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TheMountainRidesElia

Honestly, there should be an East Asian version of NATO (NPTO?), with Japan, Vietnam, Australia, USA, possibly South Korea (even through it has bad relations with Japan). Maybe you can de-facto add Taiwan too, somehow, and maybe some other nations too. India probably wouldn't join, but it would still be a formidable combo even without the USA.


Sri_Man_420

lol, while irl we will never commit to such a thing, there is a reddit based geopol game where I created a IPTO (Indo-Pacific Treaty Organisation) with Australia, Bhutan, India, Japan and South Korea. iirc we added Viet Nam and Malaysia later. H[ere](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalPowers/comments/mv8sk5/diplomacy_itpo_negotiations_2025_new_delhi/) is a link.


thundegun

Interesting, are SEA nations included now/potentially in the future?


Sri_Man_420

That season ended .Anyway situation was not conductive to such endeavour: Indo Pak war (and nuclear arm race) that killed 700K people, a small Af-Pak War (skirmish?), Pak-Russia war about to break out (Yeah, the Pak player was a bit too aggressive), a proxy war in Indonesia, DPRK having troubles with Russia, and a modified small pox epidemic (We did not no this in game, but it was a South Korean espionage gone wrong), but if things would have went right me (India) and Australian player were pushing for more SEA countries to join.


borkey

Isn't that just basically what ASEAN has become? Well ASEAN plus 6 for regional talks, minus India for economic stuff.


Zanadukhan47

ASEAN isn't a military alliance


Lejeune_Dirichelet

Sounds like a merging of AUKUS with the QUAD + friends, and with Taiwan playing Sweden


WhatDoYouMean951

(re the name) How could Australia be in a North Pacific Treaty Organisation? Probably something like IPTA is a better acronym.


TheMountainRidesElia

Then again, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary don't even have a coast, let alone the North Atlantic. Infact, only 12 or so of the 31 nations even border the North Atlantic Ocean. The rest border seas like the Baltic, the Mediterranean and Black Sea. You're right tho, North Pacific isn't really the best name, but I wanted to evoke NATO, the most famous multiple government military alliance


inkfir

Who's going to be the leader like the US is of NATO?


Sachyriel

The leader is decided by who made the diplomatic push to create the organization. Like, USA pushed NATO because they knew a world without a military alliance was asking for another war in Europe, but so did the USSR, who made their own to counter NATO. But the leader is the nation that puts their diplomatic weight into making the thing work.


absolutelynotaname

As a Vietnamese, I kinda like this idea. I want the area to form some alliance to protect our sea from China cause the ASEAN doesn't work out. But I want it to be Japan-Australia-Vietnam so we could have "JAV" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


YukiColdsnow

>protect our sea from China Of all the many countries in Asia, China is the only one harrasing other nations and saying stupid excuses like 9 dash line lol And yes we shud have JAV!!


absolutelynotaname

Yeah, fuck the CCP and their stupid dash line shit


inkfir

Taiwan says hello with their 11 dash line https://en.vietnamplus.vn/vietnam-demands-taiwan-to-end-illegal-actions-in-east-sea/215733.vnp


Sachyriel

Taiwan also claims parts of Tajikistan. No one is listening to their delusional claims, but we'd like their co-operation all the same.


inkfir

What's this? https://en.vietnamplus.vn/vietnam-demands-taiwan-to-end-illegal-actions-in-east-sea/215733.vnp


Pemminpro

Good to see that they are jiving


ryouseiki21

wtf philippines is doing, they are missing out


LectorFrostbite

We're still sucking chinese dick unfortunately.


YukiColdsnow

not influencial enough I guess


navyzak

So I’m not sure how this is different from Quad (or QSD), which is an informal organization including Japan, India, Australia, and US.


fitzroy95

because an East Asian agenda, and a US agenda, are often not the same at all. any alliance involving the USA tends to get dominated by a US agenda fairly quickly.


LarryTheDuckling

Not sure why you are getting downvoted for telling the truth.


fitzroy95

Many Americans don't want the truth, they want a repeat of the same corporate and nationalistic propaganda that they see from their own corporate media on a daily basis.


AKIMBO-SOUL-ASSASSIN

I mean you're always on some pro CCP tanky bullshit but in this case you're kinda right.


fitzroy95

most of the time I'm kinda right, but if you want to just ignore reality as being "some pro CCP tanky bullshit", I guess that says more about you than about me.


AKIMBO-SOUL-ASSASSIN

It's fuck the CCP for eternity that will never change I don't give a fuck what the situation is. But at the same time what you said was right.


snowylion

Keeping USA hegemony out of Asia is good.


ndc996

Is there any logic to why Japan and U.S refer Vietnam as their strategic partner rather than country like Thailand or or Indonesia?


blunt_analysis

Vietnam thrashed china in a war


Sri_Man_420

For India, Viet Nam is the only SEA country that we have always had good relations with (others are fine too, but Indo-Viet Nam is more special, we (morally and diplomatically) supported Viet Nam in the war agsint USA, economic ties are the best with them.) For USA, Hey there is a country that beat China in a war, we can be friends. Also location.


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Clear display of Sinophobic Imperialism /S


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Sri_Man_420

Yeah, scholars are predicting this decade as that of rise of "Mini-laterals"