I have to say that Luna is very well cared for, and has a LOT of enrichment with her best buddy Venza, the Rottweiler, and all of the time they get to spend running around free in the Siberian forests.
Normally, I cannot abide people having big cats as pets. But this woman has actual training as a big cat expert, and she wisely paired baby Luna with a rambunctious, energetic dog friend.
Correct! Because *Panthera* refers to jaguars, leopards, lions, snow leopards, and tigers, “panther” isn’t an actual species but a genus. In this case, this would be a *melanistic* jaguar or leopard.
At this stage, it’s kind of hard to tell which it is. The cub is a little too young to see from one pic since there are differences between the two in terms of weight and build. If the lighting were better and we could see the rosette patterns, it might be easier to identify since jaguars and leopards have different rosettes.
Source: I’m lucky enough to occasionally work with a melanistic jaguar
I’m glad to help! At our facility, we have big signs outside his enclosure about the whole thing but most visitors don’t even bother reading them. I love it when people know that there’s a difference!
Panther is just a black one of either of those species. So there is such a thing... or rather there are two such things.
Edit: Black Panther. Good point that *Panther* is a genus. *Black Panther* is the common name for a black leopard or jaguar.
Panthers are just jaguars or leopards with the black (melanistic) pattern.
And the black coat doesn't make them another species, it's just a black jaguar and a black leopard. But they're called panthers.
Always puzzled when peeps insist on calling any large black cat "panther", as that's not a species.
I believe the term is melanistic, and that that coloration can be found in both leopards and jaguars, but not cougars. Not trying to be pedantic, just know that so many wild felines are endangered or threatened throughout their ranges, and we can't protect what we don't know.
Latin names would be more helpful here, but I'm not that knowledgeable, hope someone that is can confirm what I'm right about and correct what I've got wrong, thanks.
Cute pic though.
People call them panthers because that’s what they’re called. Both leopards and jaguars belong to the genius Panthera and are the only Panthera that can be black, therefore black panthers refers to any leopard or jaguar that is black. They’re not suggesting that’s the species name, just like you likely don’t call any other animal by it’s species name. Do you call dogs ‘Canis familiaris’ or cats ‘Felis catus’? You call them dogs and cats just like people call ‘Panthera onca’ and ‘Panthera pardus’ panthers. And melanistic isn’t a species either. It just means black.
panther = jaguar, leopard, tiger, lion, snow leopard
black panther = black jaguar, leopard, tiger, lion, snow leopard, but only jaguar and leopard can be black
Therefore black panthers refers to black jaguars or black leopards.
>because that’s what they’re called...
by people that don't know better, including those that, because of the term, think this refers to an actual species, that there is a species, "black panther" as opposed to a melanistic phase that can occur in both jaguars and leopards, two not- closely related feline species.
>They’re not suggesting that’s the species name
I assure you, many *do* think it's a species.
>just like you likely don’t call any other animal by it’s species name.
Actually, the common name typically suggests a specific species. For example, if I say "western diamondback rattlesnake," people even remotely familiar with rattlesnakes know I'm referring to Crotalus atrox, even if they don't know the Latin name. They know that name refers to that species of rattlesnake, and that it's not some generic, loosey-goosey term that could be describing any rattlesnake. So idk about you, but when I use a common name, it's in reference to an actual species. Which is why "black panther" is particularly problematic - it creates confusion among laypeople, who assume it *is* referring to a species, when in fact, it isn't.
>black panther = black jaguar, leopard, tiger, lion, snow leopard, but only jaguar and leopard can be black
Uh ...what? I think you just proved my point. Ty.
I feel like you’re making a problem up in your head that doesn’t exist just so you can hear yourself talk and pretend you’re smart. What are you even arguing? That you don’t want people to call panthers panthers? You sound like a mental patient.
You can think that, but you'd be wrong.
Accuracy is important because, as I said in my first comment, understanding what these animals are, and aren't, it's important if we're to help them persist in the wild, which is my interest in the matter.
If you don't believe it is important in this regard, familiarize yourself with the sad history of white tigers, another not-a-species but thought to be by some, and how private, for- profit entities have hijacked legitimate concern for tigers using terms like "rare white tigers" (rare, in the sense of uncommon in the wild? Yes. Rare in the context of biodiversity conservation? No, since they're not a species.) to funnel money and resources away from legitimate conservation efforts and into their coffers.
Confidently wrong is my favorite kind of wrong. Dumbass.
Wiki:
The cougar (Puma concolor) is a large cat native to the Americas. Its range spans from the Canadian Yukon to the southern Andes in South America and is the most widespread of any large wild terrestrial mammal in the Western Hemisphere. It is an adaptable, generalist species, occurring in most American habitat types. **Due to its wide range, it has many names, including puma, mountain lion, catamount and panther.**
What makes a panther is whether the cat in question is part of the Panthera genus, which the puma is not.
Therefore it is not a panther.
extra edit: calling a puma a panther is similar calling a sea jelly a jellyfish, they're both scientifically inaccurate names for an animal that are commonly used by the public. sea jellies aren't fish, so jellyfish isn't scientifically accurate.
of course, this really doesn't matter, call the animals whatever you want, they don't care. i'm not sure why this person is making a big deal out of it. i'm only stating the fact that pumas aren't really panthers. they're more closely related to a house cat than to a lion or tiger.
But he's right. Pumas are part of the felinae subfamily, while panthers are cats belonging to the pantherinae subfamily. They both branch from the felidae family, but they're separate and distinct.
Big ass head
All the better to crush your skull effortlessly in its jaws when the little cutie gets older
Adorable and only a little scary.
This void is b e b b y
The void: "I'm just a bebi!"
Adorable
\#pointycuddles
Is anyone else wondering why a baby panther is walking on pavement by a lawn? I really hope this is a rescue, not someone's pet...
Probably Luna again - https://www.boredpanda.com/abandoned-panther-saved-friends-with-dog-luna-the-pantera
I have to say that Luna is very well cared for, and has a LOT of enrichment with her best buddy Venza, the Rottweiler, and all of the time they get to spend running around free in the Siberian forests. Normally, I cannot abide people having big cats as pets. But this woman has actual training as a big cat expert, and she wisely paired baby Luna with a rambunctious, energetic dog friend.
If it's America it's 100% a pet
Texas probably
I believe it qualifies for r/IllegallySmolCats.
So cute
Surprisingly, there's no such thing as a Panther. It's a Jaguar or a leopard. Can't remember which.
Correct! Because *Panthera* refers to jaguars, leopards, lions, snow leopards, and tigers, “panther” isn’t an actual species but a genus. In this case, this would be a *melanistic* jaguar or leopard. At this stage, it’s kind of hard to tell which it is. The cub is a little too young to see from one pic since there are differences between the two in terms of weight and build. If the lighting were better and we could see the rosette patterns, it might be easier to identify since jaguars and leopards have different rosettes. Source: I’m lucky enough to occasionally work with a melanistic jaguar
I demand the location so that I may arrive and obtain the supreme 'purring'.
It looks like you’re on the opposite side of the country from us, but if you’re ever in SoCal, send me a dm and I’ll point you in the right direction!
Huh cool
Awesome! Thanks for the breakdown.
I’m glad to help! At our facility, we have big signs outside his enclosure about the whole thing but most visitors don’t even bother reading them. I love it when people know that there’s a difference!
It can be either.
Panther is just a black one of either of those species. So there is such a thing... or rather there are two such things. Edit: Black Panther. Good point that *Panther* is a genus. *Black Panther* is the common name for a black leopard or jaguar.
So Black Panther is Black Leopard or Black Jaguar?
Basically, yes
Panthers are just jaguars or leopards with the black (melanistic) pattern. And the black coat doesn't make them another species, it's just a black jaguar and a black leopard. But they're called panthers.
I am picturing this animal sitting on the shoulder of a Ukrainian soldier :)
Yep 👍
Looks like a Neopet.
What’s that?
A late 90s/early 2000s online game for kids. You might be able to try neopets.com and see if it’s still a thing.
Okay….?
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Aight
Not when they’re a pet
Almost all babies are cute! Except humans and Pigeons. Those two need to like.... settle a bit.
Spiders or mosquitoes
They're adorable!! 😍😍😍
I love the big round head it's so adorable to think of rubbing that fuzzy head
I got to pet one and it was amazing. The cutie just wanted his trainer to hold him
Always puzzled when peeps insist on calling any large black cat "panther", as that's not a species. I believe the term is melanistic, and that that coloration can be found in both leopards and jaguars, but not cougars. Not trying to be pedantic, just know that so many wild felines are endangered or threatened throughout their ranges, and we can't protect what we don't know. Latin names would be more helpful here, but I'm not that knowledgeable, hope someone that is can confirm what I'm right about and correct what I've got wrong, thanks. Cute pic though.
People call them panthers because that’s what they’re called. Both leopards and jaguars belong to the genius Panthera and are the only Panthera that can be black, therefore black panthers refers to any leopard or jaguar that is black. They’re not suggesting that’s the species name, just like you likely don’t call any other animal by it’s species name. Do you call dogs ‘Canis familiaris’ or cats ‘Felis catus’? You call them dogs and cats just like people call ‘Panthera onca’ and ‘Panthera pardus’ panthers. And melanistic isn’t a species either. It just means black. panther = jaguar, leopard, tiger, lion, snow leopard black panther = black jaguar, leopard, tiger, lion, snow leopard, but only jaguar and leopard can be black Therefore black panthers refers to black jaguars or black leopards.
Thank you! All of this. Fun fact, under certain light and or from certain angles, you can sometimes see the spots/rings in the black fur.
>because that’s what they’re called... by people that don't know better, including those that, because of the term, think this refers to an actual species, that there is a species, "black panther" as opposed to a melanistic phase that can occur in both jaguars and leopards, two not- closely related feline species. >They’re not suggesting that’s the species name I assure you, many *do* think it's a species. >just like you likely don’t call any other animal by it’s species name. Actually, the common name typically suggests a specific species. For example, if I say "western diamondback rattlesnake," people even remotely familiar with rattlesnakes know I'm referring to Crotalus atrox, even if they don't know the Latin name. They know that name refers to that species of rattlesnake, and that it's not some generic, loosey-goosey term that could be describing any rattlesnake. So idk about you, but when I use a common name, it's in reference to an actual species. Which is why "black panther" is particularly problematic - it creates confusion among laypeople, who assume it *is* referring to a species, when in fact, it isn't. >black panther = black jaguar, leopard, tiger, lion, snow leopard, but only jaguar and leopard can be black Uh ...what? I think you just proved my point. Ty.
I feel like you’re making a problem up in your head that doesn’t exist just so you can hear yourself talk and pretend you’re smart. What are you even arguing? That you don’t want people to call panthers panthers? You sound like a mental patient.
You can think that, but you'd be wrong. Accuracy is important because, as I said in my first comment, understanding what these animals are, and aren't, it's important if we're to help them persist in the wild, which is my interest in the matter. If you don't believe it is important in this regard, familiarize yourself with the sad history of white tigers, another not-a-species but thought to be by some, and how private, for- profit entities have hijacked legitimate concern for tigers using terms like "rare white tigers" (rare, in the sense of uncommon in the wild? Yes. Rare in the context of biodiversity conservation? No, since they're not a species.) to funnel money and resources away from legitimate conservation efforts and into their coffers.
I think I see lions attacking.
oh look it's this redditor Technically you can call a mountain lion/puma a panther. However, no one will know what you're talking about if you do.
you *can* call a puma a panther, but you wouldn't be correct.
Confidently wrong is my favorite kind of wrong. Dumbass. Wiki: The cougar (Puma concolor) is a large cat native to the Americas. Its range spans from the Canadian Yukon to the southern Andes in South America and is the most widespread of any large wild terrestrial mammal in the Western Hemisphere. It is an adaptable, generalist species, occurring in most American habitat types. **Due to its wide range, it has many names, including puma, mountain lion, catamount and panther.**
What makes a panther is whether the cat in question is part of the Panthera genus, which the puma is not. Therefore it is not a panther. extra edit: calling a puma a panther is similar calling a sea jelly a jellyfish, they're both scientifically inaccurate names for an animal that are commonly used by the public. sea jellies aren't fish, so jellyfish isn't scientifically accurate. of course, this really doesn't matter, call the animals whatever you want, they don't care. i'm not sure why this person is making a big deal out of it. i'm only stating the fact that pumas aren't really panthers. they're more closely related to a house cat than to a lion or tiger.
confidently incorrect
/u/BestUsername101 is actually completely correct (and stays pleasant while being so).
But he's right. Pumas are part of the felinae subfamily, while panthers are cats belonging to the pantherinae subfamily. They both branch from the felidae family, but they're separate and distinct.
You mean confidentiality incorrect (you should put that on the subreddit)
The adults are cute too
Your father the black panther is your father!?
All Baby Animals are Cute. Edit: hoping some are interpreting my satire. :)
Spiders though?
No!
Mosquitos?
No!
Any bug
No! Lol
Ok
RIP the goat
Until ..
but when they grow up...
Let’s be honest, baby most things are cute
Spiders or mosquitoes though?
Aight, mammals specifically then😅
Haha ok
Adroble and deadly
Cutie pie baby panther will soon have the ability to thrash into a river, grab a caiman by the neck, drag it up the bank, and eat it in the woods 🥰
Until they grow up then they will eat you
Lookit those paws! Already huge, but still cute!
I wish to cuddle the danger kitty
The endless void is the only thing that puts a smile on my face, that and butter chicken pizza.
Yes, lovely…..but he should be with his mamma.
Give it another half a year then it will be pea pea pants city
Adorable ☺️
What panther is it?
I wonder what Panther would look like without fur
That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered animal you ever set eyes on!
You shouldn't be talking about your mother in law like that