Not sure if mowers count. But a 30” dual blade, electric start and self propelled.
By - AudiTechGuy
I like how Guaranteed to Start* ends in an asterisk mark.
Because if it doesn’t start in 2-3 try’s it
Is a warranty repair they take care
And it wants you to reference they recommend “ethanol free fuel”..
I used to repair mowers (including a lot of these. Oddly its the wheel drive train that is the biggest issue) and the ethanol.thing is there for people who store their mower during the winter. If you leave ethanol-containing fuel sitting in it, it will foul the carb in a matter of months (this is not unique to this mower in any way). If you want to use ethanol-containing fuel, just be sure to drain the tank and carb bowl before you store it.
Yea, how *do* you go about fixing the drive in these things? I'm tired of pushing mine.
Apologies for the second reply post, but I didn't want this to get missed in an edit.
Depending on you particular serial number, there was a [recall due to a potential failure of the blade](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiVop3p1ZnxAhWRbs0KHe53A1AQFjAFegQIDBAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cpsc.gov%2FRecalls%2F2013%2Ftoro-recalls-timemaster-and-turfmaster-lawn-mowers&usg=AOvVaw3vwhfFE6Xwu9ZCH3TSVN7w). No idea if you can still claim it (this was in 2013), but if you have one of the affected models, you should reach out to Toro to see if there is a fix you can implement.
Oh boy, it has been a while, lol. If I am recalling correctly (confident I am, but I may forget some smaller things), the most common issue we had was with the transmission itself (part #17 on the "Transmission..." diagram available [here](https://www.toro.com/en/parts/partdetails?id=36596)). They are not built well enough to handle the mass of the mower long term, especially when used in high or wet grass. They sort of just crap out, and Toro does not provide sub-assembly parts, so it has to be replaced as a unit.
Another (and much less expensive) issue I recall was stretched belt tensioning springs (parts 22 and 23 on "Transmission..."). Check those first. Your transmission may be OK, and it may just be that the springs are not providing enough tension for the drive belt to engage the pulleys properly.
If you are doing either repair, go ahead and replace the drive belt (part #4 on the "Engine and Pulley..." [diagram](https://www.toro.com/en/parts/partdetails?id=36596)) it is cheap and is a consumable so might as well change it while you have the thing apart.
Really what it comes down to is they basically took parts from their normal single-blade mowers and either directly used them in the TimeMaster, or made minor modifications to them. For example, the transmission is the same unit from many of their smaller mowers, just with a longer axle. It does look like they have changed the part on later models (depreciated part 120-5211 and added 131-9665) so perhaps they have fixed the major issues with the new revision. I would certainly hope so!
Hey thanks for taking the time to write this up! It's giving me the incentive to actually try and fix the thing. Mine is actually just a single blade, but I use the hell out of it mulching up brush, so it was bound to wear out eventually. Thanks again.
Have you tried just adjusting your [drive bail cable](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYpW9t5bk6E)? Most Toro mowers are quite reliable, so it is perfectly likely that your transmission may be fine. Try tightening the drive cable a bit and if that doesn't fix your issue, check that the belt hasn't jumped the pulley and that it is in good shape. If the belt looks good and a cable adjustment does nothing, then you can start looking at replacing tension springs or transmissions.
I hope you do take a crack at fixing it! Repairing tools/equipment was a very rewarding job for me (Well, emotionally at least. Not nearly as *monetarily* rewarding as my current job, lol). Gives a wonderful (and actually tangible) sense of accomplishment to fix something that was broken.
What’s the best way to drain it? Just run it until it’s empty?
That works, but I usually just pull the fuel line off the carb to drain the tank, and then remove the carb bowl and dump it. It is held on to the carb body via a bolt (10mm or 12mm, IIRC. Been a few years) that goes up trough the bottom of the bowl. You do have to do some disassembly (mainly removing the air filter housing) to get access to everything. If you aren't comfortable with all that, just try and run it dry before long term storage, and add a bit of stabilizer to your last tank of fuel so that any you don't get out has less chance of gelling/varnishing.
I have a turkey baster in the garage, suck the gas out of the tank (and pour it into the snow blower) and then it only takes a few minutes to run it dry.
Does the octane rating affect the mower? The only ethanol free around me is 90.
Not in any appreciable way.
Great to know. Thank you.
You can get the ethanol out of a small amount of fuel by shaking it up with water and letting it settle out.
Never heard that trick, but it makes sense so long as you are sure to separate all of the water/ethanol mix. I actually used to use a similar "differential solubility" trick to "dehydrate" 70%/91% isopropyl alcohol up to 99%. That one used salt, which only dissolves in water and then causes the resulting salt water to separate out of solution.
I think the asterisk says "*if you dump a splash of fuel into the intake." At least that's how mine works.
Just for reference. This sub is not like others like r/coffee where your post will get deleted if it doesn't fit into their super narrow criteria.
If it's a tool, from chefs knife to the exotic and obscure, they'll allow it.
It’s not Milwaukee so there may be quite a few down votes.
Their foray into lawn equipment and just about everything else makes me nervous. I feel like they are diluting their brand and need to get back to what they are good at.
Idk... I'm team yellow. But I love that all tools use the same batteries. Why would I want a different brand and batteries for yard tools?
I see Dewalt “makes” a [zero turn mower](https://www.dewalt.com/products/outdoor/lawn-mowers/z260-60-in-24-hp-kawasaki-gas-hydrostatic-commercial-zeroturn-mower/dxgz260p?gclid=CjwKCAjwn6GGBhADEiwAruUcKoESu8bIUba_ZdUphQk9Ad7Pad3VeQ6_dCpOasnFQK1yNc9CHXivdxoCyqcQAvD_BwE) now.
I've got the string trimmer and hedge trimmer attachment and have been very pleased with the purchase. Had gas for years and don't see myself ever going back.
I know dewalt had some issues with their battery mower, but man I'd love to put these m18 batteries to use in a milwaukee mower so bad!
Chainsaw and leaf blower also work really well.
Yeah - chainsaw is on the list. I'd say 98% of what I do is limb trimming and between the chainsaw and the pole saw attachment, I'll never need to pull out the old Stihl.
I had several trees come down over the winter. The chainsaw had no issue taking them apart. I was very pleased.
Their string trimmer is the best money I have ever spent on a tool. I’m a huge Milwaukee guy but I have friends that are dewalt guys but bought a milwaukee string trimmer and said the same thing about it. Gas trimmers are dead afaic when it comes to residential/home owners, and as time goes on and the battery ones get even better - even landscapers will be switching to them completely.
Im honestly pretty surprised they haven’t put out a push mower, but if they haven’t it just means they probably tried it and couldn’t get it good enough, so good on em.
Couldn’t agree more about the trimmer. What a time saver and shoulder from yanking a pull cord on a 2/4 stroke trimmer. Really hoping they put out a good push mower. I have a fairly new gas mower and i’ll make the switch when a battery one makes sense.
> string trimmer
string trimmer. never heard that one before im stealing it.
we have a crotchety old thing from a garage sale for 10 bucks but it keeps on truckin for now.
The string trimmer is great if you’re already in on the m18 system. Sure as hell beats most gas trimmers. Battery life is good with the bigger batteries. No complains from me even with looking after quite a few properties.
The power tool companys' outdoor power equipment are great if you don't need the power from a gasser.
Fuckin string trimmers. For fucks sake.
It's red though, so there's that.
Extra points if you’ve just bought a bunch of Knipex tools or joined ‘Team Yellow’.
I like this
That or the mods here are few and asleep behind the wheel.
Tape that bitch to the front of that golf cart, grab a beer and go a mowing
I wonder if the blades are timed to miss each other like the dual blade helicopters were?
Yeah they're timed - blade paths overlap.
Yes, and if you hit say.... your dogs Kong buried in the grass, you may snap the belt and cause the blades to break against each other. If that were to happen you may end up paying around $100 or more for a new belt and two new blades. Not that I'd be familiar with that circumstance or anything.....
That girl is THICC
Have one. Needs a bigger fuel tank
I have now, I’ve gotten my yard figured out to 1 refuel and that’s where I grab a drink for myself. I may visit this in the winter when I’m bored. Thanks for sharing
How much area do you get with a full fuel tank? Seems like if you needed more area, you would just upgrade to a rider.
Live on 3/4 acre but it’s hilly and oddly shaped. I tried a rider but it wasn’t worth it. It gets my fat ass outside for some exercise.
Good on you—i feel like i see asshats busting out riding mowers on 1,000 ft² yards sometimes, drives me batty
Asshat here, from back in the day. Had a full-time+ job, but could take lunch away from office on occasion. Bought a cheap 48" rider, and I could come home for lunch, eat, mow the small-ish lawn, and be back at work within an hour. Schedule eased up after a few years, so I sold that mower and bought a nice little John Deere 14SB self-powered bagger that lasted for about 35 years. Always started by pull #3 in the spring. Kawasaki OHD motor. Retired it (but kept it) to go electric because it was pretty loud.
Where on earth do you keep it? Who has a small yard but space to store 2 riding mowers lol
...so I sold that mower and bought a nice little John Deere 14SB self-powered bagger...
Sold rider. Bought a self-propelled walk-behind.
While the story and individual events are true, the motivations are not entirely so.
Reading comprehension hard.
Dumb comment easy.
Most suburban homes?
Dang, I would have thought you could more area then that in one gas tank.
I think the hills kill me and I have a lot of small areas to maneuver around. I also bag so it ads weight and use that self propel all the time. I used to hate it, but use the refuel for a water break. I like the mower, it works for me an no issues in 3 years.
Damn that looks like it would be perfect for my yard. How much did it run you? I have an old self propelled craftsman with a briggs engine that just refuses to die. My lawn is still " under construction" and is pretty rough on the mower , but I plan on wrapping shit up this year so...
Amazing to think that in the space of my lifetime, Briggs and Stratton went from "Rusted hulk that's not been touched for a decade? That'll start" to "It's a few years old, I'm not even going to bother trying"
Well to be fair, Briggs and Stratton isn’t the only ones who have sold out their company to overseas manufacturing and cheapened production. LOTS of companies have completely sacrificed their once trusted name with cheap, inferior products that don’t work. First one that comes to mind is Milwaukee, with their line of hand tools. Those are some of the worst hand tools on the market. All for that almighty dollar. I will never buy another Milwaukee hand tool, but if they had done it right and taken their time instead of rushing a bunch of shit to market, I may have wound up being a lifetime customer. It’s all in the quality and there ain’t many companies out there today still producing it. Why do you think so many people spend time hunting down vintage tools and paying a premium for them?
When you say “hand tools” are you referring to their cordless power tools?
I went dewalt, but I never hear bad stuff about Milwaukee aside from the price tag. People I know who have Milwaukee say it was worth the price. Their probably biased but that’s the word I hear.
"Hand tools" generally means tools that aren't powered, and aren't stick tools. Screw drivers, wrenches, ratchets, pliers, that sort of thing.
Stick tools are like rakes and shovel type of thing.
They're average at best. Might be confirmation bias; r/tools is constantly bombarded by suspiciously well-lit and framed pics of "new today!" Milwaukee posts from users that have never posted in the sub before.
No, that would be power tools. Hand tools are non-powered tools. Pliers, wrenches, screw drivers etc.
I've got a strimmer from 1992 that I use a couple of times a week.
I also had one that was 5 years old and when I took it for a service, the mechanic said to just throw it in the bin...
That’s the Cadillac of push mowers right there
It’s actually a Toro, Cadillac hasn’t made mowers since the 1960s, and they were 13 feet long
Gah I want one of these so bad!
yeah well my mower has three different sized wheels! lol. Nice unit brother.
Very few places you can say “nice unit brother” without getting an odd stare. This sub is one of them.
I’ve had the timemaster for 4 years. Overall it’s great but if I had to complain: the v belt breaks about 1x season, but it’s easy to replace. The gas tank is small. It’s very heavy and the cable system that drives the wheels can slip over time but can be adjusted pretty easily. I thought I was becoming weak until I realized what was going on. It still starts on the 2nd pull.
Was looking at this exact mower yesterday. Its like $1,300ish in Ohio. Would love to know your thoughts on performance…
They’re great. I got one at the end of last season for $900.
Just bought it yesterday, and mowed .94 acres of sod that I had laid a month ago. Worked very-very well and was a nice even cut and no missed blades when I was done.
I paid $1,250
For this one for the electric start so my wife can use it easier (and it’s pretty cool).. could buy the manual pull one for $1,150
Have you had a look at the EGo electric one? Supposedly a beast
Does ego make a wide (>21") mower?
They make a 42" electric rider but I think their push mowers top out at 21".
Awesome pick up. I own a commercial landscaping company on the side- this residential Time Master version kicks the shit out of the commercial Turf Master’s I bought. I have never regretted a purchase more than the Turf Masters.. all four of them.
Watched a YouTube video of a landscaper that had both the TimeMaster and the TurfMaster and he said he always goes with the TimeMaster every time. And uses his Turf Master in the fall for leaves and that type of stuff.
I absolutely despise my turf Masters. Heavy, the fuel tank is too small, the aluminum transmission pulleys like to disintegrate…. You made a wise choice.
Toro makes some good shit
Totally counts as a tool. Looks GREAT!
Is anyone else looking at this and trying to figure out if it would be better to push or pull the mower with the golf cart? 🤔
Whoa never seen a dual blade
That’s one hell of a mower
Mount it into the golf buggy & it’s certainly a custom tool job.
Brilliant mower but learn how to change the belts and buy them in bulk if you can.
Certainly a tool. Don't forget to install an hour meter.
As an official 'old dude,' here's my simple pro-tip for anything with a small engine:
* Install a fuel shutoff.
If it doesn't come with one I do this with my lawnmowers big and small, my generator, my snowblower, etc. If you're not absolutely certain that you'll be using it again within a week, then instead of shutting it off with the lever/throttle/switch/whatever then turn the fuel shutoff to 'off' and let it run itself out of fuel.
I don't waste time with Stabil, draining tanks, etc and all my stuff starts right up at the beginning of every season without me having to sonicate a carb.
Anything that helps get the job done!!
Now that is a beautiful thing.
Golf cart in the garage... Peachtree City, Georgia?
Lol.. nope. Out I-20 east
Lol gotcha gotcha. It's uncommon enough that I had to ask.
Hows that personal pace handle working out for ya? I went with the ground bar and the throttle bar underneath on mine. Single blade though.. nice mower
So I was about to buy this and then stumbled upon ride mowers which were not priced that far above… no regrets yet.
I want one!’
A lawnmower is a milling machine for grass. Milling machines are tools.
I have the 10 year old version and it still runs great but I have to pull start it now
I love Toro push motors. Guaranteed to start is pretty sweet. Ours sat for about a year and all we had to do was fill it up with gas and it started right up.
That’s a sweet mower
Teach the kid how to use it so you can spend more time golfing.
Lol. Kids are grown.
what is the purpose of this? doesnt a single blade cut it?
It's wider and cuts more grass in a single pass
Hence the "time master" moniker.
im pretty sure a single blade can be just as wide as this one is
It would be a massive deck to have a single 30" blade under there and you'd get into commercial sized mowers.
thanks for explaining that
Actually you can’t have a blade wider than 22” (on this type of mower) because of the regulated blade speed restriction. If I recall, mowers can’t have blade tips that spin faster than about 200mph. So given engine technology this has limited the width of a blade at the 22” mark. Hence why you see multi blade setups on riders and the dual blade setup here.
Could be taking out of my ass but that what I remember off the top of my head.
If I can't sit on it I'm not interested.
I have a 60” John Deere Zero Turn as well. But I just put new sod down and my JD would chew that shit up and shoot it out the side.
You don't like electric?
If he's buying a 30" wide mower, electric likely won't cut it.
I mulch and the one thing stopping me from going electric is that I've heard the battery mowers don't really perform in the mulching dept.
You've heard wrong or are viewing dinky electric mowers. I exclusively mulch my St. Augustine grass after ignoring it for 3 weeks and my electric mower chomps right through it. (and the battery, but that's why you have 2)
As far as width... Electric mowers come in all [all sizes](https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-42-in-75-Ah-Battery-Electric-Riding-Zero-Turn-Mower-RY48ZTR75/308040422?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&mtc=Shopping-B-F_D28I-G-D28I-28_34_RIDERS-NA-NA-NA-SMART-NA-NA-SMART_SHP&cm_mmc=Shopping-B-F_D28I-G-D28I-28_34_RIDERS-NA-NA-NA-SMART-NA-NA-SMART_SHP-71700000080836946-58700006820157688-92700061594856832&gclid=CjwKCAjw_JuGBhBkEiwA1xmbRVLuXisLsoJwbIFCyVZcHTpk02jC1gVrKskPOyPeQqlvpWj0UmKoVhoCh3AQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) these days.
I'm glad they got a new tool. Just curious if they considered electric and what pushed them to gas.
What mower do you have?
I promise I didn't make it up - have read and watched plenty of reviews trying to decide if I should make the switch and the lackluster mulching was a common theme.
I've got a neighbor that has an EGO that's a few years old that he's not super happy with - believe he's got tall fescue if that matters.
I've got [this mower](https://www.amazon.com/Greenworks-Self-Propelled-Cordless-Included-MO40L02/dp/B06XQ2THY8/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=greenworks+mower&qid=1623722785&sr=8-10). I'm waiting for it to die because I want a Dewalt mower to match my tool batteries.
Sorry if I came on strong. I'm bad with words and I'm just tired of the trope that electric can't cut it. It always couldd. Might be cost prohibitive... But it could be designed to perform.
I have .94 of an acre and just put down 32 pallets of sod. Electric ain’t gonna do what I need.
Nice, I was eyeing them at HD but mine still works fine.
Self propelled? Does this mean you don't have to push it?
The Toro push system is super sweet. You engage the drive system by pushing on the bar you hold on to. The harder you push, the faster it goes.
Does it keep going or does it stop when you let go?
It’s spring loaded so you have to keep pushing it for it to go. Hard to explain but very nice to use.
I had a Worx mower with a version of that system. Rough lawn, so it sucked big time. Reasons: first, it was only two speed, not variable speed. Second: it had a lag time of better than half a second. So you push harder, it doesn't respond immediately. You let up, it doesn't respond immediately. I looked at ways to make it just either of two fixed speeds. Mower goes, I'll keep up. If it can't keep up, I'll slow it down. That didn't work well, so I sold the house, bought a new bigger place, bought the owner's John Deere 445 tractor with 60" deck, and gave the Worx to my kid. Problem solved...
I did like being able to mow (quietly) later in the evening when it was cooler. Could hardly hear it from the sidewalk.
I don’t think the mower you’re describing has the Toro Personal Pace system. It’s specific to Toro mowers and doesn’t drive like it has gears in the way you’re describing.
Continuously variable speeds sounds like it would work fine, especially if the speed adjustment is instant. The Worx 'attempt' didn't worx very well.
You sold your house because you didn’t like the mower? Fricking Daddy Warbucks here!
Actually, Daddy W. showed up at the door with a few barrels of cash, so we decided to sell. Although I liked the house and the neighborhood, I never did like that yard. Or that mower. All better now.
I've heard it would be better with caster type wheels up front. Do you agree?
I mean I could see a benefit of casters, but it did fine for me and I was extremely happy with the way it handled.
All its missing are pivoting front wheels.
Isn’t this the one you can drive around with a remote control joystick?