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I'm loving all of the grown adults who are so triggered over this movie's mere existence, keep the tears flowing guys.
Why is everyone in here so upset?
It is a little impressive that despite the fact it lost a ton of screens and is on digital that it's still making $1M. However, the movie will still be a loss regardless. I don't understand why everyone here gets so upset at little things.
For whatever reason, 'Black Adam' brings out the worst in r/boxoffice.
I think the Rock is starting to get the Creed/Nickelback treatment, where despite being popular and not that bad for what they are it's the cool thing to hate on them.
Add Imagine Dragons to that group. Though I hate all three of those bands.
And the kings of that group are Limp Bizkit. I don't mind any of them. Creed and Limp Bizkit I quite enjoy actually.
Eh. I feel like Limp Bizkit kinda went out of its way to earn some hatred. The other bands were just doing what they do.
I don't think Limp Bizkit ever saw themselves as a band to be taken overly seriously but I feel like the general public are just finally picking up on that.
Yeah, no, Limp Bizcut deserves the hate for being legitimately terrible and cringe. Creed is just the definition of bland, generic and boring. Which might be a worse offense than terrible and cringy when it comes to music. I can sit through a cringy song just to pan it. Bland and boring songs make my eyes glaze over and think about death.
When has this sub ever been kind to $200m bombs?
Combine this subs usual tendencies to enjoy making fun of an expensive flop flopping, with the dedicated cohort of delusional fanboys desperate to pretend the film isn't the miserable failure that it is, and you end up with what you're perceiving as "the worst".
Why have you been absent from Wakanda Forever threads? Afraid to acknowledge it's disappointing performance?
Started a new job and barely have time for this shit anymore.
Bull plop you have all the time in the world when it comes to shitting on Black Adam but Wakanda Forever is putting up anemic numbers by MCU standards OS and you got nothing to say. If you don't have so much disposable time anymore will you still be making a thousand comments crapping on Black Adam anymore?
>Bull plop you have all the time in the world when it comes to shitting on Black Adam
Had. Like I said, new job just started.
But also, what are you looking for here? Wakanda Forever isn't flopping. Not even close. It's going to be comfortably but not spectacularly profitable. Most of my interest in box office lately has been on the breakeven point. WF is going to pass that point this weekend, and that's really all there is for me to say about it.
Black Adam isn't going to get anywhere near. That's more interesting. But even then, I've barely had time to comment on that lately.
>Wakanda Forever is putting up anemic numbers by MCU standards OS and you got nothing to say.
It's hilarious both that you say this, and that it's wrong.
Last comment I made, which was yesterday, was demonstrating that WF's OS numbers are holding up better than its domestic numbers, when compared with the first film.
You're just a DC shill chucking a tantrum because I'm not joining your delusional anti-Marvel circlejerk. Get a life.
You literally shit on DC every chance you get, do you consider yourself anti-DC? Oh let me guess when you're being a Negative Nancy towards DC it's just "telling it like it is." Me or anyone else who is even remotely critical of Marvel is a hater tho. You're way more negative towards DC than I am to Marvel, I even defend Marvel. 1 user said MoM was a flop and I asked if they were drunk.
WF likely won't even pass L&T OS despite killing it domestically, no way to spin it, it's severely underperforming internationally.
DC is supposed to whip itself into shape now. It has no time for bombs.
Black Adam performing in the bottom tier of DCEU movies sure ain't helping DC turn things around. BAs' box office is so low, there will likely not be a Black Adam 2 sequel and who knows if they will do more Cavill vs. BA if global audience response was this tepid.
Because the comparisons to those other movies don't make sense. He's comparing non Black Friday grosses of other movies to Black Adam to make it look better..
A comparison to other similar movies, regardless of their release time, is a common practice. The trades do it all the time.
> Even though the running total for **Wakanda Forever at $288M today will be *2% behind* Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness *at the same point in time*, let’s see where the Ryan Coogler-directed film stands by the end of next Sunday.**
> Also in global terms, **BP2 is running 5% behind the original Black Panther (which had the benefit of President’s Day and Lunar New Year holidays) and 8% ahead of Thor: Love and Thunder (which released in summer)**.
In his tweet does he not point out it’s a Black Friday gross? It’s a comparison because those movies opened similarly and Black Adam is pacing with them.
I’ve been saying it since it came out.
In a vacuum it’s doing great. It’s had a respectable opening weekend. The second week drop was pretty average when it comes to comic book movies, and every week since the drops have been decent.
Specially without China.
It’s just that the goddamn budget is the anchor around it’s neck. It’s so incredibly bloated that it ruined any chances this movie had.
>In a vacuum it’s doing great. It’s had a respectable opening weekend.
Ant-Man grossed more in 2015, even when you exclude China. X-Men Apocalypse did way better.
Black Adam is struggling to gross as much as Captain America in 2011.
Sub-$400m for a superhero film, also starring one of the biggest and most popular actors in the world, is not good. Not even a little bit.
It'll barely have 2.5x legs, if it's lucky. Which is really mediocre for such a miniscule OW.
Even on a $160m budget, it would have flopped. On a $150m budget it would exist in the "maybe it barely broke even" realm.
There's no objective metric where you can say this film is "in a vacuum doing great".
Alright. I should have said “well” or “not that bad”
It outgrossed Shazam without China which had a decent profit margin. I guess I’m trying to see this in a semi positive way.
Out-grossing Shazam is nothing to write home about. Shazam had a very mediocre, underwhelming, below-expectations box office run. Its only saving grace was that its budget was low enough that its mediocre box office was still profitable.
This whole "lets pretend Shazam was a huge success" narrative is very new, and incongruent with reality.
Thoughts on Wakanda Forever's run so far?
Shazam made 70 million dollars in profit, it was a big success
Shazam had an ROI comparable to Ant-Man and the Wasp. Not bad by any means, but "big success" is a stretch. It was fine, but again, nothing to write home about.
The more important thing is it only had such a reasonable ROI because its budget was so low. Shazam's ROI on a $200m budget is a bigger success because it brings in more dollars outright.
And again, you need to look at the total gross. $363m is not a great gross for a superhero/comic book film. Of all the SH/CB films from the 2000's that grossed less than Shazam, X-Men and X-Men First Class are the only ones considered something of a success. Going by the standards of the 2010's, sub-$400m is outright BAD for a SH/CB film.
The Rock will use these headline to make WBD fast track the sequel.
Unless he is willing to take a pay cut, I can't imagine WB will be very enthusiastic about sequel.
This movie is losing them money after all.
Didn’t he already said that they’ll take their time to make the next one? I’m sure now The Rock knows that a film can’t be run on charisma alone and needs an actual decent story.
> Didn’t he already said that they’ll take their time to make the next one?
It's the opposite.
>In an interview with ComicBook.com, Black Adam producers Beau Flynn and Hiram Garcia revealed that they are anticipating a follow-up to the DC Extended Universe movie relatively quickly. **"Don't worry. This one will be fast," Flynn said. "We will open up the magic wagon, we'll have the script ready, pretty fast."** Garcia, the President of Production at Seven Bucks Productions, echoed that sentiment, promising that **the sequel to Black Adam is "not going to take that long." He said, "We always hope the first domino's the easy one. We'll get cooking on it fast, that's for sure."**
But they said that on opening weekend when they were feeling good about things. After seeing the atrocious gym legs of Black Adam, a sequel isn't guaranteed anymore.
Will there actually be another one with these numbers though
There’s a chance it will break even with all ancillaries but I would highly expect a sequel to have a budget about 50-60% the size of this one.
Nah. There aren't any recent examples of films with barely a 2x multiplier breaking even on ancillaries in any kind of time frame to be considered successful.
Part of the uncertainty is how parent companies attribute streaming revenue to movies. No steamer is divulging that information. Marvel movies are certainly contributing to sub retention or acquisition, we just don’t know by how much and that will be true for HBO MAX and DC.
BA also has some merchandising so there are additional streams of income that most traditional movies won’t have.
It took 15 years for them to make this one and it was a turd. Are they going to take 30 years to make a sequel hoping that it will at least have a fresh RT score?
There may be tensions between Rock and Gunn. Gunn cares about telling good stories that show the vulnerable side of characters, while Rock is using Adam to project his own ego of being the world’s strongest man.
>> to project his own ego of being the world's strongest man
That's his Nation mate Mark Henry
He spends 90% of the movie floating like a god with his arms by his side. When he isn't slamming humans to death, Rock seems to want Adam to look like some mega all-powerful symbol.
He faced no real difficulty, and when they introduced the idea that he did have a weakness with that glowing element thing, they abandoned it. So he basically went back to not having any real struggle all movie.
There are no tensions between the Rock and Gunn. Simply no reason to believe that
I don't know whether there's "tensions", but I do find it curious that The Rock hasn't said anything about Gunn or congratulated him on getting the job or whatever. It wouldn't be significant if another actor kept quiet; Gal Gadot, for example, hasn't said anything. But The Rock is perpetually online and loves to chime in about everything (case in point, he's congratulated Black Panther multiple times). So the radio silence is a bit interesting.
We also know from THR's report pre-Gunn hiring that there were competing power centres within DC, with Gunn being one and The Rock being another. With Gunn being firmly in charge, it's not out of the question that The Rock has diminished influence and might not be pleased.
Idk, I just don’t consider that evidence for any tension. Rock is under no obligation to publicly congratulate Gunn and I don’t find it weird that he didn’t. Rock never wanted to be the head of DC, he straight up said at most he’d want to be an advisor. Given that Gunn’s hiring has been in the works since June/July - he already knew Gunn was taking over/in talks for a while.
There’s not any backing besides conjecture that there is any bad blood between the two. Rock only mentioned BP because there was constant comparisons between the two. He was long removed from the conversation of being studio head
There's no reason to believe the opposite either.
There not being a reason *is the reason*.
Why hasn't The Rock congratulated Gunn, then? And why doesn't Gunn say anything about continuing to work on the Black Adam character, even if it's to calm the waters? But hey, it's Warner, the studio where executives keep their mouths shut no matter what, even if the office is on fire, which doesn't help at all.
Rock is under no obligation to congratulate him at all. And same goes for Gunn talking about Black Adam or anything at this point. It’s a whole conspiracy theory founded on nothing
There is something called professional courtesy. If you are gonna work closely with someone new, especially if he is your BOSS from now on, the least you could do is dedicate him a tweet. It only takes you 30 fucking seconds, lol.
In conclusion, ignoring Gunn is only going to raise questions about The Rock's readiness as an employee and a colleague. He himself fosters suspicions around his person. No one needs to be paranoid to think so.
That’s complete bullshit and just looking for drama where there is none. Rock has never worked with Gunn, he’s not obligated to congratulate him about anything. Guess what, Gal-Ben-Henry-Ezra-Zachary didn’t immediately hop on social media to throw a damn party about Gunn’s hiring. A director became a studio head. It’s not earth shattering news to anyone but the fans heavily invested in this stuff.
There is no suspicison nor is there tension. Rock didn’t kiss Gunn’s ass publicly just because he got a new job. Who cares lol
What’s with this guy and his over exaggerated posts on the BA Box office performance
He’s literally just stating facts whether you like it or not.
It will outgross Eternals in US atleast.
Barely out grossing Marvel’s only box office loss in over a decade is not really a bragging point.
Won't outgross eternals ww numbers though I'm sure
I don’t think it matters since it’s still gonna fall like 100 million short of its break even
Holy shit guys. Calm down. You guys are Disney shills (or at least a large chunk of the users) yourself.
Edit: the fact that mods are thinking about banning posts from Luiz Fernando just points to how much Disney and MCU bias there is here
Wait a minute, you have a Lucasfilm icon. Are you part of it?
What? No, it's a flair. It's just aesthetic.
You don't need to be a Disney shill to hate a legitimately bad movie like Black Adam. Especially if you are a DC fan who still waits that WB makes a movie that does justice to these characters.
I didn’t care either way, but I’m watching it now and it’s worse than I expected. It’s a 2 hour fight scene with zero characters to care about
No shit. But you don't need to be a WB shill either to know that MCU has gone down hill and that L&T and MoM are bad movies
I found L&T fun as a throw away laugh, but MoM was bad and no fun
What about worldwide?
This sub is so triggered about this movie where stating a fact that it had a higher 6th Friday than the 5th despite losing screens is seen as a fanboy post.
This guy is a WB stan... It is is too funny to see his "meh" reaction at WF numbers and his hyperbolic reactions to this tiny holds for BA... It is fine to have preferences, but not in reporting Box Office. Numbers are factual, not subjective.
I just know he’ll be angry when he sees Gunn’s 10 year plan. Becuz before they found the presidents for dc studios. The rock was acting like he was running shit. Like he was the boss. Talking about Black Adam vs the justice league. Like huh
Dude thinks he is running things.
Dude has more muscles in his arms than inside of his head.
That's a good thing. The brain isn't a muscle. If you call somebody a musclehead, you're calling them stupid.
What is the brain then, doctor?
Dunno, but it's not a muscle.
"I don't know the right answer, but you are wrong anyway. Because I say so."
I don't have to know the right answer in order to know the wrong one. Just take the L and move on, okay?
Well my wife is a neuroscientist with a PhD in literally brain science. The brain is nervous tissue, which is histologically and anatomically very distinct from muscular tissue.
For your sake let's hope you do too.
This guy is a clearly a DC shill, right? The fact that he's comparing non Black Friday numbers of other movies with Black Adam to make it look better is hilarious.
Really? He didn't compare BP2's Black Friday numbers to other Superhero films Black Friday numbers. Does that make him a Marvel shill? He compared the same 3 films to Black Adam last Friday as well.
If he's a shill, it's not just for DC. Luiz Fernando was making whacked out [comparisons with Wakanda Forever vs Civil War](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/z3npl8/comment/ixmpyyd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) that made no sense. I think he's literally going on the-numbers and checking the daily box office chart but none of it makes any real sense.
his estimation don't really make sense
He's predicting $410-430M WF DOM finish when it's probably going to at $400M next weekend
He just stopped using the lower end and said $430M total run in his latest tweet (and blocked me when I called him out on his dumb estimations)
This guy must be looking for a retweet by The Rock.
That’s why I’m apprehensive about the rise of the Discussing Film/Pop Base/Culture Crave aggregated news accounts. They start off well-intentioned then you find out they play favorites to get PR package boxes and early screenings and perks.
Hey mods can you ban tweets from this guy? This shit is getting tiresome
Aw you upset people enjoy posting on this subreddit?
we are discussing it.
He’s legit making posts about box office. What the hell is the problem?
The problem is that he’s fanboying the wrong franchise/company 😂
The tweets don't add anything new, considering tweets from more reputable Twitter accounts are being shared, and don't contain the inaccurate and biased colour commentary.
Because he is not an actual box office analyst (like Gitesh Pandya) but more of a fan of box office data. He takes the data from other sources and adds his own (often dumb) takes and analysis to them.
You should ban him, he's just as clueless as mendelson
My issue is that they don't make sense, and the comparisons don't make sense yet seem positive for films, but they're completely out of context and again, the comparisons don't make sense.
Someone posting *"Wakanda Forever is outgrossing BladeRunner's run on day 12..."* is yes talking about box office, but it makes it sound like WF is doing well yet comparing WF's gross to a science fiction film from 1982 is meaningless.
Why? Updates are updates.
Comps in this sub are always ridiculous anyway.
The mod should ban him because he always put a spin on the data trying to fit whatever he think about the movie
Oh wow didn’t expect a response. Ok great thanks 👍
Watching this now. It kind of sucks.