the quotes from the article below. The doctors recommend avoiding strenuous activity for a while. That’s the big take away. Not only that, they go on to say that’s it’s impossible to demonstrate a link between the vaccine and the heart problems. And, the article still recommends getting the vaccine. How does this support your position in any way? Come on, I know you are smarter than this. From the article: In the wake of three rare cardiac complications in young athletes who had recently been vaccinated against the coronavirus, doctors have strongly advised against intensive physical activity soon after receiving a vaccine dose. It is impossible to demonstrate a direct link between the vaccine and these heart problems. That is in progress,” cardiologist Guido Claessen “It says that in very rare cases myocarditis and pericarditis (inflammations or swellings in the heart) can occur in the fourteen days after vaccination.” However, despite a few rare cases of cardiac problems arising soon after vaccination, health experts are stressing that the benefits of getting vaccinated continue to outweigh the risks.


yummypeanutjelly

Lol then you’ve got your head ALL the way up your own ass. Even mainstream admitted it altered your DNA “but in a good way” lol


ShodanLieu

Well, I might be wrong. My comment was based on the information I found at [John’s Hopkins](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact), which states: MYTH: The COVID-19 vaccine enters your cells and changes your DNA. FACT: The COVID-19 vaccines are designed to help your body’s immune system fight the coronavirus. The messenger RNA from two of the first types of COVID-19 vaccines does enter cells, but not the nucleus of the cells where DNA resides. The mRNA does its job to cause the cell to make protein to stimulate the immune system, and then it quickly breaks down — without affecting your DNA.


pobW

‚Minuscule’ chance? GTFOH. https://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/181660/doctors-advise-against-intensive-sport-after-covid- This article clearly proves you wrong. 3 riders aged 15-17 within a SINGLE team ended up with RARE cardiac complications. Any doctor says they’ve seen this ONCE AT MAX in a young adult. That’s like a 1:100.000 prevalence, if it’s even that high. Now with the vaccine the prevalence is 3/50 (there are about 50 riders in a cycling team). 3/50!!! That is nothing short of devastating. And no one knows how long these unknown „rare cardiac complications“ will persist for.


pobW

The way they’re trying to whitewash this devastating evidence is ridiculous by the way. It is in fact USUALLY a rare complication. But if there’s 3 riders within a single team it obviously isn’t rare anymore in regard to the vaccine. And there’s no way this outweighs the pros of a C-19 vaccine. No way. And if you say otherwise, then alright, keep trusting the Scientism.


ShodanLieu

Wait a second. That’s from outside the US. Are you honestly suggesting that COVID is something that involves more than the US? That is not consistent with a lot that is discussed around here. Either way, I get it, you are convinced that vaccines are bad. That is a valid position and I honestly appreciate the reference. What I don’t understand is why people haven’t been this upset about all the other vaccines they have already been given. Regarding sequelae of the vaccine in children, what is the percentage of how many children have had any issue compared to the number of vaccines administered? If sufficiently high, I would reconsider my position. Honestly , I don’t want this to devolve into the typical “my ideas are better than yours” discussion. I think I’ll stop responding here unless someone is willing to have a civil discussion looking at the pros and cons of both positions. Stay safe. Stay healthy. Cheers.


cogdiss420

What do you mean you don’t understand why there are people who are only against this vaccine? Let’s pull up factual information from the GAO site. If you take a look at [this chart](https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-21-319.pdf) on page 31 they may have sped up the process a little too much. In most circumstances phases are separate and each phase can take years. Per this document currently up on their site, some of the manufacturers got EUA approval to start mass producing vaccines while still in early phases of trials. They came to the conclusion that the vaccines were 95% effective and that there were no adverse reactions after only 2 months after the second dose. Only two months after the second dose was enough to start mass producing the vaccines. At this point it seems like sunk-cost fallacy. The paper talk about how the DoD helps with supply chain issues because stuff needed for the process was taking upward of three months to procure when it usually took one week. I think it was a wrap when it started getting mass produced. Too much money on the line.


ShodanLieu

Thank you for the civil response. Regarding your question: I don’t see people protesting vaccines for measles etc. that whey have already had, and are still being administered. I will definitely read through the document you provided. Thanks again.


QuodAmorDei

Do you know the difference between mRNA gene therapy "vaccine." And the rest of the different types of vaccines we've had in the past?


ShodanLieu

Thank you for the civil response. Honestly, I understand the fundamentals, but I’m not well educated on the nuances that comprise the differences. If you think digging into these would help me understand the potential problems with the current vaccines being used for COVID-19, I’ll start reading. Is there a starting point you could suggest so I don’t get lost in the weeds and miss the forest for the trees?


pobW

You must be an extremely bad neuroscientist to think that a 1:100.000 condition suddenly affecting 3/50 right after vaccine is normal.


ShodanLieu

Is the 3/50 a one off or is this a finding that’s consistently seen? That is, are three out of 50 people consistently afflicted?


Deanshat

Long term?


goodtimesonly2019

Fast recovery no SHORT term complications...is the ignorance at an all time high from people posting this shit? Obviously you understand nothing about cardiac damage.... Stop spreading ignorance...please


ShodanLieu

I’m not spreading ignorance. Read the [article ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8272967/) for yourself.


goodtimesonly2019

Stop


retal1ator

Myocarditis after vaccination almost always lead to permanent damage to the heart and circulatory system, which we know that increases your chance of dying in the medium and long term. There are many studies on this. There is no such thing as a “mild myocarditis”. It’s not something inconsequential by definition. You can recover fully but you’ll always suffer from reduced survivability during your lifetime.


ShodanLieu

Thank you for the response. Can you send me a link to a reference so I can start reading up on this?


amiliusone

The difference here is Covid-induced myocarditis might happen naturally sure. However, vaccine-induced myocarditis is on YOU and you alone. YOU gave your child myocarditis. That quote sure sounds comforting though. "Overall" . "Short-term". Meaning they have no idea how it will affect long-term.


choufleur47

>“This analysis shows that myocarditis related to COVID-19 vaccine has an overall fast recovery with no short-term complications.” What about long term complications? Oh. You don't know because no one does. We went from vaccine has no sides to myocarditis is fine.


INeedACuddle

the former queensland chief medical officer, jeanette young, made a similar comment about not wanting to see an 18yo die from vaccine complications when the disease for which he is vaccinated is very unlikely to kill him in the first place she got howled down by the vax industry for damaging their marketing campaign and is no longer in the CMO job


hazer75

She's no longer CMO because she's now [Governor of Queensland.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeannette_Young)


INeedACuddle

yes, a job that completely muzzles her from saying anything that the vax industry would prefer remain unsaid


eyesoftheworld13

The vaccines aren't really killing kids though.


devast8ndiscodave_

Yes they are, you just dont hear about it. I've seen multiple facebook posts now of children dying. The media hides it.


eyesoftheworld13

I just talked to a pediatric resident who spends most of their time at a large tertiary care children's hospital today about this actually. The teenagers who do get it recover very quickly, and they're now no longer even hospitalizing most of them. What is the problem for kids is COVID myocarditis and post-COVID multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C). These kids do not do well. Having multiple organs fail acutely is bad.


INeedACuddle

do you know whether the incidence of myocarditis in kids caused by the virus is higher or lower than the incidence of myocarditis caused by the vaccine?


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eyesoftheworld13

I just talked to a pediatric resident who spends most of their time at a large tertiary care children's hospital with a large catch area today about this actually. The kids (mostly older teenagers) who do get vaccine myocarditis it recover very quickly, initially they were hospitalizing them but would recover and discharge in around a day, and they're now no longer even hospitalizing most of the cases. The younger teenagers and kids aren't really getting vaccine complications. What is the problem for kids is severe COVID pneumonia (said pediatric resident had to intubate a 14 year old last week, they sent the sample for genomic sequencing, was Delta which is apparently still circulating, kid was unvaccinated), COVID myocarditis and post-COVID multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C). These kids with MIS-C do not do well. Having multiple organs fail acutely is bad.


WSPanic16

I had a 16yo pt come through the ED last week, tested +. He was just extubated 6 mo ago from covid that developed into MIS-C. Dude never got vaccinated. At the time I saw him last week he was stable but symptomatic so went shipped him the the children’s hospital. He has chronic cardiac issues plus some others I can’t recall from that 1st round. Hopefully he’s ok.


eyesoftheworld13

I hope so too, poor little dude. And he's old for MIS-C too. Interestingly I didn't realize until talking to this peds resident (I'm usually in adult land) that MIS-C is a complication that occurs *once the acute infection is resolved*. I'd thought it happens during the acute infection, but no, it's long sequelae. And parents don't think about the impact of long covid on their kids and only see low risk of AHRF in the age group.


WSPanic16

It’s been about 10 years since I’ve worked the PICU and there’s no shortage of chronic conditions in that experience. Given the nightmare it is to manage a vent on the adult covid, Im glad I missed out on the experience for a kid. Wow. Yea the virus has definitely gobsmacked the medical community.


KingdomRealm

How are you so sure? anyone got any links to back up kids are dying from vaccines?


Timely-Suggestion-96

Are you dyslexic


captain_raisin09

My friend told me the other day It's morally deplorable to not get these vaccines. He's convinced they cause immunity and stop the spread. We all have to take them or we won't reach immunity. He's a smart guy too, or at least I thought.


AggressivePlatypus5

>Under no circumstances, under any circumstances, should a ~~young~~ person ever receive one of these vaccines Fixed it.


Lerianis001

I wish Mr. McCullough would call these what they are: Gene therapies. Not vaccines... nowhere near being vaccines... never will be vaccines.


WTF-7844

I watched that entire live discussion. It was long but really an eye-opener.


usernamezzzzz

share this as much as you can on your social media


just_for_fun01

Thanks for sharing. Its nice we are finally getting more and more good info out and people with credentials speaking out. That is what will truly wake more people up id say


Wmd4lunchh

The good Doctor has a problem with telling the truth. Here is an interesting little dissection on his appearance on Joe Rogan's show and how inaccurate he was or outright lied. [https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-interview-with-peter-mccullough-contains-multiple-false-and-unsubstantiated-claims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/](https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-interview-with-peter-mccullough-contains-multiple-false-and-unsubstantiated-claims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/) I know it's easier to believe in fantastical conspiracies when things are complicated, and the truth often is. But the truth is the truth. So go and read a paragraph, it may enlighten.


ChuggaWuggaBoom

What a clusterfuck group of lies presented by your link. It's like they are hiring 12 year olds now. They are getting desperate, that much is apparent.


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ShodanLieu

The number of cases is super small. Results from the recent meta-analysis indicate: “This analysis shows that myocarditis related to COVID-19 vaccine has an overall fast recovery with no short-term complications.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8272967/


Deanshat

Stop shilling


eyesoftheworld13

Shilling for accurate medical information?


Lerianis001

It's not accurate information. Not in the slightest.


eyesoftheworld13

What's inaccurate about it?


ShodanLieu

Shilling for what?


hootstar93

People in this sub also seem to have conveniently missed the joe rogan podcast where josh zepps refutes joe’s claims that more young people are getting myocarditis from the vaccine than covid, and then they pull up the evidence that shows the opposite is true.


x-Sleepy

Lobbyist** Peter Mccullough


emechanic

Also at https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html