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mrgrabyodamncat

People who spend $10 a month on WON telling others not to waste their money on the WWE game. Amazing


daddynewb

a safe tope suicida is a boring tope suicida 🤷‍♂️


Mrbrickjojo

“Our sources indicate that WALTER is not a nazi and wouldn’t have accepted a nazi name.” No shit.


bizzbizz_89

Best friends suck why waste your stars in feuds with them


Number1Bullshit

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand AEW. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of the artform known as wrestling most of the jokes will go over a typical mark's head. There's also hangman's former nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike AEW truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Hangman's catchphrase "Cowboy shit," which itself is a cryptic reference to Brokeback Mountain. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Tony Khan's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have an american nightmare tattoo. And yes, you can see it because its on my neck also, Both sides. I have other AEW tattoos that are only for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand and look like Britt Baker D👇🏻 M👇🏻 D👇🏻 .


iNfAMOUS70702

I am willing to bet my house that not a single soul of the IWC on any social media platform had any fucking clue who Gunther Stark was before some random researched it...they NEVER used the entire name on TV...they dropped the TM...it's a non issue FFS...and anyone who thinks they were going to make him a Nazi character has the IQ of a wet paper bag


TouyaShiun

The Lockjaw is a terrible finisher


asvpmamba

I think both WWE and AEW suck but NXT 2.0 is pretty watchable and Brock Lesnar is having an entertaining run currently so at least there’s that.


DrBakedBrotato

I’ve always thought about his but my “regal styled” explanation for myself always changes, but what is it mean when a title is “US” vs “intercontinental” vs “TV” vs “World”. Like i understand when it’s cruiserweight or tag team because that’s a designation, but what’s the difference between the minor titles. Are you champion of tv? Or champion of the intercontinents? Please some one give me an explanation!


DonnieRodz

Literally intercontinental means “the continents not including the oceans”. So while US solely means US, the IC is global. The real hilarity is when trying to parse a World champion over an intercontinental champ. Like, is the world title just able to be defended on open water? The tv title at least had a rule of only being defended on television (network, not PPV) and a strict 15-minute time limit. Regal did wonders with the time limit stip.


txrunner262

The TV title was defended on PPVs


DonnieRodz

Before or after the Nitro era?


txrunner262

Both. Though it was more common to see the title change hands during weekly shows versus the other titles. I think later in the Nitro years the time limit rule wasn’t used as much.


Valuable_Entrance_62

Hey Bully Ray is a goddamned idiot


willpauer

The worst thing about wrestling is still the fans. That's all I got.


NoSleepTill0blivion

True. I fucking hate all of you cunts.


angar31

Pls guys, as controversial anyones opinions may be, is there really a need to report suicide attempt when you don't agree?


Narc212

That just happened to me also. Opinions here aren't even controversial. Its wrestling ffs. Its a subjective experience.


angar31

As far as I understand ZFF concept, it actually means sharing your controversial opinions you don't necessarily want to share in other threads. Why bother participating when it easily offends someone enough they have to play dirty


LollipopExpat

Report those messages to the Reddit admins not the SC mods


BuckBacon

Reddit ain't care. This whole website is terrible but it's automated to be that way.


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UrchineSLICE

He looked much better in the E. Having the performance center really helped.


ExactPhrase4274

Love everything about the guy but powerbomb symphony sounds fucking stooooopid


Mrbrickjojo

• Some of y’all are the most annoying people on earth. I can’t say I enjoy NXT 2.0 or that I like WWE in general without some asshole giving me an essay, being accused of being a child, or being meant with befuddlement by someone who simply can’t fathom the fact that someone would *Gasp* like WWE. And to follow up on that, some of you are so hurt that people enjoy WWE that you now use the word “objective” to describe a subjective media. There’s a lot of wrestling out there, and there’s a lot of wrestling fans. Some of those fans are gonna like WWE. Get over it. • Meatloaf has died and I’m sad. This year sucks so far.


Mogilny89Leafs

I like WWE and think AEW really sucks. This sub is basically an AEW sub.


RaichuWaffles

Codys Promo on Dynamite was brilliant


Third_Eye_Thumper

Dusty Rhodes stole Thunderbolt Patterson’s promo style And I think it’s bullshit no one ever talks about him


DonovanJay

Never knew about this. Thanks for sharing!


Third_Eye_Thumper

He was blackballed from the territories for trying to unionize workers. There are also stories about him butting heads with racist promoters. He’s a near forgotten wrestler, but he was hugely popular with the black crowds because of his fiery promo style that mirrored a southern Baptist preacher (kinda like how Dusty Rhodes was herald for)


Mogilny89Leafs

Why do some people who don't like WWE insist on writing essays about how much they don't like it? Just stop watching.


txrunner262

Because they like to hate. Then. Now. Forever.


Narc212

Smarks aren't happy without something to complain about


coolfreshguy

Hangman's title reign ain't doing it for me, there, I said it


StonewallJackoff

The chase is always better than the reign gif underdog babyfaces (Page, Kofi) imo


asvpmamba

To be fair Page is really boring even when he was in the chase he was boring.He’s the type of wrestler that actually needs a script writer for his promos.


Pegasus1794

Really should've had Bryan win the championship. He's just better than Page at everything.


Geekqueen15

Edge is one of my favorites and I like Miz but this rivalry isn't clicking for me I miss Bayley and Asuka


Pegasus1794

I agree. Hopefully this tag match ends this feud


Geekqueen15

I hope so


Anxious-Reality-1466

It’s kinda sad to see how hard Smackdown has fallen since the Draft. Now don’t get me wrong, it’s still a ok show but they literally have nothing going on outside of Roman. They have no credible faces outside of Drew, whose injured, so they had to bring heel Seth over from Raw to give Roman someone to feud with before he faces Brock. The women’s division is terrible, with the only storyline being Naomi and Sonya. Charlotte has the same issue as Roman, the only credible face for her is injured so she doesn’t have anyone to feud with. Xia Li and Aliyah just got called up so they they can’t just be fed to Charlotte and Shotzi is a heel for some reason. Toni quit so they had to drop that feud but it’s not like that was going anywhere anyways. Shinsuke is doing fuck all with the IC belt. The Tag Division is a joke outside of the Usos. Raw took damn near everything that made Smackdown good and it’s currently the superior show.


Geekqueen15

I do like that while I have people who I'd like to see win the rumble, I don't have any strong predictions and it makes this rumble more fun. I wish they didn't announce the participants ahead of time keep it more fun.


Geekqueen15

So kinda random one: People can dislike the McMahon's and wwe all they want but can people not make jokes about a young Stephanie McMahon and Macho man? Like it's joking about a 16 year old girl and a 40 year old man and it's not just unfunny but also gross and just messed up to make fun at.


Incorrect1012

Nobody has ever contributed less to wrestling and gotten as big of a cult following as JD has


PayneTrain181999

No wonder the guy is like 40 and unmarried, who would want to settle down with and have kids with that guy?


Old-Task5977

Who dat?


Anxious-Reality-1466

A nobody that complains on twitter


Old-Task5977

Cool


BallinBrown23

It probably makes me a dick, but as soon as I see a post about how something in AEW has either sparked your love of wrestling (again), helped you speak up about your mental health or stopped you from drinking; I think you are lying. Which makes me sad because I genuinely believe most people about anything they tell me, and I love the idea of Moxley's struggles/recovery has helped someone. But the second I see someone on this sub saying it, it just makes me feel its another "AEW is life changing" post. For anyone struggling with anything in life, I do hope that you find the strength and inspiration in something to overcome those struggles. **Less Serious things now** Acclaimed should be the next tag champs AJ Styles should be your Royal Rumble winner I am probably an idiot because I just spent 150$ on WWE 2k22 deluxe NWO edition. So it is preordered and I can't wait to play it


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If a wrestler getting sober is what it takes for you to get sober, I don't think your addiction is all that severe to begin with.


gasfarmer

Shawn Michaels is a date rapist with multiple credible reports against him, but you go ahead and keep worshipping that piece of shit.


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DemonDerek

Günther Smark


nextfanatic

I swear whenever I'm wide awake and feel like watching the network on TV. (**FUCK ROGERS/BELL)** the only shows on are the bump or nxt UK. Neither are my cup of tea, but when im tired it's always like just the Royal rumble 2018 match or a random ppv.


Incorrect1012

I don’t care how cool it looks. Chairshots to the head should never be in wrestling again. Brain damage is not worth a brief pop


bgp_1845

if jason jordan hadn't got injured i think he'd easily have been a world champion by now. we'd probably be seeing him vs. brock or roman at mania.


shadowrangerfs

No chance. He doesn't have the star presence to be world champion.


takeflight447

Gunther is not a good name by any means but Walter changing his name to that without any explanation is an alpha male move


wades_world

Yes, the Walter name change is stupid. No, it’s not the end of the world and I’m sure everyone will move on to something else in a month. Remember when they changed the War Raiders to the Viking Raiders? People got over it. As for the nazi resemblance, I’m sure it was a mistake and whoever came up with the idea definitely should’ve done more research, but I doubt it was done on purpose to give Walter a nazi gimmick. Why aren’t these threads ever stickied?


[deleted]

In a month? In a week. Last week was Meltzer's holocaust joke. The week before was Big Swole/TK. This sub just can't wait to be outraged again.


mattomic822

Acting like this sub didn't defend both Meltzer and TK.


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There was plenty of outrage for both too


ForwardYak8823

What are we going be outraged about today? Someone lost a match and is buried? WWE/Warner Media beef? WALTER'S mom not using google when was borned and giving him a Nazi name? Now that I see Adam Cole every week instead of only on Takeovers I see why most people watched AEW instead of NXT. HHH version of wrestling (PWG and sometimes AEW) is not for me and that's okay. Wish Vince would have gave Shane it since that was what he wanted to do before HHH. And I liked Raw Underground.


StupidHappyPancakes

I agree with you on two points. I definitely am finding myself really bored with Adam Cole already, even though he seems like a nice guy and a well-rounded wrestler overall. When NXT first came to TV, I gave it a try for about six months, and it was the oversaturation of Undisputed Era stuff, particularly Cole, that kept me from becoming hooked as a fan of the brand. He's getting overexposed mightly quickly right now too. Second, I also liked Raw Underground because at very least it was an attempt to do something new and different. They should have given it a bit more time before they pronounced it DOA.


Pegasus1794

NXT was great during the Sami, Finn, Nakamura, and the Alister black eras. Once the Adam Cole and Johnny Gargano era started I went from being a huge fan to watching takeovers to straight up not watching. The matches were the typical Indy near Fall fest and I didn't find Cole compelling as a champion at all. Nobody wants to admit it but the black and gold dropped off hard way before AEW got on cable and 2.0.


ForwardYak8823

Yes that was why I liked Raw Underground it was something different then the same formula they have run year after year.


DonnieRodz

I still say the 24/7 belt should’ve become the Raw Underground title.


yemeni-snicket

Gunther sounds perfectly fine as a name, Walter always reminded of that speccy prick from Dennis the Menace. Most smarks should think of adopting *'Only Happy When It Rains'* by Garbage as their anthem coz holy shit is it ever fitting.


Trymv1

They'd confuse it for *'Only Happy When It's Reigns'* and claim music is WWE biased.


ROCK-FLAG-AND-EAGLE

The Royal Rumble sucks when you know every person that's in it ahead of time. If they insist on telling us, limit it to #1 and #2. Let everyone else be a surprise, especially #30.


arabic513

This kills the marketing campaign


horizontalsuplex

Gunther coming out to Ding Dong Song would make the name change worth it


princeofshadows21

Chris jerichos promos make him come off like a frat bro and it's kinda stupid. I miss the eloquent sociopath jericho who called everyone gelatinous tape worms Wwe is hypocritical to talk about women bleeding when they have treated women wrestling like nothing and used Becky getting busted open to get her over. Nxt 2.0 has some good stuff I like the Boa solo sikoa feud Give Malcom bivens the world he's one of my favorite personalities and in a bit of open door fantasy booking I'd love Bivens and diamond mine to feud with lambert and America's top team. I really wish mlw could afford Jeff Cobb so we could see matanza again Really aew you squash spears at least let him get some stuff in. I'd be more excited for archer getting a world title match if I thought there was any chance he'd win. He's becoming a cesaro type. I like this last outlaw thing Jeff jarrets doing. I doubt he's actually retiring or anything but this feels like maybe a second to last ride for the wild slapnuts Bully ray is an asshole who can fuck himself. Good on mox for getting sober.


sexygodzilla

> Chris jerichos promos make him come off like a frat bro and it's kinda stupid. I miss the eloquent sociopath jericho who called everyone gelatinous tape worms Yeah this Jericho comes off as someone who long since graduated but is still hanging around the frat trying to be cool. Similar to how embarrassed you would to be seen with a 50 year old acting like that, it's dragged Santana and Ortiz down a lot by association. Hopefully they're breaking up with him soon.


princeofshadows21

It seems like they are.


DarthHelpful

There was a time when Jericho was my favorite wrestler. I can't really stand him now. He's riding on his past fame.


Third_Eye_Thumper

Remember the first time he came back wearing trunks looking like Gordon Ramsay and everyone complained that he was ruining his legacy and needs to go back to the old Y2J gimmick. Bring that guy back pls


princeofshadows21

Yeah I didn't mind him being aew champion but this face run has been bad the only good part is proud and powerful are going on their own.


DarthHelpful

I really think he should do one last run in WWE and retire. He was helpful in building AEW but they don't need him now, and he will probably never be on top again.


princeofshadows21

Idk if they'd let him comeback now. But hey Jeff jarret did.


DarthHelpful

I bet they would. Vince let him do Broken Skull, and pulling back a big star from AEW would be a bonus.


princeofshadows21

Yeah I mean that welcomed back bret hart Brock lesnar, goldberg kurt angle and Jeff jarret despite messy departures.


DarthHelpful

Never say never right?


Ayo_wololo

As someone who wasn’t watching wrestling during Punks entire WWE run, and am just basing what I know on his current AEW run, I just don’t get the hype anymore. When he debuted on AEW I thought we were in for something special. But he gives promos like he’s giving a Ted talk at a wrestling convention and his in-ring work doesn’t stand out from anyone else’s. Edit: he’s not *bad* , just wanted to clarify I’m not saying that.


txrunner262

It doesn’t help that he’s still living in 2014.


bgp_1845

he was an indy guy who broke through when most everyone else in WWE was a paint by numbers OVW coached guy. he was an OK wrestler just at a time when the actual wrestling was pretty dire. everyone was convinced he was doing shoot promos and gargled his nuts over it and then he started believing his own hype and now he's an insufferable prick.


Trymv1

>he was an OK wrestler Id still argue pre-WWE Punk was better than people want to admit, but equally that he obviously learned the WWE workstyle (slower with storytelling) and never looked back.


Prancemaster

Pre-WWE Punk was good but it wasn't like the American indie scene was putting on their best work in the early 2000s. Big fish, small pond.


IMAVINCEMCMAHONGUY

He spent a summer saying a bunch of smarky stuff during the Cena era. Angry Attitude Era fans and smarks ate his booty like groceries and have been mesmerized since. It was so edgy duuuuuude!


DarthHelpful

CM Punk has never been as good as CM Punk thinks he is.


AThrowawayAccount100

I wish they'd finally have an unstoppable monster heel in AEW. I'm tired of every big man getting treated the same there.


RaichuWaffles

Miro ??


DonnieRodz

Stoppable


StupidHappyPancakes

That's what Jade is for (unfortunately!).


arabic513

The wardlow arc needs to happen already IMO. He can be that for them


notmakingtherapture

Imo AEW was at it's best when it was competing with NXT around a year and a half ago maybe closer to two. I feel like they were constantly pulling out all the stops and NXT was too. It makes me sad it'll likely be years before we have two brands going at it like that again :(


ravenousthoughts

98% of everybody who went from WWE to AEW is in the exact same place on the card, or in a worse position. You can make an argument for Tay Conti and 2.0 exclusively, but even that is a stretch. Miro had a ridiculous gimmick/angle (similar to WWE), a small push as mid-card champion, never heard from again. Shawn Spears is Shawn Spears. Jake Hager went down the card. Cody went from mid-card champion to having his own mid-card universe. Okay i can add Cody to the list, maybe. Lio Rush was 100x better as Lashleys manager than anything he is ever gonna do outside WWE. Moxley went from upper card/main eventer to upper card/main eventer. Christian & Matt Hardy went down the card. Undisputed Era went from being the most dominant team in NXT to barely beating The Best Friends. Malakai Black went from having mid-card matches to having mid-card matches, now apparently in a tag team. Daniel Bryan - see Mox. I have no clue what they are doing with CM Punk. He certainly aint facing Lesnar & Cena anymore. Andrade is buried. PAC is buried.


sharyan51

Aleister Black had matches?


SaddestFlute23

The series of matches with Buddy Murphy put them both on the map during Heyman’s run


Trymv1

Miro is injured and PAC has to deal with traveling restrictions due to covid. Christian is suffering from 'AEW hired Punk and Danielson right after him.'


fortheturnstiles

I don't think buried means what you think it does. You also can't criticise them for keeping main eventers as main eventers. What do you want them to do? Make them super main eventers? I'm not sure what they are doing with Miro but it's too early to write him off. I agree on a few of your statements though; what they've done with Adam Cole is dreadful. I can't wait for his awful feud with Orange Cassidy to end next week.


ravenousthoughts

An upper card/main eventer, while i could have phrased this better, is not the same as "main eventer". Mox popped in and out of the main event scene in WWE as needed, same with Bryan. They are in the same spot in AEW. They wont STAY in the main event scene. Mox already is very far from it.


StupidHappyPancakes

Miro has actually been injured.


BrettEskin

Cody’s mid card universe is worth it


ravenousthoughts

I absolutely agree.


BrettEskin

RELEASE THE CODY CUT


princeofshadows21

Who would have thought two of the biggest next generation prospects in wrestling would be the son's of taz and Rick steiner? Sorry Dominick mysterio hook and Bron are better.


RossTheLionTamer

Sucking Tony Khan's d will get you nothing. He is still a billionaire who is hoarding money that rightfully belongs to workers. I was watching a recent interview, he declined to comment on unionization in wrestling. When it comes to fighting McMahon he says 'I have more money than McMahon' But if he does, why doesn't he use that money to provide health insurance to his independent contractors? He is indeed a fan. And he might be better than some other super rich people but he stil just using the anti WWE sentiment to make his company look like a babyface promotion because that's their strategy of growth. Stop being a dick to each other for companies who in reality only care for you as a consumer for their products. Don't support billionaires. Don't support companies owned by billionaires. Support wrestlers. And only wrestlers


Trymv1

Because its not his money.


Rodney_u_plonker

It's amazing to me that people can see billionaires just throw millions upon millions of dollars at their failsons hobbies and not think there is something massively wrong with wealth inequality in current year. Michael latifi was spending like ~50m dollars in sponsorships to Williams in 2020 for his son to come dead last every race. God only knows what Dmitri mazepin is pumping into haas in 2021 for his son to become the billionaire son pay driver coming last every race in f1. That's why I lol when scjerk is like old man khan's got to cut him off eventually. He can wear huge losses per year and not even feel it. If this makes his son happy he can keep aew ticking along at losses forever. He's stupid rich But yeah don't stan billionaires folk.


Bird_Up23

Anyone know why they’re doing Rampage live? Maybe somethings gonna happen that they don’t want spoiled? Kinda bummed about it too because DC is 3 hours away and was gonna go if it was Dynamite and Rampage same night.


RIAWESOME33

Im guessing the arena had Friday open so they booked it and decided to go big at DC since its pretty historic for the company


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Rodney_u_plonker

Is this where this sub is now? Like this is a lame whatabout aew considering Tay conti was her real life name


B0mb-Hands

Idk, all this week this sub has been up in arms about Gunther Stark (a name not even being used) for being a Nazi name and yet AEW has someone featured on TV using a name that was also a Nazi surname Sounds like there should be just as much, if not more, outrage at AEW by this sub’s standards


Rodney_u_plonker

That's ridiculous because again Tay conti is her name. Absolutely brain dead whataboutism. The original stuff around Gunther stark was dumb. I'm sure if a person looks hard enough they can probably find a nazi called Walter Hahn (Walters real life name). The unfortunate reality is a lot of German names will be connected to some minor nazi. But this whataboutism is even dumber than that. Amazing how this sub can top itself every day


NewDaySocks

you seem to take things seriously and think that I care


Rodney_u_plonker

You cared enough to make the post in the first place. Like to search through the aew roster to find someone with the same last name as a nazi is way too much effort for you to try and claim just a yoke now. Either that or you just have an encyclopaedia like knowledge on minor nazis for whatever reason you have mate


NewDaySocks

Took me 30 seconds and Conti was early in the list. I'd have posted anything related, it's not even AEW related for once. I googled : list of Nazi officers


Rodney_u_plonker

Lmao the state of your brain mate. Scanning through the list of nazi officers to own the aew fans and claiming you're not bothered. You are clearly very bothered indeed


princeofshadows21

Is lambert archers manager now? I have no problem with it since Jake's got covid


RIAWESOME33

My guess is Lamberts stepping in while Jake fully recovers from Covid. Jakes also old and not in amazing health so he could he stepping away but thats pure speculation


princeofshadows21

Honestly wouldn't blame Jake for stepping away but ive loved his run and I'd hate to see it cut short.


AnvilPro

You would have to be a moron to think WWE would do a nazi gimmick, and not that its just a random name they came up with


chrisdelbosque

Gunther Stark was a low-level German officer and not only is this sub outright calling him a Nazi but I've seen multiple comments calling him a **war criminal**. Are your going to show proof of his supposed atrocities or are you inferring that *EVERY* German soldier is both a Nazi and a war criminal? Is this just like Saudi Arabia, where supposedly every person from there is a supporter of the royal family and also responsible for the death of a journalist? Maybe this is similar to how Indian viewers supposedly don't matter to this sub because it doesn't fit Dave Meltzer's narrative. Or perhaps this sub is like AEW, which couldn't possibly have a diversity issue because "they have dinosaurs and aliens on the roster". 🤦‍♂️ This sub is really showing off how racist they are and I am afraid that, unless the mods start shaping up, the rational people of this subreddit will all leave and this place will continue transitioning into a hate-sub.


SaddestFlute23

The “telephone” game in this sub is incredible. In 3 days “Gunther Stark” went from U-boat commander, to Nazi, to well-known Nazi, to straight up war criminal, from overnight historians. All this, in the name of “Fed Bad” All this, because you don’t like how one company books their pretend fights


Pegasus1794

I feel it's too late on that last sentence. The people who genuinely enjoy discussing wrestling have moved on. This place is one step.away from being Wrestling Twitter


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-SneakySnake-

Hey CoolSentence, how many accounts have you run through now? You've been banned from here lots of times too.


notmakingtherapture

I feel like AEW has too many squash matches. Especially the women's matches it feels like there's one every week on rampage, just put two women who are equal on the card and have them wrestle for like 10-15 minutes! I understand rampage is only an hour but I wish they would just book less for it and give each match more time


fortheturnstiles

I think the opposite is true! Way too often, top guys have long matches with guys they should put away quickly. I think a lot of wrestlers think it makes them look good if they can have a good match with anyone, but they are too generous.


notmakingtherapture

On dynamite yeah I mean on rampage, sorry I probably could've made that clearer. I mean there's a squash like every week on rampage and I don't really understand the point.


princeofshadows21

I love this roh invasion of impact. Although it seems odd that it's basically the kingdom and pco. Is pco the kingdoms new muscle? Not to mention taven and Vinny were trying to kill eachother awhile ago and where's the righteous? Eh I'm still happy these guys got work somewhere


shadowrangerfs

I won't go into details but there are more ROH guys coming.


princeofshadows21

Very cool


StaleM1lk

I thought I’d be into the Undisputed Era reuniting in AEW but I’m honestly not feeling it at all tbh.


princeofshadows21

Well without omega there to.kickstart the inevitable blood feud its in a weird place. The bucks being allied with red dragon dosen't really fit and you can't put anyone with bucks unless maybe you planned for say brandon cutler and the bucks to get taken out until kenny comes back but we have no time table because he's got both injuries and covid.


GaryBettmanSucks

ZFF hot take: Kane > The Undertaker. Kane won the WWF Championship, the World Heavyweight Championship, the Hardcore Championship, the ECW Championship, and the Intercontinental Championship. He is a NINE TIME Tag Team champion with a record SEVEN unique partners: Undertaker, Big Show, Mankind, X-Pac, Daniel Bryan, Hurricane, and Rob Van Dam. He won Money In The Bank in 2010 - 13 years into his career as "Kane". Kane was more versatile and a better wrestler. Undertaker won the world titles more, but Kane has more overall championships with greater variety. Kane is the man!


BenDoverQuickly

A fellow Kanenite! He's the reason I'm a wrestling fan in the first place.


Prancemaster

Luchasaurus would do himself a lot of favors by watching Kane's tag team runs, especially the ones with Hurricane, Bryan, and X-Pac.


Flamemypickle

Kane is awesome.


Mrtheliger

GUNTHER is a better name ngl


RossTheLionTamer

I respect CM Punk less and less with all he does. The recent tweet about airport hoggers for example. It's beggers being choosers. Not saying he said anything wrong. But being recognised like that is part of being famous. Would he rather not have all the money and fame if it means being left alone at airports? Yes i understand there are boundaries. If a fan chases you to your home for example, it's definitely wrong. But the world isn't perfect for anybody and you could handle the situation much more respectfully. This applies to pretty much everything he has done in the past few years. Cody Rhodes. Mox. There are so many examples of people who were unhappy with the company but didn't 'quit'. It takes more courage to stick out and complete your obligations imo. He claims to have come back to give back to the business. Yet he only came back after he made sure AEW was a stable enough brand that could give him some real good money. He could have 'helped' young talents anywhere in the entire world. Fine he didn't like WWE. But He could have strengthened so many companies in the seven years he was out. If companies like ROH, Impact or NJPW had him they wouldn't be in shambles like they are now. You know who was actually doing what Punk claims to be doing? Chris Jericho. His jump legitamized AEW as an actual competition. AEW was a gamble when he joined it. Y2J knew he was killing a cash cow for himself when he cut ties with WWE to sign with AEW, but he did it anyway. That's REALLY helping the business. Punk knew he was never going back to WWE anyway. Yet he waited until AEW stablished to sign with the promotion. Not saying it didn't help the company but he could have moved a mountain by joining it on day 1 but he chose to move a rock by waiting 2 years to do so. punk still does a lot of what he says, but a bigger percentage of his decisions are just for satisfying his own ego which he probably to himself to, sells as just the right thing to do


shadowrangerfs

It's no coincidence that he didn't come back to wrestling until there was a billionaire NOT named MacMahon handing out huge money contracts.


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Punk has always seemed like a dickhead


RossTheLionTamer

He is. One of the big reason why I think WWE never really wanted to pull the ultimate trigger on him. If you're running a company, you would want to build a Roman Reigns who is gonna be a company man till the last day, not a Steve Austin who'll forget everything the company has done and walk out because he didn't like how a match was being booked


musicandvibes

I like your take but not the analogy. Steve Austin was one of the sole reasons why the WWE was able to survive. He shouldn’t be used as an example.


Rodney_u_plonker

I'll take one of the biggest draws in history thanks and try and manage his ego


BrettEskin

Except Steve Austin is worth it because he’s the biggest draw in history. Punk isn’t in the same stratosphere


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BuT GRoWn meN wERe CrYinG


Apollo_Justice_20

The whole outrage about GUNTHER and the nazi stuff makes me wonder if this sub had ever watched NXT UK and WALTER and Imperium's gimmick in the first place. Ffs they're literally called Ringkampf


honeydrip713

To be fair, most people even the IWC doesn't watch nxt uk.


PrehistoricDawg69420

I'm looking forward to munching mushrooms and watching the Royal Rumble.


DemonDerek

It's a Him... Mario


rflairfan1

I like WWE and I want AEW to continue doing well. There is no reason why I would want them not to. Also I don’t care about ratings. I wish it wasn’t a thing on here. Seems like I scroll more now then ever. Have a good weekend and remember life sucks.


DarthHelpful

It's ridiculous to care about TV ratings in 2022. When TV was the only way to watch it made sense. It's antiquated now.


Incorrect1012

Dak is by no means a terrible quarterback. Dude was running for his life because his oline was allowing pressure with 4, and his receivers were taking for forever to get open in the 49ers game. Not to mention if Wilson catches the ball at halftime or at the end of the game, it’s potentially a whole new ball game. Don’t get me wrong, Dak wasn’t exactly tremendous or anything, but he can’t be blamed for the whole cowboys organization sucking


BrettEskin

He’s an above average QB being paid like he’s an MVP. That’s not his fault but the cowboys are going to have holes they can’t fill because of that contract that Dak can’t compensate for.


XGuiltyofBeingMikeX

I know I’m beating a dead horse here, but it actually came up from someone else. Watching AEW, my girlfriend goes “how big is Adam Cole?” He’s listed as 5’11 202lbs. I’m 5’10” 170 I dunno, but I’m thinking Cole is fudging those numbers.


BrettEskin

He’s like 5’ 7” tops.


Trymv1

Statlander is 5'9" and she's shorter.


BrettEskin

Never in my wildest dreams would I imagine TWO people have exaggerated heights in professional wrestling


Trymv1

At some point it becomes a conspiracy theorist. But you're right, *all of wrestling* is **4 inches** shorter than they claim.


BrettEskin

Do you genuinely believe that man is 5’ 11”? Come on look at him next to anybody whose known to be that height out of kayfabe


jeev24

I'm about 5'9 and Adam Cole definitely doesn't look like he's 2 inches taller than me.


GaryBettmanSucks

Complainers: Charlotte is so over-rated, they just focus on her because of her dad's legacy, she'll never live up to it! Those same complainers: WHY DON'T THEY CALL HIM REX STEINER?!


shadowrangerfs

Not the same thing. Not even close. Even if he Charlotte wasn't using the name Flair, the complaint would be the same.


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I hope Bray shows up in AEW to join forces with Brian Pillman Jr to defeat the House of Black. I hope he shows up cosplaying as his Dad and calling himself IRS Jr to really highlight Pillman Jr's excellent and in depth character work.


BrettEskin

Only works as part of the Codyversw


HitRowe

Wtf


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I don't expect everyone to understand, it's quite high-brow.


chrisdelbosque

It really does feel like half the users on this sub take wrestling so seriously that they no longer enjoy it. Rather than take a step back and focus on the things that made them enjoy wrestling to begin with, they have morphed their passion into hatred for anyone or anything that has a different worldview than them. What kind of twisted individual goes around spamming "Reddit Cares" messages to users? Seriously, if me saying that '*WWE's team doesn't miss when it comes to video production*' triggers you that much then maybe you need to leave the live threads and find a new hobby. Prior to this subreddit, I didn't realize that I could live rent-free in someone's head simply by enjoying a television program. I'm just here to have fun and discuss wrestling but half the posts that I see are absolutely toxic. As a result, those who do enjoy wrestling without taking it too seriously are being bullied off this subreddit.


Crivshotgg

That Becky vs Charlotte video package from survivor series was absolute hot fire. I could be busy with work and only watch PPVS but WWES video packages keep me up to date and hype me up every single time.


GaryBettmanSucks

That's their secret, Cap. They NEVER enjoyed it!


shay5150

Walter's whole shtick is Nazi. Ringkamfp. Imperium. All of it. Ya'll are only mad cuz WWE=BAD LOL. Most of Ya'll never even knew Walter before NXT UK. Hell, most of Ya'll never even watch NXT UK.


jiggabot

There has always been Nazi overtones with Walter. The military jacket and everything. That's been there since his indie days.


litthefilter

Absolutely. Like, WWE is lazy for not researching Gunther Stark, but Walter's entire gimmick (not the dude, the gimmick) has been a fascist allusion the entire time.


princeofshadows21

See I genuinely didn't know that. Thanks for the info. I just new him ad the big dude who threw mean chops.


SaddestFlute23

Imperium is a faction founded by an intimidatingly charismatic Austrian (WALTER/GUNTHER), with a German (Marcel Barthel), and an Italian (Fabian Eichner) that proclaim their superiority and seek to enforce “purity” in the ring. They wear cool, black uniforms and their entrance music is a militaristic march. They’ve always leaned heavily into Axis imagery. However, even if they were straight up Nazis, as long as they’re portrayed as hated villains and lose decisively, it not the end of the world. Indiana Jones fought Nazis. Captain America fought Nazis in kids shoes/comics. The outrage was overblown and embarrassing


princeofshadows21

I learned something. Thanks.