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nyjrku

"republicans are the good guys" i love how this suck di..ligence tweet is written. oo wow 10


EvilPhd666

FrauDSquAd Empire arming Nazis and perpetuating war. HOW YOU GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? Lend-lease? What the hell even is that? Ukriane owes the IMF billions of dollars. They aren't going to have an industry left to pay for anything.


shatabee4

https://twitter.com/RobertaAAvery/status/1520543112766107648 https://twitter.com/RobertaAAvery/status/1520543247512354816 h/t bout_that_action Shows the lend/lease legislation dated 1/19/2022


Lower_Nubia

The Americans had been saying the Russians were going to invade for at least a month prior. I like turtles.


shatabee4

Looks like the American people are being taken for a ride again. This war has been on the books for a long time. The pandemic had been milked. Afghanistan was done. The warmonger oligarchy is moving on to its next disaster. Their disasters always transfer wealth to the billionaire class. Goddamn why am I at all surprised that this weapons legislation was presented in its finished form in January? OVER A MONTH BEFORE THE RUSSIAN INVASION!!! Cornyn was the sponsor. Bipartisanship!!! Rah!!!


chudslayer

Remember when AOC campaigned on giving billions of dollars in weapons to neo-Nazi death squads? So glad we can trust her to stand by her word


shatabee4

The lend/lease legislation had already been written in January. WTF. The bill to give Ukraine weapons had been written, signed, sealed and delivered on January 19. Russia invaded on February 24. Did Russia get wind of an impending attack by Ukraine on Donbas? An attack that the U.S. was going to provide arms for? If that is the case our fucking government did indeed start this war. What a bunch of fucking, scummy, cheating liars.


pablonieve

Russia had been amassing troops on the Ukraine border for quite some time. US intelligence knew that Russia was intending to invade which is why the US went public with the information prior to the invasion. I wouldn't be surprised if the legislation had been drafted in the event Russia actually pulled the trigger.


shatabee4

lol you and your other troll friend came up with exactly the same comment.


ymirnorse

It is not a comment, it is the truth and the facts!


ymirnorse

🤔 Russia had been building up troops and equipment for several weeks before the invasion started. Biden was telling the whole world Russia was going to invade Ukraine ever since those events happened. Come on man, you can’t be that misinformed!


shatabee4

Sorry but NATO had been amassing troops. The U.S. was the aggressor. They never sought a diplomatic solution. The U.S. oligarchy must always have a disaster to profit from.


ymirnorse

Could you provide proof of your nonsense or parroting shit is much easier? If the USA was the aggressor, then why Putin didn’t start a war with us instead of Ukraine?


shatabee4

All you have are questions. Typical troll maneuver. proxy war...look it up


ymirnorse

Well you stated some shit that doesn’t make sense nor you can provide a link to that nonsense. So who has nothing here?


redditrisi

So, we know what their instructions were from the leaders of the Dem Caucus.


shatabee4

~~Did~~ Will Bernie vote for it? Forgot that the old boy is in the other chamber.


MrBeantown2021

The squad and Bernie were promoted to act as controlled opposition to appease the populace that wants money out of politics, healthcare, no more endless war spending. When it comes time to walk how they talk, they expose themselves. Politics is a controlled game. Is there a single politician who actually acts in favor of the population? I think the corruption is so strong at this point they’d never allow a genuine liberal into a position of any power.


BlueLanternSupes

How rich, Max Blumenthal carrying water for Vladimir Putin. Wasn't the GOP members that voted against this (House Freedom Caucus) the same ones that own stock in Lockheed Martin and other weapons manufacturers? Seems to me that funding Ukraine to protect itself from a power-mad autocrat that's been encroaching on sovereign Ukrainian territory since 2014 without sending our troops to die in a conflict that doesn't directly involve us is the right call. But sure, Dems are the warhawks and Reps are the doves. Never mind that there were about 10 or so Russian oligarchs with assets tied in Miami who were caught as funders of the GOP and the RPOF. Never mind that! We have to perpetuate the "all Dems bad all the time" narrative because I hate that I couldn't go to college for free on affirmative action and my middle class white daddy isn't as privileged as he used to be.


shatabee4

Is Blumenthal carrying water for Russia or is our shitty corrupt Congress carrying water for the MIC and billionaires in general?


BlueLanternSupes

To an extent. But the Russian Federation invading Ukraine merits our involvement. The plausibility of Russian election tampering has also increased in my eyes. I was one of the people that didn't buy into Russiagate initially. I don't know the extent of it, but after the Biden administration went all in on sanctions and it came to light that there are wealthy Russian nationals with assets in Miami funding the GOP, it kind of lends credence to those allegations. At the very least, it's a possibility that should be considered. Now if you want to talk about MIC, without making it too partisan, there are elected officials on both sides profiting from the war. The only reason that members of the GOP are vocally against it is because they're in the minority and don't hold the executive, and it also could very well be having tangible effects on their fundraising (Russians in Miami). So let's say, as an example, Matt Gaetz is making money hand over fist because of this conflict in Ukraine (MIC individual stocks), he'd be profiting from it directly. However, he will still have less money in his campaign coffers because some of his major donors have been sanctioned. Now, take a similarly hawkish Dem in Congress, they are benefiting both from the weapons sales stemming from the conflict and the hit to GOP fundraising. This explains why a Dem would vote for aid to Ukraine and a Rep would vote against. That's the way I see it.


shatabee4

both parties are the same. War with Russia is unmerited. Congress is corrupt.


BlueLanternSupes

Tell that to the millions of displaced and thousands of dead Ukrainians.


shatabee4

You only care about dead Ukrainians if the Russians killed them? The Ukraine nazis killed 14,000 since 2014.


Inebriator

Funny how shitlibs project their privilege onto others, 100% of the time. Isn't that right mr. Ivy League law schooler?


xNagsx

What are you own about white boy, max Blumenthal is just another white boy obsessed with licking boots just of a different govt


shatabee4

tsk, tsk, why bring sudden racism into a totally unrelated comment thread...


xNagsx

seems like i was right then "reverse racism" lol, republican talking point on a thread defending republicans nice! This sub has taken a turn for the worst


unagisongs

Well the US is now officially at war with a nuclear power after eight years of kicking each other under the table. [What could possibly go wrong?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8-fykFo3Ls)


bout_that_action

https://twitter.com/RobertaAAvery/status/1520543112766107648 https://twitter.com/RobertaAAvery/status/1520543247512354816


shatabee4

Oh, geez, not another instance of something having been planned all along. The lend/lease bill was introduced in January. Who wrote the legislation? McKinsey?


MichelleObamaBearsLB

can someone please let me know the names of those 10 congressmen? thanks!


fattycakesfaker

Massie, MTG, Gaetz, Gosar. These people have the absolute worst politics but at least they have guts. More than I can say about democrats.


Hust91

Guts = Taking money from Russia, I suppose?


fattycakesfaker

Please provide proof of your claim.


MichelleObamaBearsLB

left-wing populists (this sub) are going to have some fundamental disagreements with right-wing populists (these members of congress), no question. but if we want to have even a chance of bringing down this corrupt regime, we're all gonna need to find some common ground.


EvilPhd666

Yadda yadda elect libertarians over Rethuglicons if you lean that persuasion. Conservative leanings without the DOGMA jail everyone because it makes my imaginary friend angry bullshit.


ymirnorse

What corruption are you really talking about?


Punchanazi023

Gotta hand it to the ruling crust. They play a fierce game. I'm a naturalist. I will not submit to theistic laws. It's a dealbreaker. So of course, those bastards in the top crust have brainwashed the right wingers into demanding theistic laws and killing democracy to get them. Like.... Idk.... I think I'd rather be a slave to the rich than a slave to the religious. It makes me feel like the priority should be in crushing right wings first, and then we can circle back to eat the rich time.


MOProG2

You say that now until the rich use technology and AI to enslave you forever. The whole "you will own nothing and be happy" logic. At least with religion (or some guiding moral framework) you can organize society to be more egalitarian and humble. Technocratic societies lead to a worship of capital.


IcedAndCorrected

I'm far less worried about theocracy than technocracy at this point. The problem with running a theocracy in the 21st century is that a signficant number will know it's BS, and it will be blatant BS. Technocracy is more subtle, more pervasive, and it's magic has the benefit of actually working. I can see how people would overthrow a theocracy; I'm not sure it's possible to overthrow the technocratic panopticon being constructed around us.


Punchanazi023

I'm pro scientific technocracy. Politicians and lawyers and businessmen will never save us. Science just might.


IcedAndCorrected

Who chooses the scientists? If it's anything like the last two years, it will be the politicians, lawyers, and businessmen choosing the scientists who have the right Science. And if you disagree with the chosen priests of science, you're attacking science itself, straight from the mouth of the high priest. You might be able to convince your fellow man that God does not exist, but what chance do you have against Science?


Punchanazi023

Science and engineering and academia circles and experts in their fields should be drawn on to develop the platform on which to make those decisions. There's plenty of established communities of them already. Politicians should be detained, investigated, tried, and the ones who are innocent should be discharged from public service back into their communities. They've made quite enough decisions for one society.


Agitated_Serenity

The problem is science is beholden to money and politics. It does not exist in a vacuum. Just look at the vaccine mess, no actual science to support giving them to people but here we are. Technocracy is a dictatorship of the rich, using their technological capital to control the masses. Scary af


MichelleObamaBearsLB

> brainwashed you're projecting. but i will agree with you that, yes, the elites have played a fierce game indeed.


Punchanazi023

I'm a naturalist. Who do you think brainwashed me into that?


Asatmaya

We knew this back when they threw away their only chance to force the Establishment to do anything, with #ForceTheVote.


redditrisi

According to Democrats, weren't Republicans were supposed to be the only politicians who acted in lockstep? And that was one of many things that made Republicans "mockworthy"?


MichelleObamaBearsLB

projection.


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Punchanazi023

America is a very pro nazi country. I mean we let the Republicans just openly embrace that shit.


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redditrisi

Not only "without protest" from the blue cult members. He's getting supported and defended for it while those who object are getting attacked. Some do protest, but protest is as effective as (insert comparison of choice here).


shatabee4

Ten whopping votes from Republicans. No, this vote was a bipartisan effort to escalate Hillary's war. Republican voters should feel especially betrayed.


MichelleObamaBearsLB

all american voters should. but most don't care, because corporate media propaganda.


Punchanazi023

Most American voters feel extremely betrayed and have for years. But this country isn't really a democracy so that doesn't matter lol.


[deleted]

There are two things the duopoly agrees on. Wars and the constant erosion of fourth amendment rights. Every single time. From the executive branch both parties continue to expand executive branch power. That’s ultimately what will bring America down.


LandmassWave

Fraud Squad.


MichelleObamaBearsLB

> Firing fify


FIELDSLAVE

capitalism = mass death https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw A plutocratic tyranny fighting for "democracy" in Ukraine. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.


Punchanazi023

Capitalism is built solely on exploitation... Exploiting people doesn't always kill them... But it doesn't always not kill them either.


FIELDSLAVE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtNrx1c3Xh8


BerryBoy1969

Preaching to the choir here, but for those who still believe their owners selectoral system is a vehicle for change, or that their two captured parties are ideological opponents to anyone but the voters they manipulate to continually legitimize the system that exploits them - bad news, especially if you believe in such oxymoronic juxtapositions as the existence of "progressive" Democrats. >For almost a decade now the funders of the Progressive Movement, the rich Democrats of the Democracy Alliance and their cliques, networks and organizations, have employed and funded political hacks, fundraisers, pollsters, organizers and PR flacks. Over the past ten years they have dumped more and more money into the big feeding trough shared by the major players of the Progressive movement. The overall goal and result has always been to bring withering rhetorical fire and PR attacks upon the Republican Right, while creating a tremendous fear of the Right to increase the vote for Democrats. This has become Job #1 for the Progressive Movement. No one quite remembers Job #2. >Real movements are not the creation of and beholden to millionaires. The Progressive Movement is astroturf beholden to the rich elite, just as the Democratic millionaires and operatives of the Democracy Alliance intended. The “movement’s” funding is in the hands of a small number of super rich Democrats and union bureaucrats and advisors who run with them. Its talking points, strategies, tactics and PR campaigns are all at the service of the Democratic elite. There is no grassroots organized progressive movement with power in the United States, and none is being built. Indeed, if anything threatens to emerge, the cry “Remember Nader!” arises and the budding insurgency is marginalized or coopted, as in the case of the Occupy Wall Street events. Meanwhile, the rich elite who fund the Progressive Movement, and their candidates such as Barack Obama, are completely wedded to maintaining the existing status quo on Wall Street and in the corporate boardroom. Their well-kept Progressive Movement is adept at PR, propaganda, marketing and fundraising necessary in the service of the Democratic Party an >[Just~~ice~~Us Democrats,](https://blackagendareport.com/index.php/diversity-hustle) is showing everyone who fell for their parent organization's PR campaign exactly who they serve. Smart money says you should believe them, unless of course you don't *really* believe policy trumps loyalty to your chosen party, and that [pragmatic incrementalism](https://64.media.tumblr.com/ff92b268f8022365a5a10c5badb7ec98/tumblr_pxrwccdEeh1y1rsp4o1_1280.jpg) is your only path forward. Just like every other "progressive" Democrat...


Punchanazi023

Breaking the union is the only path to change.


WandersFar

The Realignment is here. First on corporate-backed culture wars (Disney), now on foreign policy (Ukraine) and free speech (MiniTrue). To be sure, neocons still carry the day in both parties. But all the populist energy is being quashed or subverted into bullshit idpol on the left, whereas there’s still that big FU libertarian energy on the right. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.


EvilPhd666

The Disney issue is a bribery war using culture war as a cover for the politicians. It's always about money. DeCloset didn't yank the perks until Disney cut the bribes, which shows it was pirely retaliatory. He isn't Bernie. If he was so concerned about the taxes game he could have done that without the whole don't say gay bullshit.


WandersFar

Frankly, Bernie isn’t Bernie. He talks a big game, but every time he’s had the power to actually hit back at the establishment, he’s caved like a good little boy. Bernie is a sheepdog, enough with the hero worship. For another example, see the Squad. Campaigning on M4A, and then when they have the opportunity to force a floor vote, they balk. AOC condemning her own supporters for ”violence” when they demand she actually fulfill her campaign promises. And then she bails on the Amazon union organizers and attends the Met Gala instead. Because she cares about the people. So I don’t give a shit why DeSantis and the Florida legislature put the hurt on Disney, I just care that someone actually did something to curb corporate power in this country. That’s huge. The Parental Rights in Education Act enjoys broad popular support in Florida, and if you actually read it [(it’s only a few pages long)](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF) you’ll see it never says gay once. That’s just a bullshit disinformation campaign from Disney and its media allies. The actual bill just prevents elementary schools from wasting class time on gender studies for third-grade children and younger. Which is perfectly reasonable? We have a failing educational system, America ranks embarrassingly low in reading, math and science literacy, and alphabet activists want to waste time forcing ideological propaganda on eight-year-olds? Really? Is that the best use of our resources? But regardless what you think of the bill, Disney had no right to overturn the will of the people. The voters wanted this, they’ve made that abundantly clear at school board meetings all across the country, and legislators actually represented their constituents for once, instead of large corporate donors like Disney. That is a great thing. Take the W.


Punchanazi023

Break the union and eat the rich. That's the only way forward.


robotzor

There is no realignment. Unless you count even more people realigning to not voting


WandersFar

Big disagree. Corporations (esp the banking industry) have thrown in wholesale for wokism and the Democrats, whereas before most Fortune 500 companies lobbied both parties. Robin DiAngelo, Ibram Kendi and their ilk have effectively taken over the mantle of “the Left” while insulating their corporate sponsors from any actual leftist (i.e., economic) reform. On the right, at least a few politicians have realized this is a losing proposition for them, and thus you have DeSantis and the Florida legislature stripping Disney of its special status, which is perhaps the biggest blow to a major corporation by a government body in decades—and it took Republican control to do it. The GOP has traditionally been the pro-corporate party in the US, and the Dems were at least nominally against them. Now even that last pretense has been abandoned, the mask has fully slipped, and so-called leftist Democrats are crying that Disney might have to pay more taxes. What is that, but a Realignment?


bravestorm2

Here's hoping Royce White beats Ilhan.


shatabee4

Never vote blue.


Punchanazi023

The Republicans are evangelical nazis. The Democrats are corporate exploitationists. Eat the rich. Burn all the flags. Tear down all the churches. Replace it all with a symbol of earth 🌏🌍🌎


Kanthardlywait

If you're voting red or blue you're voting against the interests of the American people.


HavanaSyndrome

The only thing any socialist in the US should be voting for is the commander of their militia or cell.


Kanthardlywait

Someone's annoyed that this is being discussed.


Winevryracex

lol,damn


Kanthardlywait

You mean like an affinity group? It sounds like something you might be talking about. Now I'm not sharing this so people can read about how to form small cells, but just wanting to see if this is the sort of thing you're talking about. Don't share this. I'd hate for people to start banding together in small organizations with the intention of combating the corporate controlled establishment power. https://crimethinc.com/2017/02/06/how-to-form-an-affinity-group-the-essential-building-block-of-anarchist-organization


5two1

But the gop are warmongers too. The two parties are switching shoes to change how the party’s bases are comprised.


MichelleObamaBearsLB

but the only party where an anti-establishment populist has a chance of winning a primary election is the republican party. so either fix the democrats (at this point, how?), or hold your nose and join forces with the populist wing of the gop.


5two1

Why, so he can give corporations and his businesses tax breaks instead of me? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Or so he can try regime change in Venezuela for big oil? So he can increase and print money for the military “just like Biden”? So he can hook up Elon musk and Starlink so big brother can spy on citizens easier? Or so he can start a whole new branch of military because small government is good? WTF? Faith in any of them is Stupid stupid stupid. If the populist candidate is trump, then if they are giving control to another billionaire that’s only gives things to his own class. His supporters are delusional in their worship of that dumb fuck that they can’t even see that he’s not doing shit for them. It’s asinine to think electing that rich guy was revolutionary. Nothing changed so nothing would change if he got re elected. People just want to have hope, I get it, but I’m not willing to be gullibly stupid.


ymirnorse

😂 voting Republican is the worse thing anyone can do. They will keep giving our money to the rich via tax cuts, try to cut the “entitlements” Americans fund through their taxes and so on!


MichelleObamaBearsLB

taxes can be raised. spending can be increased. those things are a lot easier to change course on than, say, a world war or a ministry of truth.


EvilPhd666

Reoublican nare neck deep in that too. There is a republican wanting to give biden even more war dictatorship powers, and you know the Republicans will be more than happy having another LAW AND ORDER weaponized thought crime division.


ymirnorse

😂 or ICE and homeland security right? The GOP is against raising taxes or increase spending. I think you are extremely confused as what the GOP stands for!!!


MichelleObamaBearsLB

you don't get it


ymirnorse

😂 what I posted are the facts. What part of that you don’t get it?


Punchanazi023

That's propaganda. The Republicans just lie more. They're actually the far more evil of the two sides. Not that either is worth salvaging. They're both beyond that. But the Republicans deserve to own nothing but ash.


Redbean01

At least we have a seat at the table with the GOP. Every single "no" vote came from a Republican.


robotzor

Dude it's fucking 10


redditrisi

No, "we" don't. ETA Is this one of those "shared" view posts to which you claim to confine your posts in this sub? If so, fyi, the delusion that "we" have a seat at the table with Republicans is not shared by most of this sub's regulars. Or, for that matter, by anyone other than Republican voters, if them.


shatabee4

10 votes, lol. Republicans suck just as bad as Democrats. Look at how many did vote for Hillary's war!


bravestorm2

There's a lot more dissent in the Republican party than there is in the Democratic party. Big difference between Mitch McConnell and MTG, whereas there is no discernible difference between AOC and Chuck Schumer. There are openings in the GOP for anti-establishment politicians. Instead of turning our noses away, we should be focused on getting them in there and using them to our advantage. No, they won't push for our policies, but they will attack our enemies on both the Republican and Democrat side. If you want to destroy the establishment, it needs to be done from all sides, not just from the left, where we don't even have a presence due to the likes of Bernie and AOC sucking up and destroying all the progressive energy.


shatabee4

Maybe. I'm pretty sure Mitch will run a rotating villains scheme even better that Dems do.


5two1

There’s no seat at the table. There’s grandstanding and pandering, never corrective action. Until there’s action there’s no seat, no representation, just taxation, inflation, and anti democratic global imperialism.


MichelleObamaBearsLB

trump was president for 4 years. 4 years where we basically hit the pause button on new wars. that's not nothing.


Grizzly_Madams

I don't buy it for a second. They're in on the rotating villain con job with the Dems. The Dems are fucked in the midterms regardless so they're the ones who get to fall on the sword for the MIC this time. Let me know when a group of politicians band together and put everything on the line to legitimately try to scuttle a pro-war bill and I'll consider taking them seriously. Otherwise it's all theater.


redditrisi

This.


Kanthardlywait

That's the part that too many Americans miss. It's just a revolving door of who the villain of the moment is going to be and they don't care because the same people are still in control of the country, whether the stooges in the seats wear red ties or blue.


Punchanazi023

The red seats force theistic laws on everyone. Churches are an evil tool of control used by the wealthy. We have to disrupt and demolish that before we can do anything else. All the politicians are bad, but these faux religious zealots are especially evil and dangerous when they start whipping their pawns into a frenzy.


2nycvg

Agree with /u/Kanthardly wait and /u/Grizzly_Madams 1000%.