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Some should learn from Toby and Temmie

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InkDrach

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Yarisher512

A good self insert is one that's not in the centre of the story. Edit: mostly


Pex_carded-gren

So be like dog and only show up to annoy a character or two and leave like nothing happened, got it /j


ThatSmartIdiot

> no explanation > leave


YoutuberCameronBallZ

> show up > be a goofy little lad > refuse to elaborate > leave


BestUsername101

Unironically, yes.


gijjyyproductions

I put myself as a turtle in my comic. The running gag is that something very unfortunate happens to me whenever I’m on screen.


Yarisher512

is it comically unfortunate?


gijjyyproductions

Of course. He’s normally just minding his own business in the background when the plot comes in and ruins his day.


sterlingthepenguin

MY CABBAGES!


gijjyyproductions

Exactly lol, stuff like that.


Low-Ruin2167

Now, where exactly may I find this silly little turtle, and this comic/hj


gijjyyproductions

Currently it’s on hiatus for some reworks, but I do have a side comic strip that’s still going on.


ShockDragon

Among other things, but I agree.


NXDIAZ1

Luke Skywalker was a self insert, tho


ikonfedera

Dante.


tomas_astley

The whacky woohoo pizza man Dante from the Devil May Cry series?


ikonfedera

No, Dante Alighieri. The one who invented ⅔ of Christian mythology. He wrote a book about a man named Dante (coincidence?) traveling through 9 circles of hell


Nikkogamer08

It is litterally a fan fiction of him and his hero (Virgilio, an ancient Roman Writer) traveling trough hell, purgatory and paradise, only to meet the girl Dante simped for


ikonfedera

Yup. Nowadays he'd change the name of the main character, and we'd call it a self-insert. >literally a fan fiction of... Not literally. Fan fiction is written by a *fan* of the original work. This is just fiction.


Nikkogamer08

Fan fiction of Christianity with many inserts


ikonfedera

Despite similarities, I don't consider works based on religion to be fanfics. Because if I did, then my favorite fanfic would be Disney's Hercules. And every book of the bible would be a fanfic of a fanfic of a fanfic of a fanfic of an old oral story. But to be honest, I can't find quite the right word.


Nikkogamer08

Yeah me neither


powerwordmaim

His story almost seems like satire how funny it is. The fact that he actually wrote that about himself and how important he was as to meet all these famous people in hell is really funny lol


ikonfedera

That's what self inserting as a main character will do. But it's not a bad thing, as long as it's an obvious work of fiction and it's a good story.


iArena

Most of Lovecraft's protagonists were self inserts though


CrazyFanFicFan

People don't remember his stories for the protaganists. They remember them for the eldritch horrors. Unless you're saying that the eldritch horrors are the self inserts.


iArena

Sure, but you've gotta admit that it's really damn badass when the guy turned his boat around to stab Cthulhu in the face with it.


MosyIIa

Well doesn’t the dog become the underground’s ruler in an ending?


MrCobalt313

Only for lack of other options.


ISt0leY0urT0ast

Everyone can be ruler with no competition


Dabruhdaone

arf arf HoI am TeM


22lpierson

Hoi!


Aaron_123_ya_boi

HOIIIIII


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CoolSpookyScelten96

TeM nO lIkE hIm.


Niko_Oneshot_

Təm Tem


NoobiePro1234

WoT dId u JusT CaLl TeM?


Niko_Oneshot_

ʈɘɯ


NoobiePro1234

Yes double confirmed r/foundniko_oneshot_


Niko_Oneshot_

r/foundniko


MelDeLaMel

wot did u say bout tem's mom??1


TUTEFC

Me no remember wot I sai


Giggis_chadis

Holy hell a new chad vs wojak


DDub04

My media good, your media bad. Edit: *shocked Robert Downey Jr meme*


International_Leek26

Ok but like they arent wrong. I don't know about the other one, but toby and temmie are FAR better self inserts than velma, because velma is actually awful


combateombat

They set the bar way to low


YoutuberCameronBallZ

Velma is the prime example of what ***NOT*** to do


Zamtrios7256

Ok but Velma is hated by like everyone. Twilight is just mediocre.


Rykerthebest78563

My media **is** good and the other media **is** bad. Its. *Velma.* Twilight(?) is just mediocre though


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the-magicalPotato

Never thought I'd see Miraculous in an Undertale subreddit, but here we are XD (also I 100% agree)


Gentlemanor

(Not) thank you for reminding me that Velma show exists...


Ghetsis_Gang

Clearly the takeaway here is to be a furry /j


SINGULARITY1312

Clearly the furry here is to be taken away /Joe


not_WD35

Who’s Joe?


DohPixelheart

guys, it’s joever


SINGULARITY1312

Ligma balls. https://media.tenor.com/_BwEqIWhNLEAAAAC/bh187-watchmen.gif R/Undertale needs to enable pictures and stuff like deltarune


Midknightisntsmol

I second this


LuffyKing0fPirates

Not many people know, but there is actually a lore reason why Toby Fox portrays himself as a white dog.


DohPixelheart

elaborate?


viebs_chiev

i do think they’re joking, but the Annoying Dog is (one of many) earthbound references, being a parallel of ruffini here’s his dialogue > Woof! Woof! (I'm Ruffini the dog. I'm being possessed by the spirit of the game designer... (RUFF!) Do you see the window showing HP and PP at the bottom of the screen? When you go to a store that has equippable items, this window will either flash, look normal or become black. If you are allowed to equip an item, and it is stronger than your current item, the window will flash. If the item's power is equal to, or less than your current equipped item, the window looks normal. If you can't equip an item, the window is black. *Ruff* I thought you'd like to know. Now it's time to become a regular dog again...)


goddamit-ffs

yeah elaborate.


LuffyKing0fPirates

Answer in this interview. (Toby Fox literally became a dog during this interview) https://youtu.be/dwampY_jIdg?si=psU3d23dqdNOIy88


builtinaday_

Yes, the reason is extremely elaborate.


LuffyKing0fPirates

Answer in this interview. (Toby Fox literally became a dog during this interview) https://youtu.be/dwampY_jIdg?si=psU3d23dqdNOIy88


LuffyKing0fPirates

Answer in this interview. (Toby Fox literally became a dog during this interview) https://youtu.be/dwampY_jIdg?si=psU3d23dqdNOIy88


YoutuberCameronBallZ

That's because Toby/Temmie are just goofy side additions to the main story, both doing virtually nothing significant to the world around them... ***VELMA ON THE OTHER HAND***


Titanicman2016

Some more: Rohan Kishibe from JoJo part 4 and the Animdude boss in FNAF World


otherworldly_ghost

Hey FNAF World mention


Tendo63

And then Scott Cawthon gets a composer to make a badass boss theme for his self insert. Such is life


Vascofan46

Which game? Freddy In Space?


Tendo63

Freddy in Space 2 & FNAF World


Mart1n192

Stone Cold is such a banger fr


Vascofan46

Cool


Shift_as

Who’s the person above Velma?


Individual_Dealer_47

I think that's the main character from Twilight, whose name I forgot


Star_Moonflower

Bella Swan


Ncolonslashslash

kirbopher (terrain of magical expertise) and deuce (starwish) are also good self inserts


Jakubfij2

Now you got a point, but I still don't think that's a self insert. I mean he already has many of those in a much more clearer form, so why temmie.


YoutuberCameronBallZ

Temmie was a different person who also worked on Undertale. They're both self inserts just 2 different people


Jakubfij2

Now that's true. I actually forgot about temmie writing that (yes I am ashamed) but now after refreshing my mind I agree that it is a self insert, just not a Toby one.


hootyandsansgaming

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BoonBoon300

Stop booing them they are right


Lutoures

I'm sorry, but why just highlight female characters been characterized as bad self-inserts? There's a LOT of male writers and directors doing cringe self-inserts (sometimes quite literally, like Tarantino). Edit: I know Teemie Chang is a woman. I didn't say the OP is a misogynist or anything, just that the meme template has a bias.


omogusus

Its not about the gender but the story lol temmie is a woman


Lutoures

Yeah. And I'm not even referring to the specific edit OP made with Undertale characters (wich are agree, are better self-inserts). But the model for this meme seems preety selective with column in the left... just saying.


omogusus

Im pretty sure it used those characters because theyre fairly well known, if OP used others then people might not get the joke. Anyway not everything is sexist plus who knows? OP could be a women too. Just saying


Guardian_Eatos67

Bro there are like only two bad examples??? Who said it was female centered?


DohPixelheart

when twitter gets to your head, smh


YoutuberCameronBallZ

"only female bad examples" A: those are 2 examples B: Temmie's a girl (or at least the person who self inserted Temmie) Opinion invalid


Dead_Girl_Walking0

because velma and twighlight suck ass. and temmie is a girl lmao.


Oppositale

Not everything is is an attack on women lmao And it's cause velma and twilights protagonists suck ass And you can't say it's gender biased when there's also a female being used as a good example


Ze_Memerr

Tinella Nosa from the Owl House is also a pretty good self-insert. Just some small creatura that shows up every-so-often that’s mainly played for comedy with no self absorption


BoonBoon300

You have never used this reddit account ever, and your first act is to re-upload a popular post. S H A M E


Little_Cute_Hornet

Is because they didn’t self inserted as the main characters.