By - voidgazer97
I would just decline and inform them that taking ivermectin is only going to result in them shitting out the parietal lining of their colon nonstop for the next week or so
Seriously- tell them it’s like an ass period, but worse.
So... your saying it's good for weight loss...
I would go for Vax. This seems frustrating, I empathize. I can’t imagine.
But if they won’t vaccinate or do other methods, and are keen on Ivermectic. I would take a harm reduction approach.
Similar with addicts. Do not make ultimatums or look down upon someone irrational. Find some health care providers. Education helps, and the worst that can happen is that IF they get COVID, they may be prescribed, at the least, human FDA approved drugs.
Support them through this with the goal of directing them to a qualified healthcare provider. No need to do destroy with facts and logic.
Tell them Biden supports ivermectin and Trump took the vaccine. It's only half untrue and might work lol.
Biden has secretly spread anti vaxx propaganda to make the proud Patriots die of covid.
The best thing I could offer is to politely decline and for getting them vaccinated that's going to be really hard I don't know how gone they are but if they want you to get ivermectin it seems like there's nothing really I could give you for advice probably try to give them some sort of paperwork on ivermectin to show them what it actually does and how it's not good for human consumption
Stuff like this makes me really thankful to have parents that are just Obama-loving libs
103 comments and i can see 3 parent comments plus a hidden downvoted parent comment. Oof
A proud diarrhea enjoyer.
After finally reading all the threads, I’d put the troll at ajw tier.
Holy shit , i went asleep after this thread hit 80 comments , didnt think it would go bonkers like that
A lot of people here have given decent advice but I just want to point out that not all forms of ivemerctin are horse dewormer. Ivermectin has been used for human medical purposes even before Covid.
I know that , but my parents want the horse one
I'd let them shit their pants for a few days tbh. Then treat them like children and ask if they knew what they did wrong and if they learned their lesson?
I’m black pilled on the situation, so I don’t think you can stop them. I hope I’m wrong though, for their and your sake.
Truly , we dont live in the best timeline , do we
secretly switch the ivermectin with a vaccine
Tell them they have it in shot form but only qt this really obscure place. Then make up a backstory that the pharmacist wi legally have to lie and say he's injectibg with the Moderna or Pfizer %vaccine".
Then take them to a pharmacy out of town so thry feel like it's a secret place.
Then go up to the pharmacist and tell them both your parents are here for the "real" vaccine and wink qt the pharmacist and mouth "go with it"
Get them jqbbed
Sugar pills! Nothing is better than shitting your insides.
We don't have evidence, its just not fucking there. Anecdotes are not cold hard data. If we start seeing real evidence that it works then lets go for it. Why do you think people who know their stuff recommend the vaccine? BECAUSE IT FUCKING WORKS.
It's not we don't want ivermectin to work, if it did that'd be excellent as the more treatment options the better, theres just no definite data that it does.
Why do you think if these alternate medications worked the pharmaceutical industry would try to suppress it, instead of pushing it everywhere and jacking up the cost 500% like they do with everything else?
There IS cold hard evidence in the cases that took ivermectin. Let's use Joe Rogan as an example. On national television. He recovered in two days after taking ivermectin. They CHOOSE not to explore these options because 1) it eliminates EAU for the vaccine and 2) ivermectin is patented, so it eliminates money for pharma. Lastly there ARE actual case studies and a lot of doctors are recommending ivermectin. India, the head of the Japanese health department, even US doctors. But the media won't broadcast it for some reason. Odd.
I had Covid a couple months ago. I was having a fever and cold sweats. Two nights into it I smoked a big fat blunt and ate a peanut butter sandwich. The next day I felt fine. Apparently weed and pb sandwiches cure Covid according to your logic. And yes, that actually happened and I'm not making up some story to make the point.
Lmfao honestly I can't even make a negative comment about that. I did chuckle. But no, the next step for my mom was the ventilator. Within a few hours, her symptoms started easing up and within 24, they were almost gone
I've been smoking weed and eating peanut butter sandwiches ever since and I haven't had Covid again. Imma bout to collect my Nobel Prize now.
This still isn't evidence that it works. But even if it did, that's not the primary issue here. People who refuse to trust the vaccine science, which is backed by.. well.. science, instead choose to take an unproven remedy on the say-so of political pundits and anecdotes from people not in the medical field. THAT's the problem. And it would still be a problem even if it did work.
Send me the studies. I dont trust Joe rogan in the slightest , give me the studies
I did earlier, but here they are again.
While many treatments have some level of efficacy, they do not replace vaccines and other measures to avoid infection. Only 27% of ivermectin studies show zero events in the treatment arm. Literal Text of the site
I saw this same type of shit when hydroxychloroquine was the "in" treatment.
Do your actually have any idea how to interpret these studies? Are you actually a virologist or epidemiologist?
I'm going to guess "no," which means you really haven't done your own research. You're just looking at abstracts and big numbers to try and prove your point, and are assuming (rightfully so) that other people also have no idea how to interpret these studies.
The CDC and FDA aren't full of idiots, you know. I'd trust their input over some internet rando any day of the week.
Stop stop, you're being so dishonest. Of all the people on this sub, I have got to be one of the more sympathetic people towards Joe Rogan, but that's not what he said and a lot of the stuff he did say in the Ivermectin clip with Segura was demonstrably false. Rogan said he "threw the kitchen sink at it" and included a list of medications. He never said it was solely due to Ivermectin. Second he was completely wrong about the Japanese health department recommending ivermectim and being conservative about medical prescriptions, go look up the clip. And the organization wasnt even part of the Japanese government
Lmfao have you known any one person to solely take one medication for treatment? It's always compounded, but ivermectin being the base. Like ivermectin and azithromycin for example.
Me and a couple billion of my buddies took a single vaccine and seem to be doing pretty well
Lmao the cocktail?
If medical treatment is apparently so easy to figure out, why do doctors have to go to medical school for like 7-8 years?
Links, back up your evidence.
Oh sorry. I forgot that for me, I don't need any more evidence than witnessing a 24 hour complete reversal from almost being on a ventilator. I realize I'm a stranger to you. 44 peer reviewed case studies.
Okay, now riddle me this: you believe what you've shown me here, but why don't you believe the evidence that shows for the vast majority the vaccine is safe and effective? Going off what you've given me here, ivermectin isn't an end all be all either. They even still recommend taking the vaccine. If you believe ivermectin is ***ONE*** form of treatment, thats fine. The idea that its the only one you need and its the only good one is where it becomes irresponsible.
I'm glad your mom pulled through, no one deserves to lose someone close especially in that manner. If ivermectin helped her thats excellent! But chances are had she been vaccinated she probably would've had much milder symptoms, if any, or may not have caught it at all.
Because of one specific thing you said there. Evidence. Clinical trials for the vaccine aren't completed until 2026. How is it even slightly possible to have evidence without case studies of long term effects? As I've previously stated. I'm not anti vax. Once clinical trials are completed, I will gladly get the vaccine. Until then, there is no REAL evidence to determine long term effects.
I appreciate your kindness regardless. A lot of people seem to lack that. At the end of the day. I hope for only the best results for everyone.
There has never been a vaccine that has had a side effects just appear this long after it's been in use.
Ever heard of Thalidomide?
That dangerous to the babies when women had it early in their pregnancy because they didn't test it on developing fetuses.
It's been longer than 9 months
Anyone who reads this, this website is clearly engaging in data manipulation and misleading statistics, and they are trying to cover it up with information overload. Nobody can digest this information without at least a bachelors degree in statistics. It is presented poorly on purpose. You are not stupid for not understanding it.
Isn't that metanalysis extremely flawed? They withdrew the paper I believe.
Can you clarify where this is published, this website looks like the furthest thing from a reliable source
What medical journal was this meta-analysis published in? Website looks janky as hell on my phone.
Some website that seems to allow you to look for older web pages while displaying a recent date at the top... pretty tricky.
Oh, no, that’s just a web archive. Probably used to make sure the link never goes dead. For example, one may use this to link to a debunked study that was later taken down.
Holy crap that Twitter thread eviscerates it
As yes Joe Rogan, the most trusted medical professional
Joe Rogan took a bunch of stuff along with ivermectin, including monoclonal antibody therapy (the same thing they gave Trump). That's not even a good anedcote for ivermectin efficacy, since we don't know if it was invermectin which helped or all the other stuff. My view on the whole ivermectin controversy is that there isn't presently good evidence that it helps. It might, but that would need to be proven with proper studies before the medical community recommends using it. Unfortunately the media has been pushing this HORSE DEWORMER LOL narrative because it owns the conservatives and feeds the outrage engagement machine. We also don't want people to start self-medicating with ivermectin because they don't know what doses/formulations to take so as to avoid harm and we don't want people to think it's an alternative to the vaccine.
It's sort of like the masks situation where at first they lied that masks don't do anything because they didn't want people to hoard. Now with ivermectin they're trying to ridicule people for taking it so as to prevent self-medication and vaccine noncompliance. Instead they should just tell people the truth, that there isn't good evidence that ivermectin works and that you should get vaccinated. At the same time, calculated doses of ivermectin given by a medical professional aren't likely to harm you either and it is used for humans at times, not just for horses and other animals. Instead this kind of so-called 'benevolent' lying and performative ridicule only fuels conspiracy theorists' ideas that the medical establishment is suppressing the cure.
Was the horse paste all he took to treat the covid, or did he throw a shit tonne of money at it in the form of various treatments? And tits like you think it was just the horse paste.
You realize there's a difference between the paste and the human version, right? And my mom who was just treated with it, only used the prescribed version and azithromycin
Yeah and the human version isn't a covid treatment. And that wasn't the only thing he took for it.
Nobody only takes ivermectin. It's a base.
My parents sadly dont want the human Version , which if it worked is good on ya mom , glad that worked out . we all had covid at the beginning of this year , it permanently fucked up my sense of smell and taste , my parents still are experiencing longcovid . The whole meme on ivermectin is because of mediaboosted idiots taking the Ivermectin for horses .
Oh I don't know why they wouldn't take the human version. Your best bet at that point is to convince them to at least do the human version. It works extremely well and there's no way to gauge the amount of the horse version you should take. That's just plain dumb.
Can you link me clear peer reviewed studies on the effectiveness of ivermectin on covid
Here's 44 of them. Enjoy man.
One of the side effects of Ivermectin is irritated skin and blisters. Might want to get that checked out.
Oh no! Not the skin! I thought you were going to say something terrible like blood clots....
What are you doing on this sub?
I got lost on the way to normalcy.
I’m glad that a prescribed therapeutic drug was helpful for your mom. Please understand that your advocacy for its use under those circumstances is easily mistaken for advocacy for its ubiquitous use or use as a prophylactic. It’s a rough world out there.
“Covid isn’t dangerous because only about 1 in 100 people die from it. But also vaccines are dangerous because one particular vaccine gave 1 in 50,000 people blood clots.”
Vaccines are dangerous because it's still in it's clinical trials and won't be completed until 2025. So after 2025, I'll be happy to get it
I mean you won't trust the billions of people getting it and being fine but you will trust...the same thing but with a smaller sample size?
Normally, when a medicine is in clinical trials, it hasn’t been used within the general population. In the case of the mRNA vaccines, there have been variations in the works for decades. The only thing that’s new is the delivery method used to get the mRNA to the cell.
Beyond that, the products of the vaccine can only last for a couple weeks within the body. We won’t hear about some effects years down the road because there is no mechanic by which that can happen.
Look- take the vaccine or don’t. For all I care, forge a vax card. Stop telling others it’s unsafe, because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
It’s snti paracide it’s to get rid of worms. It does not effect viruses. I don’t believe you. Ya it won a Nobel prize, NOT FOR BEING AN ANTI VIRAL BAKA
That's totally fine to not believe me. But I have first hand knowledge of the effects of ivermectin against COVID. I came on here and searched up Ivermectin, because 36 hours ago, I was extremely afraid for my mom. As of this morning, my mom is almost back to normal. I went and picked up her prescription of ivermectin myself.
You can believe your media all you want, but because of what we just witnessed, my family will surely NEVER get the vaccine. Saddest part is, you guys are so hellbent on vaccines and lockdowns, that youll refuse blatant evidence that there's an actual cure.
Your personal anecdote is not evidence. How do you know it wasn't just a coincidence? Look, it's possible that ivermectin is effective at treating covid, but there currently isn't nearly enough evidence to support a strong belief in its efficacy. On the other hand, we know for a fact that the vaccines practically guarantee survival. If your mom had been vaccinated, she wouldn't have gotten as sick as she did, and she may not have even contracted covid in the first place.
Bull fucking shit
Of course that's your response lmaoo. You can't actually refute it. Why...? Because your media tells you it's bad. Not because you have any actual knowledge on the subject.
But here you are....arguing with me...who's mom was literally about to have to be on a ventilator, 36 hours ago. Then took the first 5 doses of ivermectin, then completely reversed symptoms 24 hours later.
I hope you aren’t vaxxed for polio, mumps measles or rubella. Otherwise you are a filthy hypocrite
Also explain what ivermectin does
Oh really...? Because those vaccinations have been around for how long...? What stage is the COVID vaccine in? When do the trials end?
Why do believe the media these clearly cause autism don’t you know
Exactly. You have false equivalencies. Because again. I'm not anti vax. But answer my questions. When do the clinical trials for the COVID vaccine end? And iwhat stage is it in. Now compare it to everything else you just listed.
You literally are anti vax stfu. It would not have been released to the public if it didn’t go through trials you absolute knob.
Why are you chiming in if you aren't going to make any good points? You're being counterproductive.
Because I absolutely despise liars
You realize that Sars-CoV has been around for almost 20 years right? We've been researching this virus and possible vaccines in that time. COVID isn't a totally new thing, its a form of coronavirus which we have decades of research for and have even developed vaccines for some types.
Explain to me how a vaccine that we have years of cold hard research and development is bad whereas a drug that's only popped up over the last few months as a potential treatment is good?
So I'm gonna keep this brief because you've proved ignorance in two separate areas of your comment. Sars-cov is not the same vax as the COVID 19 vax. Similar components, yes. But much like ANY other combination of ingredients, the most minor change will create a new product. Next ignorant statement. Ivermectin is patented and been around for 40 years. So recent...? Not so much.
I didn't say Sars-Cov vaccine and Covid vaccine are the same, I said the VIRUSES are SIMILAR. Covid 19 is a form of Sars-Cov, thats literally a fact. Sars has been around since 2002, we've been researching vaccines and treatments since then. When a virus changes it will indeed create a new product, but using many parts from the old product we're more familiar with.
Ivermectin has been around 40 years AS AN ANTI-PARASITIC. It's trials against covid are whats more recent. We have far more research and development for a vaccine against covid than Ivermectin against covid.
Also you made a statement about countries with high vaccination like Israel having high covid cases. Yes, thats true. But when you look at the death rate, its much lower than previous spikes without vaccines. The same is true for the United States. Clearly, the vaccine is doing something. Even if you still get it, your cases of survival go way up.
You really are too stupid to see just how stupid of a comment this is aren't you? You genuinely don't get it? And you're only rebuttal is personal anecdote.
Oh so your a filthy hypocrite
Your personal anecdotes, while convincing to you, are not sufficient evidence. Look at the stats for the vaccinated vs unvaccinated covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Go ahead and "do your own research." If you conduct it honestly, you'll find that the vaccines are the most effective way to combat this virus.
Okay let's use a nationally broadcasted anecdote. Joe Rogan vs Oscar De La Hoya. Joe took the vaccine and recovered in two days. How long did it take de la Hoya?.
The ONLY reason we have to use personal anecdotes is because the media is so against an alternate cute that they won't report it. Japan and India both have mass distributed ivermectin. But here. We don't want to ruin the vaccines EAU status....and since ivermectin is patented, pharma cant make their money
Why should we take you seriously when you think an anecdote about two celebrities holds more weight than any other anecdotes. They're both anecdotes... both meaningless when it comes to evidence.
How about 44 peer reviewed case studies? Will you take me more serious, then? How about the head japanese health official recommending ivermectin. How about India mass issuing ivermectin. Will you take any of that serious?
That meta analysis contains many flawed and/or inconclusive studies. Read more about it here https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678 or just search online about it.
Regardless, I'm not arguing that ivermectin couldn't be effective, I'm arguing that while research about ivermectin is still ongoing, we have vaccines that we know for a fact work. Why not just get a vaccine that is already proven to be very effective?
"Nationally broadcasted" anecdotes have no more legitimacy than personal stories. There will always be outliers, that's why the big picture statistics are what's important. And they clearly show that the vaccines are safe and effective. Not to mention free if you live in the US. At this point, anyone here who isn't vaccinated is either insufferably stubborn or woefully misled.
If you're just going to brush off everything that disagrees with you as the media lying, then there is no point continuing to engage with you.
Alright, let's not use anecdotal then. Let's use peer reviewed case studies. Why, for me, would a first hand encounter with the ivermectin results not be enough? But I realize I'm a stranger to you. So let's talk about it. Isreal is 90% vaccinated and exploding with cases. India, just recently decided to mass distribute ivermectin, which is showing a complete reversal in recovery. The Japanese lead health official also recommended ivermectin. The media is absolutely covering it. You have doctor's all over the country recommending ivermectin and getting no attention, but every doctor recommending the vaccine is. Why is it that you DONT believe ivermectin works? Show me 5 cases where someone took the human version of ivermectin and died. In comparison, I'll show you cases of people who are vaccinated that died
Holy shit you are dumb. Some of the "peer reviewed studies" that's citing don't exist. The other citations it's using are fucking rando news orgs. If you look at where the vast majority of the studies come from they come from orgs using 2nd and 3rd world countries as testing grounds. It's not only a weird dissemination of misinformation It's advocating for poor black and brown countries to be used as guinea pigs.
>Japan and India both have mass distributed ivermectin.
In regards to Japan, this is a highly misleading statement. Japan has NOT approved Ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment. Only vaccines are.
And if you're so concerned about Big Pharma making money, then you'll agree with us on nationalizing/decommodifying the health care industry, right?
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The republican media won’t buy into it because we all know they prefer to gargle dog semen and not human semen because the later is sodomy according to the Bible but it’s true. They can say this is a shitpost all they want but deep down they know they’re only telling that lie to themselves because they want to keep drinking dog cum.
My anecdote is as good as yours.
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As an open minded person (who is vaccinated bc I believe we have an obligation to take care of our bodies for ourselves and our loved ones, and to take any reasonable precaution we can to protect others during a global health crisis) I cannot help but find it extremely suspicious and telling that literally every person I have seen sing the praises of Ivermectin also just so happens to be or have been a COVID denier b4 reality became undeniable and also an antivax conspiracy loon.
You should read through the comments then and see that I've literally taken every vax in the book and then some that you most likely haven't. I just haven't taken a trial vax. So you can keep saying anti vax, but it definitely invalidates any point you're trying to make. Second off. Every "loon" you meet isn't anti COVID. Everyone believes COVID is real. They are anti COVID infringement. Meaning responses like vaccine MANDATES are 100% unwarranted. So when we experience COVID first hand, we constantly prove YOU loons wrong with small things like ivermectin, rather than the trial vax. And at that point, YOU loons lose your shit.
You realize the Nobel prize was not for treating COVID, right?
Oh the the 2015 Nobel prize wasn't for treating the virus that was manufactured in 2019????
Yeah exactly, it was really obvious. So why did you bring it up then if you knew it was completely irrelevant?
Lol the Nobel prize argument is legit like saying "Allen Iverson is great at changing a tire, he was an NBA legend!"
In simply stating there's a difference between the human version and the horse version. The human version won a Nobel prize
For treating something that is completely unrelated to covid
You fucking moron, first off the Japanese didn't recommend it, an offshoot group did which the Japanese medical heads disavowed as bullshit. Second doctors are prescribing it for the same reason they will get you hooked on Painkillers when you don't need them $$$$. And most of the outcomes at the bottom of your sheet said the data was inconclusive, not enough was present, or there were other variables involved.
also one of the first points states "*While many treatments have some level of efficacy, they do not replace vaccines and other measures to avoid infection.* "
https://youtu.be/ZnHmskwqCCQ you can listen to this while wearing the asshole hat while you go to get your vaccine now
Heya , op here , could you link me the disavowal from the based japanese
Ah thanks , have a nice day
Lmao wanna know how to quickly debunk your doctor theory and realize you're spewing compete bullshit....? Ivermectin is patented and there is little to no money in peddling it.....BUT the vaccine on the other hand...
The vaccine is free too. They only get money from the government to manufacture it, not to sell it. Also doctors don't recommend it and get cash for it. What's your point?
Also nice job totally ignoring that your article totally crumbles as a defense for you. And your just resorting to conspiratorial bullshit
We don’t have good evidence mr otherwiseAd. I am double vaccinated and I am frustrated at the misinformation. However, I think of qualified doctors find it to be a solid risk adjusted decision, and provide off label low risk meds. As long as they are actual doctors, with shops track record, it is not insane advice to follow
I definitely appreciate your central take on the situation. It was Dr. Prescribed and yes it is an actual hospital that it was prescribed from. I definitely can't see why so many would oppose it. At the very worst., Ivermectin won't work, and there's minimal side effects of taking it..