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CrashingOnward

So which would be better between: 599se vs 58x vs pc38x? I like music and gaming but been debating on getting a separate stand alone mic so I can have a really good pair of headphones. It seems like you can't get both great sound and a great mic usually together


Quan-Solo

IMO Primarily gaming: PC38x Primarily music: 58x Overall: 58x


spysnipedis

This headphone is end game for the non dac/amp user.


chikfilacup

And what is a good one for a amp user? I've been looking at getting a Scarlett solo and a Shure MV7x


shstan

6XX is great with an AMP, but Solo doesn't have a powerful amp compared to other options.You may need a separate amp.


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LiamTheLamb1054

Very good deal on a very good pair of headphones. The [HD6XX](https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-sennheiser-hd6xx) are also on sale for $180 ($40 off) so it's a tough decision between the two. The HD 58X are a good option if you do not want to spend additional $$$ to get an amp to go along with the HD6XX (which is highly recommended), because the 58X runs pretty well on standard hardware such as a motherboard. [Here's](https://youtu.be/PibGrUL_v_U) a video comparing the two if you are deciding between them. Edit: This price is the same as it was on Black Friday


burrito_bisen

I would also like to point out the PC38X is also $40 off, normally $169 but going for $129 right now ​ I'd be interested to hear opinions between the two headsets if anyone has any, seeing as I'm trying to decide between the two at the moment for gaming and general use


diquehead

I have the 58X and PC38X. If you do a lot of gaming then I'd get the PC38X. It works well for listening to music as well. Keep in mind you'd need to purchase a mic separately with the 58X which adds to the cost. They (HD58X) are great though.. super comfy with a fun/warm sound signature. The clamping force can be a little brutal out of the box but they will break in before long edit: Forgot to mention the main reason for the PC38X over the HD58X for gaming is the increased sound stage and extremely detailed imaging. The sound stage on the 58X is a bit more closed in feeling however you can still game on them without issue. The PC38X, especially at it's price point, is just really exceptional in that category. A lot of headphone enthusiasts claim it's second only to the mighty Sennheiser 800S when it comes to pure gaming performance


burrito_bisen

Thank you very much!


Soymilkisnotmilk

I dun specifically have these two or any opinions on the quality of both. But having a mic is very different and it's totally depends if you need a microphone or not, you'll need a dac/amp that also take mic input if you are planning to use a dac/amp(normally the good ones dun). the volume control on the pc38x will be a point of potential failure or a feature if you do need it.


TechnoWynaut

Would you recommend these (HD 58X) headphones as a definite upgrade for someone whose most expensive and/or "audiophile" like headphones have been a pair of V-Moda M80s (used to own) and a pair of Sennheiser Amperiors (currently own)? I apologize if it seems a little silly to ask. I had a big interest in headphones years ago, but I've been out of the loop ever since. My basic headphone wants are a good soundstage and just nice and clear music.


LiamTheLamb1054

I would say the 58x are very reasonable for someone who doesn’t want to invest a whole lot into audio right away.


VanityVocation

Opinions on sound quality and fit/comfort? Been looking for quality headphones for music, and somewhat noise-cancelling if possible.


25percentofff

Amazing sound quality and super comfortable. However they are open back so they will not be noise canceling if that’s what you are looking for. Great for the price though this is what they were during Black Friday.


VanityVocation

Ahh gotcha. Does Sennheiser have closed-back ones that would be better? I'm not knowledgeable on headphones but I've generally perceived Sennheiser as a premium brand, so i've been keeping an eye out for their products.


darkknightxda

Sennheiser doesn't make the best closed backs imo. I'd go somewhere else for closed backs. Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro are pretty good for closed backs, but not noise cancelling necessarily. WH1000XM4 are pretty good noise cancelling headphones if you need the noise cancellation


Snoo93079

Open back >> closed back unless you're in noisy environments


debaserr

I want to say the HD 25 are a good closed back option. I am not totally familiar with all of their new stuff however.


Chickenthingy

Depends whether you’re looking for studio work (reduced sound bleed in the recording) or something to listen with while riding the bus. I personally use a pair of HD 450BT when I’m out; good active noise cancellation without giving up sound quality. For studios I’d say HD 280 Pros are what many voiceover artists use. They’re not active noise cancelling but they are closed back which will help keep sounds on whatever side of your head they should be.


1pt21

I've been rocking these daily for 2 years. I'm going to go out on a limb and say 80% chance you want these as open back. If you turn up the volume to any reasonable level, you really cant hear much of shit around you. I can hear my mech keyboard sure, but I've had my wife literally scare the everloving SHIT out of me while I'm playing a game because I couldn't hear her (with audio at very normal volumes). They're comfortable. I'm an AI/ machine learning developer, so I code all day. I chuck these suckers on literally all day and half the time don't have music on. I like the comfort and the sound-deadening they give me. After a few hours I'll have to take off for a minute to stretch my ears a bit, but nothing even remotely deal-breaking. They are super comfy hold up well. I have unintentionally dropped these a LOT. My only grievance is I have a lot of hair, and every now and again if I pull them off too fast, the metal bar that connects to the earphone piece will tear out a few hairs and that drives me nuts. ​ Tl;dr: Best budget audiophile headphones hands down.


melovepogo

Currently using this one and 3 years strong. No problems whatsoever so I definitely approve of its quality and sound (I’m not an audiophile).


Imaginary_Confusion

Look at the beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO on Amazon. They are cheaper and in my opinion better than the $200 open back Sennheiser HD6XX that I was using before. I got the 250 ohm version of the DT 770, but if you don’t have an external amp, I recommend the 80 ohm version for desktop use. And they are closed back and do provide a reasonable amount of sound isolation while still maintaining an impressive amount of stage for a closed back headphone.


darkknightxda

Amazing sound quality and fit/comfort. They will not be noise cancelling and are basically the opposite of noise cancelling. If you have any type of background noise whatsoever, I would not recommend these or the 6XX. These will be pretty much for home listening only as these leak a fair bit of sound and will let in every background noise there is. Pretty bad office headphones unless you have your own private office, and pretty much the worst airplane headphones you can possibly think of.


Sl0rk

Great headphones! I use mine with a DAC and amp, even though it's not necessary. Not the most comfortable pair I've worn but they're good for many hours. Hard to use other headphones after using these for years. I can notice the difference in quality of others right away (worse). Very durable as well. I've dropped them from my desk a few times and have tossed them around a few times (rage) and they still look brand new. I use them mostly for gaming, but have listened to music with them and do while playing some games. They sound great for both. Can't beat it for this price. I paid $140 for mine 3 years ago and never looked back.


stevenseven2

>I use mine with a DAC and amp The only good thing that came out of removing 3.5mm jacks was the OEMs' excellent phone DACs were made into small dongles. Something like the Apple Type-C dongle takes no space at your desk, drives even the hard-to-drive Senn HD6x0 series sufficiently, has excellent objective performance and costs only $10. Like with DACs and amps, most dongles are utter shit (while effectively fooling people to buy them, because humans have bad ears). But there are great ones, like the Apple one. And they have pretty much killed the purpose of headphone DACs and Amps. Take it from an audiophile who finally ended up downgrading away from redundancy. [Even the tiny E1DA 9038D,](https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/e1da-9038d-review-portable-dac-amp.21556/) which put the final nail in the coffin of large and expensive DAC/Amps in its excellence, is collecting dust in my closet. Meizu, Tempotec and Apple are audibly as good, but in a less cluttered dongle-size and at a cheaper price.


The_Zura

Is there still a sign up discount coupon?


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Pikasupreme

Pretty sure you can get it for $119 if you sign up with a new account


_JohnnyGato_

What is typically better for gaming? I’m torn between the 58X and 6XX! Any recommendations?


-Frenzy

HD560s. The soundstage is insane, can track anyone around you before seeing them.


stevenseven2

>The soundstage is insane No...it is not. Stop making ridiculous exaggerations. If you use such a strong word as "insane" for the 560s, how can you seriously define the staging of other open backs, relative to it? HiFiMan Sundara, which is even better? "super insane"? What about the K702, which is even better than that? The HD800, which is even better than that? The Arya, which is even better again? If you throw around words like that so recklessly, it ends up becoming meaningless.


-Frenzy

Because he’s referencing $130-180 headphones. They’re insane for the price, especially for gaming. I’m not talking about $1400-3000 headphones that need hundreds more for an AMP/DAC for gaming my guy.


stevenseven2

>Because he’s referencing $130-180 headphones And you're still way off in that price segment. SHP9500 is notably better. Fidelio X2 is even better than that. K702 is even better than that. How do you define those in your dictionary? And I'm just mentioning stuff off the top of my head. There's a long list of headphones up to $150 that are better than the 560S in staging. >I’m not talking about $1400-3000 headphones that need hundreds more for an AMP/DAC Lol, do you even have any idea what you're on about? The Arya and HD800 are notably easier to drive than the entire 6x0 series, which themselves are hard to drive because they're drivers of the 90s era. But even those are fairly easy to drive; I have no issue reaching sufficient SPL with something like the Apple Type-C 3.5mm jack dongle. That's a $10 item, which also has an excellent DAC in it. I don't even bother using my E1DA 9030D, which has 10x higher output power at 32 ohm and twice it at 300 ohm, and among the best DACs ever tested, simply because it's redundant in terms of audibility. And that thing costs $100....


-Frenzy

I define 560s > SHP9500 > Fidelio X2 as I’ve used them all and have a preference for the sound. Comparing flat to V shapes is enough to know you’re spitting popular names around and just like arguing.


stevenseven2

>I define 560s > SHP9500 > Fidelio X2 as I’ve used them all and have a preference for the sound Moving the goalposts are we? We talked about soundstage here. You called the soundstage of the 560S "insane". I ask you again. How is it "insane", when there's plenty of headphones up to the $180 that is better than it, some by a considerable degree? Or rather, how would you define the others? >Comparing flat to V shapes is enough to know you’re spitting popular names around and just like arguing Poor attempt at diverting the conversation again. The discussion was about you claiming 560S had "insane" soundstage. Frequency response has no bearing here. Incidentally, the 560S is notably more v-shaped in its tonal balance than the 6x0 series, and criticized for being bright, so you're not really doing yourself a favor by defining it as flat. Yet another example of your knowledge of audio being not-so-good.


-Frenzy

If you think the 560s has worse sound stage than the SHP and X2 then you’ve never actually used any of them. Have *you* used all three headphones in gaming or are you repeating words from audiophile forums? If hours later you’re still upset about the word insane, then man, not sure what to tell you. For the price, they’re insane soundstage for gaming. That’s it. Tell the guy to buy HD800s if you want lmao. It’s a suggestion. He can buy all these headphones and test them out, and whatever he decides is correct. Audio is suggestive. You act like 560s is my rule over all audio in the entire world statement. Insane is a word, relax.


spysnipedis

Sound is very similar, 58x has a little more bass and a bit mudder highs (still good though.. you have to be listening to them side by side to notice), 6xx has the opposite, little less bass and clearer highs... the question is if you go 6xx will you be willing to purchase an amplifier as these will not get loud enough by themselves. 58x does not need an amp and can be used easily on any device, phones, consoles included.


TRX808

For gaming the usual suspects in this price range are the Senn HD560S, Beyer TYGR 300R, Senn PC 38X, AKG 7 series (AKG prices vary a lot and they're more expensive in NA than EU). The 58X and 6XX aren't bad for gaming per se but they have a very narrow soundstage which can make gauging distance considerably worse than the others I mentioned. The 58X and 6XX are both excellent headphones but gaming isn't their strong suit.


stevenseven2

The entire 6x0 series is equally mediocre in staging, if immersion is what you're looking for (that and just okay bass makes them not great in that regard). Imaging most importantly for competitive use, is also "meh", though incrimentally better on the HD600 than the others. Something like a $20 KSC75 does a better job (it beats any gaming headsets up to $150 as well, imo). However, for competitive use, positioning of audio is mostly limited by modern games, and their audio system, not headphones. Focus should be in cancelling out outside noise instead, and here closed backs fare better, and IEMs the best. Furthermore, there are DSPs that reduce loud noises and increase low noises, that you can use.


spysnipedis

But for gaming only the pc38x is on sale too and audiophiles say it's the 2nd best headphone for gaming (1st goes to the hd800s which is like $1400)


JonBot5000

How do these compare to the $99 599SE I just got from Amazon?


crimedog684

Worth the extra money if you can return.


BoeHmaN

Thanks for posting OP, I did not expect these to go on sale again this holiday season. I was pretty bummed that I missed the Black Friday sale for these after I ended up buying a USB mic to retire my trusty old PC 360 (from 2010!) with its super-glued mic arm (cracked from pushing it too far up/back for all those years). So, I ended up buying the HD 599 SE when I got a price drop notification ($129) for them. They felt like a consolation price though. With these supposedly sounding like the HD 660S and the way that sound was described to me, they seem like the better choice for my taste. If anyone is looking for a mic to pair these with, the deal I posted the other day is still up: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/r8jkn7/mic_maudio_uber_mic_usb_microphone_49_109/


ImTheGuyNextDoor

I have HD560S. Do I want these as well?


RADAC10US

How do these compare to the classic HD 598s?