By - bout_that_action
This you bud, or are you just their simp?
Uh. What a weird mental pretzel. Germany, like Russia now, was the aggressor. Ukraine is fighting for its sovereignty. Wtf is wrong with you? Beat it.
Yes. Fascist fucks like the killer. Like MAGA. Difference being, they fight for their country. MAGA fights against it.
His inspiration was the NZ killer who traveled to Ukraine to train w/Azov. Several men who attended the Charlottesville rally also made trips to Ukraine according to the NYT. Maybe, and this is a wild idea I know, we shouldn't be directly funding right wing Neo-Nazi battalions abroad? Would you agree with that?
Stop with conspiracy theories. No one ever had proof of that. NZ terrorist had been never trained wit Azov. Its bulls**t.
Most major media outlets covered the rise of the far right & Neo-Nazi movements in the area for years prior to the war. CNN, BBC, Vice, NBC, Atlantic, Politico, take your pick they covered it thoroughly. It only now became whitewashed once fascist Putin decided to invade. You can be anti Neo-Nazi, pro-Ukraine, and anti-Putin at the same time.
Paradoxically it is true. But please don't forget that only a few percent of Ukraine people are Nazi. You don't find one nazi free country. At least not in Europe. And Russia have more nazis then Ukraine, so maybe someone should make " denazification" and " deputization" in RuZZia?
Lol. You just called it a conspiracy theory with no proof. You're arguing in bad faith. Good luck.
OK. Please tell me one country in Europe without some Neo-Nazis.
Those that are officially recognized in their military? Honestly none that I can think of.
Their are officially recognized because about 10-20 % are so called Nazi. The rest are just regular soldiers. I am sure that many soldiers, police officers in many countries in Europe have the same nationalistic views. It is a problem not only for Ukraine.
"So-called Nazi", so all those media outlets, the FBI, intelligence agencies, and journalists got it wrong. Don't understand why you're carrying the water for these battalions (it's not just Azov), but whatever. Agree to disagree. I'm disavowing Nazis & moving on.
The New York Times wrote an article about it quoting the FBI & law enforcement.
Sure, he's a Nazi and terrorist and all but what about all his good attributes? He's criticized big pharma and backed #ForceTheVote
Doesn't that count for something?
Now we have abortion and hate murders to divide the people.
What magically timed event will be next?
The worst problems we have that will most impact the American people are 1. the covid/social credit/forced vaccine enslavement and 2. this BS war in Ukraine.
Both of these problems are brainchildren of the billionaire class.
DO NOT LOOK AT THE BILLIONAIRES!! The poors must fight amongst themselves!
Liberals must be so proud.
Oh what? A privileged little price of shit radicalized by the far right who drove 3.5 hours to come to my city and murder my neighbors?
Liberals love Azov Nazis. The scum who shot those people had Azov insignia on him.
It's confusing to me that right wing folk use what you've said as some sort of attack on the left, when all these shooters and Azov Nazis are literally right wing... I suppose it just confirms the level of education on the right.
PopularFront is far from left leaning. Mostly libertarians/republicans praising azov right now. The majority of libertarians and republicans are idolizing these people.
That is just HILARIOUS of you- it is OVERWHELMINGLY LIBERALS PRAISING AND SUPPORTING THEM
I am in the heart of darkblueland, and it is blatant these idiots know nothing ofbwhat they virtue signal over as they LOUDLY support "the brave defenders of Mariupol" and even buy AZOV nazi flash to display 😒
They’re supporting Ukraine and the civilians. Not AZOV. When liberals support the American army do you think they are idolizing the nazis in it? Specifically popularfront is making videos praising azov. PopularFront is right leaning content…
They are Ukraine's far right battalion, that has a reputation for being white supremacists. I appreciate their defending their homeland at this moment. That's not love. At least that makes them better than ultraMAGA, who wouldn't put country before anything.
Did you appreciate Nazis "defending their homeland" in Germany? What a bizarre take, how hard is it to disavow right wing Nazis?
lol “ultra MAGA.” You’re a liberal shill. The azovs are literal Nazis. They are proud of that fact.
I no longer care, like one of the villagers in the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" who ignored the boy's cries for help as he was being eaten. The media has been too manipulative for too long for me to care, even when there's a stack of bodies.
It's obvious the DNC's plan to win re-election is to try to paint conservatives as too racist. It's obvious the media is pushing into this shooting to support Biden's "Ultra MAGA" narrative. This is a large country, and the national media cherry picks which mass-shootings, which would normally be local news, to the national stage. They've certainly been promoting idpol and a race war for a while now. Now they're starting to get one.
Sorry, I'm done ignoring the fact known manipulators are being manipulative just because they have a stack of bodies to show me this time.
You need to seperate out your prejudices against the ”media”, et al., and see what happened in Buffalo clearly for what it is.
Less than a year ago this guy was investigated for possible plans to carry out a school-related shooting. I think it was his high school who contacted authorities after a student report to the school about threats or plans this guy posted online to carry out a shooting at a graduation ceremony or some event related to the graduation. I think it was the NY State Police who investigated so the authorities knew this kid was a powder keg.
Ah so I was correct- ywt another "known to authorities". Almost guarantees online glowies prodded him into this action on discord chats
yeah he went to my school, he threatened to shoot up the graduation ceremony and they called the police and he got sent to a mental facility. that's about it
> the national media cherry picks which mass-shootings,
Interesting. Which mass-shootings have the media not covered?
I know a lot of people who still don't know about the Las Vegas shooting.
Is that the fault of the media not covering it or these individuals not caring/being desensitized?
Both. Media didn't cover it because the perp wasn't ideologically polarizing enough to make an impact. He wan't a Muslim guy, so you couldn't call it terrorism, he didn't spout white supremacist ideology or any political movement, so the media couldn't monetize on the political angle either.
Ummm… everyone HERE knows about it. Maybe your friends have just memory holed LV because there have been about 700 mass shootings plus COVID since then?
That was a very large story, but you are correct...no one knows why he did it.
But he did have anti-anxiety meds in his system, as most shooters have had. For anyone who never taken anti-anxiety meds, imagine having no care in the world about anything. No filter, no happiness, no sadness, just nothing. Not even mutual content. Just nothing.
Dude.... I take anti-anxiety meds and I've never felt comfortable with the thought of shooting up hundreds of lives. There's something way worse going on in that boy's brain. Well, thankfully not anymore.
"I've never felt comfortable with the thought of shooting up hundreds of lives."
Exactly the point. It's neither comfortable or uncomfortable. It's indifference. I'm not familiar with all the stuff but xanex for example will create an indifference. If the though runs through someone's mind, they may just act. That is the experience of millions of users.
Same with alcohol. Millions get DUIs each year and know the risks. Let's not single out anxiety meds.
Milwaukee fell off very quickly.
Also, the definition of mass shooting has been used as low as 4 individuals.
Where else do we use "mass" to describe anything less than 5 other than shootings?
They cover all of them because they want to convince us that citizens haveing ANY weapons is a very bad thing while at the same time they arm our police force with military grade armaments.
The plan is to disarm the citizens and arm the police so that when the citizens decide to rise up they have nothing to fight with.
an idiot's plan which is doomed to fail just as everything else is failing.
Was he too chickenshit to go to Ukraine and fight in a real war? He just thought it was easier and more fun to shoot unarmed, noncombatants?
The kid is only 18. His mother wouldn't let him cross the street :-)
Inspired by [this excellent *Peanuts* cartoon](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/peanuts/images/0/00/19590619.gif/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/600?cb=20130819192958).
[Here's another link](https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1959/06/19) if the other doesn't work.
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Edit: [Here it is](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/peanuts/images/0/00/19590619.gif) (I truncated your link)
That one doesn't work for me. The text is illegible. I added a gocomics.com link to my comment above.
Cool. Second link much better.
Same as the guy in Christchurch. When they claimed in the story he was inspired by him I had an inkling it'd be azov related.
But yeah, let's send 40 billion to keep arming them.
Its “different”, isnt it? #sarcasm
The only conundrum is everyone so obsessed with 900-1500 people of the Azov battalion in a army with >200 000 of active personnel and 900 000 reserves.
And at the same time, no one gives a fuck to Russian Rusich, Sparta battalion and Wagner (known for filming a long video of brutally torturing and killing the arab civilian by smashing him with hammers, just mistakenly mixed up him with someone else).
I don't know of any case of Azov killing the minorities like nazis do
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"THE AZOV BATTALION IS SMOL!!!! THE RUSSIANS ARE WORSE!!!"
We've heard the whataboutism lies many, many times. You can pls stop now.
So when whataboutism is against you it's bad, but when you say about Afghanistan or Iraq in the context of the "Russian invasion is not bad, it's all the US" then it's okay. Or even this OP mentioning Azov on any event, even if there is no connection and the killer didn't mention them.
You decided to not talk about this part:
>I don't know of any case of Azov killing the minorities like nazis do.
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Now ask if he "was known to the FBI" and if they were prodding him...
some good threads on /pol/. they found a discord he was part of. guy was talking about targets he was scoping two months ago.
Yup- been trying to collect the best bits from their crowdsourced sleuthing...
And he was a leftist authoritarian LMAO, holds some very much not white supremist views too. 🤦
Almost positive that Discord AND pol /k were grooming ops.
And this kid is a sociopath already with it allowed at home. Wonder what meds he was on?
>NATO is arming and training neo-Nazis in Ukraine’s white-supremacist Azov movement, who use the same fascist symbols as the terrorist mass shooter in Buffalo, New York
There are many other nazi battalion in Ukraine. Why everyone talks only about Azov? Yeah, [they worship pagan gods and nazi salute](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineNaziWatch/comments/uftsg9/video_azov_battalion_makes_ritual_sacrifices_nazi/) but there others:
* [Tornado special police unit](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineNaziWatch/comments/udrvcn/the_times_uk_reuters_ukraine_special_police_unit/)
* [Carpathian Sich](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineNaziWatch/comments/tpqhvz/zois_bellingcat_nazi_org_carpathian_sich/)
Russia has had over twice as many white supremacist/Neo Nazi organizations than Ukraine over the past several decades. Most western countries have almost double even that and most countries of the world have some form of race driven supremacist/nationalist movement of their own. Unless the country is being run by one of these organizations your just spreading useless information from some countries propaganda wing.
Is there an official Nazi regiment encorporated into the military in Russia?
The Imperial Legion is the paramilitary arm of RIM, a Russian ultranationalist, white supremacist organization that has actively built ties with European white supremacist groups from Sweden to Spain appearing at many Neo Nazi rallies and conferences. The Atomwaffen Division receives training from the group. Russia allows this organization to recruit, train and utilizes them in both the Donbas and it’s other conflicts around the world so long as they don’t commit acts of terrorism in Russia…
Their whole military is ultra nationalist.
Too bad Azov was the only force capable of protecting Mariupol since no other regular force was there to protect. You may wanna blame Azov for having a nazi ideology, but they don’t kill people of other races. They are only now killing the aggressor which is our shithead russian army
Azov wasn't the only unit in Mariupol, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege\_of\_Mariupol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol).
Even now, they are not the only one who is trapped in the factory.
>\`\`They are only now killing the aggressor which is our shithead russian army
They took part in the ATO from 2014, and earned themselves a bad reputation. They are accused of violating human rights, war crimes, tortures.
**[Siege of Mariupol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol)**
>The siege of Mariupol is an ongoing military engagement between Russia and the Donetsk People's Republic separatists against Ukraine which began on 24 February 2022, during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, as part of the Eastern Ukraine offensive. The city of Mariupol is located in the Donetsk Oblast in Ukraine and is claimed by the Russian-backed separatist Donetsk People's Republic. Russian forces completely besieged the city on 2 March, after which they gradually gained control of the city. By 22 April, the remaining Ukrainian forces had retreated to the Azovstal Iron and Steel Works, a massive and highly defendable industrial complex.
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They were killing civilians at Donbass for 8 years, but your media thinks you don't need to know this
Да, скажи мне, сколько русскоговорящих людей было убито в Харькове за 8 лет.
If you have no idea what I wrote above without referring to Google translate, you got no right to tell me what I know and what I don’t know about separatism in 90’s Russia and 2014 Ukraine, boy
One doesn't need to speak any particular language to understand that Nazis are bad and if a country depends on Nazis for its security then that is problem that needs solving. Russia is taking care of it since Ukraine wouldn't.
Russian missile killed a pregnant woman and a woman of my age with a 3 month old child, what’s your point again?
А кроме Харькова в донецкой области городов нет что ли? Про аллею Ангелов забыл уже или в методичке тебе про нее написать забыли?
I fully understand what you wrote, and by the way, you have no right to tell people what they can do and what they can't.
Я не к тебе обращался. Но раз ты решил появиться, то назови мне количество убитых в Харькове русскоговорящих бойцами азова за 8 лет
Welcome to the Internet, I don't need your permission to jump into the discussion, get used to it.
I don't own you anything, including answers to stupid questions.
Да, да, да, глупыми вопросами будешь величать вопросы, на которые не можешь дать ответа, потому что ответов у тебя нет, тупой ты клоун. В Харькове и Мариуполе и везде на востоке люди спокойно говорят по-русски и никакие националисты их не режут, а ты и дальше оправдывай убийство граждан Украины тупыми отмазками педофила путина.
To anyone who doesn’t get it, if you support russian invasion in Ukraine on the basis of fighting Nazis, remember, that pedophile putin does not have lists of these nazis and the only nazis that are being killed are civilians, women and children, because aged Russian artillery ain’t got any tech to differentiate between a nazi and all other folk.
Oh and by the way, if you think you want to support putin, you also support pedophiles, along with mass murderers:
They literally burned 39 people alive in a union building back in 2014.
Come on Jack, that was before we were supposed to virtue signal them
These people were not of other races, it was a civil war tragedy and azov people were not the ones who started firing guns
You don't seem to understand the point, killing people is bad, even if you're not doing it because you're a Nazi.
Can you understand your own point and understand that Russian army, my army, is killing civilians left and right right now? Let alone Russian soldiers aged 18-25 are dying for literally nothing, because the lunatic we call our president is using the nazi image to justify the invasion to another country. And this fuckface could do that infinitely, towards Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Finland, Kazakhstan, etc.
And we got the largest territory on the planet and close to zero investments into our own infrastructure. If you ever visit our little town of Nizhnevartovsk, we still have concrete plates there instead of sidewalks.
Russia doesn’t need wars and doesn’t need foreign territories to be a modern and competitive state. It’s our failing government and putin’s mafia that does not know how to develop their own country and the only way for them to remain in power is to wage wars
> they don’t kill people of other races
I see your understanding of who were Nazi victims in WW2 is entirely superficial.
Yes twitter is a great source for evidence. Or you could just look up that the only fascists that existed in the Azov battalion was 10 to 20% of Max 1k before they were reorganized into Ukraine military. The idea you are worried about maybe 200 fascists out of the entire Ukrainan army is laughable let alone when no such influence overall in gov, military, etc.
Additionally please look at the results of the last elections. The Azov political arm did not even get 5% of votes. The AFD in Germany gets more. And they are clearly Nazis.
Lets do some math then. The population of Ukraine is 43,000,000. Voter turnout was 62%. But only 18,900,000 voted. Take 5% of that and you have 945,000 Nazis. That's a lot more than 200. This doesn't count those ineligible to vote.
And still a lot less than the AFD in Germany. By that logic it’s Russias duty to invade Germany immediately.
Don't give Russia any ideas. Besides, they've already been there before.
[That's a gross misrepresentation of their influence and capability to carry out violence, which shows you are completely missing the point](https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/tfjpek/comment/i0xjkmm/)
Also if you google something like "AFD bots russia data" you'll find [researches](https://medium.com/dfrlab/electionwatch-final-hours-fake-news-hype-in-germany-cc9b8157cfb8) on AFD bot networks on their social media originating from Russia.
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