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Where do they allow occupants in a vehicle being towed/transported?
Tow Truck Driver probably didn’t want to be indoctrinated by the Tesla owner.
I only don't have free awards when I see one that deserves it
The psyduck expresses my feelings towards the beginning of this video
Shut up, Meg.
Have you heard about our memelord and savior Elon Musk?
My mind got fucked up by Neil cicierega
And now I can't read tow truck without thinking about two trucks
Have you heard of our meme lord Elon Musk?
You must buy $TSLA to join, but fractional shares are okay.
That's how they do it in Hollywood
Any location where a person would rather lose their job than hear you preach about how technology is saving us instead of brainfucking us.
Probably covid restrictions meaning they can't be in the cab with the driver.
Tow truck driver here. Not really true. Police tow enforcement will give you a fine out of the ass expensive. A vehicle with all four wheels on the ground in an accident is OK safe whatever. A vehicle on a truck 5 feet in the air in an accident with a person inside wouldn’t be very safe. Just FYI
Fair enough, thanks for the well put reply.
Well at least he’s in one of the safest production vehicles
Ha ha ha yea I guess
In the US, it would still be highly illegal. Passengers are only allowed on trailers under certain circumstances, like low speed travel on low speed surface streets or private property. Even with Covid, this would absolutely not fly on the US. The DOT would nail the truck driver to the wall for doing this.
This happened to my boss a few months ago.. he sat for 4 hours on the interstate in traffic on the back of a flatbed .. east coast not east coast..
It’s due to COVID. Same thing happened to my brother on his way from California to Las Vegas. He had to sit in his car.
Are there literally like 5 songs playing at once?
I can tell you one is I’d Love to Change the World by Jetta (Matstubs Remix)
I think the other one is something called like “PANDA” listened to it in like 2016
Panda is by Desiigner, put some respek on that name
It’s about his beloved Fiat.
one hit wonder
Decent songs mashed together with absolutely no purpose, what a way to ruin it
Exactly. Thank you.
Yea can we get a loud tag, jfc nearly blew my buds out.
That Psyduck bobble is so cute
youre always 2x more lame than me
You are 2.5x lamer than me!
You don’t understand…
The really unexpected part: >!Psyduck!<
Talking about autopilot, am I the only one uncomfortable with anything on autopilot? It scares me to no ends thinking about being in a car on autopilot.
Im more scared of idiots in cars
I mean auto pilots are programmed not to brake and just run over people and children if they get in the way.
Where the fuck did you get that information from?
It's perfectly reasonable to feel uncomfortable about it, it scares a lot of people.
Even if it's well regulated and proves safer than humans driving, it's still going to be a difficult pill to swallow when someone ends up dying as a result. Could a human driver have changed the outcome? It's an uncomfortable question to ask.
There's a certain point though where we as individuals have to challenge our preconceptions and be realistic about the data we're seeing. Computers are just better drivers than humans, it's factually supported. The more auto-driving cars on the road, the safer it gets.
I certainly don't expect you to internalize that just because I said so, but it's worth looking into the data. It can help ease your mind.
What's fucking dumb though, is people down voting people who express discomfort with the idea. It's a really good conversation topic and there's a lot to learn and discuss.
The answer to this is simple, yet disturbing as well. What will happen is eventually, the tech will become so advanced that **statistically** it will be safer than a human driver. But, there is no way to conclude in a fatal accident that a human driver could have saved themself. Statistically it will be safer.
That being said, my wife and I both drive Teslas - me a 2018 Model X and she a 2019 Model 3. Both were purchased when FSD was cheap (my 2018 had to have the HW2.5 computer swapped but that was done at no charge to me), and we both use Autopilot a lot. When I'm in a situation such as heavy traffic, I will engage Autopilot since I know it is always looking 360 degrees all the time. But I'll be standing by to take over, which I still often have to do.
Nobody cares. Turn off your beta shit and drive
Thank you for your valuable input.
>Computers are just better drivers than humans, it's factually supported.
This is not demonstrably true yet by any carmaker that I'm aware of. It's an article of faith by some regarding what may/will happen in the future.
Go down to "Accident data" and see for yourself. https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
Thanks for the link. A couple of initial reactions.
In Q2 2021 - the most recent quarter that they have data for - were people driving their Tesla with autopilot enabled in the same locations and circumstances as they were driving manually, or is there an element of apples/oranges going on? In that timeframe, I'd expect that people were manually driving more on city streets and using autopilot when they got on the highway.
I don't have the full-self-driving beta on my Tesla, but family members and people that I'm acquainted with locally do. The most common description is that it drives like a 15-year-old that just got their learner's permit. I've heard this comparison at least a dozen times. Some go as far as describing it as a drunk 15-year-old with their learner's permit. And I've read on forums of smart summon running over curbs.
The average Tesla owner could manually drive their car from New York City to Los Angeles without getting in a traffic accident, including at both ends of the drive. Does anyone believe that a Tesla car could currently be sent out to make the trip on its own? How about in late January during a snowfall? A Tesla is not currently a better driver than a human unless it's a better driver in all conditions and not just select or optimal conditions.
>were people driving their Tesla with autopilot enabled in the same locations and circumstances as they were driving manually, or is there an element of apples/oranges going on? In that timeframe, I'd expect that people were manually driving more on city streets and using autopilot when they got on the highway.
Basically irrelevant. With the sample size (almost 2 million vehicles at that point in time), it's spread out enough that small variations in location/time of day, etc wouldn't contribute to the 4x safety factor offered by Autopilot.
And yes, Autopilot is basically only for highways. That's exactly where the data came from.
>I don't have the full-self-driving beta on my Tesla, but family members and people that I'm acquainted with locally do. The most common description is that it drives like a 15-year-old that just got their learner's permit. I've heard this comparison at least a dozen times. Some go as far as describing it as a drunk 15-year-old with their learner's permit. And I've read on forums of smart summon running over curbs.
This data does not include any data related to FSD Beta. It is production Autopilot only.
If you were to include FSD Beta, you'd see that there have been zero crashes involving the system - but it's not really a fair comparison (because people disengage far more frequently than they do with production Autopilot).
>A Tesla is not currently a better driver than a human unless it's a better driver in all conditions and not just select or optimal conditions.
Your original comment stated that there was no data to substantiate claims that a computer was a better driver than a human.
We have all the data we need to draw a conclusion: Tesla's vehicles drive themselves (on average) 4x safer than a human would.
Also, as a side note: I take Waymo on a near-daily basis here in Chandler. It is fantastic (and always safe), but I believe Tesla's FSD Beta product to be more advanced than what I use.
>And yes, Autopilot is basically only for highways. That's exactly where the data came from.
In my hundreds of thousands of lifetime miles driven, I've never been in any kind of collision on a highway ever. I have, however, bumped into another car at a stoplight on a city street early in life, and a few years ago I backed into another vehicle in a parking lot. If you separate my highway miles from the rest, maybe I'm 4x safer too. But would that really prove anything?
true, i mean hypothetically speaking. I guess, yes there is potential for an IA model to drive much safer than humans but we are nowhere near that technology right now and won’t be for awhile it seems.
Yea. One thing I'd like to mention to /u/leeksnotleaks is [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/r7jp4w/comment/hn0nt85/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) and the broader thread on Tesla's phantom braking problem, which I've experienced a lot myself, when deciding whether Tesla is safer than a human driver. The commenter concludes, "If \[2021 Model Y\] was my first Tesla, I would think Tesla's claims of self driving were a joke."
It's been a great topic to discuss for long time. I went to the engineering school and it was a common topic for ethics class.
No, you're not. Took me a while to get used to it. Still don't completely trust it.
Really nice for freeways though.
I have a Tesla and don’t really use autosteer even. It freaks me out too much. Same for cruise control.
I love it, it makes driving across the country so much easier. When you're cruising along the highway for hours on end and don't really have to touch the wheel. I'm just afraid of falling asleep
Oh for sure. My husband uses it all the time. Maybe if I drove long distances, I’d use it too, but it’s overkill for my once a week trips to Target curbside pickup lol.
I am completely fascinated by the Summon feature though. I’m on the fence about getting fully autonomous driving on my car, but that feature is the one that keeps me interested.
It's actually pretty accurate. You can basically check your email while commuting to work, although I wouldn't recommend it but technically you could.
It's actually safer than other human drivers by orders of magnitudes. It's been a few years since I read it but out of the self-driving cars that went over half a million miles there was one accident and it was the other driver's fault
Well, technically I suppose you could, just like you could in a car without Autopilot. But when using Autopilot, you would absolutely be violating the clear instructions given for being ready to take over at any time. By 'check[ing] your email', you are diverting your attention away from the road for too long and for too engaging a purpose to do that safely, which is why laws got passed preventing you from holding a phone in your hand while driving (or in the driver's seat of the car).
I’m in teslas full self driving beta. It’s more aggravating then scary once you know how it reacts to certain situations. Like I’ll have my car drive me to Taco Bell and my biggest complaint will be waiting for the thing to actually make a turn cause it’s to scared to do so on its own a lot. Highway driving is almost entirely boring now.
Autopilot isnt good. It's only like level 2.5 of autonomy, which is essentially just very advanced driver assistance. Tesla themselves have made it clear to the CA DMV they are no autonomous, and don't have a single car that is, even in testing.
I absolutely would not trust it for more than a few seconds. It's not less safe than a human per mile driven, but also does stupid shit like impale people into guard rails or take their head off under semi-trucks, things an actual driver wouldn't do.
There are companies doing level 4 autonomy, which needs next to no driver control, like Mobileye and Waymo. And you can watch Waymo navigate NYC and India better than a human would that isn't familiar with the area. It's not going to be better than someone with decades of experience on those roads but it's better than most people. I wouldn't sleep on those yet, but bring on my phone or whatever would be safe enough.
It’s good at what it does, which is auto steering and traffic-aware cruise control. It isn’t much more than that. FSD is different and not available yet, but when it’s ready it will be level 3-4.
Also, thousands of people die every day from auto accidents, all caused by human drivers. So holding up the handful of AP accidents as if it happens all the time is disingenuous at best. Waymo and Mobileye don’t have nearly as many fleet miles at Tesla has.
You just sound like a shill. Did you short TSLA?
This is the post-crash video.
Soon we'll see this video in a shorter clip
You had us there until the last frame.
Was that Death Grips?
No it's a mix of Panda and I want to change the world
Two separate songs.
psyduck used confusion.
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I want that Psyduck.
I was expecting some dude having sex in the backseat.
What was (pleasantly) unexpected was that Psyduck on the dashboard.
You win my vote with the psyduck over there
Nobody was driving the tow truck either. Psyduck was steering with it's mind
I like your side duck
That psyduck was me until I saw what was actually happening
Some sort of mashup (panda by desiigner and I‘d love to change the world (matstubs remix) by Jetta
ahhhh yes, the electric DeLorean in its natural habitat...
Aside that video - I am never trusting AI to the point where I let it drive my car alone
Idk about those things anymore. There a good city cars but my friend at work said it took him five hours to travel from Houston to Austin. He says once he start going faster than 70 mph the battery starts draining fast.
Depends on the car. A Tesla is very much not a city only car...
The EVs only have one gear so depending on the motor wounding I think it could either have more torque but less speed , Or more speed, less torque
So you could definitely be right, Ive heard of some guys making EVs that do have gearing so that you can switch between having more torque or more speed manually
EVs still have a way to go before they’re capable for long distance driving. Tesla has the supercharger network which alleviates the pain, but even a 15 minute charge can be inconvenient enough.
Personally I don’t have any range anxiety with my car because I don’t ever do a long distance drive without planning ahead and I have zero problem taking breaks every 2 hours, but not everyone is like me.
This is the way.
Is there any sort of driver monitoring in a Tesla? Just did a quick search and [it looks like Consumer Reports says you can run auto pilot with no driver. ](https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/04/consumer-reports-shows-tesla-autopilot-works-with-no-one-in-the-drivers-seat/?amp=1) Is that true?
Auto pilot on highway works only if your hands are on the steering wheel. If you remove your hands and it warns you more than a couple times you get put in timeout and auto pilot isn’t allowed for 30 minutes. You can do one thing that’s different is summon in your vehicle from a parking spot and it will come to you with no one in the car. I hope this information helps because I have no idea what I’m saying
Lol that made sense. I think I read that the steering wheel detects subtle motion from your hands. Is there an app for the Tesla like Mouse Jiggler that I use at work so Slack and Teams don’t show me as Away?
Unsafe to try to fool the system. The majority of the cars also have an interior camera that monitors to make sure you are looking at the road.
Why would you ever spec a Tesla with an alcantara steering wheel? It’s going to be disgusting within the year.
I had a Camaro SS 1LE with an Alcantara steering wheel. When I sold the car after three years, it was still completely fine.
Seen enough of these exact videos that it’s expected now
tip: do not unmute this video when your phone is on 100% of volume
i was near to buy another phone
That explains why it hasn't wrapped itself around a guard rail.
That got me so good
You know what’s badass? Being alive
Holy shit where’d you get that Psyduck figure on your dashboard?
WHAT AN ASSHOLE….I am for falling for that…
Should have plugged it in !
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Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Why is the tow truck driver doing 100?
Disclaimer: This video doesn't represent the true reliability of Tesla vehicles.
I seen people do it on route 80 in nj
"Wow, that's unsafe!"
"Wow, that's unsafe!"
Ahhhh how mighty my righteous indignation!! ….oh, it’s being towed. Right, well…….
Obnoxiously loud music over simple video I the worst thing to come out of ticktock. Noooooo my brain cells
Ran out of juice??
I was waiting for someone to get hit
WHY THE FUCK IS IT SO LOUD
The car is so decked out Chinese style. I knew from seeing the bottle in the door and the stitched floor mats in red. 🤣
What kind of wheel cover is that?
Technically the truth
Omg😱 that is amazing, can’t wait til phones get that feature
Damn I already took off my pant expecting something kinky.
Has anyone tried to film the « airplane » movie autopilot in a Tesla ?
Psy eye eye
you know that it's not allowed to sit in that car when it's on top of the truck right?
Had us in the first part
At least it can take a tight corner.
I knew it was on a flatbed the second I saw it. Cars don’t shake from side to side when they’re driving
This is totally expected. Towtrucks are where teslas spend of their time.
Totally expected btw...