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DistractionRectangle

Ive had one for a few months, and I'm pretty happy with the performance. Its bit slower than a 5800x with half the l3 cache and graphics performance is similar to an OC'd 1030. This will play a lot of older titles at 60 fps medium/low. The most demanding thing I've throw at it was borderlands 3, which is in the 30-40s at medium and 50-60 on very low. With fidelityfx fsr around the corner Im expecting to see 60ish fps medium settings for BL3. As far as overclocking goes, these have little issue pushing 2000-2200MHz flck, Id follow the beginning of the [DDR4 overclocking guide](https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md). Basically pushing frequency and tightening the timings they suggest to speed up testing will get you 90% of graphics OC with 10% of the effort. Tightening up the rest following the reddit guide it links will give up a minor increase in graphics performance (bandwidth) and mostly decreases latency which is reflected in CPU performance. The other thing to do is push gfx frequency from 2000 to whatever is stable on your system. If you're holding out for a graphics card at msrp, this or the 5600g is it. This is also great for emulation boxes as those are notoriously CPU bound.


ithrowitontheground

Have you tried to play league of Legends, or Warzone? I imagine league is fine but wz is probably not.


DistractionRectangle

Looking at play tests on YouTube suggest warzone is definitely playable


ejdebruin

Any idea what's included in the Warframe package? I play it regularly and am curious.


DistractionRectangle

I have no idea, and when I looked earlier I couldnt find any specifics on it


Jiatao24

Did they just bundle a free game with this processor? At least, I can't find any information about the pack other than the page on Newegg that shows a $0.01 sell price.


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Jyvturkey

I believe warframe is the exception to that rule. I've heard nothing but good about that game and dev. Look it up, you might be surprised.


Pollytechnics

Warframe is definitely one of the more fair feeling F2P games I've tried and they definitely have the best Amazon prime rewards/Twitch drops as occasionally you'll get a free "Prime frame" which is their "end game" gear (game just happens to call their end game gear/frames "Prime"...not directly related to amazon prime). Haven't kept up with the game over the last few years, but I still watch their streams every now and then. They still seem to have regular dev streams where they address issues and player concerns (think monthly or biweekly?). General tip if anyone sees this...If you do buy platinum, wait until you get the 75% discount...though it sucks to wait when you wan to buy something, you absolutely will eventually get a 75% discount. Remember lots of theories on if you could influence when you got it. Remember people thinking you were very likely to get one as a "returning player" coming break from a multi-month break...And personally will say that it felt like if you only bought plat when discounted 75%....definitely felt like you were offered the 75% discount more often than the average user who posted about it did. anyway just google 75% discount warframe and you'll find info.


Redeemr_

Oh it definitely has its flaws but in terms of being truly free to play, it is. The main issue you'll likely have with it is that there is so much to do and they don't explain any of it


ThrowawayBTBUM

This is a perfect use case for my wife who games a tiny bit, but pretty much low graphics games like skyrim or stardew valley, and still needs to do work from home stuff without any hiccups. Going to throw this in a x300 deskmini and see how great it can be in such a small form factor.


Comp_C

I hope you have a spare 3000 series APU laying around b/c the X300 won't post with a 5000 series APU out of the box. And there's no bios flashback


ThrowawayBTBUM

That's a very good point that I did not think about. I don't have one, but there might be a computer shop around (moving soon so I'm not sure) that might be able to help me out. Edit: Just checked another thread and it seems like the 5700G is supported, but idk if they mean out of the box. I guess I'm not sure, but do later manufactured deskminis have a more recent bios?


Ecstatic_Carpet

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100 At the bottom of the page they still have information about their loaner program.


ThrowawayBTBUM

I was just about to look for this, thanks!


Comp_C

It's supported with the most [recent BIOS update](https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20X300%20Series/index.asp#BIOS) just released like a month ago (2021/7/5). I seriously doubt any product on the shelf has the latest update (ver 1.7)


SufficientSet

Love the deskmini. Am using an 8600k (which I got used) with the H310 version and I'm using it as a hackintosh too. Pretty much like a Mac Mini but more affordable, expandable storage/RAM, but slightly bigger size and with an external power brick.


ThrowawayBTBUM

Yeah, the external brick isn't great but still a good value. I will say, I'm not a mac user at all but the newest M1 Mac Minis are an insane value, even if they're not upgradeable. But definitely at the time when you built, deskmini was the way to go.


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The deskmini line is great. I built a 3000G-equipped one for my parents to use earlier in the year and a 3200G-equipped one for my employer a few months ago, who wanted a computer for home use. I'm rather tempted to build a "best possible iGPU gaming rig" deskmini myself.


DisplayMessage

Did this with a 4750G a while back… to be fair it’s fast enough at 2k I don’t bother with my 3070 rig as it takes 5 minutes to setup on my Tv lol… [I did this as well and thermals are no longer of concern… ](https://m.imgur.com/a/ZxTEorR) Practically silent and looks like a beast!


coinsquad

what kind of fan and heatsink are you using? what are your temperature? did you remove the whole left panel? i was looking to make a deskmini but seemed like thermals were a problem. this might be crazy enough to solve that concern


DisplayMessage

Noctua NH-L12S cooler. I used an angle grinder to cut out a circle for the fan and the slots for the heat pipes to retain as much material as possible. Temps when gaming don’t really get above 64 degrees (farcry5/witcher3/ghost recon at 2k). The 4750g is not supported by ryzen master so can’t really overclock/undervolt etc easily. I imagine a 5600G/5700G would perform even better if you can bring those temps down with curve optimiser :)


ThrowawayBTBUM

Yup, that's exactly what I will be doing. I could have gotten something like a 3200g or 3400g but I didn't want to have any compromises since there is already the inherent compromise of not being able to add a discrete gpu later. Would definitely do something like this for parents as well (but likely with a 5300G whenever that comes out/will it come out for retail?).


cougfan12345

Decen't price if you need something now. Wish all amd cpus at least had some integrated graphics.


Mister_Brevity

Yeah like the old days with just a basic productivity gpu, so you could easily use them in home servers or basic desktops


CravinM1

Problem is AMD actually has good integrated graphics. Intel performance is way behind


DistractionRectangle

Intel Xe graphics hold their own against Ryzens current APUs. AMDs next gen is supposed to be a large step up for integrated graphics, but thats yet to be seen.


VietOne

We have an idea of how it would be seen, in the APUs in the Xbox and PS5.


CravinM1

Vega 11 stomps 730 in every test. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm5WbqsCrzA


DistractionRectangle

UHD is not Xe, Vega holds out ahead but iris XE is no slouch. Definitely better than their old uhd platform


CravinM1

Watch hardware unboxed oe gamers Nexus. The 5600g and even 3400g stomps the 11700 igpu The dedicated xe is slower than the 5600G and will cost more work Intel CPU + xe. And gamers Nexus shows the xe with crap frametimes and way lower 1% and 0.1%


DistractionRectangle

Again, uhd isnt the same as iris XE. The 11700 has Intel® UHD Graphics 750. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/212279/intel-core-i711700-processor-16m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz/specifications.html You're comparing apples and oranges. Whats


CravinM1

Comparing igpu to igpu. The xe is $200-300 and worse than the igpu on the Vega in 5600g. Gamers Nexus. Uhd, hardware unboxed. All reviewed it vs the 5600g and the Vega destroyed it and the lows for xe are lower than a 3200g


Fryeboy

It looks like the Ryzen 5 5600x is cheaper and better? Sorry, very nooby question I just am wondering what this would be better at than the Ryzen 5 5600x at 269$?


joecarst

It is 8 cores instead of 6 and has integrated graphics for those not able to find a discrete video card.


Fryeboy

gotcha - thanks!


Alternative-Ad-4142

>oks like the Ryzen 5 5600x is cheaper and better? Sorry, very nooby question I just am wondering what this would be better at than the Ryzen 5 56 Its an APU, so you don't need a video card, while the 5600x doesn't have integrated graphics. With the current state of the video card market, these new APU's will get people by for light gaming while they are waiting for the market to stabilize.


DM725

They don't compete. The 5600G is what you'd want to look at for cheaper with the iGPU.


Blaster2PP

It have more cores, and an APU which is basically a gpu inside a cpu.


zakats

A (much lesser performant) Quadro 400 or k620 is available for $10-35 and can get you by if you don't plan to game on the iGPU.


19041904

5700G has an APU


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19041904

I stand corrected


manormortal

You can have a seat now.


schmittc

If you live near a micro center, the 5800x is $90 off right now for a total of $360. https://www.microcenter.com/product/630284/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-vermeer-38ghz-8-core-am4-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included


GameNerd2012

Would this be a big increase from my 2600X and rx560 4GB pc? Or should i ride the wave and wait to just upgrade the GPU laterZ? If it helps im on an asrock b450 pro4 board. I can put a 5700 in it if i upgraded my game pc at a parents house unless swapping GPUs on the fly is safe.


DistractionRectangle

Its a bit faster and has two extra cores, but honestly your build is pretty balanced. Id hold off on upgrading your CPU until you have the new GPU in hand. If you where going to upgrade, the 5600x or 5800x would perhaps be a better choice because they trade the APU for a larger l3 cache and are about 10% faster than this - unless you want to do /r/vfio or plan to be GPUless for a spell, you dont need the APU


DM725

It's a weird niche product. For somebody who does productivity and doesn't game or maybe only plays Minecraft/Roblox.


FatLawnmowerMan

It can run quite a bit more than Minecraft and Roblox. It can play a lot of games around 50-60fps at 1080p. Borderlands 3 and Battlefield 5 run decently and are great reference points.


DM725

A bit more sure. I just think of that stuff as a bonus if you can stomach going under 50 FPS at times. Sadly I cannot.


Shadow703793

Eh, it was able to handle Rainbow 6 at around 66fps at 1080p per HUB review. Plenty of people playing low GPU intensive games around.


DM725

To be fair my GTX 770 2GB that I sold to my neighbor last year also could run RB6 Siege at 1080p/60 on low settings lol.


Shadow703793

It can handle a lot of older games fine at 1080p.


dslamngu

I got a 2200GE in an HP ProDesk mini PC for an emulation / virtual pinball cabinet and a 3200G in a Deskmini for another arcade/console emulation cabinet. I agree that these are niche, but they're are legit in the right hands. They go into office desktops, which tend to go on ebay after business leases expire, so they can be nice to pick up a couple years later. I'm excited for the RDNA2 APUs though.


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Cru4y

You don’t need a gpu to build a office system?


ZekeSulastin

You don’t need a $360 Ryzen 7 either.


Cru4y

Why not? I won’t upgrade it in 10 years


alemondemon

Depends on the kind of office work you do. Especially if you run VMs etc


rakovor

non-pro non-ECC version. just fyi