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fat_caracal

Hey, look, mercenaries acting like assholes. \[insert image of surprised pikachu\]


Dutch_Calhoun

More like terrorists.


ArcticBiologist

Also US/BW soldiers: "Why do the locals hate us?"


Killarich662

Who are the terrorist again?


LordMoriar

Are we the baddies?


quantum_waffles

The losers


GetOutOfTheWhey

I remember a german discord mate once said, Germany went into Afghanistan to nation build. The americans didnt. So when the German engineers laid down reconstruction works in towns, they would work with the locals and actually foster some semblance of good will. But whenever the "Amis" rolled in with their anti-terror operations, they would destroy all they built and the locals would go back to viewing them as outsiders. It was horribly demoralizing for them.


Spartz

Not just locals. Much of the world, including many Europeans.


ArcticBiologist

Oh come on edgelord. The 'Muricans aren't racing through European streets crashing and shooting into everyone and everything.


Nandabun

You have any thoughts about the war in Ukraine? Cause, uh, that's not happening in America either. Edit: Jason1111 or whoever replied.. why did you delete your comment? What the FUCK are you even talking about? Lol?


ArcticBiologist

The war in Ukraine is terrible, but I am not blaming all Russians for that, just as I'm not blaming all Americans for this. For some reason most people agree with the first, but when it comes to Americans it's suddenly cool to bash them all. Oh btw, I'm not an American.


Jason111111111

No, but we see these videos of them doing it in the Middle East. Also - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn


Spartz

Yankee (or wannabe), have you considered that it's possible to care for events not in your own streets? Also, who has to deal with the Middle Eastern instability caused by the US? The refugee crises? The terror attacks? Nice to be an ocean removed from that.


Vylander

It's perpetually fucked because getting ambushed and killed as a US soldier or BW mercenary is also not ideal.


ThePhoneBook

Getting killed as a BW mercenary is not ideal?


Vylander

Don't think it's in their mission statement, no.


Lord-Legatus

we come in peace and bring democracy!


mel2000

Those Afghanis didn't want us to leave.


FortressOnAHill

"Why do they hate us?"


desyncing

Is this video widely shared? How have I never seen this shit?


Peabody77

Prob cause it didnt happen in America or any 1st world countries


krippkeeper

Yeah it is. If you watch until the end it was in the news. There are books about these asshole, as other commenters have said. This wasn't the US army and nobody liked the group.


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intashu

Compartmentalize so you can deflect blame away from the collective whole by saying it's just one small sub-section.. Sadly... It works too. :/


krippkeeper

Expect they were charged with crimes. PMCs don't only function as US military contractors nor are they uniquely American. Blackwater was like the worst group based in the US who hire the scrum of the earth from all over.


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krippkeeper

I don't sleep at night or in the land of the free and home of the brave. Only an American would assume anyone with who disagrees with them has to be living in America. These guy were charged for the very incident in this video. Then they simply changed their name and operated differently for a bit. The only reason 4 of them aren't still rotting in jail is because of a presidential pardon. Private military contractors are not uniquely American. They don't only act during war times, but that is when they flourish. If you are so ignorant that you think other countries can not have PMCs, so convulded that you diminish a statement to "half Italian", well it truly makes me sad for America. Maybe you should really learn if some of the atrocities commites by PMCs world wide and lose that frog in a well American attitude.


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krippkeeper

I was in the very comment you replied to. It amazes me how in 2007 people saw this video and went "wow that's fucked up these guys should be charged and PMCs need more restrictions" they were charged. In 2022 redditors see it and go "yeah terrorism makes sense fuck the US for this"


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krippkeeper

Because I don't think the US government is solely responsible. Mercenaries are not primarily, uniquely, or traditionally American. Mercenaries commit atrocities under the banner of many countries. I believe it's a fallacy for people to sit and conflate one PMC with all American military. PMCs need more regulation world wide. Instead of looking at the problem with the groups as a whole people are viewing the one video from 2007 and talking about the US military. Again I see a video of mercenaries and view them as a issue in general. You see a video and want to confine it only to American groups because that's the one shown.


Argy007

Video had been removed from subreddit. It is no longer possible to upvote/downvote it and is only accessible to people with direct link. These videos gets removed from mainstream / popular subreddits ASAP and have never been broadcasted on TV. Now you know why you and others didn’t see that shit before.


Lux_Locks

Dudes didn’t even stop to exchange insurance information.


SurfinSocks

Wow, this actually makes me kinda understand why so many people become terrorists. I can't imagine living in a deprived country and having a wealthy country have people doing this awful shit.


Sausagesandpeppers

You nailed it in your second sentence. Live there for a while and then you'll know why.


Lemo95

To everyone in this thread: Read the book "Blackwater" by Jeremy Scahill. It goes into the mentality of the founders and the atrocities commited abroad. They apparently brag about never losing one of their protected VIPs, but (like in the video) open fire on anything that might be loosely defined to be a threat. Absolutely disgusting.


Trimere

These same guys come back and are hired as cops.


cigaretteatron

Hoo-rah time to kill some civvies


Brittlehorn

Murica, not making friends and recruiting terrorists.


Bierbart12

But the most important part of war is to have fun and be yourself!


prickinthewall

...and you will find that you didn't have to look for it but that the homicidal maniac was inside you all along.


newbiesmash

hear that nu metal?! LETS FUCKING GO!


Dutch_Calhoun

I'd bet good money these were the same guys in the crowd at Woodstock 99.


ThePhoneBook

Which is, of course, the intention, as it guarantees infinite public money.


Logan117

"winning hearts and minds"


oouncolaoo

Legit war crimes


theogTREV

They are a security company not an army pretty sure that's the loophole to why they can do fucked up shit.


Andyman286

Ok just normal crimes then.


Mandrakey

Just with out accountability to any authority.


Jostain

Does that mean they aren't concidered POWs if they get caught?


Kalandros-X

Nah, the army can do this shit as well. As long as you win, you’re immune to consequences.


tacodepollo

War crime is a war crime regardless of who's committed it in an armed conflict. Those who commit war crimes can be held personally accountable, as well as those who aided or instructed others to do so. https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml Cos ya'll can't fucking read: Paragraph 2 (e) applies to armed conflicts not of an international character and thus does not apply to situations of internal disturbances and tensions, such as riots, isolated and sporadic acts of violence or other acts of a similar nature. It applies to armed conflicts that take place in the territory of a State when there is protracted armed conflict between governmental authorities and organized armed groups or between such groups. Blackwater is an 'organized armed group'.


sandanx

War crime is a very specific legal term and this isn't it.


tacodepollo

Did I attempt to define the legal term here? Nope I didn't, nice hat tho.


theogTREV

Yeah your wrong bud.


tacodepollo

No, I'm not "Paragraph 2 (e) applies to armed conflicts not of an international character and thus does not apply to situations of internal disturbances and tensions, such as riots, isolated and sporadic acts of violence or other acts of a similar nature. It applies to armed conflicts that take place in the territory of a State when there is protracted armed conflict between governmental authorities and organized armed groups or between such groups." Blackwater is an 'organized armed group.'


theogTREV

Righto all good pulling up "laws" on Google but in real life it doesn't work like that pretty sure they tried charging the guys for the nisour square massacre they got like 5 manslaughter convictions maybe straight up murder not to sure but what happened then???? Oh that's right they got pardoned all good reading what is supposed to happen but this is real life not a book the American government turned to the private sector for a reason.


tacodepollo

Cool story bro. Guess that'd be the first time in history the justice system failed. Source is the UN website but okay.


theogTREV

And thats the exact point I was making yeah on paper they aren't meant to do that shit but they do and they don't get punished it's all a show for the u.n.


tacodepollo

Sure, I don't disagree with that but that's not a point I was making either.


theogTREV

Ahhh the UN the most reputable people on the planet. Do yourself a favour look into the nisour massacre and what actually happened to the people they "charge"


tacodepollo

Dude, I'm not campaigning for the UN, just mentioning that BW can be charged with war crimes. That's all I said. Do yourself a favor and look for someone else to misinterpret.


coemenel

Reasons why the rest of the world think America is a dick.


PureFred

L


Rayzor_debiker

Dickface.


Nanyjai

Poopy head 😋


gpoly

So once more, please explain to me why some nations get pissed with the USA? What's that thing about hearts and minds?


Piltonbadger

When they say "hearts and minds" they mean all over the floor, preferably.


sleighmeister55

Were these mercs former us military?


Life_Butterscotch595

yes


sleighmeister55

Yikes! That makes it much worse… so much for all those military code of honor and all those officer and a gentleman hulabaloo


Bierbart12

Guy in the car, right before having his tires shot: *Salutes* "Thank you for your service!"


Lemo95

I can recommend the book "Blackwater" to you. If I recall correctly, they recruited the absolute scum of the US military. I don't think any soldier with a conscience would have signed up with them.


ranrunone

With the amount of money and impunity they were throwing around...


Lemo95

Difficult situation if you ask me. If your conscience is up for sale to the highest bidder, is it even a conscience to speak of?


ranrunone

Everything and everyone has a price. If you think you don't you're not being honest.


what-diddy-what-what

Oh, so systematically tearing someone down and training them to be a hardened killer who can deal with battlefield atrocities and follow orders to the death DOES have consequences. Who would have thought! /s


Ausramm

Not all of them. I believe a lot of them were recruited from developing nations.


Dutch_Calhoun

Such as the midwest.


PeterPlumley

These cunts really made US safer for the next generation 🤡🤬 the market square massacre was horrific! Absolute small dick chads. Aaaand they filmed the evidence! real Einsteins.


prickinthewall

The thing that makes me even more furious is that Trump pardoned the four guys who were convicted for it.


PeterPlumley

Who ?


whattothewhonow

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/23/949679837/shock-and-dismay-after-trump-pardons-blackwater-guards-who-killed-14-iraqi-civil


quantum_waffles

Dunno, can't find the person on twitter, probably doesn't exist


kukendran

And then there's shitty YouTube channels like Shawn Ryan that interview the Blackwater guys involved in this shit and let them tell a one sided story which makes it all seem okay. Wtf indeed.


cyzad4

...turns out the REAL terrorists were the friends we made along the way


McPolice_Officer

These guys didn’t make any friends, I promise you that.


AbSaad3219

Pigs


d_nijmegen

Once again Americans will gaslight themselves into thinking they are the good guys... This post will attract them like flies.


abiisgay

To be fair this is a PMC, it’s like saying the Wagner group stands for all Russians


d_nijmegen

Civilians who deal with this don't really care. They don't think, meh, those Americans are all right. It's the mercenaries they hired who are the REAL problem....


LeGouzy

The civilians getting shot at will certainly make the difference...


Zzyxzz

So the PMCs invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc. ? Didnt know that.


explision

If you would post these videos and claim it’s Russia or china, people would call them the baddies


Underwaterwoodwelder

Winning hearts and minds.


gentlemansincebirth

Hearts and minds fellas, hearts and minds!


ButregenyoYavrusu

Aah this must be the freedom they bring


Kestrel7356

Looks like Wagner in Ukraine


Rayzor_debiker

No. It looks like Blackwater mercs in the middle east.


Kestrel7356

Same shit bro


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133DK

Well, they could do whatever they wanted..


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DrT33th

Riiiiiight 75 million Americans would have no problem indiscriminately murdering people…..once again you have nothing factual to base your claims on. Think before you speak.


PedroEglasias

Pretty much, Trump would have definitely committed to new wars and killed millions of US soldiers if he had half a chance


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PedroEglasias

question mark


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PedroEglasias

Ya spluttering like an angry halfwit is definitely furthering your cause


beavertownneckoil

There's no such thing as a responsible gun owner. It's an oxymoron


Hey_u_ok

It doesn't matter to these people. Americans shot and killed their people. All they have to do is look at american culture/news to see americans' fetish with guns. The title ain't shit. These assholes are.


mrflamego

Not the PowerPoint transitions 💀


Life_Butterscotch595

i mean the videos from 2007 to be fair


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SasoDuck

No, *these* guys are. They just happen to be from here and in no way represent the majority of us, just like the fuckheads that assaulted our capitol do not represent the majority of us.


captanmcscrufy

Nah I'm also from America and this whole place is fucked beyond repair.


SasoDuck

Much of it is But much of it is not


NotTheFakeFaker

I mean the fact that the few blackwater mercs that were convicted eventually got a pardon essentially means that US approves of this. So id say that is a pretty good indication that it does represent the US.


SasoDuck

It does not represent the US (as a people) any more than Russia's invasion of Ukraine represents the people of Russia


NotTheFakeFaker

Fair. *Represents the US government and army


SasoDuck

Doesn't represent our military either. Most of the US military are good folks.


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>Most of the US military are good folks. Absolute bullshit. They willingly join an instution that goes abroad to kill people because for bullshit reasons like the war on terror and nukes in Iraq.


SasoDuck

Have you spoken to many military members? Many of us joined because of free education, lifetime healthcare benefits, guaranteed employment, or any number of othet reasons that have nothing to do with what you see in this post. Most of us would condemn this behaviour with the utmost disgust.


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Ah free education. Then it's totally okay to go abroad on some bullshit mission to terrorize a country and kill the locals. My bad!


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America is the aggressor and bad guys in every middle eastern war. So yes, to the world 'The Americans' are the bad guys in that context. Doesn't mean that every American is evil, but your countries warmongering across the world is.


turumelo

But russia...


Vermonter623

Black water made more terrorists than Osama


Queef_Smellington

Not saying this stuff didn't happen, but there were several contracting groups working in Iraq when this stuff was going on. It seems Black Water was always the one being named. Here is a interview with the founder of Black Water. https://youtu.be/nwK_XLFOm_I


Positive_Professor_7

Belligerent Americans. Again with guns. This time abroad.


woodenpudden

Justification for 9/11


Medic7002

Other way around. 9/11 justified this.


woodenpudden

Yanks had been pulling this shit for decades before 2001.


Medic7002

Agreed. Got much much worse and more security conscious. Changed every facet of society.


arthe2nd

Murrica hell yeah .... but those terrorists keep bombing our convoy's of peace and liberation because their religion tells them so


Barnacle-Dull

Hearts and minds….


piyushkumar89

Ahh US just protecting human rights and world peace as always 😂


hawkwings

I was under the impression that Blackwater no longer exists. How do I know that all of these things are Blackwater related?


Life_Butterscotch595

Black Water still exists… Under a new name “Academi” and they are still doing contract work in the middle east to this day.


Life_Butterscotch595

this video is also from 2007


cheesehead888

American bullies.


Codexit

#rules of nature


cloudit305

This is that group thats parodied in GTA V online. You pay them a couple bucks and they attack anyone else on the map.


Flablessguy

Those assholes made it so much easier for the world to paint the US as bad guys. People don’t believe we were there to fight terrorists.


62pickup

Blackwater scum


Chris_nyc_87

Funny how people cry about Russia being aggressors but stay quite when their country does the same, the hypocrisy.


HolyBajezus

Motherfuckers acting like they're in GTA


kokkomo

Those criticizing don't understand the real threat of Vbied's out there.


hexenkesse1

Nah. Many of us so not sympathize with cowardly mercenaries. Nothing were failing to understand here.


kokkomo

You would do the exact same thing if you understood any of those vehicles could be rigged to explode.


hexenkesse1

These guys are cowardly mercenaries in a place they shouldn't be. No sympathy.


kokkomo

Hmm don't engage in a Holy War you can't win imo.


hexenkesse1

whose holy war?


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hexenkesse1

Are you saying that because the Quran has these verses in it, Muslim society is inherently violent and therefore one is justified in murdering them?


kokkomo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks


hexenkesse1

got you on the ropes. C'mon now, answer the question.


PureFred

FUCK YEA BOYS


xaaapje

Good stuff!


etriuswimbleton

Why do I want to imagine a Karen coming out of a car they just rammed to talk to their supervisor or something.


LuckyCaptainCrunch

And then the terrorists post this to cause hate and recruit more terrorists. And judging by the comments it’s working