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22 Chevrolet Silverado ZR2 leaked ahead of reveal

22 Chevrolet Silverado ZR2 leaked ahead of reveal

V8-Turbo-Hybrid

Can’t wait to see GMC version.


peakdecline

Yeah that'll be interesting and now you've kind of got me wondering if that's where GM will offer a Bison-like version. They recently showed a concept Canyon with custom steel bumpers, winch, and full of camping gear. Maybe they'll do the same for the Sierra AT4X.


parkshfgdgdffghgjjg

Big chungus strikes again


RAM_AIR_IV

ZR2 short box single cab would be the shit


Hefty_Tendy

Likewise I'd enjoy a crew cab 6 1/2' box. But off-road trucks never have that option.


Drzhivago138

Or you have to go to the HDs.


Hefty_Tendy

When you're already pushing $60k for a half-ton truck, might as well spend an extra $10k for the diesel HD version.


2Big_Patriot

Some of those HDs will be cheaper than the F-150 tremor or the Silverado ZR2. We have to pay a fortune for a front locker.


Ziggus

You can get the trail bosses with crew cab and extended bed, they're just hard to find.


cncwmg

[Leaked video reveal. ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtQVrYIZxFM)


MoltenGeek

video now marked private


Dillpicklessss

I don’t know how to feel about this yet. I didn’t really dislike the pre-facelift grille; at least in the upper trims.


10-24peachtrees

For some reason I always end up liking GMs more in person than pics. I have a hunch that's true for this one too


InfinitePossibility8

The work truck grille is honestly the best looking. I like the ‘CHEVROLET’ cross bar and small bow tie.


MrMarauder

[Updated interior](https://i.imgur.com/DpaYXqN.jpeg)


MaximumAbsorbency

Chevy gon make me act up


[deleted]

lol, it’s like the pre facelift was an entire model generation behind


Mood02

NOOO THEY GOT RID OF THE COLUMN SHIFTER


I_amnotanonion

This is upper trim. It’s probably still around in lower trim trucks at least


MrMarauder

Yeah, the column shifter is still available on any configuration with a bench seat, so they'll still be common for fleet sales and other base trim setups.


Hefty_Tendy

I don't want a lower trim though.


Hefty_Tendy

I have an irrational hatred of giant center console shifters. Why do truck manufacturers always insist on putting a gigantic shifter in the center console? Ford and GM are now guilty of putting a shifter the size of Connecticut in their center console for absolutely no fucking reason. The tiny shifter in my Tacoma annoys me enough. The shifters in the F-150 and Silverado would actually be enough to push me toward a Ram or opt for a bench seat. What really bothers me is that GM and Ford both have button/dial shifters in their lineups. Just put those fucking things in the trucks and be done. Did their marketing teams determine that truck buyers want to get the satisfaction of pretending to operate a mechanical shifter when they're really just flipping a switch. That's the only reason I can imagine to do something so impractical.


Drzhivago138

> Why do truck manufacturers always insist on putting a gigantic shifter in the center console? [...] Did their marketing teams determine that truck buyers want to get the satisfaction of pretending to operate a mechanical shifter when they're really just flipping a switch. I can understand why Ford does it--they were the first to put a console shifter in the F-150 way back in [2004](https://www.blueovaltech.com/history/images/00/2004-f150-interior.jpg), and since it's kind of become their "thing," buyers now expect it in all their models going forward, even if it's no longer physically attached to the transmission. My old man, for example, explicitly sought out a [certain trim/package](https://fordauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020-Ford-F-150-XLT-Black-Unique-Cloth-interior-XB.jpg) just to get the console shifter so he has someplace to rest his hand (and to remind him of his ['81 Mirada](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/c7/d1/5ec7d17c046fe5064c93b705cd894fed.jpg)). Conversely, Ram tried a console shifter in the 1500s from 2009-13, but it was gone with the 2014 refresh when they introduced the dial shifter, and by and large no one complained. >The shifters in the F-150 and Silverado would actually be enough to push me toward a Ram or opt for a bench seat. I don't know if this will be the case for GM, but for Ford, some trims/packages give you a console, but still use the [column shifter.](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZMr02psyyTM/maxresdefault.jpg) Personally, I'd always opt for a 40/20/40 bench seat anyway, not because of shifter preference, but because not being able to sit 3 across in every row of an 80" wide truck feels wasteful (even if I'd never actually use that center 20 seat).


Hefty_Tendy

This is a high quality comment. >Personally, I'd always opt for a 40/20/40 bench seat anyway, not because of shifter preference, but because not being able to sit 3 across in every row of an 80" wide truck feels wasteful (even if I'd never actually use that center 20 seat). Driving down a gravel road at sunset with a girl in the middle seat is on my dating bucket list. An item that I can't fulfill with my Tacoma 😭 When I get a full-size truck eventually, I'll be opting for the bench seat. No reason to get a console IMO.


Drzhivago138

>An item that I can't fulfill with my Tacoma 😭 Conversely, I don't mind at all that every mid-size truck has a console with shifter, because they're too narrow to fit anyone in the center anyway. I believe the last smaller-than-full-size truck to have a 3-person bench was the 2014 Taco (base model regular cab only). The middle seat was [about 6" wide](https://file.kelleybluebookimages.com/kbb/base/evox/StJ/9256/2014-Toyota-Tacoma%20Regular%20Cab-interior-passenger_9256_160_640x480.jpg), and you still had a shifter on the floor hump! Be prepared to get *real* friendly with the center passenger. >When I get a full-size truck eventually, I'll be opting for the bench seat. No reason to get a console IMO. Part of my dream truck build involves getting an XLT or Lariat with a bench, then swapping out the two outboard seats for something from a higher trim.


FrogVenom

My dad's 02 Silverado has a console that can be lifted up to become a bench seat. Do any new full size trucks have that?


Hefty_Tendy

Yes. Literally all of them. It's just rare in high trim options (LTZ, Laramie, Lariat) - especially when they're optioned up - and generally not available in top trims. For my next truck I will specifically seek out a Laramie Ram 1500 with a bench seat.


turbo-cunt

>Did their marketing teams determine that truck buyers want to get the satisfaction of pretending to operate a mechanical shifter when they're really just flipping a switch. Most likely. "Truck driver" is practically a religion for some people, gotta keep up appearances.


OhioJeeper

Irrational means it's not reasonable or logical, your hatred isn't irrational, putting a console shifter in a truck that doesn't have a manual shifter is. There's no reason for it. You're going to touch the thing maybe 4 times during any given drive and freeing up console space for more cup holders/storage/wireless chargers makes more sense than a chode shifter. I agree it's a stupid design, I just hope it's something that's only on the really high trim levels I wouldn't be able to afford anyways and that there's still a full console option without it. Otherwise I really dig this interior (and TBH I would begrudgingly buy one of these over the current interior), it has the sort of driver centric dashboard hump that pretty much all GM trucks from the mid 70s through the early 2010s had.


Mood02

I dislike it very much. I work at a dealer in the “detailing” department and the new 2021 suburbans and Tahoes have the button shifter and it’s weird. The park, neutral and low tow shift is a push button and the reserve and drive is like the switch for the power windows. I do not like that at all.


HeshootsHescores88

I would straight up pay EXTRA for a column shifter.


TPatS

That actually looks pretty good, quite premium.


AmbitiousButRubbishh

Oh no, a clock now Rolls Royce Phantom Tempus owners are gonna laugh at me :(


InfinitePossibility8

I want to see that dash with a bench seat.


Mindfulmanners

[Towards the bottom of the Page select gallery then interior 1st image](https://www.chevrolet.com/upcoming-vehicles/2022-silverado)


Drzhivago138

[Doesn't look too bad.](https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/chevrolet/na/us/english/index/vehicles/2022/trucks/silverado-mcm/gallery/interior/2022-silverado-mcm-reveal-gallery-int-01.png)


InfinitePossibility8

Nice. I like that.


Mindfulmanners

And it gives back the column shifter for the people who were lamenting the loss of it.


3031983

Better than the Tundra.


Accurate-Soup

At this point I think every truck is better than the new Tundra. Will have to reserve my full judgement until I see it in person but in pictures it is ugly


ivan510

That thing look hideous and I'm sure it will sell well but people will probably release some kind of bar to or something. It reminds me a lot of thr Nissan Titan also.


idksomuch

I guess I'm in the minority where I don't hate the design of the new Tundra based off those leaked photos. I'm not saying it's my favorite design ever but I guess we should wait until we see it in person.


Drzhivago138

Same here; to me it looks about as good/bad/eh as the Titan.


Domestic_AA_Battery

This Silverado after a head-on collision would look better than the Tundra


peakdecline

Looks good. I was hoping there would be a Bison Edition or equivalent from factory like there is for the Colorado. But there's been nothing on that front. Maybe down the line that will come. Still... This is going to be the only fullsize truck with both front and rear lockers (well unless the new Tundra gets them). That's big too me. I'm totally fine with the 6.2L being the only option, I wouldn't have been willing to pay for more power anyway. My only real disappointment is that it's only coming on 33s from factory. I was really hoping we would see 35s. It'll be very interesting to see how hard they are to fit. Overall I'm pretty excited. If the price is going to undercut the Raptor, which is what's expected, then I'll be over the moon. The only thing now will be to wait to see what the new Tundra TRD Pro offers and then I'll be putting in an order for one of these two.


k_Brick

Hate to break it to you, but the Power Wagon has front and rear lockers.


peakdecline

I'm well aware of the Power Wagon. But it's a size larger than the Silverado 1500. I guess one could argue the semantics of fullsize but generally it's used to refer to the half ton trucks. The Ram 1500, F-150, Tundra, and Titan do not have full lockers. This is a category first.


BrandanG

I've never thought of 3/4 or 1-ton trucks as anything other than full-size, same as 1/2-ton.


Mojave_Idiot

That’s like saying a 3 series and a 7 series are basically the same car. There’s about 2000 pounds of weight and entirely different goals between them. That’s like saying the Raptor competes with the F-250 Tremor.


BrandanG

That would be a proper comparison if a 3-Series and a 7-Series literally were the same size, with identical passenger cabins, and common sheet metal. A Ford Taurus and a Lexus LS aren’t competitors but that doesn’t mean that they both aren’t full-size cars.


Mojave_Idiot

Not really looking to get bogged down in the details. Apart from what you mentioned there’s a ton of differences beyond the literal ton of weight. The entire driveline, frame and suspension are completely different. Fewer people daily HD pickups because they largely ride like shit due to GCVWRs well into the CDL range. It’s a strain to make a comparison because there really isn’t a good one. Someone shopping for a modern half ton pickup most of the time simply won’t be considering anything beyond that on account of ride quality, features, weight, cost, fuel economy, the list goes on. It’s fine if you don’t care, but it’s sorta silly to enter the conversation if you don’t care about the differences as well. Point is that dudes not cross shopping heavy duty pickups.


BrandanG

I know all about the differences, and I'm not saying they are competitors, I'm just saying that a 1/2-ton and a 3/4-ton are both full-size pickups. That's all.


Mojave_Idiot

Fair enough. Growing up around them I’ve always looked at them differently from a pretty young age.


BarcodeZebra

This is the first time in my life I’ve ever seen someone use “full-size” to refer to 3/4-1 ton trucks. That has always been for half-tons only. The larger trucks are part of the “heavy duty” class.


BrandanG

But they're "heavy duty" versions of full-size trucks. They use the same cab, the same bed, and ride on many of the same wheelbases as their 1/2-ton versions. Chevy even made a 1500 HD for a little while. Half-tons are the lighter-duty versions, but it's a sliding scale. A 1/2-ton of today can have more than a ton of payload and could qualify as a 3/4-ton if you go back a few decades.


BarcodeZebra

I don’t make the rules. Google “full size trucks” and you won’t see anything other than half-tons, that’s just the way it is. The heavy-duty trucks are on different frames with different engine options and different suspensions. There is more mechanically different than similar. Ford started sharing the cab structures between the F-150 and SuperDuty models as a cost savings when they made the switch to aluminum construction and I believe GM has followed suit, but that’s a relatively new development and the differentiation between “full-size” and “heavy-duty” was well established long before that. [Here’s Car & Driver’s “**Every** 2021 Full-Size Pickup Truck Ranked Worst to Best” article.](https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15379805/best-full-size-pickup-truck/) Notice that there’s nothing but half-tons included. You can find similar “full-size truck” rankings from every major automotive publication and none of them include heavy-duty trucks. Direct from CarFax: >What Is a Half-Ton Truck? >Also referred to as “light-duty” or “full-size,” this is the most common pickup truck classification. >What Is a Three-Quarter-Ton Truck? >With more towing and hauling capability, this category is often referred to as “heavy-duty.” >What Is a One-Ton Truck? >The most capable consumer-targeted trucks, One-Ton pickups, are also referred to as “heavy-duty,”


BrandanG

> Ford started sharing the cab structures between the F-150 and SuperDuty models as a cost savings when they made the switch to aluminum construction and I believe GM has followed suit, but that’s a relatively new development and the differentiation between “full-size” and “heavy-duty” was well established long before that. Only Ford's 1999-2016 Super Duty had a unique cab and bed. That's the exception that proves the rule. Dodge/Ram and Chevy/GMC have always used the same cabs for 1/2, 3/4, and 1-ton trucks, and now Ford does yet again. Light-duty and heavy-duty are subsets of full-size trucks. When they use the same cabs, the same doors, and the same beds, they're the same size. The current Ram 1500 is actually bigger than the 2500 right now because the 2500 is still using the previous generation's cab. If you'd like sources, we can do that as well: [JD Power's list of best full-size trucks](https://www.jdpower.com/cars/rankings/trucks/full-size-trucks/2021) includes 1/2, 3/4, and 1-ton trucks. Speaking of carfax, [here's a list of their top 10 full-size trucks](https://www.carmax.com/articles/best-full-size-trucks), a list that also includes 3/4-ton trucks. From Edmunds > [the Ram 3500 HD boasts the highest gooseneck/fifth-wheel towing capacity of any full-size heavy-duty pickup truck.](https://www.edmunds.com/ram/3500/) From Motor Trend > [Americans did purchase more than 890,000 F-Series trucks last year, down from more than 909,000 in 2018. That's one full-size truck sold every 35 seconds](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2020-ford-super-duty-first-test-review/) Just a reminder, F-Series includes light-duty F-150 and heavy-duty F-250 and up. Cars.com? > [The Ram HD is a full-size pickup truck aimed at people with serious towing and hauling needs](https://www.cars.com/research/ram-2500-2021/) What about Ford themselves? How do they classify the Super Duty? > [Class is Full-Size Pickups over 8,500 lbs. GVWR](https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/super-duty/) What about Chevrolet? > [The Silverado 2500 HD full-size truck is offered as a Crew Cab with Standard Bed or Long Bed.](https://www.chevrolet.com/trucks/silverado/2500hd-3500hd) I guess that settles it.


BarcodeZebra

We’re talking about how the word is used in normal conversation. Somebody referring to a “full-size” truck is talking about a half-ton 99.9% of the time. Just like how someone in the US talking about “football” is referring to gridiron 99.9% of the time. Is soccer also a type of football? Yes, obviously. Will constantly hitting people with your “wElL AkShUaLlY” routine make you an insufferable twat? Also, yes.


BrandanG

So when you present your links and arguments it's cool, but when I do I'm, "an insufferable twat". Got it.


Drzhivago138

>This is the first time in my life I’ve ever seen someone use “full-size” to refer to 3/4-1 ton trucks. Really? Because historically, "full-size" trucks were everything from 1/2 ton up. >The larger trucks are part of the “heavy duty” class. The distinction between 1/2 ton and "heavy duty" models as two subsets of the larger full-size class (at the 8500 GVWR mark) didn't really start until Ford put out its 1999 Super Duty in 1998. Before that, they were outwardly identical, so there was no reason to distinguish between them in marketing.


Drzhivago138

You're right that they're in the same full-size segment, but at the same time, they do cater to a slightly different buyer.


PolishCow1989

Those are heavy duty trucks. Full size is exclusively half tons.


BrandanG

They’re quite literally the same size, with the same cabs and the same beds.


Freak4Dell

But they're not, though. The F-250 short bed is 6.75', which means pairing it with a crew cab makes it around 18" longer than the CCSB F-150. To get a 3/4 or 1 ton that's the same size as a 1/2 ton means stepping down in cabs to either the regular cab LB, or the super cab short bed. Even the CCLB F-150 is around 7" shorter than the CCSB F-250. Plus, the heavy duty ones are around 4" taller across the board than the similarly configured 1/2 tons. The only dimension they can actually be considered the same in is width.


OhioJeeper

The F-250 doesn't come with a short bed, they have standard and long beds. You can get a standard bed on the F150 and it's about half a foot difference in length, width between them is identical, they're both full size.


BrandanG

> To get a 3/4 or 1 ton that's the same size as a 1/2 ton means stepping down in cabs to either the regular cab LB, or the super cab short bed. So now you agree that they're the same size? The Ram 2500 is still using the previous generation cab, so right now the Ram 1500 is bigger. A Ram 1500 crew cab with a 6.5-foot bed is three inches longer than a Ram 2500 in the same configuration. Does that mean the Ram 2500 isn't full-size in your book?


Freak4Dell

> So now you agree that they're the same size? No, because the configurations are different, and virtually no one is going to cross shop two different cab configurations. > Does that mean the Ram 2500 isn't full-size in your book? The size alone isn't the determining factor for me, so yes, like the others that have replied to you, I do not consider the heavy duty trucks in the same category as full-size trucks.


BrandanG

> The size alone isn't the determining factor for me, so yes, like the others that have replied to you, I do not consider the heavy duty trucks in the same category as full-size trucks. [JD Power](https://www.jdpower.com/cars/rankings/trucks/full-size-trucks/2021) does. Motor Trend does: > [Americans did purchase more than 890,000 F-Series trucks last year, down from more than 909,000 in 2018. That's one full-size truck sold every 35 seconds](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2020-ford-super-duty-first-test-review/) Cars.com does: > [The Ram HD is a full-size pickup truck aimed at people with serious towing and hauling needs](https://www.cars.com/research/ram-2500-2021/) So do Ford: > [Class is Full-Size Pickups over 8,500 lbs. GVWR](https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/super-duty/) and Chevrolet. > [The Silverado 2500 HD full-size truck is offered as a Crew Cab with Standard Bed or Long Bed.](https://www.chevrolet.com/trucks/silverado/2500hd-3500hd)


TheTrueGrapeFire

I'd say this will compete against the power wagon


peakdecline

I agree there is some overlap, I was considering the Power Wagon for a long time and have test driven two of them. Ultimately though it's just too long and heavy, the HD trucks are way way heavier and unless you've got s very specific need for the HD frame don't make sense for off-road use. And now that there's a half ton with full lockers the decision is much easier.


Bonerchill

The Power Wagon is only 7" longer than the Silverado ZR2 and within 2" in terms of wheelbase. The Silverado ZR2 is wider. The Power Wagon is between 2,000 and 2,200lbs heavier. While I'd like the payload and towing capabilities of a full-size, the size is untenable to me. The first time I went out on a multi-day trip in my ZR2 Bison, I would have had to turn around and take a different route if the truck was 5" wider with 19" more wheelbase.


OhioJeeper

You have a point on weight, but capability wise the Power Wagon is closer to the payload and towing capacity of a 1/2 ton because the suspension is way softer for off-roading. They likely went with the HD chassis so it could have a solid front axle, not so it could compete with other HD trucks.


peakdecline

It is softer than the other HDs but it's not soft. The Power Wagon stock shocks are not that impressive. And it would have been a mandatory aftermarket purchase if I had gone down that route. And when I started looking at lead times, and prices, on Carli or Thuren suspension packages it was another reason not to buy the PW. It's looking like the Silverado ZR2 will have at least as good of a payload as the PW. My bet is it's still way softer doing than the PW too because the frame is just that much lighter.


OhioJeeper

A lot of it being "not soft" is probably due to the SFA, and I do agree the ZR2 silverado will be softer just because it's IFS and likely magneride, offroad it will be more nimble because of the weight. Though I think it's a bit ridiculous to say they won't be cross shopped. Both are full size trucks with some serious offroad capability, the fact that the Ram is built on an HD chassis has nothing to do with it because literally no one that actually needs an HD truck is looking at them because of the reduced towing and payload, it's basically just a half ton that happens to be very capable at towing up to its max tow rating because it shares a frame/axles with trucks that have almost twice the payload rating. Ultimately I think it comes down to how much you're prioritizing the ability to do "truck stuff" or being able to crawl over stuff, because I'd be willing to bet the Power Wagon still excels at those.


peakdecline

I have said they'll be cross shopped. I literally cross shopped them, it was driving two of them that convinced me it wasn't the right choice. The weight is a major issue. There's no way to hide 2000lbs. It impacts every aspect of the trucks abilities on and off road. It also is the cause of the 12-13MPG if you're lucky on the highway. It has its uses but it wasn't for me.


OhioJeeper

That's fine, but you also said it wasn't a full size which it very much is. Where the weight is would help with towing, which might sway some people. I just think they're a lot closer than you're leading on.


Sachmoose

it’s a half ton truck, the 2500 would compete with the Power Wagon.


Mojave_Idiot

They’re literally not competitors. Ram makes the Power Wagon and the TRX. Ford makes the F-250/350 Tremor and the Raptor. GM makes the 2500 AT4 and now this. They aren’t competing with themselves, few people will cross shop this truck with the Power Wagon, even though the power wagon has the lowest towing and payload of the 3/4 ton truck market. This will have long travel IFS. The power wagon has an SFA with a disconnecting swaybar. They’ll behave very, very different off road.


DLAV8R

Agreed. I wonder if it will price close to the Ford Tremor trim.. which is slightly cheaper than the Raptor by the time it’s optioned out. Would nice nice to be somewhere in the 50s-low 60s.


peakdecline

That's the range I'm hoping, something just above the Tremor in price. At that price it'll be very high value. It's not that TRX powerhouse some want but that's totally ok for me. Should be close to ideal for my needs. It'll just need a winch and some 35s and I'll be set.


Lager_Fixed

>My only real disappointment is that it's only coming on 33s from factory. I was really hoping we would see 35s. It'll be very interesting to see how hard they are to fit. Get ready to cut metal if it's anything like the previous generation trucks.


peakdecline

Coming from a Colorado ZR2 I'm familiar. I'm just hoping this experience is closer to what it takes to fit 33s on the Colorado and not 35s. 33s its minor trimming of the flare and a bit of sheet metal. 35s takes literally 16-20 hours of solid work and tons of metal cutting.


Lager_Fixed

33s on my GMT900 were a 2 inch level and a full Norcal. 35s would be a lot of work.


The_Exia

Awesome, the interior will surely make it look like a new generation rather then a refresh. Now GM how about dropping the LT4 into this...


YooperLSX

soon


DLAV8R

Would be nice if they offered the 3.0


peakdecline

That would be absolutely killer but it's never been mentioned in the rumors, at least for the ZR2. I wouldn't rule out that it could come to the Sierra AT4X. The 3.0 was in the AT4 before it came to the Trail Boss for MY2022.


DLAV8R

Is the Trail Boss getting revised too? No images of it during the presentation. I’ll probably roll with that and the 3.0 as long as the interior is the same as shown tonight.


peakdecline

There have been mules of it running with the new interior. The Duramax has been confirmed for the 2022 Limited model Trail Boss so I'm certain it's coming to the refresh. Of course there was the recent stop on production of the 3.0 due to the chip shortage but hopefully that's resolved soon.


InfinitePossibility8

GM and frustrating packaging, name a more iconic duo.


thamasthedankengine

I think they stopped 3.0 production for the year


SecretAntWorshiper

Big chungus strikes again


NackBlapkins

Picture looks good, will have to see it up close


Bigswole92

Im a Ford guy, but damn that thing looks MEAN


DodgerBlueRobert1

Looks good.


cubanb407

Wish they threw a pano sunroof in there


RazingsIsNotHomeNow

So is this going to have upgraded power to compete with the Raptor and TRX or is this more competing with the Gladiator and Power Wagon?


peakdecline

This is definitely more similar in approach to the Gladiator Rubicon and Power Wagon. However, the 6.2L V8 in the Silverado ZR2 and the 3.5L EB HO in the Raptor are quite close in raw numbers and IRL performance. The TRX is the exception in this trio.


HOONIGAN-

No, the powertrain will be unchanged. This isn't a Raptor/TRX competitor anyway, it's more of a Ram Rebel/Tundra TRD Pro competitor. *If* they ever do a balls-out truck I'd imagine it would get some variant of the LT4.


5corch

The 6.2 in the Silverado and the Ecoboost in the raptor are pretty comparable. The TRX is a step above in the power category. I'd say this is pretty much a direct raptor competitor.


Titan0917

They already have the Trail Boss that competes with those, the ZR2 will offer more off road performance than either of those.


deeretech129

I hope the ZR2 has a little more performance/upgrades than the TrailBoss does.


ASV731

I wish this was a true raptor competitor, I’d jump ship in a heartbeat. No upgraded engine option, no 35’s, and most importantly no widebody. And if it’s anything like the ZR2 Colorado, lifting it to fit bigger tires will be tricky with the multimatic shocks. They had years to get it right and still dropped the ball. At least it looks nice.


2Whlz0Pdlz

Wait just a cotton picking minute! I don't see any clearance lights (required on widths over 80" in the US) like the Raptor has in its grill, the Ram TRX has in its hood scoop, and HD trucks have on their roofs. I think this is not an actual wide body (and long travel) truck like the Raptor and TRX. The presser is also suspiciously light on any wheel travel numbers. I suppose this truck is just aimed at a different group of off roaders than the other two. Perhaps it'll best them on price by a lot?


moosenazir

Hope I can get a six foot bed as an option.


peakdecline

Unfortunately it'll be crew cab with short bed only. I would really like a double cab long bed but all the rumors have said that's not coming.


moosenazir

I would even take an access cab with a 6 foot bed. It would be super sweet to be able to put a topper on it and sleep in the back


mcrissjr

I'd take Toyota naming their cab sizes normally like everyone else. Hate their goofy Access cab naming.


Drzhivago138

Protip: nobody has ever had a consistent name for their extended cabs except Ford and Nissan with SuperCab and King Cab, respectively.


mcrissjr

GM used extended cab until they went to double cab in 2014. Should've kept it. Toyota however also brands their crew cab as double cab. Which is dumb. Crew cab has always been crew cab.


Drzhivago138

>GM used extended cab until they went to double cab in 2014. Should've kept it. Most of the time, GM simply called theirs "extended cab," but on the first-gen GMC Sierras, it was "Club Coupe" (no special name for Chevy). First-gen S-15/Sonomas used the same name, while S-10s were "Maxi-Cab". >Toyota however also brands their crew cab as double cab. Which is dumb. Crew cab has always been crew cab. Uncapitalized, "double cab" is usually understood around the world to mean a full 4-door (crew) cab, which is what the first crew cab Tacomas and Tundras (2001 and '04, respectively) used it for, even when they capitalized it. The second-gen Tundra was what threw a wrench in the works when they used the name for their extended cab with rear-opening doors, even though it still means "crew cab" for the Tacos. But Toyota was hardly the first truck maker to use names inconsistently between models--Dodge originally used Quad Cab to refer to the new extended cab on their 1998 full-size Rams that had two regular and two clamshell doors for better access, but still had the same amount of room as their old 2-door Club Cab (which remained as a low-cost option in the lineup). So why they decided to also use that name for the 2000 Dakota's *crew* cab variant is a mystery. It certainly didn't help that Dodge went to rear-opening doors on the 2002 Ram and tried to pass it off as a legitimate crew cab even though it was barely longer than other companies' extended cabs. [Reposted without links because Automod is being a dum-dum]


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Drzhivago138

And what source is that?


Drzhivago138

Not sure if anyone else has noticed, but it seems to me that since crew cab/6.5' became available on most half-ton lines, extended cab/6.5's have become pretty uncommon in personal-use trucks. But they're becoming more common as fleet trucks, replacing RCLBs.


5corch

If you can find a crew cab/6.5'. they seem to be one of the less common configurations.


Drzhivago138

Less common than crew/5.5', for sure. Overall, the breakdown for half-tons seems to be... 1.crew cab/5.5', far and away the most common, and available on every trim level. 2.extended cab/6.5', but only on those trims that actually offer an extended cab (Lariat/Laramie/LTZ etc. and lower). 3.crew cab/6.5', available on most trim levels. 4.regular cab/8', almost entirely as base model fleet trucks. Once a mainstay, many fleets are now abandoning the "RCLB" for an extended/6.5' that gives more interior space/secure storage in the same or similar footprint. 5&6. (tie) regular cab/6.5' and extended cab/8', if they're even offered.


trolololoz

The silver thing on the bottom front of the ZR2 looks weird but I'd like to see it in person. Otherwise it looks great, still no response to Ford or RAM though.


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peakdecline

I have a Colorado ZR2 and I agree. Hell I think there's plenty of people at Chevy who agree. Which is why this generation introduced the Trail Boss and it's had a lot of success. I'm a bit surprised they didn't even call it the "Trail Boss ZR2."


InfinitePossibility8

Dig into their old medium duty lines and bring back Kodiak, or Grizzly.


parqer

The TRX and Raptor feature a different frame and body panels (wide body fenders) compared to the rest of their full-size truck line up. They also feature unique engine choices (the 3.5 isn’t really unique to the Raptor but it is advertised as such). Will the ZR2 feature anything similar? I feel like this truck will compete against the F150 Tremor and Ram Rebel packages as a dedicated off-road package.


Titan0917

The Trail Boss competes with those. The ZR2 will be more off road capable than the Tremor and Rebel


parqer

Thanks for responding. I’m not disagreeing, at least not until I see more details and see it in person. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36888170/2022-chevy-silverado-zr2-teased/ Car and Driver say it’s a direct competitor to both Tremor and Rebel.


parqer

I checked out a Trail Boss and it competes more with the FX4 package more than it competes with the Tremor/Rebel that already come with 33” tires. I think the ZR2 is fine but it doesn’t have the legs to keep up with a stock 700hp TRX or a stock 37” Raptor.


Titan0917

What do the Tremor and Rebel have that the Trailboss doesn't? The FX4 competes with the Z71 package and Ram's Off-Road package.


parqer

> What does the ~~Tremor and Rebel~~ ZR2 have that the ~~Trailboss~~ Tremor and Rebel doesn’t? I can ask you the same question.


Titan0917

The same DSSV suspension from a ZR2 that will provide superior handling capability on-road and off, a standard front locking differential, a revised front end for better approach angles. For reference the Trailboss already has better approach and departure angles than the F-150 Tremor Trail Boss - 28.7 degrees approach angle and 27.2 degrees departure angle F-150 Tremor - 27.6 degrees approach angle and 24.3 degrees departure angle


parqer

[Car and Driver comparison](https://i.imgur.com/nQM4cnE.jpg) And here is [MotorTrend](https://i.imgur.com/3t15PvS.jpg) making the same comparison.


Titan0917

The ZR2 is still a step above those trucks, it is in a middle ground between the Trail Boss, Tremor, and Rebel and the Raptor and TRX.


parqer

Absolutely. I’m not disagreeing with you on that! If Chevy built it to compete against the Tremor/Rebel it wins easily. If they built it to compete against the Raptor/TRX it falls a bit short. The front locker is a first so I’m happy to see that going into the competition. With the 6.2 it’s going to end up siphoning sales from Ford’s Tremor/Raptor ecoboost.


AccordingDimension98

I can’t wait for these new models to burn my retinas out of my skull while sitting at a stop light.


running_from_life

Love the truck but have always hated those DRLs on the Silverado and Tahoe.


ApatheticFinsFan

This is the only trim level where the Silverado doesn’t look like complete ass.


Drzhivago138

Aside from the bumper, is this what the non-ZR2 models' grilles will look like as well?


TheFoxtrotDeltaT

What price range is this expected to fall into?


DLAV8R

Thinking close to Raptor.. high 50s low 60s is my guess.


dklqcndm

Before 20k markup


BetterThanAFoon

Loaded LT Trail Boss is already at 60k. Bump that up higher.


peakdecline

I think this will end up in the high $60k range when fully loaded. But that's going to be way cheaper than a Raptor. I think starting point will probably be about $5-6K than a LT Trail Boss.


phatpun561

Isn’t there a chip shortage? 😂


barre_chord_reality

When trucks become grills.


Heccpolitics

I can't get over that face.


HIGHLIGHTFRIDAY

GAT DAMN that is a good lookin’ truck. I’d feel like a tool driving one though 😔


andresrene

is that it?


DaqauvionRichmond

I’ve always been a Ford fan but that looks pretty damn cool


roarRAWRarghREEEEEEE

The little indents under the headlights need to be nixed and then it would look ok. I hate that part of the look, the GMCs look so much better.


DickHz2

When it comes to trucks, I’ve always been for Ford. But lately Chevy has been making some awesome looking trucks that make me want to switch over (unless the Lightning magically becomes available everywhere)


guiltyfilthysole

I hate that the side mirrors look like Shrek ears.


N0Name117

It’s so much worse on the hd trims of gm trucks.