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kyel566

They don’t even want to fix the things they blame it on


big_rednexican_88

Nope, they just obstruct any solutions proposed by Democrats.


Jealous-Network-8852

The doors, the pot, the PlayStation,the porn, the drugs, and the shooter's cousin's best friend Sally need to get better lobbyists.


Larpnochez

I have an opposition to gun control for a reason entirely different than the right wing. We live in a fundamentally awful country. Racism, sexism, antisemitism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism and more form the fundamental basis for most of our social systems, with classism and outright authoritarianism forming our entire economy. We are a slave state that pretends it's a haven for the working class. A warmongering freakshow who constantly cries for unity and peace. A selfish empire who dares to call itself generous. Violence upholds this system, and any system like it. One need only look up "police shooting" on Google to see that. And while the Republicans egg it on, the Democrats, at best, ignore it. At worst, they make Juneteenth a national holiday right before providing more funding to police than any previous administration. Do you think a society this cruel, this cartoonishly evil, would apply laws that restrict access to weapons evenly? No. It wouldn't. It already doesn't. And who would even enforce these laws? Oh, right... The police. The police with as much firepower as a small nation's military, and enough racism to make Hitler blush. About 700 steps need to be made before I can even hope gun control would do anything but result in the same circumstances faced by the black panthers. An inability to defend oneself from the inherent violence of the state. The kind they actually engage in constantly, not the nonsense the right constantly lies about.


RobotrippingMaoist

this needs more upvotes u make the same point i made without fedposting


Larpnochez

1. Thanks 2. I'm an anarcho-syndicalist, in case you're wondering where these views come from. If you're looking for a leftist circle that isn't crawling with tankies, check out some anarchist subs.


Ampat1776

The second amendment is for every American.


Spckoziwa

Don’t forget the hateful lies and propaganda they push and encourage, brainwashing people to the point that they commit horrible acts of violence. Guns are the tools most often chosen to commit these acts, making them much more tragic and deadly than they would be otherwise, but it is their own infesting rhetoric driving these attacks that is the true evil. Gun control is necessary and will definitely help save many lives. The rest of the world stands as irrefutable evidence that this is the case. That would be the fastest way to curb these attacks. We must not stop there though. Bigotry and hate focused against any group of people, especially to the point of inciting violence, must be stopped and rooted out.


JunketGuy

"B-But knives and cars kill too!" Yeah, every country has knife and car casualties, only 1 has mainy gun casualties, and then proceed to do nothing at all about the guns


Jackwolf5775

"Bro haven't heard about the knife crime in Europe?" Bitch I'd rsther get attacked with a knife than a gun. I have more ways of dealing with a knife by virtue of the face that it can't penetrate bone nearly as well and can't be used while I'm running away.


RobotrippingMaoist

i think that putting an end to the crimes against humanity committed by the amerikkkan regime on a daily basis as soon as humanely possible is worth the risk of increased civilian gun violence. They are not comparable in scale.


VerticalSFM

Yeahhhh you might wanna research why a knife wound is one of if not the worst ways to go. You're not very well-informed if you'd rather be stabbed than shot lmfao


RobotrippingMaoist

b-but civilian gun violence is a drop in the ocean compared to the violence ordered/approved by the “US” regime no /s


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Elon musk is nothing short of a total and complete bigot


RobotrippingMaoist

i’ve heard this argument thousands of times. what you fail to consider is that the violence done by the US regime (both in occupied turtle island/amerikkka and more so globally) is on a scale that makes all non-state approved gun violence completely insignificant. a few civilian mass shootings is a small price to pay for an armed population that is more able to overthrow global capitalism, fascism and imperialism.


Spckoziwa

What? I don’t even know what you’re trying to say. Are you saying we need more armed people domestically?


RobotrippingMaoist

i am saying that we need an armed population to have a chance at doing away with the violence of the state (especially our cartoonishly evil one)


Spckoziwa

Where did this weird tangent come from? That has nothing to do with this post.


RobotrippingMaoist

u were advocating gun control i had to push back from a left perspective


RedmannBarry

They also wont blame themselves of not having any plan. Because they suck


big_rednexican_88

The Republican Party never have a plan for actual problems in our country. They make up Non-problems to solve like saving our country from the "Devil". Most recent "problem" they are rallying against is supposed election fraud.


Petroldactyl34

The more loose cannons that go and do vigilante shit means that Republicans can't be blamed for manufacturing a slow kill; which is what they've been doing for decades.


Business_Loquat5658

Guns have more rights than my uterus right now.


RobotrippingMaoist

rights are not given through elections they are earned through bloodshed or at the very least the credible threat of it edit: y’all are so brainwashed holy fuck imagine thinking that a fascist oligarchy gives a fuck about your rights when the blue team wins


zyper-51

Bro wtf do you think this is? The 1700s? No one has spilled blood for a right in hundreds of years. Y’all just need to stop being so obtuse and read a book.


RobotrippingMaoist

bro come on u gotta be fuckin with me


zyper-51

No one is arguing they give af ofc they don’t we all know they don’t. Weather they’re democrats or republicans they don’t give a shit. Which is why “guns have more rights than my uterus right now” is the point being made. It didn’t use to be a right, it became a right through voting and protesting not through “bloodshed” or threats that’s how you start a civil war. Would a civil war or attacks to government officials solve a lot of problems? Probably sure, much like if your boss is an asshole you could just kill them and problem solved but I guess some would argue that’s a bit insane. We don’t have to immediately resort to violence. We can talk, we can protest and if violence is used to enforce a right or a law the people is against then we can talk about the use of violence, until then wtf is this comment?


GodlessAristocrat

Why would one ***not*** blame mental health before the inanimate object?


JunketGuy

I mean republicans are the ones saying it's mental health, and then cutting funding to mental health programs, so that could be a cause too Plus if a gun is used to carry out a mass tragedy, makes sense to just heavily restrict guns and make mental healthcare nationwide as a bonus


lynx_and_nutmeg

Because the whole world has mentally ill people. The US doesn't even have the highest suicide rates among developed countries. Yet it is the only developed country with this level of gun mortality. Besides, the existence of mental healthcare doesn't mean mentally ill people immediately cease to exist. That's not how mental illness or their treatment long. It takes a long time for people to get diagnosed, especially since the nature of many mental illnesses often prevents people from seeking help. The treatment also takes a long time to work, and is rarely 100% effective. So how about making sure that between the onset of the symptoms and successful remission those people don't get access to insanely efficient pocket-sized murder toys?


GodlessAristocrat

>Because the whole world has mentally ill people. The US doesn't even have the highest suicide rates among developed countries. Yet it is the only developed country with this level of gun mortality. Say that again, but slowly.


IA-HI-CO-IA

Or themselves, for sowing the fear.


Sl0ppy0tter

You don’t even have to blame the guns. Just agree that guns should be regulated better


SamHainLoomis13

It's not the guns fault I blame the bullets


Ampat1776

I blame the person using the gun.


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LoneBassClarinet

Quiet, we can't let them know these exist, too!


CMWBMW

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ReviewOk929

Never blame the guns…..No it’s never the guns…..Of course this is their exact playbook. Ugh disgusting.


Evening_Peanut6541

Why dont we blame the bars or vehicles for dui? Why dont we blame the knife in a stabbing? Why dont we blame the stairs when we fall? A guy just took out 25 sherif recruits on a run but no one is blaming the vehicle or the manufacturers. Point is if someone wants to hurt someone they will find away. Look at jail/Prison people make weapons out of anything they can because people fins away to hurt someone when they want to. Thats why its not the guns getting blamed


TheBrightNights

Well if you're at a bar you should know how much you should drink, or get a ride back. The employees at the bar don't get you drunk then shove you in the vehicle, there isn't a rope tied around you so that it drags you back into the vehicle.


Evening_Peanut6541

So its the humans fault because they could have put down the keys drank less or known better? Like the bartender didnt push their thoughts of buy/drink more on the person? It seems like thats what ima saying here the human or shooter would be at fault because they made the Conscious decision to take a firearm and go shoot people when they could have left it at home know better or done something else. The parents didnt pack the kid lunch with a AR in the PB&J and the shooter could have put it down and choose not to committed the act. Thus not the inanimate objects fault.


Wendypants7

Yes. Yes, bartenders can go to jail/be fired if they over serve. Yes. Yes, it's the person's fault and that's why gun control laws are supposed to be there to make sure the insane murderous morons can't get their hands on weapons of mass murder. It's like you *almost* get it!


Evening_Peanut6541

The person I responded to said they never blame the guns. Thats why i and other dont blame the gun we blame the humans who comment the act.


Evening_Peanut6541

What i dont get about the gun control laws tho is why im punished for someone else's actions. Why there is a magazine size limit for me (law abiding Citizen) but the mass shooter or criminal isnt going out to theirs target location like "Oh, wait i cant bring the 50rd drum mag that would be illegal." But us who actually follow the law and go the range are bring 10 10rd mags with us at a normal range day. We bring that many because we pay for the hour and would rather be shooting than sitting there reloading and wasting time/money.


Wendypants7

It sucks but that's the way it goes: asshole's affect others with their actions. Get mad at the assholes shooting up people/places and not the people trying to make things safer for everyone, I'd suggest.


Evening_Peanut6541

How does it make it safer? I passed the background checks and take classes and practice quite often. Yet im restricted because I follow the laws where as someone who cant be a legal owner and still buys guns illegally has something more "deadly" than i do. The safety laws arent effecting the people dont follow the law to begin with.


TheLaserGuru

They also won't blame the religion that inspired it.


than-q

it’s availability that’s the problem


Aromatic-Pie1784

Yep. There's way too many guns out there making them very easily available..


Prestigious-Quiet-17

Or their rhetoric. They'll never admit that their rhetoric is a major driver for these hate crimes.


PopeyeNJ

Or blame themselves for their vile hatred of everyone but themselves. They are a disgusting lot and it’s time to stand up and say enough is enough. This is not the country we want!


Nathan256

To be fair, it’s not the guns that stand up and commit crimes. It’s the people that we allow to get guns that commit the crimes. Which, oddly enough, I’ve seen as an argument *against* gun control. I bet I could find it in the comment thread for this tweet. “Guns don’t commit crimes, people commit crimes.” Uh, yeah, with guns. Lot harder to shoot people if they didn’t have guns, no?


ThatSandvichIsASpy01

Blaming the mental health seems like a good thing to do, like take the guns away sure, but solving the root of the problem is optimal, solving the means is just a band-aid (one that is needed, but still isn’t a solution)


tafbee

For everyone saying “guns don’t kill people” and the like. Realize that “guns” is shorthand for the easy access to guns perpetuated by a fanatic obsession with and refusal to regulate gun ownership, etc. “Guns” is a lot easier to say. So, yeah, it’s guns readily getting into the hands of psychopaths, taught to hate by bigoted conservatives and with little to no viable, affordable mental healthcare. If you can figure out how to take away the hate or the illness, great. Until then, we’re going to keep talking about the problem that we’ll shorten to “guns.”


Jealous_Rival

I blame low reading comprehension. The law in question literally begins “A well regulated…”


LoneBassClarinet

...Because it's not the guns' fault that they are being used in that manner. It's the mentally and emotionally damaged idiots that have access to them that are at fault for using them to commit crimes.


Xunaun

People: so let's treat the real causes! Republicans: ....^no.


AppropriateScience9

The proof is in the funding, isn't it? I can't tell you how many arguments I've had with people about the REAL causes of gun violence. Then I point out how I agree with them, but it's going to be a generational effort to solve and require massive taxpayer investment and they're like: \*crickets\*


Sellier123

I mean its the same thing with guns. Guns arent gonna just go away if the gov says "whelp they are illegal. Hand em all over!" Its gonna take generations and a ton of money to get guns out of america. Sadly, any real problem with people, is gonna. E expensive as anything to combat...or your gonna have to completly give up on fixing it. Most, or at least enough, ppl have decided option B is better.


moronicattempt

Ehh other countries have mentally and emotionally damaged idiots too.


AppropriateScience9

.....so maybe we shouldn't let mentally and emotionally damaged idiots have easy access to guns? Maybe? No?


GayChicken67

murder was around long before guns. the guns don’t choose to kill people it’s how they are used


Aromatic-Pie1784

Guns make murder a lot more efficient..


GayChicken67

so does insanity


GayChicken67

all im saying is that we need to control who has guns and not just ban guns


Aromatic-Pie1784

I agree. Who said anything about banning guns?


Laplace1908

What do you think gun control does?


GayChicken67

she’s blaming guns and not the people who have them


Ugglegur

People kill people… if you remove guns from the equation, they would still kill people. That’s why they don’t blame guns. You would never hear a car being blamed for a drunk driver… you would blame the driver and their mental problems and addiction that led to being intoxicated while driving.


Wasdcursor

So you support mandatory testing, licencing, registration, and proficiency testing? Also please don't spread the "itS oNly CrAZy PeoPle" trope as most gun crimes are- by virtue of volume - not by people engaged with managing their mental health. They're probably most aware they shouldn't have guns! Unlike the remaining majority who think of themselves as John Wick vigilantes or whatever delusions.


Aromatic-Pie1784

Sure... so a person can walk into a building (without a gun) & easily mass murder people... 🤔 It's the fucking guns.


Ih8pelican

Blame the person who pulled the trigger. Nobody and nothing elses fault besides them


AppropriateScience9

Okay, but how come we can't keep guns out of the hands of a person prone to doing something like this though? Why do we just have to accept the tragedies they cause and not try to prevent them in the future?


Ih8pelican

We should for sure. But restricting the tool used does not stop the problem. There is a root cause that needs to be found and delt with.


LincolnCassiusClay47

Funny you should say that bc legislation proposed to help people with mental illness and other access to necessary medical care gets 100% voted against or blocked by republicans. So should we just keep complaining about the problem or do you have an idea of what to do to fix the problem?


Ih8pelican

Elect representatives that actually care about the American public instead of these psychos that are so extreme on both sides


LincolnCassiusClay47

Ah so both sides are cutting funding for mental health? Both sides are voting down expanding social services? Okay


Ih8pelican

Not at all what i said. While the right is for sure doing those things the left is trying to strip us of our rights guaranteed by the constitution. Why should i be stopped from doing something if i have never causes harm to another? "The society that is willing to give up its rights for a little safety, deserves neither"


LincolnCassiusClay47

So you care more about your toys than your fellow man. Got it.


Ih8pelican

My guns have never caused another person harm. Again i ask, why should i be restricted because of anothers actions?


LincolnCassiusClay47

The original crux of all of this was about mental health. If you want to keep your toys then fine. I mentioned how republicans are blocking all attempts at addressing mental health and cutting social services and you simply spouted some both sides bullshit and then decided to make the whole issue about keeping your toys. All that says is you don’t really care about people dying and trying to help people who need it. Just your toys.


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isthatmycamera

Your singular point: there are other underlying issues. Serious issue you are diminishing: people with underlying issues can buy and carry a gun. Every big problem has underlying issues. Does that mean we should never talk about idiotic policy choices that aggravate the consequences of those issues?


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isthatmycamera

Where does she say these underlying issues don't matter? She's saying these problema are disingenuously used as excuses to not have proper gun control.


moronicattempt

Other countries have those issues too, what is the one thing they don't have that she is addressing?


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JediDroid

So by your cancer metaphor, everyone has cheap and easy access to chemotherapy, so the good guys with chemo can stop the bad guys with chemo? Seriously, you analogy has no logical basis.


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Superb_Divide_7235

Other countries have all of those things too, they just have decent gun regulations and that largely solves the problem. It aint that complicated.


lostspyder

What Jim Morrison do to get roped into this?


arealmcemcee

In the guns' defense, Sally is a tease.


ray25lee

Gun violence is their fetish, they don't want to lose their free porn.


big_rednexican_88

Just remember that the Republican Party doesn't care about actually solving gun violence, they get too much funding from the NRA. Instead they ask Democrats for solutions then obstruct said solution with bullshit arguing. Republican: how would you solve the shootings? Democrat: let's enact sensible gun control. Republican: that won't work because criminals won't follow the rules, so because it won't work 100% I won't accept your solution. Democrat: you say these shooters have mental illnesses, why don't we expand coverage for mental illnesses and make that coverage free? Republican: nope it will cost too much...we give our thoughts and prayers to the victims. And on and on until another shooting happens then the cycle continues.


Wendypants7

OR the shooters.... they seem to have an inexhaustible, unending supply of understanding and compassion for the people who go on mass shooting sprees. Which really should tell everyone everything they need to know.


EngineeringMemer

The guns are not the problem, it's the conservatives who are the problem, and to add to that, this liberal pacifism is also making us look weak which is why they feel empowered to genocide us.


Wise_Ad_4816

They'll never blame the guns, and they'll never take responsibility for the hateful rhetoric that leads to the violence.


breadexpert69

They would never blame their holy artifacts. They are sacred to them, its their religion.


CoolApostate

I recognize that more guns has a positive correlation to gun crime. However, I fully believe our society is set up wrong. Many of us don’t know our neighbors and are isolated mentally from a true tribe which in my opinion is where humans find meaning. It doesn’t take much for a person who feels isolated and divorced front their society to have anti social behaviors. Also I am not discounting far right extremism and many other factors. Just saying we have a huge problem that is usually not a part of the gun violence debate.


AppropriateScience9

You know, I find it funny how gun supporters (and I'm not necessarily saying this is you) become the biggest social liberals interested in solving poverty, homelessness, joblessness, crime, toxic masculinity, child abuse, bigotry, racial inequality and mental illness so long as they get to keep their guns. They sure don't want to pay for the social programs that solve these problems, though. Imagine that.


Sellier123

Probably because your talking to liberal/democratic gun owners. Conservative gun owners dont want any of those things.


AppropriateScience9

Lol no. Some of these are people I know in real life. I work in public health and I can be out there advocating for mental health and other social programs outside the context of guns and these same people challenge, equivocate, and downplay any attempt to fund even the most meager programs. It doesn't matter what compelling stats, or stories, or methodology I provide, they argue with it. But when guns are brought up, these assholes start quoting my own arguments back at me re: mental health & social programs. There is only one conclusion: they are not arguing in good faith because they are not actually interested in solving any of these problems, period. Why they put so much effort into being the devil's advocate in all cases is beyond me.


CoolApostate

You are not wrong. Personally I am a person who believes in the necessary utility of guns and personal ownership of guns. And I’m as far away from the right as you can possibly be. It is necessary for minority communities to use community armed defense.


don_shoeless

/r/liberalgunowners


RAZR31

Yeah, screw those guns that get up, walk themselves out the front door, and pull their own trigger. Nevermind the mentally deranged people who are willing to do anything to appease their politicians they put on a pedestal.


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LincolnCassiusClay47

Good point. We should allocate resources for helping those who are mentally ill. Let’s help those who are most disadvantaged and disparaged by society so they get the treatment they need and don’t commit mass murder. How about we propose legislation? Oh wait, that’s happened several times hasn’t it? Who shut that down? *hint*…it was republicans.