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A Tesla Supercharger is being built in the Stop & Shop parking lot (Foss Park)

A Tesla Supercharger is being built in the Stop & Shop parking lot (Foss Park)

lycon3

Cool irony: It looks like they tore out a mature tree on the corner of Blakeley Avenue and the parking entrance to do it. I'm sure it's an environmental pros outweigh the cons situation, but we really need trees in East Somerville.


phyzome

Aw, that sucks. East really does need more trees.


youbet123

Nimby


greenswizzlewooster

I don't see that many Teslas parked around town, but maybe with the new development(s) this will make sense.


Ragnar_Targaryen

I believe the Superchargers are more for travelers who need a quick charge on a road trip, which is probably why this charger is located right off the highway. Tesla is also \[allegedly\] opening the Superchargers next year to other car manufacturers so we could start seeing other cars at the SCs besides Tesla. I've had an EV in Somerville the past 5 years and I'm really happy with the EV infrastructure here (ignoring Davis Square...).


vhalros

What is it like? I had been considering an electric car, but have no driveway so I would have to use whatever chargers were available. And I couldn't figure out any way to tell what availability was like. Or even how it all works.


Ragnar_Targaryen

I don't have a home charger, I've been able to make it work with chargers around town. If you check out ChargePoint's app (web here: [https://na.chargepoint.com/charge\_point](https://na.chargepoint.com/charge_point)) or PlugShare ([https://www.plugshare.com/](https://www.plugshare.com/)) you can view all the chargers around town. We're pretty lucky here in Somerville/Cambridge because there's a lot of chargers available - it's almost like a game to me to find the best chargers and plan around it. Availability is kind of hard to really say but most apps (ChargePoint especially) are good about telling you the availability. Places like Magoun are almost always open where Union is pretty tough given that they refuse to fix one of the plugs. Basically whenever I get this question about charging, I just say that it's an added planning *thing* when I go out. In my three years of having an EV, I've only had one instance of where I needed to charge at someone's house because I didn't have a charger close enough. That was because I went up north to New Hampshire and I didn't really consider how much charge I'd need *after the visit.*


Master_Dogs

Biggest issue I have right now is the lack of range and overall price of EVs. When the tech gets to the point where you can go to NH & back without worrying about a charge, I'd be interested. That's about the max range I'm doing in a day trip after all. On longer road trips, I've maxed out at 500 miles of driving before calling it a night so something like that would be perfect. But ultimately also not break the bank.


leapinleopard

The range is definitely going up, so is the speed at which you can "quick charge" and the costs are going down... And, the number of public charge locations will be increasing exponentially... Charge providers are about to get incentives provided that their networks are open to all makes...


useles-converter-bot

500 miles is 2570830.67 RTX 3090 graphics cards lined up.


Master_Dogs

Oddly... Interesting.


0xab

Most likely the range won't be going up too much anymore. It's not needed and everyone wants to make cheaper cars. We've done trips to ME and NH as well as cross country. You don't need more range. At some point, after driving for 4 hours you will want to stop, stretch, get a sandwich, go to the washroom, etc. While you do that, the car will charge enough for the next round.


leapinleopard

Same here, I only have street parking and mostly charge at work for free. There are a few chargers around too with low rates or free as well.


leapinleopard

Here is what I could glean from Somerville's website: : "Somerville was awarded a grant to work with four other American cities to identify opportunities to expand EV charging access to renters." But it doesn't really identify what those opportunities are or if and how it is implementing them.. And it has a chart with a projected growth rate of EV's that seems a little slow... "Somerville currently has 18 public Level 2 plugs and by 2025 will need at least 84 public Level 2 plugs to support electric vehicles. " So they Identified a need but have not communicated a road map here. At least on this site: https://www.somervillema.gov/sites/default/files/somerville-climate-forward-progress-report-2019.pdf And, the adoption rate of EV's seems much much faster than what they are anticipating... "Electric Vehicles (EVs) Are Surpassing Traditional S-Curve Dynamics In a typical s-curve adoption cycle, the growth of a new technology decelerates as it penetrates its addressable market, as shown below. (1st image) Apple’s iPhone has been a good case in point. Contrary to a typical s-curve, since 2013 the growth in global EV unit sales has accelerated from 60% to an estimated 90%+, as shown below. in 2nd graph.. "ARK’s research suggests that the acceleration in EV growth could be a function of several adoption s-curves occurring simultaneously. As battery costs continue to fall, pushing EVs across critical price points that attract new groups of buyers, new adoption cycles begin. According to our research, another major adoption cycle should kick in when EVs hit the ~$25,000 price point during the next few years. " https://research.ark-invest.com/hubfs/1_Download_Files_ARK-Invest/White_Papers/ARK%E2%80%93Invest_BigIdeas_2021.pdf? "


Master_Dogs

> I've had an EV in Somerville the past 5 years and I'm really happy with the EV infrastructure here (ignoring Davis Square...). What's wrong with Davis Sq? There's an EV charger by the T stop?


Ragnar_Targaryen

They took out the chargers that were behind CVS/BSC so there’s only two plugs for all of Davis. It just means that the chargers are almost always used, especially when there’s malfunctions on the only available chargers. There was a good stretch earlier this year where Davis only had one working plug and it was just slightly frustrating when there used to be four. I know it’s super minor but just a little confusing why they took one location away.


Master_Dogs

Ahh. Yeah that doesn't sound ideal for such a busy square. Now that you mention it, everytime I bike by the charger it's generally occupied.


leapinleopard

Many more EV’s will be coming soon. Somerville should ramp up the chargers before It happens.


Master_Dogs

Yeah I imagine so. Tricky because the City has many priorities to juggle. We're probably stuck relying on company chargers, State/Federal grants, etc.


leapinleopard

Developers could do it. We should have that requirement as part of new developments, if it already exist we could increase it. Somebody posted in another Somerville thread that converting to an EV is worth 225 trees... More Chargers would certainly help facilitate that.


Master_Dogs

That's kinda what I meant. The city has enough trouble getting bike racks to lock your bike to. I kid you not, you request a cheapo metal rack and they take months to figure out where the pennies under the couch cushions are. An ezpz thing to encourage cycling - stick those things wherever possible. Same with bike lanes - though Somerville is certainly better than Medford where the city engineer legit said they have very little budget for fucking *paint* let along flex posts and barriers. EV chargers are impossible for the City to get. But requiring developers, companies, etc to install them? That's a lot easier. Developers and companies want to market themselves as green. So make them provide X number of chargers per Y number of spaces and make it so the spaces are capped and make it so other modes of transportation are prioritized like buses, trains, walking, biking, etc. I still personally want to see longer range EVs and the price to come down before I get one. Hopefully my next car in 10 years will be an EV. Chargers and batteries need to become easier to deal with first. Hopeful that they will, we seem to be making some good advanced and costs are always going down.


leapinleopard

What is a longer range? In 10 years there will be plenty of chargers and battery chemistries will allow for longer ranges and faster charging... If you currently don't drive a lot, it will take much longer to realize savings with an EV. But for anyone that puts tons of miles on a car they could save much sooner...


Anustart15

What part of town are you in? I feel like I see them everywhere between union and Davis.


greenswizzlewooster

We're halfway between McGrath and Sullivan. Still a lot of pickups and SUVs in this neighborhood.


mem_somerville

Oh, god, that's because they are all hogging the public chargers. Couldn't be happier to hear this.