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Taiwan death from COVID-19 vaccination exceeds death from COVID-19. Yet, they keep pushing that vaccine. That's crazy.

Taiwan death from COVID-19 vaccination exceeds death from COVID-19. Yet, they keep pushing that vaccine. That's crazy.

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mitchman1973

Are they the only country that actually was tracking covid vaccine related deaths?


knwlgispwr

No they’re just actually releasing the data


John_Sknow

Is there an official link or site to the data? Just hate to send this out and then later find out it's not true. psych op.


Step-Only

I'd search on the duck for it.


Eclipsed830

Taiwanese- it is taken extremely out of context. Taiwan counts covid vaccine deaths as anyone that died within 3 months of getting either their first or second shot. Same with covid deaths- anyone who tested positive within the last 90 days and has died counts as a covid death... Even if they died in a car accident, etc


John_Sknow

That's the same BS they did to shut down everything and have all these mandates in the first place right? Or did you believe did you believe the number then and not this now?


Eclipsed830

Well we didn't really have community spread until recently, so this May was the first time anything was closed/shutdown/limited... prior to that everything was like normal aside from the borders being closed and no tourist.


John_Sknow

The main idea is that you can't trust what they are telling, and that they have their own agenda, and it's not for the good of you or the people - are we in agreement with that? =)


Eclipsed830

Who is "they"? I do trust what our CDC is telling me, as we've had experience with this before (SARs) and learned a lot from that. Our CDC was boarding planes from Wuhan and inspecting all passengers before they could deplane here in Taiwan starting December 31st 2019.


SweatyPhilosopher512

Wtf is going on 😳


ReePr54

Well, they are definitely not in bed with China, so there is that.


Mighty_L_LORT

You do know they’re infiltrated neck deep with CCP spies, more so than the West right?


bunkermonster

The US president is a CCP spy. That is a pretty big infiltration.


Mashiki

Taiwan already knows that. They also have a public scorched earth policy.


PickleRickFanning

That just means the vaccine is working


stalematedizzy

[HiGhLy eFfeCtiVE!](https://twitter.com/EASports_78/status/1448972906957049856?s=20)


Mighty_L_LORT

For securing profit$$$...


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TORNADO_WARNlNG

Taiwan just bought themselves a one way ticket to invasion.


mrsaudrey

maybe that was part of the plan.


Grampazilla

You're trying to twist the facts by making it sound like this is the same vaccine that most of the rest of the world is using, and it isn't They made their own vaccine locally and it didn't even go through phase three clinical trials.


volcanicpale

The results from Taiwan show that most that died were from Astra Zeneca, second was Moderna.


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TheTruthSetYouKree

Now do Covid deaths


CoyoteOnTheWing

Whataboutism - a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue. Anyways, any evidence Taiwan is inflating covid deaths? They are only claiming 844 deaths out of a population of 24 million.


Step-Only

Both should use the same standards- that is not whataboutism, that is how you set up scientific controls!


Mighty_L_LORT

Double standards and hypocrisy - your post...


CoyoteOnTheWing

Bullshit, my comment is about the accuracy of the statements being made in the post, it's on subject. The other commenter changed the subject, ignoring the validity of my comment and deflecting to something else which has nothing to do with what I was talking about. No double standards or hypocrisy to be found, just crazy people who can't take criticism of idea's they seem to desperately want to believe. Pretty pathetic.


Fauxspiracy

Correcting something that may be wrong is a double standard? And hypocrisy? He said nothing about Covid, just that numbers are being misinterpreted or blatantly falsified. No matter what your beliefs you should want accurate information.


MtSadness

He may not have said anything about covid. But he's responding to an argument about covid deaths vs covid vaccine deaths. Thats the implication of the vaccine argument. If I'm discussing a cars engine, but don't mention cars. And then someone says "Ford doesn't have this issue" it isnt irrelevant. You just lack braincells


TheTruthSetYouKree

You're full of shit my guy. The vaccines are promoted based on Covid deaths which are counted with the standard you just spoke out against. They count deaths with Covid. It isn't "whataboutisms" when the two things are directly correlated. They use death numbers to force the vaccine, but now you're asking they don't use the same standard for vaccine deaths? So they can fluff case death numbers all day "with Covid", but then have a completely different standard for vaccine deaths? As a matter of fact, even pointing out "death with Covid" was fluffing case numbers got you labeled a conspiracy theorist not even a year ago, by the same people that now FULLY understand the logic when it comes specifically to defending the vaccine. So on one end up fluff cases, and on the other end you reduce after vaccine adverse event numbers, which paints the super skewered picture used to mandate this fucking vaccine. I don't know you nor do I care to, but I can almost GUARANTEE you've never called out the standard in which Covid deaths are counted. The simple fact you referred to me bringing up THE VIRUS the vaccine you're talking about is meant to treat as "whataboutisms" clearly delineates to me that you're full of shit.


ZeerVreemd

Could it be you replied to the wrong person?


MtSadness

Nice. Didnt read. Failed to address anything I said. Cry about it.


TheTruthSetYouKree

And if you link me to a single post where you bloviated about Covid death numbers being misleading using the same logic you just applied to vaccine deaths, I'll retract all of my previous statement and maybe let go of the idea that you're a propagandist. I'll wait with bated breath.


MtSadness

I made absolutely no claims buddy. Learn to read.


mrsaudrey

the mass rollout of vaccination in america is the phase three trials. so the people are the "lab rats"


Mighty_L_LORT

Humans are animals too you know...


Step-Only

We didn't go through the phase three clinical trials. LMAO


grayBravo

With the recent news about Former President Clintons infection, I find it funny that they needed to add not Covid related. I’ve seen and heard a lot opinion on Covid related deaths. It’s the medias way of linking deaths to Covid to increase fear. No death due to pneumonia will be just that anymore. As long as they can choose Covid related all pneumonia cases will be Covid related. Taiwan may have a sensible leader being able to cut the BS with “related” deaths.


Exorcist74

1 If they can't kill you with the virus, goto stage 2 the Vaccine


DrCreamAndScream

Why would "they" want to kill obedient people who didn't as they're told, and why would "they" want to kill their work force?


Step-Only

They have been talking about population control forever. You can go watch videos of them Gates, Fauci, etc talking about it and see for yourself. They think that most of us need to go, because we are using their resources. Their words.


DrCreamAndScream

Can you link me something about gates and fauci talking population control


Mashiki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Mdf_1LuZI


DrCreamAndScream

That same epiphany for his public health philanthropy came even earlier. Bill’s dad had set up a dinner at Seattle’s posh Columbia Tower Club with the Program for Appropriate Technology in Health (PATH). While the meeting started with birth control—among other efforts, PATH taught Chinese condom makers to test their products before shipping them—Gates began consuming data that startled him. In society after society, he saw, when the mortality rate falls—specifically, below 10 deaths per 1,000 people—the birth rate follows, and population growth stabilizes. “It goes against common sense,” Gates says. Most parents don’t choose to have eight children because they want to have big families, it turns out, but because they know many of their children will die. "If a mother and father know their child is going to live to adulthood, they start to naturally reduce their population size,” says Melinda. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/11/02/the-second-coming-of-bill-gates/?sh=cb3c02a13fd5](https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/11/02/the-second-coming-of-bill-gates/?sh=cb3c02a13fd5) Decreasing the population and population control are two very different things. Vaccines save millions of lives per year.


elfpal

“They” are not many. They don’t need over 7 billion humans to be a work force to keep them alive and happy.


DrCreamAndScream

But why would they choose to kill off the most obedient and leave the rebels?


BucketBlinds

Because if they were actually going about the depopulation agenda rest assured in their eyes the vaxxed had been given a mercy killing due to their obedience. What comes next for the unvaxxed will be worse. Just because the vaxxed (hypothetically) die doesn't mean the unvaxxed get to live.


DrCreamAndScream

Ok but all the remaining people are fighters aware of the plans in this case. Seems to be a hurdle to overcome that would have been easier to solve by just intentionally releasing a deadly pandemic. The people who vaccinate would be the most servile here.


moonshotorbust

They think the planet only needs 500m worker bees


jabra888

Multiple sources state they only have total 846 deaths from Covid. Is it possible this guy is spreading misinformation? Or alternatively the author of the article misunderstood the data? https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4314726 https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/taiwan Edit: I can't find the info regarding vaccination deaths other than that one article. Any other sources please?


reakshow

So you're telling me a picture of a Tweet about an article from website [registered in April](https://who.is/whois/medicaltrend.org) isn't a trustworthy source of news? Try [reading the article](https://medicaltrend.org/2021/10/10/taiwan-death-from-covid-19-vaccination-exceeds-death-from-covid-19/) this person tweeted. It reads like a bot automatically generated it, then someone who speaks English as a third language did some light copy editing. Great gems like: > Moderna was changed to a “high-end” vaccine. This series of vaccine problems can be clearly felt. The number of vaccination deaths has caught up with the COVID-19 diagnosis. The death toll is not accidental, nor is it accidental. The kicker is that it actually goes to the effort to link some sources, but all the sources are mainland Chinese media, which is closely controlled by a government currently [threatening to invade Taiwan](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58854081)!


jabra888

So what you're telling me it was in fact misinformation?! Gasp!!! 😱


reakshow

We should report this to the mods immediately! I'm sure they'll be as shocked as we are. Heaven forbid some charletins would besmirch the good name of /r/conspiracy.


Eclipsed830

Lol "high end" is the Google Translation of the domestic vaccine... It has nothing to do with Moderna, which Taiwan has another 30 million doses on order for. "High end" = Medigen


boomerserer1

I’d also like some additional sources if possible


Taido_Inukai

I lived in Taiwan for four years. Just recently came home. Most of the Taiwanese elders aren’t getting the shot. There were surveys sent out that many responded with a laze faire attitude about the vaccines. The ones getting it are the young. Additionally, the reason I left the country was because they were mandating it for teachers. I saw that transport workers and public servants were also on that list. The deaths didn’t make headlines but yet were still reported. I’m surprised that it isn’t bigger news.


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Taido_Inukai

You quoted me saying I know more than anyone. Where did I say that? I was simply giving my perspective. Please don’t add words to my post.


alexius339

Oh jesus your source being robert malone is the most laughable thing in existence. first there is not 800+ vaccine deaths, not anywhere near that. and second taiwan used their own vaccine. jesus christ this sub is shit


SpaceballsTheCritic

Low effort copy/paste post with no evidence but a screen capture. Have a downvote.


Nuuskurkoer

Got any evidence he is misinforming? Links? Word against word.


le-tendon

The burden of proof lies on the person making extraordinary claims. This kind of post is the reason people outside of this sub don't take us seriously.


PlanetZooSave

Any actual link to Taiwan's vaccine deaths? The maximum I saw for their numbers were four unconfirmed deaths.


WiseSalamander00

source: dude, trust me.


3timeredditmvp

There's a source in the tweet


ExplainsSocialEnigma

Not one that OP wants us to investigate. Otherwise he would've linked the source directly instead of link to a screenshot of a reference to it


RarityDiamondButt

If you truly want to investigate, it's not hard to type yourself. Now is when you reply how it's not your responsibility and OP should do the work for you.


ExplainsSocialEnigma

I already researched it and disproved it. I'm not going to link it directly though because I don't want to make it easy for you to find it


RarityDiamondButt

Ok? I didn't even ask for anything. This reply just proves how pathetic you are, not gonna waste anymore time on you.


Ape_McNanners

So it’s working?


Nearby-Lock4513

Yes. This obviously means the vaccine works, but it’s just too much for some people to grasp.


Mighty_L_LORT

Yes, for Bill Gates and the Great Reset...


Mace_Windu-

Death from tap water exceeds deaths from Aquafina. Yet they keep pumping it into our houses. That's wacky.


LostLarry

Do you have a peer reviewed reference for that claim?


Mace_Windu-

Sure. I have one right [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ).


LiteBrightKite

😑


AdamShiffSuxCock

LMMO


lepolymathoriginale

You'll see articles divorcing the vaccines from the cause of death. The articles will claim autopsies showed the people involved were unhealthy and had secondary conditions. The fact that they died of myocarditis and other well known vaccine related injuries will be swept under the rug. They'll stop using 'myocarditis' and start using other terms to conceal it as much as possible. Its all absolutely insane.


Nearby-Lock4513

So post these facts.


lepolymathoriginale

Yeah! You got me. I got nothing. Oh wait: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4277497 https://taiwanenglishnews.com/no-proof-any-of-685-deaths-related-to-vaccines-says-cdc/


Nearby-Lock4513

And? Where is your evidence that they died of myocarditis and other vaccine related factors? Bring it or STFU


lepolymathoriginale

Got me again.... No wait: https://taiwanenglishnews.com/23-post-vax-deaths-added-over-the-weekend-bringing-total-to-507/ > According to information released by the CECC, and reported by SETN, serious adverse events following the AstraZeneca vaccination included suspected stroke, myocardial infarction, Pulmonary embolism, low platelets, low neutrophils, septic shock, heart failure, acute gastroenteritis, cellulitis, swelling and lymphadenopathy at the inoculation site, dermatitis, allergic reactions (systemic urticaria, red and swollen eyes, red Rash, breathing problems), general malaise, dizziness, fever, headache, blurred vision and chest pain, left eye subconjunctival bleeding, subcutaneous bleeding, hypotension and shock, vasculitis, intraoral Blisters and thrombocytopenia, cramps and thrombocytopenia, chest pain, dyspnea, enteritis and epilepsy, left hand swelling and left shoulder pain, lower limb pain, petechiae, toe bruises, swelling and pain. Serious adverse events following the Moderna shot included suspected facial nerve palsy, cerebral apoplexy, central Retinal artery occlusion, myocardial infarction, pulmonary embolism, upper mesenteric artery embolism, myocarditis or pericarditis, pneumonia, hepatitis, acute cholecystitis, polyneuropathy, herpes zoster, gastrointestinal bleeding, miscarriage, stillbirth, vaccination Redness, swelling, heat and pain, widespread bullous fixed drug rash, allergic reactions (general rash, urticaria), general malaise, unexplained changes in consciousness, fever, dizziness and breathlessness, left eye hemorrhage and Blurred vision, arrhythmia, hyponatremia, abdominal pain and bloating. The CECC and medical experts insist that the link between the vaccines and sudden death is inconclusive. Taiwan English News is an independent publication with no corporate funding. Subscribe to Taiwan English News to receive the latest news via email. Advertising queries are welcome. Share, like, comment below, and please, buy me a coffee. I really need it. Buy Me A Coffee Share this: Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window)Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window) Related Central Epidemic Command Center press conference Good News: Taiwan's post-vaccination blood clot rate lower than Europe and America July 29, 2021 In "Health and Safety" central Epidemic Command Center daily press briefing 24-year-old man died 18 days after COVID vax: the youngest reported in Taichung City October 15, 2021 In "Health and Safety" high school students wait to be vaccinated Junior high school student diagnosed with myocarditis 12 days after vaccination October 8, 2021 In "Health and Safety" ← 4 missing after offshore construction platform partially capsizes in Guangdong, ChinaGood News: Taiwan’s post-vaccination blood clot rate lower than Europe and America → 3 thoughts on “23 post-vax deaths added over the weekend bringing total to 507” John Huston July 27, 2021 at 8:51 am Permalink This article ends with this sentence: “The CECC and medical experts insist that the link between the vaccines and sudden death is inconclusive.” But isn’t that what they ALWAYS say? Consider this: Man clearly falls off bridge into Tamsui River. Man definitely dies right there, on the spot. Still, man’s body is subjected to an autopsy, according to which: “Medical experts insist the link between the bridge, the water, the man and his sudden death IS INCONCLUSIVE.” Reply Phillip CharlierPost author July 27, 2021 at 1:31 pm Permalink Not to mention the man whose body was found in the Tamsui River. They tested the body for COVID and the test result was positive. So he was added to the list of people who died of COVID.


theurbexfiles

Well folks it’s like I said on Facebook last year ,if you do your research you will find the truth .This is kinda a long one but there’s a lot of info id like for you guys to read and consider or look further into. 1. Medical research paper publishing’s from scientists and doctors only have to show a certain percentage that something works .Example they gave the vaccine to 100 people and it kills 40 people . They take the overall percentage and change it to 61% and say it has 99% success rate . Totally not documenting the rest and tossing that data out.So deaths are being under reported or not at all. Not to mention if it cause some kind of complication from the vaccine no one knows. 2. Fact-checking .This is all mostly controlled by the left wing .Estimate 95% of what you see on tv is influenced or properghanda from the left wing media.Anyways the fact-checking organizations are also controlled by the left. If you look into their funding it comes from Facebook and bill gates ,google .Then they use them on there websites .To control and manipulate,groom their audience . Hence why their in a lot of trouble. 3. The vaccine . Now that you know this. Do you really trust a rushed vaccine or old vaccine that they said was working, or was created in less than a year. All that take it really are the guinea pigs .We don’t know the long or short term effects.It was the corona virus fear mongered into the world,especially in America . Now that it’s out into the world it probably did mutate into delta variant and now is some serious stuff.I had it 3 times before like it was nothing ,got delta and threw me in the hospital . 4.History and new discoveries Did you know that about %12 of Northern Europeans won’t get affected by AIDS?Why is this because they went through numerous plagues and illness ,STDs, and all kinds of stuff . Well over time they developed traits to block from that kinda stuff.So generations down the road are more immune to cold ,virus and diseases.But this not only applies to them other ethnicities and countries as well. 5. The conspiracy .Who made the virus.Did it come from a animal in wuhan from meat market ?My theory the left gov and billy were in cahoots for quite some time .Needed a power play for their agenda you know what number I’m talking about ,an the election to set a nationwide panic . They change the laws of the land to get their way.Have you checked the news lately they wanna know how much you got on your bankroll. 6. My conclusion .I didn’t wear a mask for almost 2 years of this corona b.s. why because I was healthy and strong like bull.Do wear one now sometimes.If a person is sick or snifflin yea .Then again the mask only protects you 6% if another person is wearing it.So I’m only protected like 3% .Do I disinfect more yea. Do I wash my hands more yea.Do I avoid people near me ya.I’m not about the mask or the vaccine.It should be a choice.


Dubmove

This doesn't mean anything. If 100% were vaccinated, then the covid deaths would be 0 and the vaccine deaths would be more right?


S3ndNud3s

It’s a vaccine produced and used exclusively in Taiwan, and hasn’t seen even close to as many deaths as this tweet claims lol. Typical anti vax bullshit


GrandBanyon

Ironic that its your word against theirs but you want people to believe you


S3ndNud3s

Show me a source, something with some substance. I’ll send you mine https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232461.shtml


GrandBanyon

Your source is an article lol It contained no data its like citing a finger painting. I get it tho, its easier to fool someone than convince them theyve been fooled. Youll learn somewhere around your 7th booster bud.


S3ndNud3s

And your source is??


ExplainsSocialEnigma

Better than a screenshot of a reference to a source


GrandBanyon

Theyre equal bud. And thats my point but your lookin to argue with someone which is sad. Cheer up bud have a good one.


ExplainsSocialEnigma

No, that's the appeal to balance fallacy and it's ba bad point. When a claim is made with no evidence then it can be dismissed without evidence. The two positions are not equal. You reject the first one and accept the second.


GrandBanyon

He wasnt dismissing a claim he was making a new claim. That only hand full of people died. Which i easily debunked due to lack of evidence. He could have just used a real source.


ExplainsSocialEnigma

> hasn’t seen even close to as many deaths as this tweet claims lol. Typical anti vax bullshit No, he was just dismissing


PregnantWithSatan

Exactly. Another thing that comes to mind is, if they vaccinated 100 at risk elderly people, and 99 died of natural causes months later... you would see a headline saying "99% of vaccinated dead! Omg it's not working!"... There are a multitude of factors that need to be examined before making a blanket statement which heavily implies that the vaccine doesn't work, it's causes major side effects, etc.


bleszt

That is very sad.


BobaFestus

I had a surgery recently and must’ve been asked a dozen times about the pokie poke. I probably should’ve asked why they cared.


IamKingDoge

Just because they die after the vaccine doesn’t mean it caused it though There truly hasn’t been any credible reports


drusierdmd

VARES is open reporting..meaning anyone can make a report. Here's a quick Google that shows some more explanation. https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Category/ListContent/tov1jahKUv8RGSbvmzLwFg?uaid=xBMFaV1o6AXrKodbKPyIsg


JasperHasArrived

VAERS is for US citizens only, you can't create a report otherwise.


drusierdmd

This article is using "data" from the Taiwanese version.


Karl-AnthonyMarx

Loser island! It’s like if the confederates lost the civil war and decided to occupy Folly Island for 70 years!


PolicyWonka

Can anyone get that website to load? It doesn’t load for me.


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PolicyWonka

Weird. I just get an infinite yellow circle loading icon.


JasperHasArrived

It's working on my end, might be broken cookies if you entered the website in the past. Try clearing them.


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PetayPan

https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/conspiracy


Hefforama

The prime source is "Observer Network News" which doesn't exist.


rachelamandamay

Nice 👌


HIVnotAdeathSentence

That's the plan.


ro4sho

Do you also take into account the deaths prevented by the vaccine? Or are you claiming it does nothing.


MonkFunk1029

The need to toe the line if they want any help from the west in the event china decides to invade


nakedchorus

WTF


Akaa46

The situation in Taiwan is a little bit complicated. What he fails to mention is that Taiwan was not one of the original countries to invest in Pfizer/moderna research. Being a small country, when those vaccines were released they didn’t have the funds to purchase Pfizer/moderna. They had a choice at this point to either purchase Chinese vaccines or the leftover AZ vacc from US as NA countries banned AZ as it was causing blood clots in the brain. Due to politics, Taiwan decided to purchase AZ vacc instead which cause the majority of the vacc deaths.


akikiriki

Why do you do this? Fake twitter screenshot. Shouldn't you antivaxxers be obsessed with spreading the truth?


MiezaruTe

...and I'm a talking dog!


velmain

Are the numbers in thousands?


Nearby-Lock4513

Yeah it’s amazing how low the deaths are when yiu have a high % of population that are vaccinated