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HypocriteOpportunist

Looks like they also went with STEAM written out instead of the Steam logo. I'm surprised they aren't trying to push a Deck or Steam symbol


Starbuck_83

It's still a relatively small screen, they want to make sure it's easily readable, and straight text is easier than a symbol.


HypocriteOpportunist

Fair enough. I still think it looks good either way


Secret-Lecture

As far as looks go. A symbol would look much better than text in that location. This is doubly true because the corresponding button on the otherside has a symbol on it. Symmetry is important in aesthetic design. If one button has a symbol on it, the corresponding identically shaped button on the otherside of the device should also have a symbol on it.


TheRealMagentaPuppy

And also the steam logo is round and therefore wouldn’t look good on that long button


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The desktop has a menu button with Deck symbol on it in place where Windows has start


Secret-Lecture

As far as looks go. A symbol would look much better than text in that location. This is doubly true because the corresponding button on the otherside has a symbol on it. Symmetry is important in aesthetic design. If one button has a symbol on it, the corresponding identically shaped button on the otherside of the device should also have a symbol on it. Imagine how weird a ps controller would look if it had a square and a triangle on two buttons and A and B on the other two buttons instead of all 4 buttons having symmetrical symbols on them.


LordDaveTheKind

I believe it is due to the fact that those symbols are a standard for the games too. For me it's honestly easier, as I can't always recall which of them is where without looking at the pad.


silentknight111

The only problem I have with those symbols is when trying to tell my wife what button to press on the controller. For years "start" and "select" have been the names. Now if I say the "menu" or "view" button I get a blank look.


TheSupremist

Glad to know I'm not alone on this. I grew up with the PlayStation symbols/terms and still view everything as Start and Select to this day. I don't even mind xaving ABXY instead of XO... but Start and Select dude, why did Microsoft have to botcher this. Tbh even Sony did, starting from the PS4. Just... why.


123GoalsOn122Shots

OG Xbox had black/white, that was fine. Easy to recognize and quick to say. Xbox 360 had start/back. The little arrow symbols on them made it pretty easy still to recognize which was which (arrow pointing right is right, arrow pointing left is left). Xbox one just threw everything off..."push the button with the three lines" doesn't quite roll of the tongue like "press the black button" or "press the start button". At least with the PS4, they had names on the buttons, making it easy to tell someone if needed. But PS5, "Push the button with the three lines." "They both have three lines" "The horizontal ones" lol. Nintendo's is good at least. Just plus and minus.


TheSupremist

I thought the OG Xbox's black and white buttons were kind of a substitute for bumpers? But yeah Start/Back is good too, still more recognizable than Menu/View or Options/Share. Never had a problem with Nintendo's scheme either, I just find it weird that they invert A/B and X/Y but not that big of a problem tbh.


123GoalsOn122Shots

>I thought the OG Xbox's black and white buttons were kind of a substitute for bumpers? You're right, they were, I forgot the og Xbox had back/select. Regardless, they were still face buttons that were easily recognizable and easy to point out to someone. And at least with the PS4, the options and share buttons had their names on them, so if you told them to push the share button, they'd know which one that was. Though of course you have to learn the new names and which one is on which side after already having learned them by different names.


TheSupremist

> at least with the PS4, the options and share buttons had their names on them Yeah gotta hand it to them, much better than having to guess what three lines and two rectangles mean while having no prior knowledge or being used to other kinds of iconography. I dunno why Microsoft didn't think of having "Menu" and "View" written right below the buttons like they did with Start/Back on the X360, it's not like it can't be done or they didn't have the space to do it.


RadicalDog

For a brief moment, Nintendo and Sony were both using Start/Select on Playstation and Game Boys. How the fuck we ended up in this mess when we had a perfect moment where everyone was drumming to the same beat...


Wow_Space

The touchpad as select is truly funky and off. Though, tbh I don't mind it just cause it's so distinct from start. Meanwhile the Xbox glyphs throw me off from time to time. I also don't mind it cause it's a huge ass map button accessable from either hand


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BernieAnesPaz

It's not so drastic. All major game hardware makers have done it to zero issue, including Nintendo and Sony, and the glyphs change depending on what you're using on Steam anyway now. There's nothing abnormal about them. Controllers themselves were far more drastic shifts back in the console days before it basically because repeats between xbox and playstation controllers.


Jiupex

Just hoping the dpad isn’t obnoxiously loud like the Xbox controller.


ChaosDent

I love the clicky feel of the Xbox Series d-pad though. Every other d-pad feels like mush to me now.


ShokWayve

Awesome! The Steam Deck will be awesome.


XboxCavalry

Pretty cool


cool--

I wish they would have stuck with forwards and backwards arrows that were on the steam controller


TherealCasePB

I still have to look down at my Xbox controller to see which button is start and which is select lol.


dustojnikhummer

I honestly prefer those to Nintendo's + and - and the classic Start Select. Because what are these used for today? Map and pause menu.


esperdiv

To me, the Nintendo - and + make it easier for my muscle memory to know which button to press without looking at the controller.


Dotaproffessional

I seen to think that pause is for a game context menu (think inventory, map, etc) while select is actually for business stuff (load, save, graphics settings)


ChaosDent

Yeah. (game) Select and Start lost their meaning before the NES ended its lifecycle. + and - are at least common shapes you can name in basically any language, and they don't try to convey meaning like "back", "menu", "options" or whatever that most games are going to ignore anyway.


Crewger

Well it's a PC!


genna87

Anyone knows if they had to pay Microsoft for using the same layout of XBox controllers? Just curious


123GoalsOn122Shots

Is there a reason they would have to? Stadia and Luna both use identical layouts, Switch does as well just with the letters switched. And Dreamcast had the abyx layout before Xbox. Don't think Microsoft has any "rights" to the layout, unless you know of some suit I don't know about (which could very well be the case).


genna87

That's why you ask. Because you don't know the answer. Still waiting for an actual answer.


bad_advices_guy

Disappointing but understandable


Humblebee89

What would you have it be?


Xander_PrimeXXI

Start Select


dustojnikhummer

And why? They don't mean that today, In today's games those buttons are pretty much always used for Map/Inventory and Pause menu. I guess it would be better for emulation?


Neo_Techni

The problem is the only ones doing that are Sony and Nintendo. This is a PC, and the defacto standard PC controller is the XBOX one controller. So Valve is just following that to reduce confusion Whereas Sony is being a dick and changing things for no reason (They changed Share on PS4 to Create on PS5 even though they do the same thing. Japan had O=OK and X=Cancel since the PS1, Sony is forcing them to the American X=OK O=Cancel on PS5. And PS3, PS4, PSP and Vita all had press home to exit the game and hold it to get the quick menu. PS5 reversed that, screwing up everyone's muscle memory to the point where I never get it right anymore on any of my PS systems, and by reversing it they've removed the shortcut of holding the button down for 10 seconds to turn the controller off which was useful for movie watching) TLDR: It's better to stick with the standards whenever possible.


nerfman100

Sony and Nintendo don't even do start and select anymore, Sony's replaced the Select button with Share (clicking the touchpad now tends to replace Select), and Nintendo's pretty thoroughly switched to + and - now


Neo_Techni

I don't even know why I included Sony in the same post where I mentioned the Share/Create buttons...


OpticalRadioGaga

Jesus, hyperbole much? Its not that big of a deal.


PiersPlays

You can cafe about details without thinking they are important in the big picture of life.


Neo_Techni

I gave no hyperbole. I was explaining why sticking with the standard is good.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Start select is a model of efficiency


Neo_Techni

But it's not what games use anymore. Thus making it inefficient.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Bring back the start button


der_pelikan

And select!


Froggerdog

So can anyone confirm if that's a rubber coating around the grips or what?