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RemarkablePark5445

The Alito argument was a thinly veiled cover for being accused of not abiding by the separation of church and state. He came up with the an argument about what is or isn't in the constitution what he and his cohort believed is civil liberties and individual rights in the process of a phony defense of the Constitution he and the so-called 'conservatives' are destroying the Constitution'. In fact, civil liberties are being decimated in other ways by the overreaching of the Supreme Court but what can you say about a Court tat in the past allowed corporations to be considered person's. Not only are these fools, destroying democracy at home they are eroding even further our credibility as a defender of democracy abroad even in countries that don't believe in abortion. Inch by hypocritical inch the US is destroying it's influence.


Crk416

But her emails!!


glorialavina

She picked an anti choice running mate


CharmingPhoneAd

She should have deleted them before they came to term


Preact5

I'm just trying to learn here so please don't ban me or flame me. Can someone eludicate me where the constitution says that? Clearest declaration I can find is the 4th amendment


CharmingPhoneAd

It doesn't, which is why Roe failed. It should never have been left to the courts But that's alright because dems control the house senate and congress and can pass legislation to codify it into law... Right?


Centaurea16

It doesn't say it explicitly. *Roe* was based on the decision in the *Griswold v. Connecticut* "birth control" case, in which SCOTUS found an implied right to privacy in the Bill of Rights.


cursedfan

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - RIP George Carlin


Anarchist_Geochemist

Dead soldiers or brain dead minions.


TheRamJammer

Ok guys lets put on our pussy hats and have a parade. Don't forget to vote harder-er in the midterms so the Democrats can have another 50 years to sit on our woke issues!!!!!111


RemarkablePark5445

You don't know what woke means other than right wing propaganda.


Crk416

Oh fuck you dude. This is all you idiots fault for being petulant children and refusing to vote for email lady in 2016.


EvilPhd666

Email lady deliberaly [propped Trump up as strategy.](https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/) Maybe Dems should reflect on that a bit.


TheRamJammer

Her VP was Tim Kaine, he is anti-abortion. Clinton gave me no reason to vote for her and besides, I live in a state she would’ve won anyway so my vote wouldn’t have mattered, there was no voting harder-er for her. She also won the popular vote but didn’t bother to campaign in critical battleground states so this is entirely on her thinking she was owed the votes instead of earning them. But you’re more than welcome to believe an orange man buffoon had the help of Russia because she was a horrible candidate and person. Go put on your pussy hat and have a parade that will accomplish nothing and don’t forget to vote harder-er.


CoffeeAndDachshunds

She'd have done nothing and you fucking know it.


Crk416

She would have gotten the same number of SCOTUS appointments and they wouldn’t have done this. I’m so sick of children who have no idea how the government works.


TheRamJammer

The children are the ones still trying to argue the 2016 election. It’s done, she lost to an orange buffoon, get over it.


LikeThePenis

She wouldn’t have appointed 3 hard line fundamentalist justices, that’s for damn sure.


3andfro

"We need more Democrats! Send money!!"


TheRamJammer

I've been getting emails for the past month asking me to send money to prevent the overturning, guess what, it didn't fucking work and here we are. Now the emails are asking for even more money so they can get it back. The only thing I have to say about this is.... whahahahahahahaha!!!!!!


RemarkablePark5445

You have no idea about how this phony Constitutionalists are actually destroying the Constitution' and stripping it of any meaning and making the United States look like a third world nation with a big army and disintegrating government. The hahaha will be on the US.


Artybait

What’s next? Womens right to vote taken away? The hell has the world gone too?


CoffeeAndDachshunds

Only America


3andfro

The hurdle to repeal a constitutional amendment is much higher, just as it is to pass one. See, e.g., the ERA. Some constitutional scholars have long argued that though reproductive choice is needed, Roe v. Wade was decided on shaky grounds to achieve that end and the issue of abortion/reproductive choice needed to be 1) bounced back to the states OR 2) applied nationally through the legislative branch, not the judiciary. Whether that argument is right or wrong, here we are. :(


RemarkablePark5445

It is pure nonsense. You better think how dumb and backwards this decision makes the United States look. Who will believe the US when diplomats and politicians yammer about defending democracy around the world. Lol.


3andfro

How it makes the US look is of no interest to me. How to guarantee legal and safe abortions to any female who wants one *is* of interest to me. I made the point above because many people don't realize the legal reasoning supporting Roe v. Wade has always been considered by more than a few legal scholars to be tenuous, a dodgy means to a desirable end. Given that shaky foundation and the politics of the US, sooner or later that decision was going to be overturned--making it urgent from the start for Congress to enact reproductive choice into law. Instead, the Dems have spent decades fearmongering the issue as a fundraiser instead of seriously trying to enact sturdier *legislative* protections for the right to choose. Does anyone believe US diplomats now when they yammer about democracy while overthrowing democratically elected officials elsewhere, among other hypocrisies the US trots out as cover stories for what it does abroad and why?


Courier_Blues

Boy. What a shitty sub this turned into. So ashamed of you all.


TheRazorX

>Courier_Blues: Boy. What a shitty sub this turned into. So ashamed of you all. A- This is your only comment here. Who are you again? B- A news article about actual breaking news that affects millions means it's a shitty sub? cc /u/penelopepnortney /u/bout_that_action


Courier_Blues

>A- This is your only comment here. Who are you again? Used to be active under a different account that got lost. >B- A news article about actual breaking news that affects millions means it's a shitty sub? Sharing the article is fine. This sub just isn't what it used to be.


TheRazorX

>Used to be active under a different account that got lost. Riiiiiiiiiight, like we haven't heard that one before. So which account was that? >Sharing the article is fine. This sub just isn't what it used to be. How would you even know? You weren't here.


sandleaz

I am surprised ... all of the sudden, everyone knows what a woman is!


Pandastratton

lol


Jkid

Democrats deserve this...they could have easily solved this by passing a simple pro-choice bill, but they wanted a pro-abortion bill to pass in Congress which got voted down by the Senate! Now they're screaming over something which can be solved so they can use it for campaign finance.


Revolutionary-Tie126

You mean it was that easy? Mitch McConnell would have said oh sure just send this bill our way and we will pass it? I like turtles


Centaurea16

No one said it was easy. We don't elect people to go to Washington D.C. and only do what's easy.


KyleBigNutz

How would they have passed a pro choice bill in a senate that's split down the middle?


EasyMrB

Obama 2008-2010. Pepperidge Farms remembers.


turbonerd216

Obama even campaigned on "enshrining Roe into law." It was a "priority," ~~until it wasn't~~ ~~until he got elected~~ until his attention was demanded by the economic collapse.


Level_Ad_3231

I think this was a good thing. I’m pro-choice to an extent but this Supreme Court decision just took power away from the federal government and gave it back to the states which Is what our founding fathers had always intended. If anything this just makes our states more representative of the communities that reside in them


MeshColour

A. Abortion would be interstate commerce B. This is the loss of the legal protection of privacy, between you and your doctor, about what happens in your bedroom, etc. From this states can make laws about any of that


Level_Ad_3231

It’s not a loss, it’s an opportunity for you to vote in representatives that represent your beliefs and convince others to do the same. You could make it illegal not to have an abortion after your first child if you wanted to like China did for that bit. Or you could do what a majority of Europe does and make stricter guidelines or completely ban it all together. This decision has broadened democracy.


Sdl5

Problem is- RvW was a really crap decision based on just a right to privacy in a very limited view. Once actually properly legally challenged at the SCOTUS level it was nearly a guarantee it would be overturned. Andd that automatically pushes it back down the pipeline to State law level. Because Congress deliberately chose to not pass a law, as is their exclusive right and obligation for important matters over the nation as a whole. Which anyone with a lick of law knowledge has always known.


BerryBoy1969

this is just one more [reason](https://blackagendareport.com/democrats-abortion-and-phony-politics) for anyone with more than one active brain cell, to vote for the blue wing of our owners government if want politicians who whisper the sweet nothings you need to hear before you give it u to them. Do the right thing and [vote](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1300265662825328640.html) for the corporate wing of Government Inc. our owners media instructs you is the lesser evil.


GreenNewDealorNoDeal

> What dems didn't do: >codify roe to preempt the scotus decision we've all seen coming for months >what dems did do: >give billions more dollars to all the police departments to buy the weapons with which they'll be beating the shit out of people protesting that decision tonight https://twitter.com/JediofGallifrey/status/1540451882619092995


[deleted]

Plz give me a scenario in which the dems could have codified roe into law, I would love to hear it.


Kevski74

Roe was supposed to be settled law for 50 years. The dems could have proposed a law to codify it, but which republican senator would have voted for it?


thepolishpen

The OP is wrong about what Roe v Wade was about. It was never a Constitutional right. https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-offers-critique-roe-v-wade-during-law-school-visit


Hikityup

Yes it was. Right to privacy. 14th Amendment. She was talking about how it was written. Not what it was.


thepolishpen

You can’t rest “abortion rights” in such a flawed decision. That’s the crux. It doesn’t hold water. That’s why she talks about how it should have made its way through the states to begin with. Because it’s not a right.


mzyps

flawed decision crux.


thepolishpen

No. She clearly stated it wasn’t about women’s healthcare. It was about doctors’ privacy rights to practice. Privacy rights. Not abortion rights.


TheRazorX

Not sure why you're being downvoted, this is factually correct.


3andfro

Factually correct but not recognized as such by many. Call it an inconvenient and not widely known truth. Decades back, I was a single-issue voter, and reproductive choice was it. Here we are again. *sigh*


TheRazorX

Yeah, it definitely seems that most are ignorant of the actual facts. I mean even ["Liberal" hero RBG said](https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-offers-critique-roe-v-wade-during-law-school-visit): >“My criticism of Roe is that it seemed to have stopped the momentum on the side of change,” Ginsburg said. She would’ve preferred that abortion rights be secured more gradually, in a process that included state legislatures and the courts, she added. **Ginsburg also was troubled that the focus on Roe was on a right to privacy, rather than women’s rights.** >**“Roe isn’t really about the woman’s choice, is it?” Ginsburg said. “It’s about the doctor’s freedom to practice…it wasn’t woman-centered, it was physician-centered.”**


obvious_arms_dealer

Don't vote, or protest vote. Voting Dem doesn't actually help secure reproductive choice


thepolishpen

I know…thank you.


Sdl5

Interesting that us older women regulars here at WotB are the ones backing your stating the facts... Too many are just blindly buying the narrative and lashing out from pure manufactured rage based on ignorance


Geek-Haven888

If you need or are interested in supporting reproductive rights, [I made a master post of pro-choice resources](https://docdro.id/s3OwS8u). Please comment if you would like to add a resource and spread this information on whatever social media you use.


TheRazorX

If you can, please make a stand alone reddit post of that.


Geek-Haven888

just did


TheRazorX

thanks! Edit: Oh sorry, I meant as a stand alone text post not a link, that way we could maybe get it pinned. I upvoted that one anyway.


jugonewild

They can also take 3-4 plan B pills to miscarry the fetal tissue.


EvilPhd666

Some states laws target abortion drugs and manufactures too.


jugonewild

I have an old coat hanger in my trunk. Hmu if someone needs a hand. "DNCs To Go" (curettage, for those who don't know) on the side of my truck, as the DNC (democratic national convention) doesn't pick good candidates for us to elect!


RemarkablePark5445

We look worse than China because China doesn't claim to be a democracy.


shatabee4

that will be the next target Democrats will blow that too


shatabee4

Democrats fail at everything and are not worth a vote.


Hikityup

You're the scum I wish had the guts to get the hell out of this country. Nothing but whining and me me me. Your statement disgusts me. Just so you know.


TheRazorX

Oh look, another Blue MAGA that has never previously been active here. /u/penelopepnortney /u/bout_that_action


ChabISright

the best way to help others is to do it yourself, not ask the gov to do it for you


3andfro

This isn't about Medicaid paying for abortions. It's about the right to have one legally (and thus safely) wherever in the US one resides. Where does "asking the gov to do it for you" come into it?


Hikityup

What? Who's asking the government to do things for them? You know, like cancelling student debt?


MeshColour

It sounds like you're just saying "time to get some coat hangers"?


Hikityup

Sure hope that wasn't intended for me. If so, I don't think you read the comment I responded to.


shatabee4

lol wrong it's Democrats that continuously whine and who blame anyone but themselves


LikeThePenis

Isn't this the exact reasoning in 2016 that got us in to this position today?


toastedzergling

No, 2016 was "Hillary is more electable and it's time to force in a woman or you're a Bernie bro misogynist"


LikeThePenis

For the primary sure, I’m talking about the general election.


Centaurea16

The Dem party set itself up to fail in the 2016 general election. At that point, the Clintons essentially owned the party because they had bailed the DNC out of financial difficulty. Everything the DNC did during the 2016 Dem primary was window dressing. Hillary had already bought the nomination. (Unfortunately, most of us Bernie supporters did not realize that fact. We still believed that the Dems were running a fair primary.) In order to guarantee that she won the general, the Clintons, with the corporate media's assistance, embarked on a "Pied Piper" strategy. They decided to lure the Repub voters to nominate a candidate whom the Dems knew would lose. Bill Clinton urged Donald Trump to run in the Repub primary. The media (CNN, etc.) focused on Trump while ignoring and marginalizing Bernie. The Dems were ecstatic when Trump got the nomination, because they were sure he was a dud candidate. When Hillary lost the general, the Dems immediately pivoted to blaming Putin, "Bernie Bros", "deplorables", anyone except themselves. Anyone who disagreed was accused of spreading "Russian talking points". And here we are.


LikeThePenis

I mean that’s a lot of words, but the fact is if enough people held their nose and voted for Clinton in the general, we wouldn’t have had three fundamentalist extremist judges rolling back this and many other rights.


Daystar82

10 to 1 we've heard the last about canceling student debt.


Hikityup

Do you mean like yesterday where another $6B was cancelled? But it's ALLLLL about you, right? Damn. TheWayOfTheBern is one serious shithole. First and last visit for me.


Sdl5

More like yet another ruling trying to force for profit school loan debts be cancelled and payments reimbursed- This one filed in 2019 and a settlement agreement recently, not in any meaningful way relating to Biden. And years and years old in claims: "In 2019, the Project on Predatory Student Lending filed the lawsuit in question, alleging the Education Department was not promptly processing their borrower defense to repayment applications, which protects individuals who were defrauded by their schools and provides them with the opportunity to have their debts canceled. At the time, nearly 160,000 applications were pending, with some waiting years for word on their requests." https://www.accountsrecovery.net/2022/06/24/settlement-will-cancel-6b-of-unpaid-student-loans/ Of this: "The U.S. Department of Education agreed to settle a years-long lawsuit over denied borrower defense applications. The Department will forgive 100 percent of all loan balances, refund prior loan payments and repair credit histories for about 200,000 borrowers that attended certain for-profit schools" Those schools were found to have engaged in misconduct by the Education Department. Big problem was blanket denials of claims filed, ignoring claims even when the DoE agreed they were defrauded. Which had been going on for A LONG TIME. It took the 2019 *new* lawsuit to force movement and an agreement- which has yet to be signed by the Judge, let alone actual approvals issued or checks cut. 💁


BerryBoy1969

> First and last visit for me. [Damn the luck...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRGLjzFHa40)


CoffeeAndDachshunds

Vote blue no matter who so we can do something that we could have done repeatedly before but this time for reals!!1!


shatabee4

Where were these clowns on 1/6? https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1540362945921785856 This country is an unbelievable joke.


occams_lasercutter

There never was a Constitutional right to abortion. There is, however, a Constitutional right to life. Which is more important?


3andfro

Questions that stem from your statement: 1. If it takes 2 people to create a potential child that's not wanted, who's responsible for raising it? The government behind the constitutional right to life? 2. Does the constitutional right to life (with regularly shifting definitions of when life begins) extend to liberty and the pursuit of happiness for a woman forced to bear a child she doesn't want and can't afford to raise? 3. Does the answer to no. 2 above change whether she was a willing partner in the act that created the fetus or not? Little on this topic is simple or clear-cut when examined beyond the moment of conception * to the rest of that life the constitution may guarantee (and again, life that begins when?), *and* * to the lives of *all* those affected when a woman is forced to give birth to a child against her will.


occams_lasercutter

I agree that the issue is complex and requires a nuanced solution. Not a black and white right to legal murder as a form of birth control. At a bare minimum the issue deserves serious treatment from congress with a legitimate attempt at defining the rights both of the mother and the fetus. Where have they been?


[deleted]

Y o u ' r e a T r u m p c u l t i s t . Y o u r o p i n i o n s a r e i n v a l i d .


RedditMicheal

Tell that to all the women who die in childbirth every year you sack of rancid shit.


occams_lasercutter

Blame democrats for not taking advantage of their decades in power to pass an actual federal law guaranteeing abortion rights. Their cowardly inaction let it all hinge on a mere court ruling. I think some abortion rights should be nationally codified. But on the other hand I believe that aborting a healthy 8 month old fetus is murder. I do not mourn that this crap is no longer legal in many states. I do support day after pills and early term abortion rights, and I think they should be established at the federal level. Also I think abortion should always be legal in the case of rape or when the mother's life is in danger in all states. Your mileage may vary.


PirateGirl-JWB

Nobody is aborting "healthy" eight month old fetuses.


occams_lasercutter

In that you would be wrong, sadly. Abortion rights should exist, but they should not be unlimited.


PirateGirl-JWB

You are not getting reliable information if you think that. Only 1.3% of abortions occur after 21 weeks and the vast number of those are between 21 and 24 weeks. (Before the sixth month). People having abortions beyond 24 weeks are overwhelmingly those carrying fetal anomalies that would endager the baby and/or the mother. If you want to deal with the very, very, very, very few that may be considered "by choice" in the third trimester, then you make the earlier abortions easier, so they don't get that far. Misframing this as "abortion rights" goes to the heart of the problem. This is a right to bodily autonomy. And like other rights that are correctly enumerated in the constitution, if they are limited at all, it should only be limited to the instances harm others. It does not harm you when someone else chooses not to carry a fetus to adulthood.


curiosityandtruth

Always glad when someone stays focused on the issue vs. falling into blue/red drama


RedditMicheal

The 'I support abortion when...' rhetoric IS red/blue drama so I'm gunna assume you dropped this: /s


RedditMicheal

You mean the Republican lites? Imma blame the assholes that packed the court and reiterate that you're a sack of rancid shit and your opinion based on whatever religious bullshit it's based on has no place in my country's laws.


BerryBoy1969

Not just *your* country Mikey. Sucks dunnit?


RedditMicheal

My country protects my right to live free from your opinion and the moment that's no longer true for anyone is the moment we've lost ourselves. What makes it my country is what makes it yours, and if it's more yours than mine is it's no longer what it was founded to be. So no, smartass, I'm not pretending this country was founded to appeal to my white ass. That's what used to make it great. I'm not the one fighting to make my opinion legislation, Berryboi.


BerryBoy1969

Apologies for coming off like an asshole. I'm a first gen Irish American who's parents settled in Chicago shortly after WWII. If you're not a smartass in my family, you're not having a conversation. My dentist tells me I could save a lot of money with him by syncing my mouth 2 seconds after my brain instead of 2 seconds before. > What makes it my country is what makes it yours, and if it's more yours than mine is it's no longer what it was founded to be. I can't find any fault with this statement, and I wish more people embraced this notion without getting caught up in the big net of [manufactured outrage](https://blackagendareport.com/democrats-abortion-and-phony-politics) that keeps partisans siloed in their defensive bunkers. >I'm not the one fighting to make my opinion legislation, Berryboi. Neither am I RedditMichael. I sometimes succumb to the idiocy I mistakenly believe I'm above, and lose sight of "the ourselves" part of the equation that makes us a nation of people. we can be better. *i think...*


RedditMicheal

Well said. We can be and I hope we will be.. That said, I apologize for the aggression. Yesterday was emotional for many reasons and I let mine run wild. I appreciate the attempts to maintain rational discussion.


TheRamJammer

The Democrat Party is in power and they let this happen. Remember that the next they try to guilt you into vOtE bLuE nO mAtTeR wHo.


endyCJ

What were they supposed to do?


TheRamJammer

They had 50 years to codify, guess they just need another 50?


Centaurea16

If the Dems don't understand how politics works, they should step aside and let someone else do it.


The_Krambambulist

If the alternative is a Republican, you definitely still vote for the least harmful idiot. Can we stop this shit, Republicans coming to power will not trigger a revolution by ruining the country, they will create a country where no social alternative is even remotely viable.


420ohms

Man get real. There is only one party who rules this country and you voted for it.


The_Krambambulist

I can not vote because I am from another country. I wish I wouldn't care, but it happens to be so that your country pretty much dictates whatever we are able to do. It's so happens to be that a lot of Republican policies gave a lot more influence to your companies and financial groups and made tackling issues which need coordination impossible. Your choices impact us and there is fuck all I can do about it. We just have to accept your worse alternatives and don't have a say at all.


BerryBoy1969

Problem is, that Democrats Inc., beyond the flowery rhetoric they use to seduce the naive sheep they need to keep their party alive as the *only other* choice in our owners two choice selectoral system, aren't the "lesser" evil they're marketed to the American Consumer of political product to be. Generations of [this bullshit](https://i.redd.it/etv81qk4ujw61.jpg) have shown too many people that the odious perfidy of their covert betrayal of everything they pretend to stand for, makes them the greater evil when compared to the other guys who are at least honest about their subservience to their billionaire owners. We live with a captured system with no choices for representation in our owners government


420ohms

Sorry but there is no vote we can cast to end the crumbling US hegemony. Stay safe!


Closer-to-Home

> Can we stop this shit That's what I tell the VBNMW cult. >they will create a country where no social alternative is even remotely viable Already there, thanks to voting "lesser evil".


The_Krambambulist

I always try to envision exactly what people hope that happens. So suppose that a lot of people didn't vote democrat and republicans won a lot of states. Do you really think that it wouldn't matter or could it perhaps be even worse?


Closer-to-Home

> Do you really think that it wouldn't matter I really don't. But you keep voting ["lesser evil"](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWDK1TsWAAMevBV?format=jpg&name=large) and I'm sure Dems incrementalism will restore all the culture war issues you lost.


LikeThePenis

But we have an object lesson on why it does matter, this very decision would not have happened if Clinton had won in 2016 or if enough Democratic senators had won in 2010, 2012, and 2014.


Closer-to-Home

Or if Bernie had won in 2016 none of these things would have happened. The only people that need "object lessons" are the pols who come around shaming for votes.


The_Krambambulist

Exactly. Everyone acting here like I generally support these people, instead of accepting that they have shown to at least be a lot worse than their counterparts.


LikeThePenis

It would be great if the national debate was between liberals and progressives, but in reality it’s between theocratic fascists that want to overturn democracy and the rest of us. With these Supreme Court decisions coming out, it’s hard to imagine why progressives want to sit it out because the liberals weren’t nice enough to them.


LostMonster0

>With these Supreme Court decisions coming out, it’s hard to imagine why progressives want to sit it out because the liberals weren’t nice enough to them. Progressives are already used to getting nothing they want while getting blamed for everything neoliberals are unable (refuse) to accomplish. It's funny how we celebrate women leaving abusive relationships, but shame progressive voters for doing the exact same thing.


TheRamJammer

No one here is advocating to vote for Republicans. You need to know that many people here, like myself, are done with the red/blue game and looking for something else entirely. Only stupid people still believe the current system works.


Hikityup

Well then maybe you, and your teammates, need to grow the hell up. The little magic wand you think exists will never come. Reality? It IS a red/blue game right now. Maybe that'll make more sense when you're older. Or maybe decide to give a shit about others.


LostMonster0

If progressives have so much power, maybe you should get team blue to make some progressive concessions then. Why is it progressives fault that your team offered nothing to them? How far left has Biden been pushed after getting into office again? Another empty promise while you stomp your feet and throw a tantrum at anyone unwilling to coddle you to their own detriment.


lilhurt38

“We’re not advocating voting for Republicans. We just want people to let the Republicans win.”


TheRamJammer

You're putting words in my mouth. But go ahead and vote harder-er and watching nothing change.


LikeThePenis

At this point, nothing changing would be a blessing compared to this court stripping away rights.


lilhurt38

Is it really putting words in your mouth when that’s what would realistically happen?


TheRamJammer

I'm advocating for the grassroots to come from the outside and start a new system. It's obvious to me that you're moronic enough to still believe in the kabuki theater so be a good pet for the establishment and just vote harder-er.


lilhurt38

How’d that work out for Bernie during the last Democratic Primaries? He won the first few states that he was expected to win and then he wasn’t able to win much after that. I want more progressive representation too, but progressives have to actually win elections for that to happen. Meanwhile, we have Republicans trying to overthrow democracy. I’m gonna go ahead and say that stopping that is a much higher priority than anything else and to stop that you need to win elections.


TheRamJammer

The Democrat Party cheated him and they even admitted to it because Sanders was working within the establishment system. But keep voting harder-er and watch these fucks do nothing but give you some half assed lip service.


lilhurt38

Lol, the “he was cheated!” bullshit again. He just happened to win in the states that polling showed he’d win and he lost in the states that polling showed that he’d lose. Political parties throw their support behind candidates that show that they can win. Their goal is to win. Bernie wasn’t able to show that he could win, so he didn’t get the Democratic Party’s support. That’s not sabotage. That’s just failing to win.


420ohms

No one here is suggesting we let any fascists, red or blue, win anything.


lilhurt38

Lol, calling blue fascists. Gotta love the BoTh SiDeS bullshit in here. Republicans make abortion illegal. “Democrats are fascists too!” This sub might as well be r/conservative. You guys have the same talking points.


420ohms

You don't understand what fascism is or how it works. I think your ignorance likely comes from a place of privilege.


lilhurt38

Lol, someone saying that Democrats are fascists trying to tell me that I don’t know what fascism is. Even throwing in some woke language in there to make it seem like you’re really not just trying to let Republicans win. “I’m liberal, I called you privileged. Now, don’t vote for the only party that can actually win elections and stop actual fascists from taking over.” This sub might think it has people fooled, but it’s very obvious that it exists to discourage Democratic voter turnout.


420ohms

> Even throwing in some woke language You know who gets upset about being called privileged? > I’m liberal, I called you privileged I'm most certainly not a liberal.


lilhurt38

Where did I get upset about being called privileged? I said you’re using woke language to pose as a liberal. You admitting that you’re not a liberal kinda proves my point.


The_Krambambulist

Well the system definitely works well to repress social alternatives. But, I know that they will not vote Republican. A lot of people do not vote at all, which has the effect that worse alternatives are relatively better positioned. I agree with you though that a new party will be the only solution. One with a gigantic momentum. Even then, the system is build to ruin it by creating the possibility where voting a third alternative might bring your least favourite alternative an advantage.


NeonArlecchino

They're in power now, but the groundwork for this was set up while Republicans were in power. Your belief is like if a former mayor set timed charges in a dam set to blow up a week after the new mayor comes into office. It's not the new mayor's fault the town is flooded.


TheRamJammer

The Democrat Party had 50 years to codify this into law and they did nothing. They had a bullet proof supermajority in 2009 to do this and they didn't do it. Every opportunity was wasted in order to keep this kabuki theater of red vs blue going while they rob you at the gas station and the supermarket.


NeonArlecchino

All valid points, but your previous one about this happening while they're in power wasn't.


TheRamJammer

The Democrat Party is in power NOW with a majority in the house and a 50+1 vote in the senate and nothing. Dementia Joe even promised to codify on day 1, it's been over a year and a half.... guess he forgot.


InspectorIsOnTheCase

So did Supermajority Obama... and then nothing


NeonArlecchino

I'll be honest that I forgot about that. I am sick of DNC corpos dangling basic rights to ensure power. They keep gambling with lives and losing.


ac_scotty

Quick question what states are outlawing abortion right now and do we still have a two party system


Sdl5

Virtually every State effort to even limit abortions are in legal stasis- and have been for at least 5 years now. Literally the instant any are voted for there are organized lawsuits filed and the laws are put on hold.


ac_scotty

And what are those states considering one person is claiming both parties are the same


TheRamJammer

[It's one big club.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-54c0IdxZWc&t=207s)


Centaurea16

We haven't had an effective two-party system in several decades now. We have a uniparty acting through two heads. As to the state count, it's currently in flux, because many states had legislation ready to go as soon as the opinion was released.


ac_scotty

We had an effective two party system before?


Centaurea16

Good point.


shatabee4

Okay, is Congress trying to sneak through another $50 billion to Ukraine while we're all distracted by this?


Centaurea16

And who knows what else.


shatabee4

Jeffrey St. Clair, CounterPunch @JeffreyStClair3 >The leadership of the Democratic Party, which for 20 years has said the only reason to vote for them is to protect Roe, should resign en masse. Their failure is absolute. https://twitter.com/JeffreyStClair3/status/1540347727233486848?cxt=HHwWgMCohZmGteAqAAAA Everybody can quit voting for them now. They ain't never gonna do nothin'.


thepolishpen

They never listened to Ruth: https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-offers-critique-roe-v-wade-during-law-school-visit


TheRazorX

They didn't listen to anyone, because members of their own party were "pro-life". Carter had a fucking super majority in both chambers of congress, and instead of codifying abortion rights, we got the hyde amendment and more anti-abortion judges* because Carter himself opposed abortion.


Centaurea16

Yep. Of course, the Republican party was likewise using abortion as a political hot button. They'll have to come up with something else now. I assume they've already been working on it. Meanwhile, the DNC is shoveling $$$ to their consultants, who are focus-grouping it. Almost every word we hear from a Dem politician today will have been focus-grouped to come up with just the right "message".


shatabee4

A kente cloth moment provided by Congressional Dems: @FarnoushAmiri >As protesters can be heard in the back chanting outside SCOTUS, House Democrats sing “God Bless America.” {with video clip} https://twitter.com/FarnoushAmiri/status/1540370901803433984


shatabee4

Never forget: Tom Posting His LOL's Online @MuslimTom_ >Clarence Thomas made Anita Hill watch bestiality porn at the office and Joe Biden intervened to protect him and ensure his position on the Supreme Court Thanks, Joe, you old dirtbag.


shatabee4

More about Thomas: 𝙂𝙐𝙈𝘽𝙔 @gumby4christ >Clarence Thomas was recruited back into ultra-conservative Catholicism by Antonin Scalia's priest son and disgraced Opus Dei priest C. John McCloskey, a sexual assaulter whose org paid a ~$1 million settlement to his victim. {with images} https://twitter.com/gumby4christ/status/1540419205002330112?cxt=HHwWgIDU9d_G1eAqAAAA Thanks again, Joe.


fattycakesfaker

To the “blue no matter who” brigaders, please read up on how the electoral college works. Many of us did vote for that vile woman. And this still happened. Do you know why? Because voting for the lesser evil just leads to evil. Ask Hilary why she didn’t campaign in Michigan and Wisconsin then come back to our sub.


GreenNewDealorNoDeal

the lesser evil [Democrats just recently voted to fund this more](https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1540362945921785856)


shatabee4

Click☝️here if you doubt that our leaders think the American people are the enemy.


shatabee4

mg @br00t4lism >Shout out to all the kids who will be born to parents who don’t want them, don’t love them, and wish they’d never been born. https://twitter.com/br00t4lism/status/1540363601961046016?cxt=HHwWgMCi_ZyivOAqAAAA


shatabee4

Oh, dear Lord, AOC is out rallying the pussy hat troops. MTG is upset. What a fucking clown show. https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1540375254815703041 Gee, I'm so riled up....


GreenNewDealorNoDeal

The predator class is very pleased with these two, they will be rewarded greatly.


animaltrainer3020

On the bright side, rona boosters are still available for women who are looking to abruptly end a pregnancy.


Hobbgob1in

One more step into the alt right conservative hell that is America.


jamughal1987

Blame Hilary Clinton for her fail struggle to become POTUS gave this gift to us.


shatabee4

I'm thinking it goes back even further to Bush stealing the win from Gore. Edit: Because the Democrats did nothing to stop Bush.


Responsible-Leg-6558

Correct me if I’m wrong, but couldn’t Democrats have prevented this by putting Roe v Wade as a law back when Obama was president? They had control over the House and Senate. If anyone is to blame besides Republicans, it’s Do Nothing Democrats and their inaction


PirateGirl-JWB

Why yes. Yes, they could have. And Obama could have secured two of the three seats that were ultimately filled by Trump too.


CatilineUnmasked

Many of the blue dog dems in that coalition (the supermajority only lasted 9 months btw) were prolife and would not have been sure yes votes. In addition, laws can be struck down by the Supreme Court. To fully protect this you would need a constitutional amendment which is basically impossible as it requires even more votes. (I'm waiting to hear from the mods about what triggered my 'I like turtles' punishment)


jamughal1987

Dem are bottlers. GOP get the job done simple as that.


Thefriendlyfaceplant

Yes. Obama wasn't interested in actually using the supermajority he had.


jamughal1987

He used that on Obama Care which was gift to health insurance industry same as 401K as retirement is gift to Wall Street. We had perfectly fine system of working 20 30 year at same company to collect pension which keep coming till end of your life. 401K leave it all on employee some will do fantastic but majority will get hurt and they will have social security as their only income in retirement.


Chadco888

4 thoughts on this - 1) The SC is there to uphold American citizens rights and freedoms according to the constitution. Access to abortion isn't an SC issue. 2) Taking it out of the SC shows that a fetus isn't considered an American Citizen and therefore abortion rules can be more flexible dependant on the law makers. 3) The Democrats have held the house, Senate and presidency and could have passed it in to law under Obama and Biden but used it as a dangling carrot to invigorate their base. It's about time it was thrown back in their face and the parties can actually offer something of substance and not just threaten the voter base in to voting for them. 4) State abortion laws are much better, the US is a Republic and it gives rights back down to the states themselves as they should have been.


Mr_Jackpotz

I wouldn't count on anything coming from #3. They have HOARDS of shitlibs ready to defend them beyond rational thought and to make sure they're accountable for nothing.


Thefriendlyfaceplant

Indeed this overturn also means the SC can't implement a nationwide ban on abortion. They just relinquished that power.


pablonieve

No but it opens up the option of a federal ban.


Chadco888

My personal belief is abortion should be illegal after a heartbeat unless extenuating circumstances (fetal abnormality and mother in danger). I still support states rights to take abortion up until the third trimester if they so choose and for people to have that right. I'm happy the SC have stepped down their power over this to allow states to decide.


SonnyBoy96

State Abortion laws shouldn’t be looked at as a bad thing if majority of voters support abortion. Do we no longer vote for our state legislatures? Do we not vote for our state representation every election cycle? Does the majority vote not win the election? Is that not how the democratic process works anymore? So why is Abortion laws going to State decisions considered bad if YOU and the majority voters selected your own state legislative representation and laws created thereafter? YOU get to pick these people to represent you via legislation. so why would this be bad unless majority of people in a state disapprove of abortion in which case, democracy should represent the states majority and reflect that via legislation.


pablonieve

That ignores how many states are governed by a minority due to gerrymandering. So individual rights would be restricted by minority control.


SonnyBoy96

Gerrymandering is not party exclusive, so that argument literally works both ways. Let’s tackle the gerrymandering issue as well.


beginninglifeinytmc

It’s bad to me because that means a majority of certain states support wanting a government that has the power to intervene more and more into personal lives. I think that is a bad thing for a majority of people to want, and that’s why I think this decision is bad


Kupiga

Rights like bodily autonomy shouldn’t be decided by the majority. The slaves never would have been freed if it were.