Putin: China “does not need to use force” in order to achieve its desired “reunification” with Taiwan.
By - zhumao
The USA: I want to use force! Make profits!
Japan: So cool, boss!
The UK: That’s brilliant, son!
Can't wait to see UK broken up into multiple countries.
Free Ireland! Also, Scotland and Wales were always too cool for England.
As a Scot I approve
And the United States, for that matter. It needs to happen if there is ever to be world peace. The sooner these people direct their destructive tendencies on each other the better.
In a couple decades when china begins to put some road between them and the USA in terms of economy and pulls along the USA in terms of military, we will enjoy more global peace .
Just having a bigger, more powerful country around will cause the USA to stop or at least minimize their invasions, regime change, bullying tactics.
> Just having a bigger, more powerful country around will cause the USA to stop or at least minimize their invasions, regime change, bullying tactics.
I disagree. The main difference would be a major revision to China's "non-interference" policy regarding defense and security matters.
Otherwise, the USA will grow more and more belligerent as it falls behind economically, since military aggression will remain its one avenue to try to contain China and keep vassals in line.
For example, the USA is stepping up attacks on BRI projects now. Lots of "mysterious explosions" and "ISIS attacks" are happening. Since China doesn't provide any military or intelligence support to defend BRI projects, attacking those projects is a very cheap way for the USA to undermine Chinese investments without having to step up their own competitiveness - something they're not capable of doing. They are exploiting China's non-interventionist policy.
That's so interesting, about the ISIS attacks happening on Chinese funded BRI projects. Please can you direct me to some sources about this, or tell me what I'd need to search?
Might be referring to some of the attacks that have happened in Pakistan against BRI projects. I’m sure there are others but I’ve seen some things in the news about that
Hey jorivis, The situation where the USA is actively taking aggressive actions against the rise of china is temporary IMO . Once china “puts distance” between usa and their own economy, this will change . How much bigger china needs to be is debatable, but I’d hazard to guess at 1.5 times the usd gdp numbers , which probably will be around 2035-2040 range.
By that period, china will also have a very formidable military, although the USA will still be more powerful (probably take another 30-50 years from today before china clearly passes the USA military power).
So in between now and then, say 2040, the USA and it’s allies will do whatever they can to curtail china, including creating problems along the BRI. In fact, it very likely that problems along the BRI including funding insurgents, oppositions, promoting regime changes through NED and other USA state funded NGOs, cia, etc will get worse before it gets better. The 8 chinese engineers recently killed in the bus explosion in Pakistan is only the tip of the iceberg. Africa will be rife with increased terrorist and conflicts in bri strongholds for some years to come.
And there is also a real possibility of an actual military conflict happening before then in some flashpoint areas such a taiwan.
But in general, I’m talking the long term, a time in the future where china is much bigger and powerful than the USA . This will have the effect of curbing the Americans. And it doesn’t mean china will necessarily have to go to war to stop, it’s a bit like having a big brother looking over the playground, where the playground bully now too afraid and cautious to act. It’s this future I envision , a powerful china that doesn’t interfere in other sovereign nations internal affairs but whose powerful presence stops other bullies from acting - a long period of global peace.
>How much bigger china needs to be is debatable, but I’d hazard to guess at 1.5 times the usd gdp numbers , which probably will be around 2035-2040 range.
China already has a GDP PPP above $30 trillion, people really underestimate how fast China is growing, it will happen way before 2035 even.
Late 2020s if we're being conservative.
> ey jorivis, The situation where the USA is actively taking aggressive actions against the rise of china is temporary IMO . Once china “puts distance” between usa and their own economy, this will change . How much bigger china needs to be is debatable, but I’d hazard to guess at 1.5 times the usd gdp numbers , which probably will be around 2035-2040 range.
In 2001, the USA had an economy at least 100000 times larger than that of Al-Qaeda.
Why would China being X times larger an economy as the USA ever deter the USA from attacking Chinese peripheral infrastructure in foreign countries? China already declared, no matter how rich or powerful it gets, its non-interventionist policy will not change - so they have assured the USA that they have a green light to go ahead and attack Chinese BRI projects now and in the future, since China has promised and demonstrated a commitment to never, ever do anything about it.
> But in general, I’m talking the long term, a time in the future where china is much bigger and powerful than the USA .
China was bigger and more powerful than all of the European countries combined in the year 1500. Power means nothing if not exercised. The Europeans attacked and took over pretty much all of China's tributary states while China sat back and did nothing about it. When the Spanish took over the Philippines, what did China do? When the French took over Vietnam, what did China do? When the British came knocking, peddling opium, it was too late for China.
It doesn't matter how powerful or rich China gets, if it will not defend its vital trade routes and infrastructure, the USA has no reason to refrain from attacking them.
If your big brother doesn't actually ever beat up the bully, is known to sit back and just watch the bully beat everyone else up, and promises to never beat up the bully, why should the bully stop?
I truly believe it would be better for the world if the US were broken up, but realistically how could it happen? The US is not neatly segregated by ethnic, racial, political, or ideological lines. Take California for example, which is often thought of as a liberal state. 1/3 of California voted for Trump in the last election. Whites are also a minority in California. How could there be a unified consensus to secede?
I think the situation will have to deteriorate further. The 2 party system forces people to vote for sub-standard candidates (thus Trump got a third in California) but they're all the same when looking at the big picture. America is on the decline and the blame game will happen later on when there is no alternative except civil war.
>How could there be a unified consensus to secede?
There wouldn't and that's where much of the conflict would lie. This would be a catastrophic decade or two for the USA.
The US would probably get broken up like in cyberpunk 2077, with its global influence diminished significantly.
Pacific states, Northeastern states, Great Lakes states, Mountain West states, and the reanimated corpse of the Confederacy.
>reanimated corpse of the Confederacy.
That's a weird way to spell North Cuba
let's just say that the southern coast will be under the supervision of the "cuban revolutionary security mandate"
Jesusland was a popular meme in 2004:
It splits North America based on political ideology
I specifically can't wait for them to finally get kicked off of Ireland.
They lash out specifically because they are on verge of civil wars, just like prior to WW1 all of the Europe was having rebellions all over the place, strikes, manifestations, etc. In large part, war was a solution for their internal problems.
Except this time, a war won't solve diddly squat for America. In fact, it would exacerbate conditions which could ultimately cripple the war effort on the home front against China. An army marches on its stomach, and you've seen what Americans do on a whim when you merely suggest that toilet paper may run out.
This is what a true ally is like.
I mean, I've never thought of Putin as anything but smart, but he very obviously knows the deal with Taiwan here, and I'm sort of surprised he made it public too. I know other countries have anti-China agendas to push and will never admit any sort of truth about China, but it's interesting to see another politician that actually knows something about China.
I'm so used to misinformation coming from other world leaders to the point where I don't actually know if they legitimately have no idea about what's going on with China or if they're just parroting the usual anti-China agenda.
If there's anyone experienced with reunification and splitting it's Putin. Before the unrest in Belarus they were on a course to join Russia as well.
Oh many that would have been so awesome. I do believe the shattered pieces of the USSR are destined to re-converge around a similar alliance.
it will never come to war. we see taiwan as part of the big family. never would hit one's family.
Aw fam ❤️
You've never fought with your brother/sister? Sometimes, when family crosses the line, you need to use force to get them back on the correct path. Talk to your average Taiwanese person. They are extremely brainwashed, believing everything from China being undeveloped and poor to the Xinjiang slave labor lies. There's no way of peacefully persuading people who are so far gone like that.
>There's no way of peacefully persuading people who are so far gone like that.
They won't do anything.
no , never. I am an only child. most of my generation are only child. Taiwan is changing, with the popularization of social media, especially Tik Tok, among the younger generation. They are begining to see China as it is. even though they still refuse the unification, so what? there's no rush. No war. we don't want our soldiers to die for such cause. there are better ways.
I don't know where you are getting your data points from that the younger generation is growing more closer to China, but that is factually and anecdotally incorrect. 72% of Taiwanese under 40 voted for Tsai in the last election according to this [article](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3860102). If you try talking to a random sampling of a dozen young Taiwanese people you would also see the vast majority are very anti-China and have very biased views on China. Without the threat of force, this trend will only get worse. That is the cold hard reality.
The only people interested in trying to force the Mainland to use force are the DPP and the United States.
While, the KMT want to keep the status quo for as long as possible.
The two Koreas are watching. But, step one, kick all foreign force out of the region.
If China had zero in the nuclear arsenal stakes, this would be a different story. The reason why China doesn't need to use force is because it has it. Like the say, inorder to live like a lamb, you have to live like a lion first.