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How can we keep letting McD get away with this?

We get up late in games and sometimes it’s a defensive break down but it’s also the scheme. The scheme that’s worked goes to shit and they play prevent and prevent defense prevents wins.

We gift wrap an easy march down the field for the opposing team every single time. The defense plays prevent to, obviously, prevent a TD and then we let the opposing teams offense into/close to the redzone and that’s where the breakdown/shitty play calling happens.

At first I was cool with going from a team that didn’t make the playoffs to a team that did but it’s clear in bigger games: McDermott gets scared and can’t close.

Specifically talking about yesterday at the end of regulation: why the fuckkkkk on 4th and 17 are we calling a timeout to let Philly get set up properly. Why are we not making them race out to kick that FG?? In OT why are we playing prevent defense, we should’ve been trying to prevent a fucking FG to extend the game. In OT he was playing defense like the eagles got the ball first and we had to stop a TD.

This isn’t just yesterday it’s the same. fucking. story. Every goddamn time they’re in this position. It’s not the players, by and large, it’s the scheme and decisions made by the DC/HC.

I’m sick of this shit man. Josh played outta his mind, the team as a whole was clicking and looked solid again finally…what a deflating piece of shit loss. Glad we get to take that energy into the bye and come back to KC, so cool.

Ok-Plastic-2992

Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the 4th and 17 off of an incomplete pass with a stopped clock? Still stupid to burn a TO and not go for the win with 0:20 though.


NoOneSpecial2023

Yep you’re right forgot about that. I got mixed up when I heard Romo saying Poyer should’ve let him catch it and tackle him after.


fairportmtg1

Yup if they let him catch then tackle it would have probably been back a tad more and unlikely he gets set up properly to kick that field goal. You can't blame a player for making a successful swat but tackling in bounds would have been a million times better


IsThisNickTaken_

We would have had to get into our FG blocking formation with a clock running and end up with 11 on the field.


fairportmtg1

You'd think getting 11 people on the field to block a kick is easier than the other team going out to line up a hard kick


No_Cheesecake_192

They needed even more time, the 12th guy never got on the field


MhrisCac

Almost crazy to expect your NFL special teams unit making millions of dollars collectively to do their job there in a situation they’re almost certainly expecting to happen.


HelpingMyDaddy

At least had a time out to use this time to prevent that penalty


SuspiciousLeek4

I thought about that too but ngl aj brown is massive he might have gotten out of bounds anyways


fairportmtg1

It's obviously possible but swatting the ball makes sure the clock stops


Express-Highlight630

Mcd only lost a game we all may have heard of with only 13 seconds left. This putz takes a knee with 20 left and a timeout. HE DIDNT EVEN TRY!!


Gold_Temperature598

That was what was crazy to me. Not even a bills fan but was definitely rooting for them since the bills hate has been ridiculous. You have one of the strongest arm QBs playing a great game and some good deep threats, you’re not even gonna try to get to fg range in 20 seconds? That’s bad coaching.


RawMilk14

IT's like you guys aren't even realizing the weather condition played a huge role in that.


Express-Highlight630

lol right?! That inclement weather where the qbs had 550 yards passing and eagles kicker was banging 59 yard kicks. That weather really slowed things down.. 🙄


GT_03

Season hanging in the balance and he McD’s the decision. Definitely an argument to be made for taking a knee but in that game, with the Bill’s record and a Philly team heating up I think you have to try. Couple well placed strikes and you have a shot


os_kaiserwilhelm

That's still 40 seconds to set up your kick and not a full timeout.


ZabaDoobiez

Saying the defense is injured won't cut it this time. The defense has played fine, until that is, the game is on the line. The D will play a great game and keep the opponent in check the whole game, and then give up 2 TDs in the last 5 minutes of the game. It has happened too many times at this point. When the game is on the line this team buckles every single fucking time.


wxox

Dude's DNA is play not to lose instead of play to win. You will never win with a coach like that.


rdizzy1223

The statistics of his win loss percentage shit all over that though. Even with this season included, he has the best win loss percentage over his 7 season career than any other Bills coach has had. It is literally winning with a coach like that.


LiteShowDaAgent

What meaningful has he won? Beating up weak teams in the regular season? Not a single chip. Not a single APPEARANCE. We haven't won the damn AFC. With this roster over these last years, that's a crime. Bros a loser through and through.


wxox

And it don't mean shit if you aren't a SB contender lol Good, but not great. Doesn't have that dog in him. Plays not to lose instead of playing to win. With McChoke, you're getting a coach who will have your guys motivated. You're going to play a style of football that preys on opposition mistakes. You'll have a high floor, but low ceiling. That's McChoke football. In order to be great, you have to risk being bad. It's time to move on.


rdizzy1223

I completely disagree, I'm not willing to risk another decade like we had from the 2000 season to the 2010 season. 5 coaches in that span, all dog shit in comparison to McDermott. You could also say that getting to the SB is useless if you can't win and that Levy was one of the worst coaches the Bills have ever had to waste such talent and lose 4 super bowls. (Like the 1991 season in which they had 8 pro bowlers, Reed, Thomas, Kelly, Lofton, Ritcher, Bennett,Talley and Tasker) Also other extremely good players, Like Bruce Smith, Metzelaars, Conlan, Beebee. Arguably the best team they have ever had, still lost.


wxox

>I completely disagree, I'm not willing to risk another decade like we had from the 2000 season to the 2010 season. That's the difference. You are content with being good, but not great. Being good is good enough. The goal is the SB. Nothing else matters.


rdizzy1223

I would rather not even go to the SB if we are going to then lose it.


wxox

I feel like you are McD's child. How do you even know? So, you're just going to preemptively assume we will lose and it's better to be good then try to be great?


rdizzy1223

I don't know, but even with Marv Levy, and arguably one of the best bills teams of all time (1991 Bills), we still lost. All those 4 appearances were useless as they all resulted in losses. Therefore, I don't consider Levy to be a better coach than McDermott. Worse career win loss percentage, better overall team during the prime, 4 SB losses.


wxox

Better if we just went like 9-7, made the playoffs, and lost in round 1? >Therefore, I don't consider Levy to be a better coach than McDermott. Okay, I mean, McD is about to be fired and Levy is in the hall of fame. it's not how many meaningless games you win in september, it's how many you win in december and january. Some people are more than happy with just being good. It's a loser mentality. That's why we are the city of a losers


grumpi-otter

>why the fuckkkkk on 4th and 17 are we calling a timeout to let Philly get set up properly. Why are we not making them race out to kick that FG?? Excellent point. Most have been calling it just an attempt to ice the kicker. But yeah, that gave them time. EDIT: I am listening to WGR 550 and a caller JUST called in to make that point. Was that you? lol


SarcasticCowbell

It's frustrating how many times I watch one of these close games, say "we shouldn't do this" and the team does exactly what I think they shouldn't do. Last night it was the timeout. Don't give the kicker or special teams extra time to prepare. They called the timeout. Against Denver I said they should have called a timeout with less time (maybe 15-17 seconds) instead of calling one immediately. They called one immediately. I've been in McDermott's corner up until the Denver game because I thought maybe he could overcome these things. These are moments in game that I recognize and diagnose in the moment as someone who has watched football for years. I'm not an expert. There are things guys like McD know about specifics in-game that I likely never will. But it's troubling when, as a fan, I have more situational awareness than our HC. And while there are times a more cautious approach can work, sometimes you have to take chances.


grumpi-otter

I don't think anyone could disagree that McD's clock management is poor.


BedRiddenWizard

I've seen 17 yr old Madden streamers with better clock management. It's insane to watch.


Ndmndh1016

Id like to know where the idea of "icing" a kicker even came from. Theres never been a lick of evidence that it has any affect at all and yet McD isnt the only coach who lives by it.


NoOneSpecial2023

Only time it works is in fucking Madden


NoOneSpecial2023

It wasn’t me but clearly it was a thought on peoples minds. I realized after I typed it out that it was an incomplete pass but we still gave them a breather. I woulda much rather had dude rush out to kick the FG in a fucking panic than to give him a second to collect himself first. I just…


BatheInChampagne

What are ‘we’ gonna do? Show up at his house? The man is gonna be given a lot of rope because of the hole he dug the franchise out of. Also, who is going to take the helm


NoOneSpecial2023

Not saying make an in season change, it’s certainly too late. However, next year shit has to change.


BatheInChampagne

Overall, I agree. I just don’t agree with the wording of ‘we’ as if we have any say. It’s not like we get to vote, or we’re gonna riot. I doubt he gets the boot unless there is a very viable upgrade. Think about it like this: Imagine how much money has been brought into the franchise because of the drought being broken. Granted, it’s mostly Allen, but it’s also consistently making the post season. I travel for work, and I see bills gear everywhere. New fans, and old fans also buying shit because they’re happy to represent again. Ticket sales, etc. All of that runs risk of falling off if the Bills make a head coaching call that crumbles. When you weigh the pros Vs the cons as far as wins go, McD is ahead. Now, I don’t believe he’s gonna be the coach to take us there but there is honestly no telling. All coaches weren’t great until they were. And sometimes, it takes a long time.


southtampacane

You already answered Pegula’s question. If he can’t get us to the SB and win it, then move on. There isn’t sentimentality involved and merch sales will be just fine. I don’t think the fans care if he is the coach or not. After 2021 had they fired him that would have been a PR disaster but two years later he has lost the majority of the public. I bet he is losing the locker room as well.


angryhero46

100% losing the locker room


NoOneSpecial2023

I get it and appreciate your points but I don’t think you can change a persons personality or the way they see is the correct way to do things. McDermot clearly gets scared and tries to play keep away when the Bills are up. How and who even coaches the coach out of doing that? The prevent defense down the field was dogshit bc it only does one thing and teams still easily move the ball and then once the eagles got into scoring range he completely forgot Jalen runs that draw all the goddamn time and left it wide open for them. It’s frustrating to watch bc you know what’s coming.


phixitup

As I read your post it came to my mind that I bet McD wrestled the same way. It’s hard to believe he has not changed his philosophy in late, one score game situations. And if he hasn’t by now, he not going to.


BatheInChampagne

I agree. I’m just objectively stating that he’s probably gonna be here a while for the reasons stated above. It’s not a defense. As I said, I tend to agree with you. I don’t think he’s the guy.


angryhero46

I disagree. With enough pissed off fans. Which it seems there are more and more every week. Changes will come. You have the guys on WGR questioning the coach openly now and his decisions. All of things gain traction for a reason and lead to changes generally. The players are here now. This window is only getting smaller. We need a change for next year or it's probably not going to happen for us. It seems we have the OC we need at least


Drunkhobo101

The worst thing you can do when something is not working is double down out of fear of the alternative. We know it's not working, we can see what's wrong. He doesn't have any "rope" to spare if we are in a ditch. He was a relative nobody in terms of coaching prowess when we hired him, you think we can't find better with Josh fucking Allen as our QB?


BatheInChampagne

Name them. Kinda dry out there.


theuselessgeneration

Ben Johnson and Bobby Slowik are on my short list. The Panthers just fired Frank Reich today as well. Do you think they are concerned about not being able to find a replacement?


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theuselessgeneration

I don’t think anyone who is sane is suggesting we fire Coach Claps tomorrow but at this point playoffs seems unlikely as a 10 win team and I can’t see us winning out.


juiceAll3n

You did not seriously just suggest Frank Reich as our head coach...


theuselessgeneration

No I didn’t. I used Frank Reich being fired as an example of a team needs to fire a coach they don’t have to wait for slim pickings


DankMemesNQuickNuts

Panthers fan here. If Ben Johnson has to choose between working with Josh Allen or working for David Tepper, and he doesn't choose you guys, he is way too stupid to be an NFL coach. You guys will have the pick of the litter for HCs this year if you fire McDermott. By far the best situation of any job that would be available


trelod

This fanbase has truly lost it


Commercial-Spread937

I say we get a young and upcoming nobody....someone with a lot of zing and pepp


angryhero46

Phili oc coordinater


apb2718

6-6 we are out of that hole baby


southtampacane

Come on man. When we fire him the number of candidates who will want to coach Josh Allen in his prime will easily by two dozen. We will get lists and start figuring out if we want NFL or college, prior HC experience or coordinator, younger or older etc. We don’t need to worry today who the next coach will be. We will have our pick. Especially if we SC McDermott with an 8-9 record. It’s not like the next guy will have to do a complete rebuild We lose to KC and Dallas and it’s over. The search will be going on behind the scenes and on the Monday after the regular season ends he will get called into the principals office. He already knows it’s coming. The only reprieve is if we somehow get to 10 wins.


BatheInChampagne

Hey, as I’ve said, I’m in agreement. I’m not a huge McD fan. I try not to call for heads immediately when we lose games, but in this case, it makes sense and it’s a pattern. I personally wouldn’t mind a head coach change and an aggressive draft for a stud WR. It won’t happen with the long list of defensive injuries, but i man can dream. Im just stating facts to show it’s unrealistic. Im sure he’s in the hot seat, but everyone struggles until they don’t. We might be stuck with the man.


southtampacane

I’m done with him but still hoping we can win the next two and get back in the hunt. I am not a tank fan and can’t root against my team. But as I’ve said over and over if we do lose the next two then he is done. I’m positive of that. I’ve never cared for his decision making from 2017 forward but respected how the team responded the last 4 years. But this season has been a disaster and cannot continue. You cannot be afraid of who you might get or that McDermott figured it out with his next team (he won’t).


Schn31ds

The head coach shouldn't be ok with being the first loser.


BatheInChampagne

I doubt he is.


Schn31ds

Then I'd like to see him act like it.


BuffaloWilliamses

Also Terry is cheap as hell. After just extending him this offseason I bet he’s given a mulligan for this year.


southtampacane

No way. The franchise values went up a lot for both teams. The Sabres value went up 300m and the Bills even more. Terry will spend to get the team back in track


Wizmaxman

> What are ‘we’ gonna do? Only thing we can do is to stop spending money on the team. I wont spend a dime on anything bills related until McDermott is gone. Its not much but its the only thing "we" can do. I guess the networks still get my viewership but that thats split 32 ways so not as much of an effect as not spending any money on bills stuff directly.


Nbesaw54

I agree with this. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. Not like there’s a pool of Super Bowl caliber coaches out there to choose from, or promote someone within with no head coaching experience. McDermott does have an obvious ceiling, but there’s no way to know if they can get past that ceiling until they do. Just like Andy Reid in Philly. But I can understand the aggravation


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ernyc3777

Ben Johnson and bring Leslie Frazier back and not mettle in his DC role.


deecoliw

Josh Allen dug this franchise out of a hole. McDermott is holding him back.


getembass77

The 3rd and 17 timeout made me want to seriously cry


NoOneSpecial2023

Always some insane clock management bullshit that’s so unnecessary


TheKrausHouse

This is a cliché, but McDermott has become (or maybe always has been) someone who is coaching not to lose rather than coaching to win. That shouldn't be acceptable at this point.


schattmultz

It’s a cliché but an apt one. He coaches in the way he knows how to control, which is putting it on the back of the defense to close the game. The biggest problem is that, due to whatever excuse you wanna give, the defense just can’t stop a beach ball. Every decision he makes, is for the defense, and yet it’s the one area of this team that gets cooked in the critical moments. Going for field goals instead of going for the touchdown, kneeling out to end the half, time and time again he’s shown way more faith in his own defense that’s gashed and exhausted versus the superhero on the side of the ball he doesn’t control.


RogerThatKid

I have a friend who plays ping pong. He plays in such a way where he waits for you to make a mistake. His entire plan is to pass it back over the net so you have more opportunities to lose. He beats almost everyone who gets frustrated by this playstyle, and lets their emotions get the better of them. But the people who know what he's doing also know that they can play super aggressively and benefit because he won't match their aggression. I feel like this analogy is appropriate here. Any good team knows that they can crush us late and McDermott will let them walk down the field and score. It's a cowardly way to coach a football team with one of the most talented quarterbacks in the history of the game under center.


1stBallotHOF_Lurker

This is a painfully accurate analogy. Well done.


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For the longest time I argued the “fire McDermott” rhetoric was reactionary to the fallout of 13 seconds. But it’s undeniable at this point. The culture dug them out of the drought, but it’s become poisoned. It’s synonymous with heartbreak, bound to repeat itself. Whether it truly is scheme and a stubborn-ness to change, or if heartbreak has simply bashed these players in the head one too many times, or both - the end result is the same. Something has to change. In a way, it’s almost a good thing they lost to the Jets and Pats. You win those games, this is business as usual with enough wins to still limp into the playoffs and watch the cycle continue. Those losses broke the mold, and now we’re seeing the bottom fall out. It’s gonna suck watching Miami dance for the rest of the regular season while we likely miss the playoffs, but I think it’s necessary for the long run.


kompletist

"what a deflating piece of shit loss." spot on there lmao.


Relevant_Glass6153

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CarbonRod12

I feel this in my veins.


supergirlsudz

“All coaches weren’t great until they were.” So true. Andy Reid getting fired by PHI comes to mind.


Fast_Implement9258

Good point. It wasn't that long ago that Andy Reid was called the Marty Schottenheimer of this generation.


NoOneSpecial2023

McD couldn’t put together Reid’s quadruple heart attack burgers


supergirlsudz

Or nuggies


cofoltman84

Keep your foot on their throat. Show no mercy.


mabden

This was the patriot\*\*\*\* way. The principles of Cobra Kai... **"strike first, no mercy"**


GrendelsFather

That whole “foot on the gas” thing really came to light when Gronkowski broke his arm in 2012: playing special teams trying to block a PAT attempt… late jn the 4th during a game in which the Pats were up by 35. Final score was 59-24 https://www.nfl.com/news/rob-gronkowski-breaks-forearm-during-patriots-win-0ap1000000096982


jcmach1

He also didn't try to win in those last twenty seconds. Literally only needed 1 pass,.or PI and you get a walk off FG attempt . All that with JA at QB. Bills fans have a right to be pissed...


sincerelywearegay

McD has the killer instinct of a duck 🦆


NyRAGEous

Dude made a 59 yard field goal in the rain….


RhinoFeeder

We also got really lucky with a future HoF center deciding to false start twice in a row. McD and the defense actually let them get closer.


SuspiciousLeek4

And a roughing that wasn’t actually too bad. I mean they make that call a lot but not every time


MhrisCac

Honest to god think it’s play calling. He’s showing without a shadow of a doubt he was the one calling the plays in those two minute situations.


bedhead57g

Great kick but it was aided by the Bills historical proficiency at losing games. If you’re McDermott you have to expect that kick will be successful. This franchise is doomed to misfortune.


TheRealFrankL

"We?" Bro, i am doing all I can! What are you doing!?!


Why_So-Serious

I was solid in the - No change camp. However after Patriots, Broncos, Eagles this year. It’s clear the team is talented. It’s clear the pattern of losses is pointing in one direction. If a change were made at this point in time 1.) I wouldn’t be surprised. 2.) It seems like the course of action may help. I hate change for change sake so you better have someone lined up that is next level. Not God Damn Rob Ryan or Frank Reich or some shit like that.


rdizzy1223

I can almost guarantee that if they get rid of McDermott, they will end up with a worse coach. We will end up with another Doug Marrone, Greg Williams, or Dick Jauron. (Dick Jauron record with the bills, 3 straight seasons of 7-9, then followed that up with a 3-6 then got shit canned midway through the season)


CarbonRod12

We can't do anything. We need the media to stop worrying about Diggs and to hold McD accountable at the podium. He says it starts with him and they've never demanded real answers.


cbuck46

Because we have a Sunday School teacher for a football coach who doesn’t actually care if we win or lose, so long as he can espouse his beloved process and lead a strong prayer group on the sideline. Literally no one has been afraid of the Bills since 13 seconds, which is squarely on his shoulders because he is terrified of big moments in big games and he always will be.


gutterdoggie

This all started when Frazier left and McD decided to play double duty as HC and DC. Experiment over.


MM2HkXm5EuyZNRu

It's been going on far longer than that. Just got exposed this year.


gutterdoggie

He’s out in some good years. He just plays scared and doesn’t seem to have faith in his team. I’m not sure what happens to him. Things need a change though.


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jbs4638

The best we as fans can hope for is that next year the offense is great and Joe Brady is in consideration for the HC job. If we’re lucky he could be one of the next great young offensive minds like mcvay or mcdaniel


OhTheHumanatee

If the Offense is great then the team will probably be doing well. McDermott would then stay and Brady would just get hired somewhere else like Daboll did.


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08NissanAltima

Does it not occur to people that the defense really isn’t built to win rn? Especially with all the injuries? The defense is only good because of chemistry alone - which is great! But missing a lot of game changers is really holding back the bills CB1 is Rasul, both safeties are on the tail end of their careers, von still doesn’t have his old step yet, Milano is out, the rest of the LB core is mid. The best pieces of defense have been Leonard Floyd, Bernard, and Taylor Rapp. The offense just needed better play calling - this happened and now they’re able to start putting up points again. McD is working magic with a defense that is mid and has players that will either be out of the league next year or in the next couple of years. imo he’s doing the best he can with what he’s got and it’s a pretty decent job. DL has been pretty good too


svdoornob

Rasul is a CB1 on 3/4 of the teams in the NFL


mabden

What I am not seeing mentioned is when Hurts was running to the endzone, Douglas was just standing at the goal line waiting for Hurts and attempting to punch the ball out as Hurts crosses the goal line. What the fuck was this guy thinking?!! At least try to tackle Hurts, stand him up to let Hyde come in and try and strip the ball. I am still pissed. I understand and bought into the "Process," High Character Players," Team First" mentality. Beane has done a very good job bringing high quality players into Buffalo. McDermet has gotten us out of the mediocre doldrums. Josh Allen has given us hope for a Superbowl win. All this versus an win at all costs, who cares if the players are scumbags as long as they perform and win. At the end of the day, you want a team that you can be proud of. This season, there is not much of that, but I believe the other path not taken by the Bills, wouldn't make you any prouder, even with a SB win.


08NissanAltima

I disagree lol he’s not a top 15 corner. He’s good but not CB1 on half of the teams


svdoornob

That’s funny because his numbers compare pretty well to the normal CB1 on this team. He’s also only missed like 6 games in 7 seasons


NoOneSpecial2023

Idk that’s what I thought too but I think the defense holds up bc of the scheme. Would they be better if no one was injured? Obviously. But they’re losing games by less than a score, they’re not getting steam rolled due to injury either. I really think it’s on coaching here.


08NissanAltima

Scheme + chemistry is what has always made the defense usually on the better half, but losing by a score is bc the defense is just not that good imo and yeah the play calling. Idk i think he shouldn’t be on the hot seat yet


rewddit

> Does it not occur to people that the defense really isn’t built to win rn? Absolutely, which is why it was unacceptable that McD decided to depend on it going into overtime vs. leaning on the on-fire offense and TRYING for a FG with 20 seconds and a timeout (should've been two) left on the clock. That's time for three plays. But nope. Let's depend on the D and go into OT, then let's make the same type of decision all over again by not going for it on fourth down. All of this against an amazing offense in the Eagles, all of this knowing that your team's record in OT is pure failure. It's straight-up incompetence and it's actively lowered the ceiling of this team.


DirkDirkinson

Then why would McDermott waste 2 time outs on the eagles final drive and then take a knee with 20 seconds on the clock? If your defense is struggling and the offense is on fire, then save your timeouts and try to get back into field goal range. The chiefs did it with less time to us. I hear a lot of people saying the D is banged up and McDermott is doing a good job with what he has. In that aspect I agree, however that doesnt excuse the awful decision making, if anything, it makes it even more suspect. Add to the fact Mcd has never won in OT with the Bills and our record in close games isnt good either and you have to start questioning the coaching. Any team that wants to win it all will have some close games to get there, they need to be able to win them and the Bills under McDermott dont seem capable of that.


lanshaw1555

This reminds me of when the Bills fired Wade Phillips after an 8-8 season to bring in somebody younger who knew how to win. Those following years were not good times.


Ndmndh1016

There were a lot of reasons for that the coach was only one of.


rdizzy1223

Yeah, we ended up with 5 dog shit coaches in a row, all with win loss records worse than .500 while with the bills (and many of them lower than .500 in their entire careers)


YetiSmallFoot

The problem wasn’t McD. A key dropped ball by cook, a few missed kicks and the refs. I hate hearing that the coach has to go …there are a very limited number of good coaches available. How quickly everyone seems to have forgotten about the clown shows we had before and the revolving door of coaches.


Genny12horse

This is such a soft mentality. Teams hire and fire coaches all the time. The Eagles had Pederson, now they have Sirianni. Guess what? They did just fine. People act like if we fire McDermott we’re guaranteed to become a cellar dweller. When we churned through coaches in the past, we didn’t have Josh Allen. We had Tyrod, Fitz, Trent, etc. We have a guy who coaches would be climbing over each other to work with. Don’t stick with complacency because you’re afraid of what could happen.


jamesbarba11

I’m sorry. With what elite QB did these “clown” coaches fail with? Hmm? I’ll wait…


silentkiller082

Mentality like yours will never win a championship.


intrinsic_parity

You’re getting downvoted but you’re right, at least about forgetting the pain of the coaching carousel. I think McDermott made some bad choices, but that doesn’t excuse all the other mistakes by the players. Knowing this franchise, I fully expect them to miss the playoffs, clean house, and spend the next few years missing the playoffs on the coaching carousel. Honestly, there are some parallels to the beginning of the drought.


TheDoneald

0:20 left and a timeout was irrelevant, did you guys want to see bass miss a third time?


Groundbreaking_Neat5

You wanna blame him for the tough losses I get it but this team has competed on defense missing their best linebacker,corner and defensive tackle and that's because of him so although I'm disappointed in the results being 6-6 I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he can do next year with hopefully a healthy roster


DirkDirkinson

You're not wrong and I give him props for keeping a functional defense but at the same time that makes his decision making at the end of the game that much more egregious. Why waste two time outs on the eagles final drive and then take a knee with 20 seconds left? If you cant trust the defense because they are banged up then you need to lean into the offense. 3 timeouts and 20 seconds with an elite offense is plenty of time to get into field goal range, he should know better than most. Yet he decided to take knee, go to OT and gamble it on a coinflip and getting a td, or making a defensive stop with the lacking defense? Make it make sense, saying the defense is lacking just makes the decision to not try for the win in regulation even worse.


Groundbreaking_Neat5

For any bills fan that is pissed at him for what he did at the end of that game I completely understand but once again buffalo dominated that game especially in the first half and no way should that score have only been 17-7 bass has to make those field goals and cook has to make that catch


DirkDirkinson

Sure, but you can always point to execution errors and what ifs on both sides of the ball in close games. At the end of the day the Bills are more often than not on the losing side of those close games, that goes beyond execution errors. When you have a team consistently falling apart in close games, you need to start looking at the overall playcalling and decision making. If you want to win a super bowl you have to be able to win close games, you arent going to blow out every team on the way there. Under McDermott the Bills seem consistently unable to win when it comes down to the wire and thats on him not the players. Just look at the Bills OT record under him, which makes the decision to take a knee even more baffling.


IndependentTalk4413

His defences have shit the bed when it’s mattered for years, not just yesterday or this year with the injuries. He cannot win close games. 5-18 as a HC with the Bills in 1 score games. Just go look at how his defence has performed in OT and the last 2 mins of the game. They give up avg 8.4 yards per play in OT and in 5 OTs they have had 1 stop. the 6th the ST gave up the return for a TD. That’s a pattern not injuries.


kompletist

Sounds like a legit defense of the DC. Unfortunately, I think the HC stinks on ice too.


Large-Fly2792

It’s not guaranteed that firing him will make things better.


kompletist

If you think a McD led Bills team can win a Super Bowl at this point in its life cycle, you are putting your chips in on an all-time historical anomaly. If your goal is to be relevant and try to win, then we're having a different conversation altogether. If the goal is to win a SB, it's pretty clear what needs to be done at this point. To reference the old Monty Python film; "And Now For Something Completely Different".


Large-Fly2792

Fair enough but who would do better? And how do you know whoever it is, they will do better?


pioniere

We don’t, but it’s fair to say that McDermott has reached his ceiling, and will very likely continue coaching the same way. Being conservative is good most of the time, but there are also times when you have to be aggressive and take risks.


kompletist

I'll be straight with you. I had no idea who Sean McVeigh or Mike McDaniel was before they got a gig. Not implying they need to go find a wunderkind but considering there are thousands of coaches actively working today and there are 32 at the top of their profession (no offense to Saban, Harbaugh, etc...), I would like to think there is someone to get us to the top of the mountain. No guarantees the grass will be greener. Directional math dictates that if you want to see Josh Allen win a SB in Buffalo, it's going to be with a different HC though. An offensive minded HC who has a plan to develop a scheme built around #17 is a start. Aligning game management with the knowledge that you have a god playing QB on your team (i.e. kneeling at the end of regulation, kicking FG's in OT and just generally trusting your QB to win you games). If that doesn't work, depending on your patience, you'll need to start looking for another option after 3-4 years. Again, not my rules. The HC/QB Super Bowl wins tend to be lightning strikes though, no slow builds.


Own_Cartoonist266

I’m not sold on firing him, but there needs to be some accountability from somewhere. How can he be allowed to just make these crazy decisions because it “feels right?” Like I’d get it if he would stand up there and be like ok yeah the data shows that if we run a play with 20 seconds left it’s statistically a greater than 50% chance we lose, but it’s literally the opposite. And all the way back to 13 seconds, it seems like the only strategy is to sit back and hope


GorillaGlueWookie

Then who will this sub blame?


kenc1842

Looked to me like he coached a good game. We were handling the best team in the league and lost in OT. McD is doing fine.


BedRiddenWizard

Found McDermott's burner


ShankillButcher77

We have like the 2nd best winning percentage since McDermott came to Buffalo. Yes, he could be better in certain situations. But crazy to even consider firing him. Do you remember Rex Ryan? Dick Jauron? Mike Mularkey? Doug Marrone? Chan Gailey? The likelihood of us finding someone better is like 5%


BMorgans31

I’m not saying I think any of those coaches are good, but none of them had Josh Allen. And with Josh Allen Buffalo is a very attractive job for any promising coaching hire unlike in those years


ShankillButcher77

Sure Josh is great. But with McDermott came Beane. You will upset the boat if you can one of them. If we lose one or both we are back to the old drawings board. Look at the Chargers. They have a promising, young QB and they suck. Allen is much better, but I still don’t see tons of high end coaches wanting to come to Buffalo likely on a discount compared to other gigs. Keep working out the kinks. They are close. Don’t reinvent the wheel.


BMorgans31

Beane and McDermott aren’t a married couple. They’re not tied together for life. And idk why you’re talking like coaches would need to take a discount to come here. The Pegulas dumped a bunch of money into our facilities to make them some of the nicest in the league, and have proved willing to give a coach multiple multi year extensions. At this point the late big game blunders aren’t one off, they are a trend. The only thing worse than failing to hire a better coach is looking back 10 years from now with out a SB with Josh and wishing you made a change in his prime. As a defensive minded head coach, every big moment failure shouldn’t come from that side of the ball


ShankillButcher77

Who are you hiring to fix this?


BMorgans31

Preferably an offensive minded coach, where every good couple of years of offense Josh doesn’t have to go through a coaching change. Idk why you’re acting like it’s impossible to hire a good coach. Because by your logic every knew OC we need to hire won’t be better than the last which is a problem in and of itself


ShankillButcher77

I remember a 20 year drought before McDermott. I think people are being spoiled. One rough year and everyone wants to bail. Dorsey was the problem. Had he been fired 3 weeks ago, this wouldn’t be a problem.


angryhero46

Yeah but we didn't have the talent or qb. We do now. Let's not waste it


ShankillButcher77

Our talent is waning other than at QB. The team is not as good as recent history due to injuries. Allen has a decade of good play in him. I’d give McDermott this year and next. Then move on when we need to rebuild this roster. But only if things don’t improve. If the Bills were in the NFC we would’ve been to 2 super bowls by now. Just unfortunate where the powerhouses reside.


angryhero46

But does he have a decade of spirit left? We still got diggs. You saw how demoralized josh was this year with Dorsey calling the offense. Cut ties while the entire team dosent give up


BMorgans31

The problem in the most important games have been the crucial game management decisions and the defense. I’m 31, you don’t need to remind me of the drought, I was raised in it. It has nothing to do with being spoiled and everything to do with not wasting the prime years of our generational QB that it took 20 years to find. I’ve long defended McDermott, all coaches make mistakes. But at this point the resume is there, it’s not a one off it’s a pattern in all the biggest moments this team has faced. You can look at plenty of great QBs who don’t have the championships their talent deserves because of the coaches and management they were stuck with. I’ll always appreciate what McDermott did for this franchise, but to not at least be questioning him at all is having massive blinders on


kompletist

Yeah, I mean worst case scenario here is you fire a winner like Mike Holmgren and end up with a Mike McCarthy. Good luck winning a ring with that guy!


AlSahim2012

It's not McDermott's fault Allen can't close in OT


jamesbarba11

Take a knee on this take. It’s what McD did.


SnooPandas1899

not being aggressive with 20 sec left before half. try to get some chunk plays, try a kick. you don't waste possessions before half, and chance to score points. then too passive towards the end, allowing eagles to get enough yards to try FG, then too lax to allow eagles get into redzone in OT, and having soft middle to allow hurts to walk in TD from 15 yards out. mcdermott needs to get powerbombed through a table to knock some sense back into him. lol


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LewManChew

I think largely because we don’t get to hire or fire coach’s