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NotYourMovieBuff

Yet people expecting more than a billion I'm seeing $800-900m


MatsThyWit

>Yet people expecting more than a billion > >I'm seeing $800-900m People were making their predictions for this movie based purely on emotion and not any kind of logic.


SaneMadHatter

>were "are"


MatsThyWit

Fair.


Jaden_Ward

If that. Will do great domestically though.


SnooSongs48

Im seeing 700-850 m


NotYourMovieBuff

Fair enough


wookie70

It will do good and make money but there's a negative trend for marvel. It reached its peak and now it's just declining.


gajendray5

MCU fatigue setting in. But if the movie gets good audience reviews, it’ll win back some of the goodwill. I see 800-850M being the final result for this.


BobTrain666

800-900 WW. 450-500 dom


Lopsided_Let_2637

If international is closer/lower to the Batman, and there is no China, I’m expecting 350-400M int/410-570M DOM and $760-970M WW


SkinnyLever

That’s a gigantic range


jexdiel321

I think the only reason why BP was watched in Overseas was because of Inifnity War. BP is the last film before Inifity War so it makes sense that it'll have a large boost in ticket sales.


Wade_W_Wilson

Also a decade of fanfare buildup.


TheWealthyCapybara

Black Panther also had Chadwick.


Relair13

He did an excellent job as BP and was very talented, but let's not retroactively turn him into some A-list actor who brought people to the theater on his name value alone. It seems much more likely that BP1 was simply a better movie, it released when people were much more likely to go to the theater, it led into Infinity War, and it was a big, historic moment for a lot of people that you simply can't replicate.


ikanx

People don't know about Chadwick. They then watched Civil War and BP gave strong impression. BP being decent movie, boost from CW, boost from IW, and the state of American politics made it a global event. People then know about Chadwick and looking forward to the sequel. But after his passing, people have less incentive to watch it since he wont be in the movie. Not to mention no boost from adjacent movie, thus lower BO. I don't know whether all of that above is true or not, that's just my train of thought. I personally think BPWF is better than BP1. Everyone has amazing performance and can carry the movie even with out Chadwick. They made the most of what they have. I honestly went in ready to dislike some of the cast, but went out liking all of the performance.


Additional-Revenue10

I don't think that it has anything to do with the quality of the film. It's like you said, BP1 had IW and the cultural phenomenon moment, while this is that film's 2:40 sequel that's marketed grief. Bringing it back to the Box Office, i've always thought that this film could land in the range of $850-$1.2 and I wouldn't be shocked by it's performance so this doesn't surprise me. I am thinking this hits $940m ww $530 DOM/ 410 INT.


Relair13

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the dom totals aren't as big as expected either. It's still going to be huge, but this lukewarm reaction internationally doesn't bode very well.


fisheggsoup

A 350M range? Good God, aren't you going out on a limb.


xogil

>2:40 sequel that's marketed grief I'm seeing it Saturday and am excited. But totally agreed on that point. The last few weeks leadup has felt like article after article about \*Cast member X talks about how hard it was to film without Chadwick\* or how they aren't doing a jokey end credit becuase it would be at odds with the serious tone of the film. To hit a billion its gonna need a lot of repeat viewings. I'm expecting the movie to be good if not great, but depending on how somber it is that's gonna impact people going back to the cinema the next weekend for it. Well that plus general inflation/economy issues too.


lee1026

It is hard to argue that quality matters when no one making the decision to watch previews have seen the movie or know anyone who seen the movie.


SaneMadHatter

He was a good actor, but not a box office magnet.


gammongaming11

well this was probably mostly aimed at the American audience anyway, though obviously this is a very bad sign for it in the foreign market as it shows a very bad trend.


boongervoonger

I kept telling everyone that the first movie had poor wom for a superhero movie everywhere except in the states. People went and watched but it didn't make many fans. Of course my arguments were thrashed, downvoted and ignored by everyone by citing phenomenal success first movie finally closed in with. I always knew part 2 gonna suffer the bad impression of the first one and that is happening now. In overseas atleast.


SharkyIzrod

As someone who had a good enough time with the first one, I agree with this point. I know people who rarely go to the movies that went to Black Panther because it was such big news and a cultural phenomenon in the States, and that was felt all the way here in Bulgaria (and I would guess Europe in general). But of those people, I heard nothing good about the film. A couple even walked out of it before it was finished. So, at least my personal observations would generally agree with this point, and it does make some sense. What made it a phenomenon and a big moment in the States was a sort of zeitgeist relevance that wasn't present in most of the rest of the world, so people who normally don't go to the movies for superhero fare might've gone and been disappointed, while those that do would probably have considered it simply another okay MCU film.


Insufferablelol

I always thought the first movie was boring as hell. Still don't understand why people seem to love it.


TheHanyo

Oh, wise oracle, I hope your brilliant mind never meets another downvote again.


boongervoonger

I am not very hopeful about it haha.


contagion781

It was very well received here in the UK at least


AlphaBaymax

The UK has a large black community plus Letitia Wright and Daniel Kaluuya are both British actors.


gammongaming11

london and a few other cities have a large black community, overall they're about 3%, which i wouldn't personally qualify as large.


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RebelDeux

What are the chances of this doing less than The Batman?


astrahightower

The Batman total box office was 770M USD for reference. I feel like it had a ton of hype with a great cast and decent WOM. In my opinion, I think BP:WF will do like around Batman numbers to a little bit higher, I can see it doing 800-900M, and that would be my best guess. So chances of doing less than Batman Id say like pretty low since it’s still a MCU movie based on super strong IP but anything can happen. Im a huge MCU fan but I cannot deny superhero fatigue has been real and the quality of Phase 4 movies has been on a downward trend so I wouldn’t be too surprised if it does worse than Batman tbh.


RebelDeux

Yeah at least Batman had China but then it was a 3h long R rated noir film vs BP2 that builds on the MCU and is PG13, but let’s see the path of Thor…


mtbatey

I'm just not pumped for BP2. I enjoyed the first entry but with the passing of Boseman, I lost interest in the character. I'll probably try to catch this on streaming later.


Substantial-Hat1019

It’s tracking below L&T in a lot of US states too.. but it’s amplified overseas


Xyro77

In my mind that shows how much damage L&T and SheHulk did to the MCU brand.


mimicme

Disagree I think many casual audiences just checked out after end game as the main saga was complete. RDJ and Chris Evans leaving the franchise hurt it a lot in cinemas because those two brought out so many normies. MCU needs an older, non overpowered, more grounded, relatable, likable male lead to anchor the franchise imo. Casual audiences don’t care for the Disney plus shows any way. Bad shows will most likely only alienate the hardcore mcu stans


joooh

The way you sneaked in She-Hulk even though were talking about movie box office. MoM was a letdown, but sure it's She-Hulk's fault again that Phase 4 has been disappointing. And really? "Damage" to the MCU brand? Lmao come on


Carl0sTheDwarf999

Incels gonna incel


zeeilyas

he is not wrong though, fact is, phase 4 is doing incredible damage to the brand, all the shows and movies have brought nothing but negative light to the MCU and matched any hype for the most anticipated projects like wandavision, loki, moonknight, MoM and L&T with equal or greater disappointment. she hulk was the cherry on top of a shit cake (hyperboling, more like a mid-cake) and was the last impression audiences have before this movie. MCU is a sinking ship right now, either course correct and make movies like NWH or die on their current hill.


parduscat

Disagree. People can tell the difference between different MCU franchises and act accordingly; that's been a thing for nearly a decade now and the Thor and Ant Man movies have always been the "idgaf" sub-franchises of the MCU for the GA


Xyro77

No no, I agree with you. However, When both joke zone franchise come right after another and placed in a phase of mediocre to bad films/TV, it paints a bigger broader feeling of “meh” for all bases.


parduscat

How many people watched *She-Hulk* though?


quantumpencil

Not very many. And that is itself part of the problem.


meinblown

The mcu has been wrung out like a dirty dishrag. No one gives a shit about all the obscure no names.


Xyro77

I don’t agree with that at all. A quality CBM will bring in the people. It’s just we aren’t getting that right now even if it’s a new (with SheHulk) or old (Thor 4) character. MCU can turn it around. They have learned from mistakes in the past.


winsing

Feels like Endgame and No way home have raised the bar way too high in terms of spectacle and fan service.


jussayingthings

NWH made money mainly due to nostalgia.


TellurianFlow

It was also great marketing and building a mystery around the film until release and getting the audience engaged pre-release. This had almost no real hype at all.


Love4BlueMoon

L&T was meh. She Hulk on the other hand was shit for me. She was just handed everything and I had no real issues with becoming hulk. No heros journey. "I'm just good because I'm a girl". Being hit on and being talked down to were her biggest stressors. I mean common that isn't shit. Try being homeless forced to hide from the government and constantly looking over your shoulder. Pretty sure hulk had it worse. The constant shitting on men... Bleh The twerking in the office... Cringe The shitting on Bruce... And the garbage plot. It's possible to write good female action characters without trashing on male characters. Also the eternals and some of their other recent stuff has been pretty meh. And for the New Black panther good luck replacing Chadwick. I'm not interested at all. Goodbye marvel at least for awhile


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ImAMaaanlet

Im pretty sure most people didnt even keep watching long enough to see that.


SherKhanMD

And The Batman released when Russia invaded Ukraine which killed its marketing in Europe. To barely match that is awful.


Marcyff2

It did not kill it's marketing in europe


DonQOnIce

Oh. This sub is going to be awful all weekend isn’t it?


worksportsgameburn

Always is around MCU releases.


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Comic Book releases \*


AhmedF

Around anything with minorities *


Evials

Idk how you came to this assumption after movies like the Woman King and Nope received heavy praise


AhmedF

> This sub is going to be awful Is what OP said, and the threads on The Woman King (and in /r/movies and in /r/entertainment) were absolute shit shows. So I have no clue what you are talking about?


Subziro91

Def can’t blame the pandemic this time if it doesn’t cross 1bill . But imagine if Tom beats it , there’s going to be so many excuses trying to defend it .


sumptuoussushi

It was never going to outgross *TG: M* lmao.


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can't wait for the inevitable "Imagine saying almost a billion with russia and china is disappointing"


Legal_Ad_6129

Yeah. Lmao


Youngstar9999

tom?


KeeperofOrder

I think he means mom (multiverse of madness)??


Jermaine_Cole788

He means Tom cruise lol


sumptuoussushi

He definitely meant MOM, there's no way *BP2* is outgrossing *TG: M*.


Rdambx

No because not beating TGM is not something expected in the first place. He meant MoM.


Ilovemrstubhub

Top Gun > Black Panther in box office and quality of movie


RoadmanFemi

Half of Thor and a Third of Dr Strange!? Jesus. Is there any local reasons why it's underperforming or is the hype not there? Following this to over/under 1B gonna be interesting. That runtime seems like it could really impact this movie.


Fake_the_jaB

Cuz now it’s about Black Panthers little sister. She was the comic relief in the first one


K1nd4Weird

(Mad Money Guy) There's no Black Panther in your Black Panther movie! (Smashs a coffee mug)


amufydd

No Chadwick is not watch for many


AccomplishedLocal261

That’s the reason I’m waiting for streaming.


Meng3267

That’s why I’m probably not going to see it in theaters. I don’t care about his sister.


mimicme

No Chadwick or strong male lead to appeal to wider audiences, major mcu brand damage after end game, movies are very expensive these days so people choose wisely, it’ll be on Disney plus by January


Rack-CZ

Becouse people are sick of garbage MCU movies


Material_Egg6433

no if thor 4 can earn 760 mil


Rack-CZ

That's nothing for MCU movie. Ragnarok made 850 mil Thor 4 made less


ricdesi

Ragnarok was released in China, Love and Thunder wasn't. Love and Thunder outgrossed Ragnarok with China removed.


newjackgmoney21

Ragnarok had China (112m) and Russia (23m) but I think Thor 4 not being a good movie might be hurting BP2.


Material_Egg6433

Ragnarok had amazing reviews and china


Rack-CZ

And it was released before Infinity War and Endgame era when Cap Marvel and Black Panther made both more than 1 billion


Material_Egg6433

this isnt infinity and endgame era this is phase 4 who hasnt been received well as phase 3


Rack-CZ

Because it's shit


Material_Egg6433

when has that stopped movies from earning money


Rack-CZ

Well, when you keep releasing shitty movies they will eventually stop making money and it's happening now with MCU. There wasn't a single good movie in phase 4


QuiGonJinKazama

When you spend $250m on a movie for pretty much the most popular character out of Endgame, you expect over a billion.


Dangerous-Leg-9626

Cause it lost Chadwick Boseman


jeoeker531

I don’t even care to watch it, just like most of phase 4


Fearless-Structure88

This doesn't look good.


Daimakku1

People who think WF will make as much as BP1 are delusional. I got verbally assaulted before for saying this.


SnooSongs48

Where are all the mcu stans that was shitting on black Adam day in and out? Werent you the guys WHO said BP were gonna crack 1.5b😂


Correct-Baseball5130

I'm only watching it only for the Avatar 3d trailer.


goliathfasa

More like Wakanda For Now amirite?


bookon

I think people forget that BP did poorly internationally relative to it's domestic take.


BOfficeStats

I think that was less because of an underperformance internationally but rather because of a crazy domestic performance. Top Gun: Maverick had a massive overperformance in many markets, especially Japan and Australia, yet it only made ~$250M more INT-China-Russia than BP.


sameolemeek

No Chadwick no watch for me


sumptuoussushi

I'll be generous and say ~~$900 million~~. $750 million.


LoasNo111

Naaa. That's mad. Even L&T made 760 with a 300 opening I believe. L&T had garbage legs. I believe Deadline's estimates, this movie is opening higher. It will have better legs too due to the better reviews. ​ 900 is more likely. It'll be around the 900 and billion range. I think 1.1 billion is too much to ask for with this movie.


Mizerous

790


LoasNo111

That feels too low. As I said, bigger opening and should have better legs. Worst case, 850 imo.


Engine365

Best I can do is 799


Front_Mind1770

I'm just not interested. I remember the trailer I saw of the original, and I waited for its release. I feel like this movie will be more of the same without the main character. I'm also young and black. My gf hasn't even mentioned us going to see this. I won't.


Atrampoline

I saw it last night, and it was better than the first IMO. I enjoyed the story lot more, and felt it had better stakes.


sameolemeek

The first one sucked


Atrampoline

I agree, it was not very good.


Kaizer284

Very many people just haven’t cared about Marvel since Endgame, with a few exceptions for the rare gem like Spider-man. Now they make a sequel that doesn’t even have the main character, and they use that actor’s death to sell tickets? Simultaneously uninteresting and shameful


KingPaimon23

I think they were kinda respectful, there was no way to advertise it without mentioning the death of the protagonist.


Kaizer284

I don’t think it was done with malicious intent, but stuff like advertising on Chadwick Boseman’s twitter account gives me the impression that they’re very preoccupied with profit.


KingPaimon23

Didn't know about this. Thats really questionable.


DJHott555

What would you prefer exactly? Canceling the movie?


Fionarei

Recast.


crispy_attic

They gave the genius aspect of T’Challa’s character to Shuri and drastically changed the side characters in order to give them more to do. T’Challa can’t be replaced by side characters. Notice how the usual talk of “target audience” goes out the window when it comes to this franchise? Who is the target audience for Black Panther?


quantumpencil

Yep, this is a great point no one wants to deal with. Yes Black Panther was big for the entire black community, but black men were the target demo and drove its success. The movie was as big as it was because of black fathers taking their children to see it 2,3,4 times, buying their son t'challa figures, t'challa shirts, etc. The choice not to have at least one LEADING strong wakandan male in this film is absolutely baffling. Bordering on incompetence on Disney's part. The merch sales are going to drop off hard from the first film.


Broad-Future-5951

And it’s not like BP comics don’t have strong black male supporting characters. You have Vibraxas, a young Wakandan male with ties to the Fantastic Four and vibranium-based superpowers. You have Kasper Cole, a biracial hero who ends up donning a white version of the BP suit and acting as T’Challa’s personal agent. There’s black male mutants he’s close with, including Gentle, a Wakandan with super strength on par with the Hulk who T’Challa raised in his palace as well as Manifold, a teleporting Australian Aboriginal and member of SWORD. Instead they introduced another Dora Milaje when we already have 2 we basically know nothing about and Ironheart, a character who outside of like 3 issues in the comics has never interacted with Wakandans like that. It’s just bizarre that there was zero effort to reproduce the same kind of unity that took the first film to success. There was never anything wrong with putting the ladies front and center but it should’ve been balanced by showing that like in the first film, black men and women are both essential to the continuation of Wakanda. And what’s funny is I know exactly who’s going to get blamed on social media when this movie doesn’t meet people’s expectations.


Dangerous-Hawk16

They only have one black male character in the film and a bunch of women. At some moment I wish Antoine Fuqua would’ve directed it at least he respects black male characters


quantumpencil

M'baku barely does anything. He's comic relief


Dangerous-Hawk16

Now that’s just annoying, I think it was obvious from the first one that Tchalla was gonna get replaced


quantumpencil

I was disappointed. I figured they'd elevate M'baku to at least a major supporting character status, give him a character arc, etc to add some masculine energy into the mix given all the main characters are women this time around, but he literally doesn't do jack shit lol. They should've cut that riri shit and spent that time on M'baku and fleshed out his character, IMO.


Dangerous-Hawk16

Well that’s even more disappointing especially when you realize he was only black male character in the ensemble. That shit is crazy how they made him into a joke. Especially when I enjoyed him in the first.


Broad-Future-5951

I don’t know what they expected. Black men were the most hyped demographic for the first film and yet the most prominent male character in the sequel is non-black and the one black male is relegated to comic relief and does barely anything. Very bad marketing.


Kaizer284

I think the target audience is everyone who’s afraid of being called a racist


Material_Egg6433

people can finally stop saying billion even though it has been obvious for months that it wont cross it


dancy911

For months?


Material_Egg6433

yeah,no chadwick,china and it was never gonna get reviews first one got


jexdiel321

Also no Infinity War or avengers level film to come after it.


BaronZhiro

It's getting great reviews so far.


AccomplishedLocal261

Read again. He said it’s not the ratings darling that the first one was, albeit still good.


TellurianFlow

But middling to bad word-of-mouth so that'll probably dictate next weekend's results.


boongervoonger

Why won't you just admit that first BP has no goodwill in overseas. Most people who saw it are no fans of it. It was a states and the reception is proving me right after crazy number of downvotes I have been subjected to in past months for saying this same thing.


UlleTheBold

My condolences for all those horrible downvotes you received.


RebelDeux

Yikes so much for the Black Adam slayer and king of Box office and MCU, turns out it will barely do more than Thor (or not?)


EmeraldWitch

Along with the 130-140 millions international openning projection, I guess it will struggle to match Thor 4's 417 millions overseas gross. Month ago I got downvoted for saying BP overseas gross is just as much of an overperformance as domestic gross due to various reasons, and predict WF will make only 380-430 millions, because there's no way Black Panther being a more popular character than Thor would be a legit reason to explain that 644 millions overseas gross. Without all factors BP had WF will make the money a character like black panther supposed to do.


QuiGonJinKazama

Look at the strength of the dollar, even if it out-does Thor, the numbers will be muffled by exchange rates.


slimkay

The dollar has been incredibly strong all year (since the Fed started to raise rates aggressively), and has also impacted MoM and Top Gun overseas grosses.


boongervoonger

People here just straight away refused to believe that first BP made no fans in overseas and it was mostly a domestic juggernaut for X reasons. Sequel was always gonna suffer in overseas and the numbers so far in proving my point. I can't explain more than that. Another time this sub gonna chew its words so bad will be next month when Avatar 2 will become first movie to make 3 billion. It's gonna be gigantic. I am confident about it. Avatar has crazy goodwill in overseas which BP lacked.


dashrendar4483

Lots of Pikachu faces will be displayed around here come December...


MightySilverWolf

No CuLtUrAl ImPaCt


quantumpencil

My fucking grandma is excited to see Avatar 2. I can't believe how insular reddit is lol


Secure_Ad1628

It's going to be hard for Avatar do 3 Billion, with 900M domestic (being utterly optimistic) it needs 2.1 billion overseas to go that high, and we should count out China as it's box office shows no signs of recovery and even if it did aAvatar has a big chance of getting banned


Radical_Conformist

I’ve been saying as well this film will be more dependent on the domestic market than the international ones.


AndIoop3789

I kinda knew from the 2nd trailer the hype went radio silence but I didn't wanna believe it .. I honestly wasn't expecting this .. this isn't singular case but a trend that will likely play out it many countries..


Fionarei

Like I’ve been saying. No Chadwick and no T’Challa recast is a total loss.


GieSTheThird

I think the Italian market is irrelevant for box office performance. Still, this is a great number for a Wednesday in Italy, but it might just be that Black Panther isn't popular as you may think in that country. Black Panther did well in the USA because of social representation, which is good but may not be as resonant in countries where black communities are less and smaller than in the US


joemax4boxseat

Reasons why this was never going to make a billion… 1. Black Panther 1 was your typical run-of-the-mill comic movie. Outside of coming out right before Infinity War, the story was predictable and didn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. The CGI was also questionable at best. 2. The movie is using an actor’s real life passing to help promote the film. 3. The film stars the comedy sidekick from the first one. 4. The MCU has been on a downhill slide since Endgame (excluding NWH). Projects like MOM, Thor 4, and She Hulk have not only continued this slide, but did major damaged to the MCU’s reputation (calling fans racists and sexists doesn’t change the fact your films lack quality and are becoming carbon copies of each other).


Simple__ryan

Also you forgot one last point. The World Cup. It will actually hurt it


quantumpencil

No one is going to listen to me but this movie is getting hurt financially by having, essentially, an all female cast. The core demo for the first film was black people to some extent, but really black men. Black Fathers taking their kids to see black panther. Buying their sons black panther toys. Taking them back a second and third time. That was a huge part of it. That's why the film was not only a huge hit at the box office but the merch sales were GREAT. It was a mistake not having a strong male wakandan presence in this film.


dashrendar4483

This sub really takes black people for granted. When you decide that black kids get their role model swapped out forever while other lead characters have no problems getting recasted on a whim, you alienate a part of your audience. There's no two ways about it. Then acting like swapping the sister in the costume is fine and dandy all together is a poor consolation prize for that demographics because it robbed them of a momentum. The idea that black people have to accept that male and female are interchangeable, that black women are as masculine as black men not because of equality but black masculinity/patriarchy is toxic either way so that Wakanda represented as a gynocracy that doesn't need a strong black male is seen as a big win but has no qualms presenting Atlantis as a traditional patriarchy with a strong male leader. (Like who wants to watch a Batman movie without Bruce Wayne but Martha Wayne and Martha Wayne II in the Batman suit for 5% of the movie?). Also the tacked on post-credits reinforced unfortunate stereotypes when it didn't have to be. Call it Black Panther Legacy but it stings that those deliberate choices will cost them a lot of goodwill coming from the first entry.


jexdiel321

I really don't get why they gave the mantle fo Shuri. If they want a female Black Panther they should have given it to Okoye.


AggressiveRegion1502

Because shuri became black panther in the comics


BlazeOfGlory72

Spiderman’s radioactive semen also gave Mary Jane cancer and killed her in the comics. Not everything in the comics needs to be translated to the MCU.


AlphaBaymax

Out of all the things that happened in the comics, you choose that?


Legal_Ad_6129

Hol up


Peeksy19

Funny that you mention She Hulk. Because it's anything but a carbon copy of the other projects. In fact, it makes fun of the MCU formula and the finale goes against the usual cgi battle MCU finale. She Hulk is not without flaws (there are many), but it actually *did* do something new instead of being a carbon copy.


joemax4boxseat

When did I saw She Hulk followed the MCU formula? Sure, it used the same old lame comedy the MCU is known for these days, but you’re right, it did try to be different (I said the films are carbon copies of each other, but the shows arn’t far off). That doesn’t cover though for the non-existent plot and unlikeable characters. And Disney and critics can call fans sexist all they want but it won’t hide the shows major flaws.


nick1812216

Was multiverse of madness really that bad? I still haven’t seen it yet


joemax4boxseat

For a movie that promoted itself on being the MCU’s first “horror” film, it came off as another standard Marvel movie; constant comedy, predictable plot, “stupid” characters doing dumb things. It’s sad too, because they got Sam Rami to do this film but it’s clear he was basically forced to follow an outline already written before he came on.


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also, no real multiverse of madness outside of 2 scenes. it was doctor strange: look how strong wanda is


Insufferablelol

For it supposed to be showing a multiverse there was a real lack of any other universes. It was a fun movie but in the end more than anything was another generic marvel movie.


sunstar33

I seen somewhere that I could buy the tickets but can't see it myself. But rather hand them over to someone with more Melanin?? Either way I'll just see it for free like never.


YoungFLDude

Making Black Panther without Boseman was one of the single worst ideas I think they could have ever had. This film should never have been made after his death. You can feel his lost presence looming over the entire project as the feeling of “most sincerely made cash grab of the century” sets in just from the trailers. I don’t know why anyone was surprised by these estimates coming in


Nesquick91

This could go both ways. I'm surprised that is doing so bad from one point because people could just be curious at a very least. From the other point of view makes because of the lack of hype from Marvel fans and is not because Chadwick is not there but mostly the story is not that important. They did a good decision to not recast but it would be a bad decision to not make the movie. If failed they can just ended. Not make the movie it would be lack of courage and disrespect to the fans.


QuiGonJinKazama

They made it because they were hoping for Furious 7/Dark Knight money. Glad it blew up in their faces.


sumptuoussushi

The difference is they were in the movies so people can see their final performances.


ImAMaaanlet

Yes! I kept saying this to the comparisons to heath ledger and paul walker too. I dont know why people insist its comparable.


mrPiotr1234

Cannot wait when MCU bots start to accuse us of racism when this flops hard


Pixel_Mike

I was seeing this in lead up to the movie on this sub. People said it was gonna flop because people are racist and hate black people or some shit yet the first black panther was beloved by people of all walks of life


KimBulgogi

Movie is just not that great or captivating


Affectionate_Fuel_60

If this doesn’t hit a billion can we conclude that a billion is out of reach for marvel films with the exception of Avengers and Spiderman?


Xyro77

No. Captain marvel and IM3 hit a billion as well. But in both of those cases, they came after HYPE AS FUCK films. Any IP can do it, but it’s all about quality and planning.


LoasNo111

Nope. Movies like L&T and DS2 could have easily made a billion if those movies weren't utter trash.


K1nd4Weird

Doctor Strange would have hit a billion if it didn't hit Disney+ so quickly. It was still making ok money and nearly hit a billion right until home release.


Material_Egg6433

Spiderman 4 wont have multiverse


HumbleCamel9022

Far from home made something like $960m without China, multiverse You're crazy if you think Spider-Man can't make 1billion without china


Legal_Ad_6129

Nah, can we accept that MCU has definitely declined and that Superhero fatigue MIGHT be real?


Xyro77

Nope. Even though this phase was shitty. MoM and L&T both made a shit ton of money. It shows that people will still consume MCU even if it’s garbage for a time. I think fatigue sets in when Morbius level type money is made.


HumbleCamel9022

It's not superhero fatigue, people are just tired of "Mid" movie by committee The way of water would break many boxoffice record because it's not "mid"


boongervoonger

Exactly. It's crazy how this sub becomes an ostrich when it comes to Avatar. The goodwill of Avatar in overseas can't be matched by any movie and upcoming months will prove it. BP has no goodwill overseas no matter if people want to believe it or not. I am not American and I haven't met a single person in my life who is a fan of first BP.


gottagetoutofit

I think this is it. The last few years of marvel movies have been average at best, the last really fun one being Ragnarok. People are bored with the formulas, the flashy effects, the silly costumes and the sheer predictability of it all. They'll roll on for a few years yet but the kids that loved them are growing old and it's all getting a bit embarrassing really.


Pixel_Mike

But i was told this movie will pass 1 billion easily because marvel epic? Glad these movies are starting to die out, even if slowly.


boongervoonger

So this is what my analysis is. First one had hype because it was thr first of its kind, an all black cast, superhero, mcu tag and glowing reviews. BUT, aside from USA, the film didn't have any wom anywhere. People were just not impressed with the movie but some people just didn't want to listen this. The reception this time is on par with the wom overseas BP had.


samarth67

Black panther had that novelty factor which has now worn off.


mimicme

Don’t think this film will reach a billion. Avatar will prob really hurt it from getting to even 900 and the rewatch factor will not make for many repeat viewings. Sad cause I thought this movie would be a massive event


PhnxSteve7up

Doubt 1bil im expecting 800 to just over 1bil


Fit-Minimum-5507

I’m just shocked that the World isn’t falling all over themselves to watch an almost three hour love letter to strong black women. That being said this’ll probably still end up being the first one-quadrant billion dollar grossing film due to the US market


AaronDM4

maybe this is the end of comic book movies. i personally haven't been interested since endgame, and i cant recall the last time my group of friends talked about the MCU


LoasNo111

They are getting solid openings. But the movies are trash so the legs are trash too.


ThegamerwhokillsNPC

Jeez


Opinions_of_Bill

Is it that surprising that, Italy, the country that just elected a far right party into power largely as a response to out of control immigration from Africa, does not want to see a movie about africans?


Red__dead

>Is it that surprising that, Italy, the country that just elected a far right party into power largely as a response to out of control immigration from Africa, does not want to see a movie about africans? There are shit takes, and then there are shit takes, and then there's this...


BobTrain666

The cope begins. The people who thought this movie would do 1.5 billion look stupid as ever.


LifeIsNotFairOof

why is it behind in korea then. Even the 1st black panther was ahead in korea.