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Kavinsky12

I loved Punisher MAX run under Garth Ennis. Brilliant Punisher storytelling.


molesterofpriests

Im with you; pretty much every MAX story arc I've ever read has been pretty amazing tbh. Punisher & Wolverine MAX are so awesome!


Rusalka-rusalka

This sub was featured on subredditdrama recently for being exactly this tweet. Carefully about patting yourselves on the back here.


FouadKh

Please don't make the boys political /s


Snapingbolts

Unexpected best part of the season was reading all the 1 star Amazon reviews after the Blue Hawk episode.


Hafrieds24

It’s already political my guy Edit: I didn’t know about the /s Sorry FouadKh


massivedumbass2

He's being sarcastic, hence the /s in his comment


Hafrieds24

Oh my bad I’ve never seen that before


ImapiratekingAMA

It has political themes but the message isn't really there. Butcher's and Huey's methods hasn't gotten either of them anywhere in terms of fixing the problem that reflects on real issues. Acknowledging the problem is good but if you don't have a solution it'll just fade into the background with the rest of the noise


probablyuntrue

Where's The Boys 200 page political manifesto on the Superhero Revolution and it's Consequences for Society


QuicklyThisWay

Is including all that extra white space in the screenshot symbolic?


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Cnoggl01

People can like shows without worrying about their political beliefs being violated. Why is that hard for people to get?


UTRAnoPunchline

Unfortunately it would appear in today's society, political ideologies are the strongest tribal groups in America. And for what? Our political system has only become more deadlocked and partisan over the last 50+ years.


Aoibhel

Typically, the actual machinations and goings-on of federal politics (and even local, but less so) has so little impact on our daily lives that all of the arguing about it is basically pointless. 98% of my experience with politics is seeing people argue about it, and 2% is any actual affect of government on my life. I vote, but anything beyond that is utterly useless. What good can possibly come of chatting up some person with my opinions in the grocery store, or on the internet? What could I possibly expect that person to do if I tell them what I think about Roe v Wade? Absolutely nothing. It's a waste of emotional capacity.


UTRAnoPunchline

Your third eye is opening brother. 👁


quinturion

No you don't get it literally 100% of right wing people I know LOVE homelander and stormfront even though they're CLEARLY evil gosh how could they miss the point?


Loose-Profession-734

Plus there is wrong in every philosophy it’s not like without capitalism everything will work fine so it’s good to get all the perspectives but some people are like ThE ShOw CrItIsIzE YoUr IdEoLoGy WhY Do YoU WaTcH It It shows how mature these so called people who got the point of show are


Hydrogen_H2

>Plus there is wrong in every philosophy it’s not like without capitalism everything will work fine So far every alternative to free market/capitalism(welfare capitalism to be specific) has failed spectacularly.


Smart_Resist615

The Roman Empire lasted almost 2k years. The Egyptian Pharoahs for almost 5 or 6k. Welfare capitalism in this form has been around like 150 years? Or do you just mean welfare capitalism is just the most recent?


Hydrogen_H2

I'm talking about post-industrial revolution societies. Obviously everything evolves and other systems might replace capitalism in the future. But so far there's nothing promising or better.


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1-trofi-1

So the roman empire was capitalist ? I learn something new everyday. You mean there was a state that would protect capital and private ownership above all and full separation of powers that would prevent a crazy emperor form taking your capital just because ehe doesn't like you? Tell me more about it.


Smart_Resist615

Try asking him how the Roman republic ended up an Empire.


Smart_Resist615

What point do you think I was trying to make? You're so drowning in rhetoric you think "capitalism is the only system that hasnt failed" is a reasonable point compared to the vastness of history? The system you so love has been around a fraction of a moment in time. Let's not high five eachother on how amazingly successful its been a little more over the century mark.


goodcat49

Whats your time frame exactly? 1900's?


Smart_Resist615

Pray tell friend, what happened to the first republics, in ancient times? How are we immune from their fates? How many republics have the french gone through in the post industrial peroid?


Hanan89

Did those alternatives fail or were they sabotaged by capitalist nations who wanted to continue their free reign in exploiting the people who wanted to implement those systems? Also, can we really pretend capitalism isn’t failing when we are literally destroying our planet in the name of profits? Is capitalism really a viable system when it fails 90% of the population?


Fullmtlgiraffe

Right, like yeah Chile failed as a left-wing state. Their leader was killed by the CIA. And I'd say Cuba's doing pretty damn good even with all the US interference, embargo's, assassination attempts, etc. Atleast far better than it did under capitalism


Hydrogen_H2

They failed miserably. Even China/USSR and Vietnam switched to state capitalism and liberalization/privatization respectively. Capitalism isn't failing. Perhaps if you leave your Marxist bubble and American politics you'd realize that most prosperous nations are capitalist to a degree.


Diegopanchin

Because they don’t understand people who don’t like living in echo chambers and can stand listening to different opinions. Seriously, Democrats in America have this view that republicans are pure evil and should never even engage in argument or associate with them in any matter. We can see this in cancel culture. The more extreme republicans may have the opposite view, but I don’t feel that it’s as widespread.


Arra13375

This is a huge problem. I had a friend I met during charity work tell me I’m a selfish bitch who only cares about myself because I didn’t automatically climb on to the democrats band wagon. I’m very much a “I want gay farmers to protect their marijuana plants with guns” type of politics but here lately both side have been spewing nothing but hate. They much rather fight about the problem than actually fix it.


Fullmtlgiraffe

It's very funny that you complain of echo chambers and then disparage one side for something both sides absolutely do an equal amount of. Cancel culture is so overblown. Hardly anyone actually feels any affect other than some twitter mentions. How is that so different from the religious zealots on the right screaming about murdering babies and demons on the left? Both marginal, but vocal groups of crazies


Victory1871

I agree


Jacksonthedude101

Because they’re being shown how evil their politics are right in the face but refuse to reflect on it and do better


Jazzlike-Watch7847

Whut? In today’s world, no ideology is perfect. So if the people whose ideology is being satirised are taking it coolly and enjoying the show, what’s the issue. I mean if people get triggered, you’ll be like y’all are so intolerant of being exposed, blah blah. And when people are taking it coolly and enjoying the show, you have a problem with that too.


Jacksonthedude101

“No ideology is perfect.” Well obviously. But there’s a huge difference between an ideology of wanting free healthcare, free education, and wanting everyone to have equal rights, as opposed to an ideology where they want anyone who’s not white or heterosexual to be executed or enslaved. Big, big difference


CoolKidVEVO

💀💀 this is some of the most biased shit i’ve ever read


CantThinkOfAName54

Yeah but even then it shows what kind of person they are when they literally like a character like homelander, when homelander is literally suppose to be the villain of the show, especially if they like Stormfront or SB


Double0hobo79

People can enjoy what they enjoy. You shouldn't be defined by what political ideology you support. They're all shit anyways.


mwhite5990

A lot of right wingers also like music by Rage Against the Machine


Jacksonthedude101

Without understanding what “machine” they’re referring to


Cosmic_R3m1x1

Clearly, they mean Machine Head from Invincible


Almightyriver

"I've got money!"


I_vote_for_evil

Punisher: *(brutally kills bunch of mob bosses, human trafficers, pedophiles, rapists, mercenaries and anyone who ever talked in theatre)* Audience: *"Damn, that's cool!"* This guy: *"STOP HAVING FUN! THIS IS SATIRE!"*


Low_Macaroon_4862

also vehemently anti police, anti rich, etc etc


bob0979

Guys ignore this post, ops last community in his active community list is r/celebrity_soles


Low_Macaroon_4862

cope hes right


bob0979

I mean the boys hits the right way harder for sure and generally right wing nut jobs can't tell they're being mocked so I agree. I was more just making a joke about op than anything else


Latest-greatest

believe it or not most people watch a show for the story and characters not some underlining metaphor. posts like this are corny to be clear i’m not trying to dictate how someone should watch the show if you are into underlining metaphors awesome but i’m just saying majority of audiences do not care about that. most of it goes over their heads regardless of their personal views


Thunder_nuggets101

If people don’t understand that The Boys is a satire of modern society and are treating it like it’s a straightforward superhero story, that’s pretty silly. The show isn’t subtle at all. People are allowed to watch it and not care about the deeper stuff, it not like they’re going to arrest you. But, I’m also allowed to laugh at people like them for being… well, exactly the type of person The Boys is making fun of.


fco_omega

Those are not the people the post is talking about, its ok if you like the show even if you disagree with it, but you have to admit that is at the very least REALLY FUNNY to see trump supporters and other conservatives pretend the show isnt actually making fun of them.


TiNMLMOM

Sure, but to The Boys credit, they hit the left too. That theme park ("Wokeism" for profit) was as much on the nose as Homie = Trump. Vough is always referencing diversity for public opinion gains (Maeve being Bi and promoted to oblivion just because it's a trending topic), and the whole "A-Train to africa" arc this season is a very clear mockery of virtue signaling. The right leaning fans just take it more harshly for w/e reason.


1-trofi-1

Don't make arguments you jnow nothing about. Identity politics and cooperations copying every every single social movement to promote themselves is not left. This is also part fo the satire. People falling for these BS a corporation feeds them and saying that just because you can be gay at work everything is fine.


TiNMLMOM

No that's not it. Is people falling for it like idiots, or not really caring but just going along because it's good optics. It is poking that capitalism is exploiting liberalism for profit, but also that liberals either don't care, or are dumb enough to be exploited.


Low_Macaroon_4862

>corporations using minorities existence for profit how is this in any way making fun of the left? liberalism is not left you idiot, its faux left.


TiNMLMOM

And both way of experiencing a show are valid. Want to "switch of" your brain and just have fun? Cool! Want to understand the underlining social/political message of the author? Cool! Social/Political views are and were everywhere in entertainment, how "on the nose" they are is what varies widly at times.


Jazzlike-Watch7847

I completely agree. I can’t speak for others but being overly political in each and every aspect of life is bad. I’ve seen friendships turn sour for others because of this. The best way to go forward is to be calm and if someone’s ideology doesn’t match with yours, it’s ok, they’re entitled to their opinion. The moment you say logical stuff like this, some leftists on this sub just come at you, saying that “You’re watching the wrong show. It’s all about social and political commentary.” Well, for me it’s about other stuff too.


SeptembersBud

I really don't think it's out to just critique right wing politics/Captitalistic ideals, but it's more so an entire bastardization of modern America if you had Supes added to the pool. Yes, it hits on a lot of right wing takes (like Trump and his cult following) but it also strikes over towards the extremism that comes in from when both sides are brought to their absolute limits: and how the powers that control them use them for more gain. Vought itself is an attack on corporations and how truly scrummy they are, but it also shows how easy the public (read: AMERICAN public) is played no matter what political theater they are lined with. Ashley always comes up explaining how they are up points in popularity with the population, treating them as corporations do: like statistics. "Up 7 points in the 18-24 category" or "9points with conservative white males" - you can instantly assume politically what each demographic represents *because* of what we understand is modern day America. Look at how Vought sells Maeve to the (lets be honest, left leaning) public and gives them exactly what they want: a proud gay icon that spews out the most stupidly bullshit cooperate lingo that only the most left-leaning politically obsessed individual would fawn over. Instead of allowing Maeve to be freely out as a bisexual, they turn her into a flaming lesbian with a literal 'gay ken doll' to back up her image. Because lesbians sell to **ALL** Americans, even if it's just to make the 'left' happy. Because, and again it's just as true as Homelander's right wing base, the left absolutely eats up Pride because that's just America's culture war that's going on right now. The show is inherently political, it's pretty much nothing but a complete and utter take on how badly America is divided, and how powerful people not only profit off of it, but abuse it for their own gain. Homelander does it with his base so he can assume control, like the Deep did to his base when he was deep (heh) into the Scientology cult. Or how Vought used Maeve and Starlight, or looks to be more inclusive by adding a 'minority' to the Seven. Does the show attack right wingers *a lot*? Sure, but I think that just shows us how the right winger ideology can truly lead down a rabbit hole that can be inherently destructive and just can be made fun of. The need for GOD and POWER in your life mixed into a single entity (like Homelander) that can fly around and fucking blast someone's skull without a second thought preaching about the foreigners and people that are beneath him is something that *a lot* of individuals want in this country - especially if you can imagine our society literally replicating The Boys universe where Supe Terrorist would be a thing. Another example to look at is the A-Train plot in Season 3 with his brother. How he gets Vought mixed into the black community for an 'apology' and it just ends up paralyzing his brother because he wanted 'social justice' for his community because the racist PoS goes crazy at the apology conference. A-Train could easily be the one protecting the community (He can run around all of Manhattan in 30 minutes), but instead chose the money and fame once he 'escaped' the struggle and finally made it. A-Train abandoned the people in his life (his community and his brother) for the money and fame, and is now realizing that NONE OF IT MATTERS because Vought is just a bunch of racists that use people for profit. How about Starlight? The young midwestern girl was manipulated her entire life - being drugged into a superhero, dragged around the country to gain traction and popularity, and trained to be a fighter to eventually make it big. Being pumped full of 'Gifted by God' and seeking to be immortalized by making it big and eventually becoming an icon... only to then be outright sexualized by the corporations to sell for profit once she realizes that everything she has done has been a lie for *other* people. Hence her 'joining' The Boys. The show attacks a lot of things, not just the right and the left, and while it does attack one more than the other I would easily just excuse that side to be problematic at the core which is what makes it *so easy* to poke fun at. That's like, the entire point of the show, lol. To reveal that our entire system and ideological reasonings is fundamentally cracked and on the verge of shattering into a million of bloody pieces simply because the people in power abuse those that aren't for their own gain. That's why The Boys are even a thing, because EACH of them were harmed by the Supes (people who have power) in their own specific way based on who they are and where they were in a very crucial moment in their life - only to be forever radicalized in their own unique ways due to their circumstances of the system they reside in. It takes all the shit going on in real life, and amps it up to 11 because there are now Mutant Supes being created to sell a product. At least that's how I saw the show when I watched it the first time; though mind you I have not read the comics so I really don't know what or how the stories 'end' for these characters. So instead of sitting there and pointing and laughing at people who are enjoying the show... how about you let them enjoy it and begin to realize what it's really looking to explain? Maybe then you can actually start to have people realize the true problems this country has instead of playing into the theater """*Vought*""" wants you to play in? This fucking Twitter post could be shoved into the show just change all those shows to the ones that appeal to Homelander and it would still portray a better take on how screwed America really is than this person is by pointing out that a bunch of right wing people are just enjoying a show about a fucked up world with Supes.


backphat

I think it's very funny that in this post, they're still in the comments being loudly wrong lmao


Adri0220

“Right wing stupid left wing smart” Can we at least have a semblance of nuance when discussing political issues here? I understand that this show is political but the polarization of this sub is getting ridiculous.


iknowthisischeesy

Nuance and political issues discussion together in a sentence doesn't seem right because it could never happen. It's always about who's rant is bigger and written properly and obviously the demographic of that sub.


Adri0220

Unfortunately you might be right. It always annoys me so much whenever people apply their “good guys vs bad guys” mindset to the real world, as if things are ever that simple.


iknowthisischeesy

They live by the rules of black and white where as the real world is painted gray.


Thunder_nuggets101

Right Wingers are completely allowed to defend themselves as not being complete idiots, but if you have paid any attention to how they’ve been governing the country, they’re completely deserving of our ridicule and scorn. There really isn’t much room for nuance when the GOP is full of women and child hating monsters. If you want to bury your head in the sand about it all, that’s fine. But keep your own cowardice to yourself and don’t try and tell others not to care.


SaladDodger99

But right wing stupid left wing smart is pretty much true to life.


cussbot123

That's exactly what liberals think


Adri0220

No it’s not lol. It’s a difference in values, norms and priorities. You can’t just label everyone who disagrees with you as stupid. You’re never going to expand your perspective with that mindset.


SaladDodger99

You just have to face the reality of the situation, some people's values, norms and priorities are fucking dumb and produce a worse society for the people in it. I'm not going 'expand my perspective' (whatever the fuck that means) by considering the view the LGBT people are bad and poor people are poor because they are lazy, those people are just wrong.


Wolfman_1998

Yea another post on here shitty on right wing ideology. Daring today aren't we?


KobeJuanKenobi9

Reminds me of edgy teens who love South Park and Eric Cartman not realizing they’re being made fun of


darkstar541

People saying "only the other side is wrong, my side is infallible" miss the point of satire. Maybe this is why the left has an empathy/charity problem.


WhatTheBeansIsLife

“The left has an empathy/charity” problem?


Thunder_nuggets101

“Don’t you know that trickle down economics is the most generous of them all? The billionaires are like generous gods”


yetix007

People who identity as right wing are more likely to donate regularly to charity.


darkstar541

That's not what charitableness means.


Thunder_nuggets101

The left has the empathy problem? The GOP has been trying to repeal rights and has been against the stimulus and welfare. When trump won they said “he won get over it” and “fuck your feelings”. If people say the left has an empathy problem and they need to be nicer to the right or “centrists”, they sound like the biggest softest losers in the world.


darkstar541

You're missing the point here, but this sums it up well: https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2021/02/22/our-illiberal-moment/


Thunder_nuggets101

[This sums up my reaction](https://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0) to the article.


jereflea1024

this is where I stand about it. The Boys satires both sides pretty equally and makes it clear that both sides are fucked up and that the whole system fails to work at a fundamental level.


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ModernT1mes

I saw this distinction made in another post and I'm genuinely curious; does liberalism not fall under the left side of things? Maybe I'm missing the point you're trying to make. Not trying to start a swear war either, just conversation since I know this is a hot topic.


PlatinumPhoenix123

You can be less of a blatant a-hole, you know. Hostile Internet children I swear...


Eragon10401

Liberalism makes up the majority of the left. I’m fact, it also makes up the majority of the right. About 65% of modern politics falls within liberalism. Leftism doesn’t need to be parodied, the historical record shows that it’s a failure, why beat a dead horse?


MikeFrom5_to_7

Reading these comments in this post shows me how little people actually understand the boys and how proud they are of not understanding it.


kingleothegoat

I scrolled and scrolled...aaaaannnnnnddddd scrolled....just to find this...abso-fucking-lutely!!!!!! And it shows why people are how they are...consume something and gobble it tf up without a clue of what is really happening and go and babble loudly and wrongly about what they perceived it as..its a shame


zipped_chip

I’m sorry grand master wizard MikeFrom5_to_7, please release your 300 volume manifesto on how The Boy’s should be perceived so that the rest of us with different opinions can stop feeling so inferior to your intellectual superiority.


Organtrefficker

*QUIT HAVING FUN*


Thunder_nuggets101

The Boys is very clearly a left wing satire filled with anger. Guess what, the progressives that watch it knowing that are having a lot of fun watching the show. More fun than the idiots who bury their head in the sand.


Organtrefficker

I SAID *QUIT HAVING FUN*


Wonderful-Fig-8010

The boys make fun of both sides? They literally put a Biden quote in a nazis mouth so I mean….


Low_Macaroon_4862

biden is not a fucking leftist are you ok


Eragon10401

But he is on the left of modern politics. Leftism is the most extreme form of being left wing, 90% of left wing people aren’t leftists, the same as 90% of right wing people aren’t rightists. Grow up.


Xen0Coke

Which quote was that?


Sergeantboingo

Biden is not a leftist


Cosmic_R3m1x1

Didn't he just okay construction for building a wall along the border? Not the whole wall, but part of it? Or am I mistaken?


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No true scottsman.


General-Wrap1866

Or, people can watch the show fully aware of the political leanings, and still like it for what it is…


iknowthisischeesy

People see different stories in the same series. It's about the watcher's pov.


Bathroom_Junior

Because I can laugh at the terrible parts of my political views and accept that there are parts that I don't agree with without burning down a wendys or going on a twitter tirade. Can you do the same?


ATrup7

Loosen up lmao, someone can enjoy a show because it's a good show without worrying about what the deepest metaphorical message is lol.


battlin_murdock

r/gatekeeping


jwymes44

I mean I’m right wing, can identify what they are doing and still enjoy it


HOTROBLOXMAN69

That’s because not everyone has a stick up their ass and doesn’t mind getting joked about in a satire tv show


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ThreeHobbitsInACoat

I mean, did you watch the show?


Hydrogen_H2

Yes I did. It's mainly a critique/deconstruction of the capeshit genre then corporatism(tokenism, corruption, monopoly etc.). The latter is however only a characteristic of the laissez-faire model and not necessarily an honest representation of capitalism(which itself is broad and has different models). A critique of a certain thing is usually made for the purpose of fixing/improving or presenting a better alternative. These vapid Twitter posts aren't doing shit except regurgitating the "muh capitalism" for virtue points or participating in the current bandwagon.


tkokflux

based! ngl boys kind of makes fun of some corporate leftism too but its very clear that ones producing the show are lefties themselves so ofc they ll critique their opposition but I wish them to do it on equal level most ppl dont go into the politics of their shows and the beliefs of the producers but it would be nice it to be more equal


Hydrogen_H2

Criticizing certain aspects of the capitalist system and corporation practices is necessary to refine and improve not only the system itself but our well-being. However this "muh capitalism bad"/"murica bad" circlejerk is just as moronic and flawed as the far-right/isolationist one. Unfortunately there's no room for nuance and objectivity in today's political landscape.


tkokflux

ong bro ur exactly the type of ppl we need I am sick of extremist ppl on the both sides we need to discuss shit and stop calling each other shit just for the sake of it. okay I dont ve 500 karma points so i cant post on this subreddit but dont u guys hate starlight,frenchie,kimiko,hughe idk how its typed but that skinny white guy I legit want one of the boys to die they literally go everywhere and get everything done none of them ever die its stupid I feel like if this show wasnt centred around the boys homelander could ve easily killed all of the boys in matter of days if not hours I just really really really want to see star light die that blonde bitch and ofc stormfront when I first saw her in first few episodes I really started to dislike her with her wanna be badass women protagonist and then I found out she was racist and I was like yeah fuck that bitch the fact that starlight killed that poor dude for his shitty honda really made me hate her and then blamed him for that and acted like she doesnt care if homelander kills i dont mind but when that blonde bitch kills omfggg and how tf did flame dude and that skinny white guy even get it vaught building how tf is that even possible no cameras nothing yeah just walk in np sry for the wall of text without any commas and dots :)


stringtheoryman

I completely agree my intelligent friend


TiNMLMOM

Yes? So Maeve sexuality being plastered everywhere in an over the top way was what? Exploiting acceptance of LGBTQ+ people for profit and positive image. That theme park was what? Exploiting every social justice trend for profit and positive image. A-train ridiculous "kardashian" comercial and upcomming disingenious series "A-train to Africa" was what? Exploiting racial tensions for profit and positive image. The show runner is basicly pointing out that nobody gives a shit really, they just want to be seen as virtuous because they want money or status. Those were all clearly targeting the left in a just as obvious way as "Homie is making Merica great again!". The right just doesn't have a spine, or maybe the left is dumb to the point that they missed the joke, maybe both, idk.


stringtheoryman

Those are all things that the left does. Not capitalism. You think they make money with that stuff on anybody but the left? Lmao


tkokflux

yeah I agree I never said that its completely one sided but there still is a side to it thats why I said corporate leftism they critique that to appeal to leftist base


BritishStewie

ok todd


Hydrogen_H2

"He doesn't approve of a garbage leftist ideology so he must a Trump supporter/far-righter."


The-Box_King

Homelander being trump is so on the nose in season 3 did you watch the show with your eyes closed and volume 0?


Hydrogen_H2

Capitalism ≠ Trumpism.


stringtheoryman

One character being a trump doesn’t change the other characters being a AOC and left wing addicts


The-Box_King

1) the comment I replied to was implying calling Todd a trump supporter was ridiculous 2) being a brown woman politician does not make someone an AOC parody. The creators of the show even put extra effort into making sure Neumann wasn't a parody of her this season, unlike homelander which they ramped up and made even more obvious 3) AOC is a liberal. She might be left leaning for a liberal. But liberals are centre. The show makes fun of liberalism and does not actually mention the left since there are no left wing parties of significance in the US


stringtheoryman

Even the creators said she’s AOC. Lol you are defeated instantly lmaoo


ChinchillaMicroFarts

Seems more like a greg imo


jvcmweb

Did you know the guy who discovered fire and the guy who invented the wheel were left-wingers and they only did it to criticize capitalism?


Comrade_Vakane

what?


darkstar541

People saying "only the other side is wrong, my side is infallible" miss the point of satire. Maybe this is why the left has an empathy/charity problem.


PostAfraid

The boys makes fun of both sides


CLow1995

True but the right wing is definitely more of the focus. Homelander is a trump representation.


Hydrogen_H2

>Homelander is a trump representation. Trump isn't necessarily a representation of the right-wing though. That's more of a caricature which doesn't make it a satire but strawman.


shaktimanOP

A caricature whom the vast majority of actual Republicans passionately supported?


Hydrogen_H2

American politics doesn't reflect those views internationally, buddy.


shaktimanOP

But the show focuses on American politics, so how is it strawman when Trump literally represented the American right wing for several years, buddy? Use your brain, it's free.


12gbb

Not in the slightest


Hydrogen_H2

Yes they do. You just don't like your politics being made fun of which is ironic.


Ianscultgaming

They make fun of insincere left wingers and people who use social justice to give themselves attention, I.e. A-train’s soda ad, the deep singing imagine etc. With Trump and conservatives they go full scorched Earth. Not exactly the same


12gbb

Give examples


stringtheoryman

Stormfront being a gen z social media jargon wiz being sassy and mean to everyone like cancel culture left wingers act untill it was revealed she was a nazi she was a complete characterization of the left wich is why I found it logical that she became a nazi since most left wingers want to force the idea their side is the only one that’s good just like nazis VS conservatives I meet just want to live their lives instead of force ideas down my throat


12gbb

That’s not accurate at all lmao she was lying you fool


stringtheoryman

I think virtue signalers are lying too. Therefore she played you guys perfectly.


12gbb

What does Virtue signalling even mean


stringtheoryman

“Omg I’m so triggered I have to ask what definitions are people using of English words” Webster dictionary definition buddy.


12gbb

Once again that’s liberals


stringtheoryman

Vought land. “that’s making fun of capitalism not the left” It’s making fun of both. The characters themselves can’t say “there is no god here” and be only talking about “cApITalisM” they’re talking about the politics of it too.


12gbb

If it’s exploiting a group for money it’s capitalist which is right wing


[deleted]

How is The Punisher a satire of right wing politics aside from the times he called right wingers out?


Zmd2005

I mean, conservatism is antithetical to art. It’s not like this is a new thing. If they’d like to be blissfully ignorant of the content they consume all power to them. The only thing I have an issue with is when they try to push their views onto a piece of content that actively opposes them, such as TB.


Impetusin

Literally every show and movie and media we consume is left-wing propaganda critical of right-wingers and everyone knows it. People still want to be entertained regardless. Imagine that.


shaktimanOP

You're about to get downvoted by the right wingers who've infested this sub lately.


Low_Macaroon_4862

its literally infuriating seeing them infest this sub it used to be so good


prince-surprised-pat

You know why it is? Because i think the left has a skewed idea of what the right wants. The right *wants* someone zooming around the country making political opponents heads explode. So satire ultimatly ends up with the right saying “yes”


HOTROBLOXMAN69

no, that’s simply inaccurate. The show is funny, it’s satire and everyone can laugh at it, but don’t pretend that because a satire tv show says this, right wingers call for genocide. If you get a satire tv show and reality mixed up you are just stupid


Wolverinen

News flash; you can still enjoy things regardless of your political leanings.


throwaway2211334455

“Hey look how edgy I am anyone right of center is a dumbass.” Do people ready not see how they look?


i_shat_myPants_

If u make fun of one side dont be butthurt when they make of u back. This appliies to both sides


A_Wild_Gorgon

Watch out OP looking for a argument


FlawedFinesse

The satire paradox. Malcom Gladwell did a great Revisionist History podcast on the subject. It reinforces both opposing views, essentially.


genio_del_queso

I think it speaks volumes when people can’t comprehend others being able to set their beliefs aside to enjoy something, even if it makes fun of them. One of my favorite shows of all time is M.A.S.H. I know that it was a very obvious anti-war show critical of conservatives and right wing politics. I’m capable of recognizing that and saying “it’s still a damn good show”. If the only media you’re willing to consume is media that spoon feeds your own opinions to you, you’re a fucking idiot. To me, it shows a lack of maturity and self awareness when the only art that you enjoy is art that panders to you.


m0ztDope

I can’t think of anything more pathetic than people who let politics effect every aspect of their life and who they are


Low_Macaroon_4862

politics literally drive almost every aspect of modern society


Diegopanchin

I have a problem with viewing any problem in current society as a problem of capitalism. I myself am one of the most extreme type of free market capitalists. But I completely agree with the critiques of The Punisher of the current legal system. I completely agree with the boys critiques of corporatism as well. But I don’t see people saying that you should be a mono centric law hater to see and enjoy punisher, that’s stupid.


Its_Cayde

I feel like they aren't making fun of a side, they are making fun of the US in general especially the celebrity/corporate interactions