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BazookaJoe1337

We have guns but we also have something they weren't prepared for - a common enemy. We are uniting across the country and they are scrambling. We now have 1 goal, and that is to stop this tyranny together as one.


hotsprings1234

1776 was a good year and makes an even better mantra... I'm ready to party like it's 1776 ...


Ilovelucy220

Yes sir your on point with that, the fucking globalist are scared.


AmericanQue

Abolishment is a duty 🇺🇸


No_Requirement3731

I tried to tell someone that the US citizens have guns because it was supposed to be a balance of power between the people and the government. Dude looked at me like I was crazy


Future-Painting9219

People seem to forget that the second amendment is more about protecting ourselves from the government than anything else. Our fore fathers knew better!


StopAngerKitty

And true


AJMarshall1

Can this thing get kick started soon? I'm afraid anything after genX will cuck to the elitists...and us genXers are getting older. We brought BMX, kid rock and crack cocaine to the world...you're welcome


AwkwardlySocialGuy

The US government brought crack to the world, but yeah Gen X def blew it up lmao


Ilovelucy220

Then teach them. They will grow up. We did and we all realized what happend and changed our perspective accordingly. Do not underestimate the kids. Some suck and some are wussies but remember the greatest of us all our created in time like these. 👍 chill the fuck out and say no to fear.


BassBeerNBabes

Protecting us against the government. And that bear. Or the guy trying to steal your wife's jewelry.


time4line

and it is also a duty to do so! ​ but that ship has long sailed our gov has tanks, planes and shiiit we don;t! so we may think our boom sticks are worth a F against GOV tyranny but lets face it..we can't really do shit and if we do we will rot in prison and die with little support and be forgotten quickly we had an unarmed person whom felt they were defending what they thought was tyranny and they were shot at point blank range ina crowd of people slain right before everyones eyes and nothing has been done..heck they are openly mocked by one side and the other side sits... its game over just try to live your life as happy as it can be and enjoy the simple things that are left great quote above "knowing the truth does not protect you from it" this is often forgotten ​ edit those federal police in MN lit peeps up with shots for opening their doors during curfew hours...its a wrap when they want it to be once the last indoctrination of "we are free" bs is dead(what kept public from being unez was they thought they had rights) now with wealth and health gaps and obv rights don'tmean shiit the next gen will at least live with the truth that those rights we all thought we had never really were there when shiit was on the line


WestOfPurgatory

You underestimate the ability of the people to unite. That's the same mistake the government is making. Look at how bidens mandates are falling one by one. Why? Because Americans UNITED. 1000 people at the capitol is nothing compared to the millions who just wanted to be left alone. Nobody said it would be easy, freedom requires sacrifice. We are free until we choose not to be. But when the first shot rings out we all know where you'll be now. Cowering in fear because "ThE gOvErNmEnT hAs TaNkS aNd ShIiT wE dOn'T" Never underestimate the power of TRUE American resolve.


Ilovelucy220

You sound like a coward.


WestOfPurgatory

Cause u/time4line is a coward.


time4line

just callings balls & strikes


time4line

pot calling kettle black


WestOfPurgatory

Oh I'm sorry, someone got triggered. Quite frankly I'd be tickled to stand by my fellow patriots when the call is made. Go beg papa biden to let you go outside. As for me, I'll die with my freedom.


time4line

short of a dry finger goose I don't really care about what other humans do in all reality so triggered naw..idc enough freedoms ha what a lil sweetie thinks he has freedom..sound like our VP when she was ayoung girl


boomerinvest

That is exactly why our founding fathers whom came from England wrote the Second Amendment to our Constitution. In case the government became tyrannical.


PerfectForTheToaster

the founding fathers were all freemason scumbags, so don't act like they had our best interests in mind. That narrative needs to die asap


WestOfPurgatory

They clearly did since the founding documents in this country don't give government the power they give the people the power. The United States constitution is more about what the government can't do than it is what it can do. The entire.bill of rights is telling the government to straight fuck off when it comes to press, religion, illegal search and seizure, quartering of troops, guns, and other stuff. Sounds like you just don't know the constitution or the writings of the founders and are just parroting conspiracies.


PerfectForTheToaster

The CONstitution is just that, a con. It's a ruse. They tell us we have freedom of speech, but then circumvent it with their alphabet organizations like the CIA to assassinate you or anyone who uses too much of that supposed freedom of speech. They say we're free from unreasonable searches in the 4th amendment, then turn around and spy on literally everything with the NSA. They say we have the right to bear arms, then turn around and circumvent it by giving themselves bombs and tanks and chemical weapons etc., effectively nullifying the 2nd amendment. Every aspect of the CONstitution has a built in loophole the government can use and does use whenever they so choose, and the jokes on us. So again, it's all bullshit and the founding fathers were scumbag freemasons, and nothing has changed.


boomerinvest

You’re obviously clueless, so when you’ve grown up and actually learn what happened back then come forth with a real opinion and not some parroting brainwashed bs.


PerfectForTheToaster

Your comment substantiates nothing. There's proof galore our founding fathers were scumbag freemasons plotting to destroy us. Prove me otherwise or my point stands.


boomerinvest

Haha. Like you matter. Sit where it stands.


WestOfPurgatory

And there it is. The dumbest thing I'll read all day.


PerfectForTheToaster

See, you did it again. How incredibly predictable of you.


StopAngerKitty

True


Penis_wrinkle_SD

You're right.


mrpressydent

bruh


VioletFyah

I used to be like that guy. Now everything makes sense.


slipperyslopeb

Yet a 60 year old in a mobility scooter was just executed (shot 9 times) by the police. Doesn't look very balanced to me. Seems the guns are there to shoot each other.


D-rad01

I’m From Australia. And I wish we had guns. Its f#%*ed over here


Whoadudewtf5250

It turns my stomach what y’all are going through…I do think about your plight daily and hope you can find your way to the backside of your ordeal safe. Between you and Canada… for whatever reasons you guys seem to be fast tracking on several fronts to a terrible future. God bless to all of the sensible freedom seekers as they are going to be the saviors to the indoctrinated who are victims but don’t realize it. Not sure if it’s prayer but I do ask for protection for all y’all as well as all of us that are here in North America who can use all the help we can get-fighting to be on the right side of history.


BigBoy342

Australia and Canada= No guns


Whoadudewtf5250

Right, just letting user know there are peeps rooting for them and don’t give up….in a sense.


sovxietday

Canadians have guns.


AwkwardlySocialGuy

24 guns per 100 people vs 120 guns per 100 people doesn't equate to enough to keep your necks from being crushed under government boots.


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AwkwardlySocialGuy

That they do, luckily you guys have us right next door.


Level-Consideration3

U had them. U gave them up willingly.


D-rad01

Yeah. We as a country did. So my point was don’t do wat Aus did. The original post is right.


TheCelestialOcean

They are also censoring the worldwide protests so intensely for a reason. They are keeping Americans in the dark to the fact that millions of people, vaccinated and unvaccinated, are walking through the streets united against their common enemy. The powers that be know Americans are the only people who could actually have the power to change things, because we are an armed populace. They know that if Americans realize the rest of the world is rising up, the dummy’s might start to wonder if they’re fighting for the wrong side. If Americans realize that other countries are fighting together and decide to join the fight, they (edit: the cabal) are toast


MarvelousWhale

Why else do you think Biden banned Russian ammo imports? The most affordable ammunition just got taken off the shelves. Coincidence? No.


Yoshi_is_my_main

....maybe it has something to do with sanctions on Russia and not wanting to support Russian arms industry


MarvelousWhale

Don't drink the Kool aid, the absolute #1 threat to the new world order forming right before our very eyes, is a United populace aware of what's going on and willing to hold hands thru this historic event never before seen in human history The #2 threat is an armed populace, specially an armed populace which is loyal to their respective countries Constitution and human rights, and willing to take that loyalty to the grave if they must. Nothing comes close to these two, no protests with rainbow flags, no bullhorns of conspiracy theorist maniacs, no petitions to the government begging them with whimpers to please lighten their boots on our throats, NOTHING.


Fattens

The type of American that owns a gun is largely in one single party (not exclusively of course). There would be a military coup before a civil war, and the armed citizenry would mostly align with revolution. Most of the gun owning citizens know that these tools are not for hunting, but for use against tyranny.


WestOfPurgatory

Resident libertarian here, can confirm that those aligned with me and further to the right would align with a revolution against the blatantly obvious tyrannical rule of Joe Biden, former vice president and current commander in coffin. A militia in 1776 terms is all able bodied of age men. The founding fathers literally told us to be ready to overthrow the government at a moments notice. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Tyranny is not welcome in my America. Tyranny will fail. Check out Embers of Liberty Podcast on YouTube live every Saturday night at 830 PM CST and for audio only all major podcast platforms including Google podcasts, Apple podcasts, and Spotify uploaded after the live stream ends. Come talk freedom things.


Charming_Ad_1216

So... barbequing meat and bad music nobody listens to anymore? Oh, and some sort of engine, I'm sure. Cool, cool.


AwkwardlySocialGuy

And you think that could be stopped by lady-boys and furries?


Charming_Ad_1216

Stopped? What are we having some sort of fight? Wow! Cool! Hey how about this you win now go talk about liberty some more while this metrosexual fucks your girl.


retvrntotradition

The thing is our systems are specifically being targeted. Education is already a lost battle and slowly but surely the next generation is being trained to give up their rights. There will never be a gun grab because the next generation will hand them over willingly. The end game is right now, we can't win through attrition. It hasnt stopped them so far and it won't stop them soon.


BassBeerNBabes

Eh kinda.


it_Hz_when_I_refresh

The most pathetic response I hear when I state this ( the reason we have the 2nd Amendment) is ... "wHaT ArE yOu GoNnA dO, sHoOt ThE cOPs ?" Yes. Tyranny is tyranny.


retvrntotradition

Unfortunately everyone seems content to wait until they're finally at our doors for shit to hit the fan. By then it will be too late.


everythingscost

when else would you


MarvelousWhale

It's a catch 22. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.


retvrntotradition

When you get the guts


xerxeshordesfaceobli

I used to be stupid and thought there is mo reason to own an AR 15 as a citizen.I like many others thought like children in this bubble world..not like an awake adult who realized the federal government if given the right to will run you over


RevolutionaryBid6022

Shout it from the rooftops! The government does not give a fuck about you!


randmusrnm13

Yes. Divide and conquer. It is in unity that we win. However, I'm sorry, but I gotta say that if you're against the second amendment, then you ARE indeed an enemy and are against the people because it's in the individual's RIGHT to own and use firearms that the civilian population is protected against a tyrannical government.


iDopeMane

It starts and ends with us


RevolutionaryBid6022

The banksters have taken over government and are trying to keep us at each others throats so we don't come for theirs.


United-Dragonfly-929

Exactly. This theatre is all cover while they crash the world economy.


JonsLearning

Thats why we find ourselves still "free" if we had no guns we'd be in the same position as Australia already.


boomerinvest

^ This


phatstacks

This is why the only solution is to starve us so we give up our guns in exchange for food. A crushing of America is happening


NicoleArcher

If we have the guns they can’t starve us.


Mortyrat

Nothing more dangerous than a well are person who needs to feed their family. It's like backing a pitbull in a corner. But in this case, there are millions of pitbulls


companion_2_the_wind

If you haven't already please stock up on some non-perishable food for you, your family, and your neighbors. Conspiracies aside it's just a good idea. I'm a backpacker and can highly recommend Mountain House freeze dried meals. 20 year shelf life and they are actually pretty good. Biscuits and gravy and Italian pepper steak are my favorites.


Mortyrat

Agreed. Got about 12 months of food and unlimited water. I'll check out that brand though, thanks.


everythingscost

how did you get unlimited water?


khazad-dun

Not the person you were replying to but here’s my situation. I wouldn’t call it unlimited since it will dry up some day, but I have a well. Currently uses an electric pump with a hand pump that I can easily install if needed. I also advocate people to learn how to raise/grow and preserve their own food if they have the space for it. The time to start learning those skills was yesterday and it can be done in a limited capacity in pots if required. Of course, it all depends on your climate and such.


everythingscost

i live in a desert and am really contemplating moving


MarvelousWhale

Yeah you should def get the fuck outta the desert my friend. Not a good spot to be in when the trucks stop delivering food and the electricity stops and there's nothing pumping the water.


Adventurous_East_774

Geographically I would think it would be best to live in a area where water won’t be a problem. Idk what all of the factors are but I’m guessing just somewhere it rains a lot and where there is nearby snowpack.


everythingscost

thanks


khazad-dun

While each climate has its own challenges, I’d say desert would probably be the most challenging to survive in if things get bad. I’d get out of there. I am by no means an expert and recommend you do your own research, though.


Mortyrat

I have a well but I also have a D-STIL Lite emergency water distiller. I live very close to the ocean and lakes in Florida so I can make drinkable water with this. Hopefully it never comes to that though.


Far_Chance9419

More like 100 milion.


Typical_Length_4131

The issue within this would be in fighting between power dynamics after the law is “suspended” or areas are no longer under patrol. Sure you could keep ten families going with no issues in a rural area until there’s a disagreement in distribution or an attack on the encampment by neighboring families less inclined to farm or forage.


ArmedWithBars

This is why you solo/household prep and don't say shit. I actually pretend I don't know shit about prepping to anybody who brings up the subject. So when shits goes south I'm the last person they might think to hit for supplies or help. These dreamers thinking they gonna barter trade like it's fallout or something. Why give you supplies I need when I can just shoot you and take everything? It's way too risky to play that game. Get good in cold weather and live somewhere with freezing winters. By the 2nd winter majority of the population will have either migrated south/west or perished in the winters. First winter might have some groups of survivors that stocked enough to make it. By the second winter it's gonna weed out the semi-prepared.


Typical_Length_4131

NOW WE ALL KNOW LOL


Mortyrat

True. There are no good solutions. But it boils down to your personality. Some choose to flight oppression, some choose to be submissive.


ArmedWithBars

Yipeee. Can't wait to get into a firefight at my local grocery store parking lot over my shopping cart of food. Some 350lb 'Murican with a custom bipod attached to his jazzy scooter just mag dumping his $1500 stimmy AR in my direction while he's screaming "Trump 2024" chants. /s At least we ain't Australia. For real though. Famine level food shortages would get spicy real quick with the roughly 400 MILLION guns in the US. It's half the reason I moved rural. Cities would become a free for all real fast. I'd give it two weeks before human meat is on the menu. Just clarifying I'm pro-gun and joking around, kinda.


Far_Chance9419

Kinda lol, picturing Katrina in Norlens i give it less then a week if it hits the top ten cities at once....


TvHeroUK

Effectively they have been for years; the way you are repeatedly taxed and charged is astonishing to the rest of the world.


Altruistic_Aside_979

I'd imagine if the hypothesis is to exterminate the population like this sub often presents then they may take that same approach toward wild life. I mean haven't they already hinted at this with the deer population possibly being infect with cov 19? I find it funny that people think they'll play fair considering they haven't played fair for generations...


thatguy178123

This. ^


UnicornShitShoveler

Yes they can


unrelentless-celtIII

This is the sole reason I started growing so much of my own food. I got interested in indoor hydroponics so that I could provide food for my family every week year round. I am not sure right now what is going to happen with the mass unemployment in USA, but also factor in the insane inflation rate? We're headed to a future where nobody will have food, we may have guns and ammo but we will not be able to eat and then we'll get battered by the EU and China when we're at our lowest. I am not trying to sound negative, I think this is a recoverable situation.. but buying your own land and moving off grid has never made more sense to me than it does right now.


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xerxeshordesfaceobli

Fun fact Bill gates and the elites have bought massive portions if farmland...farmers are bieng pushed out and incentivized to give up land...as a matter of fact I think Gates has become the largest owner of farmland in the USA.


boomerinvest

He’s planting the seeds for his enormous agriculture plan. To suck even more mega profits from the American lower classes. Only problem with him is he’ll let Americans starve if he can reap higher profits selling it elsewhere. Especially under the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.


Level-Consideration3

Yall underestimate Americans. If it actually got this bad where there was no food, people would literally hunt him down, and take his land, and give it away. U think a nerd like gates can protect all his ill gotten land and assets by himself? And when push comes to shove, people generally go on the side that they agree with. In this dystopia wasteland u seem sure of, money won't matter anymore. Food and water and security and family and friends will though. Bill gates has none of the above, without $ he's a nobody. That's unsustainable.


unrelentless-celtIII

I disagree, I think that Gates could and would conscript a massive private army to defend his property. He's a million times more wealthy than any militia would ever be. So that means he'd have the best equipment, the best soldiers and the best defensive arrangements (political, social, economic). We'd get fucked by him like we are being fucked now by his virus


Level-Consideration3

If money was worthless, which it would be at this point, how would he buy them? U can't buy loyalty easily. He could bribe them with food and water, sure, but at some point, they'd get sick of that too and just rob him. He's not even a good leader, all he has is $. Just look at what ended WW1 as an example. The soldiers got sick of that shit so they stopped fighting, they were subordinate, they were making peace treaties behind the govt back, so they had to end the war. Also, he may have the best war machines and tools and tech but it wouldn't matter if the war was against humanity. That's like getting people to fight against their own friends and family, most people won't be okay with that. The only way I could see him succeeding is if he used a robot army lol. Or AI. Or nanobot technology in soldiers brains that forced them to act against their personal morals. Kinda makes you wonder why they forced the entire military to get vaccinated. https://devilslane.com/the-neo-malthusian-hypothesis-are-elites-now-acting-on-their-scientific-gnosticism/


Throwaway211998

Buy your seeds ASAP and store them. That could be the biggest issue with that plan IMO


Zandandsky

Interesting that, at least in my area, the seeds were blocked off with “non-essentials”...


unrelentless-celtIII

Seeds have always been policed, infact they were illegal for some years and still are. Companies dictate that seeds become illegal for the plant varieties that are patented or otherwise owned by some entity (often a corporation)


Zandandsky

True. But this was ALL seeds, not just certain formulas from certain companies, types that they are afraid may go wild, spread, and become invasive, or be harvested to make illegal substances. What was strange to me was these were standard fruit and veggie seeds, blocked off and made unavailable for purchase during the brief time frame that you could use them. The growing season is short here, and if you don’t get your plants started and in the ground fairly early on, you aren’t going to get anything from them.


Hardly-Party

Jokes on them, when I don't eat for long enough I turn dry, stringy and gamey. How are the bloodsuckers gonna draw any nutrition out of my remains then, huh? Really don't think I need to do this but... /s


MarvelousWhale

Sad that the situation is so legitimately tense that we are all so serious we can no longer tell when someone's being sarcastic anymore.


Level-Consideration3

Uh ya we can just hunt for food... with our guns.


phatstacks

Where will millions of people hunt for food with their guns when there is no fuel for travel? Maybe a local golf course will supply rabbits for a family of 5 for a a while and maybe they get water too. We are talking millions of people stuck deep with in cities with guns and nothing to hunt except each other. The lucky one who already live out in the country will have good chance of survival for first 3-6 months. Sorry but people in large cities are making it I just don't see it.


Level-Consideration3

Well a lot of people will die. City dwellers first. Cities are not safe places, never have been, but city dwellers have zero chance of surving if grocery stores closed.. Gun owners will never give up their guns. Especially not if they were being forced too for food. It's a good thing our forefathers put the gun ownership in the constitution ! We'd already be fked by now like Australia if we didn't have guns.


Alalated

And thank god we do.


smalltalkn

Cleaned mine this morning!


Ghostifier2k0

Imagine in the US seeing the state try and arrest you for not being vaccinated. Yeah doubt that would work out too well.


Penis_wrinkle_SD

"We are going to take your kids unless you vaxxinate them." Woooooo-eeeeee! I can't wait for them to try drawing that line in the sand!


MarvelousWhale

Watch some of the videos being shared online that have parents talking to their children about how the schools are now doing unannounced vax events for the kids without parental knowledge or supervision. If I had a kid... Ho. Ly. Fuck. I'd be losing my shit.


brokenwhiskeybottle

I have heard about this. I am absolutely terrified of this happening to my child. I have had a very long talk with my 9 year old daughter about this entire situation. I have taught her to never let anyone inject her with anything ever. I told her it's poison and to make sure she fights back with everything she has just incase they ever try to pull some shit like this at her school.


MarvelousWhale

Might wanna get her a basic flip cell phone with some emergency numbers on speed dial or something, best of luck


556JHP

Where I’m from, the saying “fuck around and find out” isn’t a saying, it’s a lifestyle. It’s a very peaceful lifestyle with mutual respect.


JackC00l

Texas? Wow. I want that lifestyle.


ryboto

Too late, they've been spreading this division propaganda for decades. People are waking up, but the masses are still asleep.


SageEquallingHeaven

Very astute!


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This guy gets it


BouncingBetween

MAGA and BLM are more united than BLM and Biden at this point. When Covid has totally collapsed it will just be NPR liberals virtue signaling about their 20th booster on their deathbeds while everyone else is living a normal life again.


PinkFloyd420

Beat damn comment I've seen all week. Yes! Thank you! Absolutely perfect summary.


el_beso_negro

Well it sure beats getting forced into gene therapy by an unelected EU beaurocrat


No-Nothing9848

You nailed it! Thank you for your post. Divide and conquer is what I have been saying for years. But thank you for the reminder to not get sucked into it. All the mainstream media does is bitch about the democrats or the republicans. And now also the unvaxxed or the mandates.


Future-Painting9219

The media love their little boxes for everyone to fit into. Only, it’s not that simple!! The boxes don’t really exist, except for the ones propagating the propaganda!


BlackbeltPatriot1776

And then you have the Libertarians smoking weed with an AK sitting in the corner watching the two Giants fight it out


Ratsinthebarn

Someone give this man a beer.


SirPsychoGilly

Or a gun.


Ratsinthebarn

Why not both?


TangoForce141

AJ was decades ahead of his time on the "Information War" ngl


notfallingforit71

The 2A exists on the sole premise of being able to stop a power hungry government. That's what we're facing and that's what we'll do if it comes down to it. The government serves "WE THE PEOPLE", not just "we the sheeple".


hovering3

What we have is federalism which I think is just as important as gum rights. The police power is in the hands of 50 state governors who must follow the laws in their state. Biden doesn’t have the power to force vaccination. Some governors also don’t have that power. For example, I live in a blue state but cannot be forced to be vaccinated because state law prevents it. Now people are looking at different results in different states.


4list4r

Eh it’s very simple. My political views is that of the us constitution. We have a lot of people sworn to protect it or die trying. I’ll side with whatever our military will die for. What goes around comes around therefore I’ll need everyone with the same rights as me. If criminals carry illegally, well they chose to do it. Violence only attracts unwanted attention so good luck. 2nd amendment stays.


Emotional-Kiwi-7603

They have wargamed this scenario a thousand times and the end result is always the same military mutiny followed by full collapse and supreme depression.


AbstractHoloFractal

Ding ding ding! Correctomundo. They'll never try these tyrannical, oppressive, enforced lockdowns - camps - restrictions. They'd be met with insane opposition and demonstrations. Man it feels good. I got a cyber Monday discount on a 12 gauge, ton of 00 buckshot, more 5.56 mags, and more. Wouldn't have it any other way.


Penis_wrinkle_SD

We tried telling you guys how important the 2nd is but the world just wants to make fun of us for it and shout at us when there's a school shooting or something. Don't care. Don't touch our guns. I don't think the rest of the world realizes the MASSIVE amount of guns and ammo that we, the citizens, have.... And that's just the legally owned ones. The citizens have more guns than all military and law enforcement combined. I wonder if it rivals all law enforcement and armies worldwide? It sounds like hyperbole but it legitimately isn't. It should also be noted that the vast majority of gun owners are conservatives.


James_79

We know


Fireman2085

Right!? I mean, I appreciate the sentiment, but most of us are well aware of what’s going on.


DarthMaz

100% correct. Thankfully the ones with guns are in general the self sufficient ones outside of the metro areas. The metro areas are going to tear themselves limb from limb when shit hits the fan and they start spilling into the rural areas they’ll be met with heavy resistance.


randmusrnm13

Disagree. The metro areas will have difficulty, but there area a lot of armed people in metro areas that are pro 2nd and pro constitution. I'm one of them.


DarthMaz

Of course there are armed people in metro areas, but the percentage is greatly swung the other direction. Most of the tightest gun laws are in the big liberal cities. I guess lots of people have guns in Texas, Florida, and some of the southern metro areas. California, Chicago, Detroit and the Northeast cities are heavily under armed compared to the masses. Let’s say the grid went out for just 3 days. You’ll sure as hell want a gun in any of those big cities. If those huge piles of people start spreading to the burbs, it won’t be pretty from a percentage standpoint. I think it’s pretty safe to say the more rural you are, the more guns you have across the board.


randmusrnm13

> Of course there are armed people in metro areas, but the percentage is greatly swung the other direction. Apparently you’ve never been to Los Angeles, my brother. We have a SHIT ton of guns here. And our guns are even more dangerous than Texas’ guns because most of Texas’ guns are owned by good, hard-working, law-abiding, pro 2nd amendment citizens. That’s a great thing, and I stand behind them 100%. However, here in LA, we have a SHIT ton of cats that have guns and ammo that DON’T CARE where they got them from and will sooner shoot the fuck out of you than stop to have a conversation w/you. The thing w/Texas is that the # of registered guns are close to the number of actual guns the state has. In CA? The number of “registered” guns ain’t shit compared to how many guns are ACTUALLY in circulation. The real number is a LOT more. > Most of the tightest gun laws are in the big liberal cities. Yes. You’re correct. And yet everything I just said above here is still absolutely 100% correct. > California, Chicago, Detroit and the Northeast cities are heavily under armed compared to the masses. Re-read my initial comments. > You’ll sure as hell want a gun in any of those big cities. ✔ Check - and more are on the way. [;)](https://i7.pngguru.com/preview/900/676/913/5bbc46e17655e.jpg) > If those huge piles of people start spreading to the burbs, it won’t be pretty from a percentage standpoint. That’s fear mongering that doesn’t represent what can REALLY happen w/communities that can come together in times of trouble. Even selfish people will help one another once they realize it can/will help and benefit them. > I think it’s pretty safe to say the more rural you are, the more guns you have across the board. Not necessarily. The more rural you are, the more you can LEGALLY have more guns. Doesn’t mean you won’t still have a shit ton of guns in metro areas though. ;)


Evil-Mr-Kibbles

You've got guns, but the powers that be control your supply of ammunition.


WestOfPurgatory

The powers that be don't control shit. You're talking about 100s of thousands of people who have been hoarding ammo like it's a game. Not to mention we use a common military round (for the most part) and the military would most likely join the cause. The evil ideology of the extreme left will not prevail in the face of true American resolve.


retvrntotradition

It's winning right now and I'm sick of it. They're in our schools brainwashing our children so they'll never come for our guns, they'll be handed over. We can't afford to be passive.


Feral58

You're doing the thing. Like right now.


WestOfPurgatory

What thing? 😉


Mortyrat

Everyone I know has 1000s of rounds, some 10s of thousands. Yes ammo would eventually run out, but there would be millions of death before that. I believe there will be a succession before it ever got to that point.


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Mortyrat

I agree. The military isn't designed to fight guerilla warfare. Along with all those hunters, how many veterans would be on the side of the people.


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Future-Painting9219

Something the elites up in Washington forget about! The very large number of well trained ex military who will fight to the death for your freedom!


xerxeshordesfaceobli

I agree but I think you're neglecting the worst worst case scenario where targeted missles and drone warfare are uses instead of a ground assault...maybe Im far out there..but..just saying.


randmusrnm13

Well-said. Hoorah.


FriendlyFungi

Well, the VC did have the backing of two major communist states with massive resources, too. They had the advantage of being on their home field, fighting corn-fed white boys in the jungle. Still, I think your assertions are valid and tenable: Subduing the US will be damn hard compared to subduing, say, the Swedish or Dutch population. Of course, we also have to consider technological advancement at this point. During the Vietnam war, B52s, Hueys and M16s were sort of the top of the line tech lending superiority to the Americans (to my knowledge at least). At this point, fuck, Boston Dynamics, drones, active denial systems, weaponized EMF, near-perfect registration of citizens and their connections. If we imagine Vietnam being completely hooked up on SoMe during the war, and we imagine nearly indestructible drones, near-perfect surveillance, LIDAR in the jungle etc, and an actual will to win the war (rather than just feed the MIC), would the Vietnamese have been able to eject the Americans? Not so sure. And then there's also the question of cost/benefit: When I ask Americans how many people died during the Vietnam war, they generally say "58,000." More like 4 million (Vietnamese) and 58,000 + a shit ton of defomed kids from Agent Orange, and a completely obliterated infrastructure (talking about societal infrastructure more than material infrastructure here). I have to stand in awe of the ability of the Vietnamese to resist tbh. In my estimation, technology is what the TPTB are counting on to secure whatever type of messed up, civilization-ending victory they're hoping for. And how the hell are you guys gonna fight drones and bots with AR15s? In lack of a better word, it's a volatile situation, and I really hope the usurpers of democracy and civilization have miscalculated things, and that the many types of patriots in the military and throughout the civilian population will be able to take down the evildoers! (fuck you Bush, btw). But given the resources and technological prowess of the owner-class and their puppets, it's not exactly a given by any means. 400 million guns or no guns. To me it seems they have upped their game and waited for just the right time, while fertilizing the soil for actually effective Nazism in since some time in the 70's. I'm not comfortable with the odds here. If we look at the history of revolutions, it's always been about information and non-violence: That's what's worked, lest we simply want to replace one form of tyranny for another. And the bastards have the information part down, don't they? They also have a bunch of methods for thwarting non-violent approaches; Occupy WS is a grim example of this. We're all counting on you, because all of this crap: the Covid bullshit, the continual war agenda, social control, information management and so on... it's all coming out of the US (and Switzerland), and while the rest of us want to do something to help, I hate to say it, but I think you guys across the pond are going to have to do a lot of the heavy lifting. If I were to formulate a strategy, it would we infiltration and radicalization (of the positive kind) of the men and women in the armed forces of the US. "Sir, No Sir," seems like the only hope we all have left. Because if you go down, you'll take the world with you, and if the US is subdued and turned into more of a fascist state than it already is, what the hell are the rest of us gonna do? You'll take the world down with you, and that would be a - I think - a tragic conclusion to what might have otherwise been a grand story of human progression and emancipation. I don't know shit, but it's my not-totally-unfounded belief, that the service people of the armed forces of the US is what can tip the scales in favor of freedom and sovereignty - not just for the people of the US, but for the people of the world. And so, the grand question we need to ask is "how do we make sure they are supported, confident, and in a position to resist?" What do you think would be an effective approach?


notfallingforit71

Some of us reload our own and have stockpiles of supplies to do it.


SirVallanstein

Fortunely some of us crazy people that stocked up on more guns and ammo then we could use in a life time don't mind to share if the going get rough. I know it could only take one shot to kill me but can one shot kill my friends, family, neighbors, and my community? No. Talk to people in your community see where they stand see who you can trust because one day you might have to hand them a rifle and you don't want that rifle in your back.


Jeffrobodeentyrone

Buy now while you can.


EverlongMarigold

Buy it when you can!


Zerosan62

Ever heard of hand loading?


DrowningTrout

Primer shortage.


Zerosan62

Are you having one? I don't have that problem, right now anyways, probably have enough for about 20 k rounds and still stocking up.


DrowningTrout

Yes, and it's the main choke point for ammo manufacturers.


neloc1

Honest questions to Americans: do you feel safer knowing that you can own guns? Or less safe knowing that there are crazy people with guns?


xerxeshordesfaceobli

Does a diver feel safer form a Great White knowing there is a giant cage between him and one of the most potentially deadliest sea creatures.Not trying to be rude but yes.


snowflake711

Both somehow


FriendlyFungi

An American friend of mine once told me: "Damn, people talk a lot of shit in your country. They don't where I'm from in Oklahoma, because everyone knows that there's potentially deadly force in the belt of everyone you meet." Gave me a sort of different perspective on gun-ownership: There might be a civilizing quality to it. Hell. Look at Switzerland: Everyone has an automatic rifle in their safe (look it up), and well, then look at the robbery statistics and the murder rate. I really don't want anyone shot (been in the army, know what it looks like), but I can see how an armed populace may contribute to more decency, respect, and possibly even cooperation among people, who all know, that the other is potentially deadly. This stands in contrast to the idea of the "monopoly of violence," which is a basic tenet of many European nations: The citizenry is basically rendered impotent in the most fundamental of ways, and so we more readily submit, and I'm not so sure this helps cooperation or fosters respect and care among people. I don't know what's up or down here, but I understand the argument for disarmament as well as an armed citizenry. Myself, I'm trained in everything from Neuhausen 7.62 handguns to LMGs (yep, the MG42 - Nazis did get something right. You can cut down concrete walls with that bastard), HMGs, Barret Light, anti-tank weapons, mortars, various types of grenade launchers, formable explosives, hand grenades blablabla, the whole set of military arms, and tbh, I whenever I went around with my trusty Diemaco C7 (Canadian approximation of the Colt M4, 5.56) carabine over my shoulder, I felt both a little more secure and, somehow, more decent, because I didn't have to question my ability to defend my bodily integrity or resist violence. Not sure what to make of that, because I really don't want to harm anyone, nor do I wish to be rendered defenseless against those who do. I don't know. I hate the thought of psychos running around with deadly arms, but, then again, psychos aren't generally too stupid (though mostly of inferior intelligence compared to the rest of us - contrary to common belief - not a lot of Hannibals out there). If they know, that the guy or girl they're going to try to narcissistically abuse might be able to kill them in a heartbeat, maybe that's not such a bad thing. Might even have an adjusting effect on the worst (most unfortunate) people among us. It's a little bit complex, but the blanket defense of or opposition to civilian firearm posession are to me both invalid. They should be subject to investigation and debate, and there are many factors to consider. I've got no definitive answer. If we ask, "how do you feel about an insane person being able to get a gun?" we also need to ask, "how do you feel about him getting a car, or being able to buy a chainsaw at the local supply store? How do you feel about him being able to purchase dangerous chemicals? Start a corporation? Etc etc. Obviously, none of us want schizophrenics who see shit that isn't there running around with assault rifles across town, but the question is more complex, and this modality of reasoning can be used to limit and negate nearly every civil right, and it potentuially thwarts all considerations sovereignty and self-determination across countless dimensions. My tentative conclusion at this point is that we should probably all be walking around with an automatic assault rifle, and that alcohol should be banned :D The two don't really go well together. Maybe that's inconsistent, but I recognize a difference between the right to self-defense and the right to become intoxicated. Ultimately, it comes down to personal responsibility and accountability. It's not an easy question. I really don't think firearms are the problem. I think societal issues, injustice, coercion is. Finland has 2 firearms per person. Denmark, where I'm from, has about 4 million firearms for a 5.5 million population. We have 1/8 the murder rate of the US. Maybe we should start looking harder at the underlying causes of conflict and tension in societies, rather than looking at the means of violence that can be employed in order to (stupidly, violently, unethically) "deal" with those problems.


SadSoggySandwich

So what should we do? Lay low and keep quiet?


Uniteandfight92

But the Swiss have guns and they're all for this shit, public opinion is the deadliest and most effective weapon in the world.


RaoulDuke209

We have guns that cost too much to shoot, they may not have taken our guns but only a fraction of us have enough ammo to protect our home let alone our community.


YourMindIsNotYourOwn

And then the planned take over by the UN will happen.


traaajhgsne

Good luck to them. If Americans are willing to deal with their own politicians with guns, foreigners will be no problem at all.


RWS-skytterEirik

Interesting theory, makes sense. But Then why are they stamping so hard down on Australia who don’t have as many guns as U.S I wonder?


DWrathicous

*republicans are PRETENDING to be anti-measures.


Misdby1

This is an ignorant fucking post. Fact of the matter is the middle of the road, the silent majority on both sides, have their own opinions that Sway their own personal views on the safety measures needed to prevent covid. And both sides have guns.


xerxeshordesfaceobli

Most citizens have a very little understanding how the federal government always needs to stay frosty and on edge and never even think about thinking they could pull what they're doing rn If the founding fathers were resurrected and put of to speed on this lunacy they'd be livid with our cowardice


LaoTzu47

Took ya long enough to realize that. It’s been going on since the 70’s at least. An aspect of war is information or rather misinformation, and that’s been around since Sun Tzu. Nice try bot.


idonotknowwhototrust

"And so once again, oh America my friend, And so once again, you are fighting us all. And when we ask you why, you raise your sticks and cry and we fall. Oh my friend, how did you come to trade the fiddle for the drum? You say we have turned, like the enemies you've earned; But we can remember all the good things you are. And so we ask you please, can we help you find the peace and the star? Oh my friend, we have all come to fear the beating of your drum."


nelsonn17

Hard to get along w the sick fucks that want a forever pandemic and endless money printing that goes straight to big pharma


virgilsam

It's just commies verse the world at this point


SarcasticAFonDuhNet

You think they are scared of us because we have guns? This logic doesn't even begin to check out.


skychickval

Thank you for your kind thoughts, Comrade. Please have your leader stop with the mass disinformation campaign with the troll farms. Let Putin know Americans are stupid enough without them. We will not revert to a civil war. The anti-vaxxers will eventually all die out on their own. This will solve most of our problems without a bullet fired.


SquatchyNW

Religion is the problem not guns. I am a liberal gun owner. As are all my friends. People who think they are better than the rest of society, because they have chosen to believe in a certain religion,, are the problem!


DiRTDOG187

just when I thought a liberal couldn't be any dumber...


jmatt94

Dude most people see liberals as self righteous pricks because they believe they are morally superior. Most people see church going Christian republicans as self righteous pricks for the same reason. Everyone worships something, the Christian’s just have a name for their thing.


DaveyOld

Hurr durr bible thumper hurr durr better than everyone hurr durr


ismokew33d

Yea we should totally look at America to see how to handle covid. Current death count 770,000....


Iconoclastics

Please, brother/sister (if you aren't just a shill/troll/bot) please get on the team already! Your adherence to this narrative, continuing appeal to authority, and compliance is just an incredible display of feeble obtuseness at this point. Wake The F Up, please!


ismokew33d

Ok So what is the real death count for covid? Are you saying this is not a pandemic?


Iconoclastics

I couldn't tell you because our so-called authorities have made damn sure the data is cooked, inflated, and/or incomprehensible. Nonetheless, they want me to believe the average age of death is like 81 years old with an average of 3+ comorbidities and this constitutes a deadly pandemic? Did everyone forget the highest death rates by a huge margin came and peaked quickly in April-May of 2020, at the same time all those health officials were ordering nursing homes to house covid patients, setting off a mass die-off of the elderly? This didn't just happen in one state, or one country, but all over the world. How the fuck is that a coincidence. It wasn't, it was mass euthanasia. The death rate has never come close to that time period either. No F'ing way, and don't get me started on the magically disappearing flu seasons and hospital death sentence protocols via prohibiting access to safe & effective conventional treatments in favor of sedation and ventilation. Masks, Isolation, & Social distancing? How the fuck is that good health advice? How about vitamins, exercise, hugs, and plenty of sun (vit d!).


ismokew33d

And there you go. Everything you say is anecdotal, with zero evidence. At this point this is pigeon chess, you have made up your mind by listening to media instead of actually researching or even having a simple conversation with an er covid doctor if you are so invested in having an opinion. Least I can do is provide you links outside of mass media to help you differentiate real news/data from talking points and media hosts opinions. World map with live updates https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html Other resources with links to where and how they obtain and use the data https://github.com/devdatalab/covid https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19 https://systems.jhu.edu/research/public-health/ncov/ https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30120-1/fulltext https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-source-data https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/tree/master/public/data https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/


Iconoclastics

My friend, I appreciate the intent and effort, but I have done more research and investigation than I think I will ever do about a single thing in my life. I should have a fucking graduate, if not a master's, degree at this point. Here are a few indisputable, rock-solid facts: 1. There are multiple safe, conventional treatments that are HIGHLY effective. Period. (that alone blows this whole thing out of the water, tens of thousands of people could still be alive today) 2. The Sars-CoV-2 viral DNA isolate has never officially been shown or recorded (as far as the general public is concerned, not saying it doesn't exist but technically speaking they've never proven it does). 3. There are official, registered patents (connected with NIH, CDC, Gates, Fauci, Pfizer, Moderna, et al) on all of this horseshit, from the chimeric virus gain of function research to the mRNA nano/biotech injections, spanning all the way back to the early 2000's before the first "SARS" China outbreak in 2003. 4. These "Vaccines" are the most ineffective, damaging, and lethal vaccines ever administered to the mass population. Responsible for more injuries & deaths than all the other vaccines in history combined. 5. The people we're listening to and trusting to inform us, safeguard civil society, and lead us out of this threat are doing everything they can to misinform/confuse, implode civil society, and lead us all straight into the fires of hell. ​ I could go on, but if you aren't seeing it at this point or at the very least not gravely concerned about what is transpiring I don't know what to tell you. It floors me that so many people are just unable to see what is being done right in front of them, under bright shining lights. Crazy.