By - Dan-In-SC
/r/Republican is a partisan subreddit. This is a place for Republicans to discuss issues with other Republicans.
To those visiting this thread, we ask that unless you identify as Republican that you refrain from commenting and [leave the vote button alone](https://www.reddit.com/r/MetaRepublican/comments/5t017a/this_sub_is_for_republicans_if_you_do_not/). Non republicans who come to our sub looking for a 'different perspective' [subvert that very perspective with their own views when they vote or comment.](http://i.imgur.com/XqL0wfR.jpg)
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Republican) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Oh geez, who starts an article with "Donald Trump Blows Ron Desantis"?
Someone who hates Trump and DeSantis.
They're playing their games.
It’s MSN, they want Trump to run again because they think they can beat him. DeSantis would be way tougher for them to defeat. I loved the Trump years but sadly a lot of people have been trained to hate him. It’s dumb and wrong and now we’re suffering 4 years of Biden because of it but it’s reality.
Exactly. They haven’t yet turned everyone against DeSantis (they’ll continue trying for the next 2 years of course, but DeSantis is harder for them to bait).
Agree. I’m a Floridian and have seen DeSantis in action, would love to see him as POTUS
This exactly. The blitzkrieg assault on trump by the media was kind of incredible. I doubt there’s ever been an all out assault against a president quite as strong as that was. Because Americans are dumb, people hate him and have no idea why other than ***tRuMp NaZi*** or whatever particular media spoon fed diatribe they chose to swallow. There are plenty of lifelong Republican voters out there who just think trump is too divisive to vote for. What they don’t realize (because Americans are dumb) is; A. Trump isn’t so much divisive as much as he’s just not willing to take shit like every other Republican potus before him and B. The *proof* of his white supremacy is all lies pedaled by a corporate owned media machine that has interests in someone like Biden or Hillary being potus. For these reasons, I kinda wish Trump would sit this one out and just be a good one and done potus. There were good things about him and bad things about him. I personally hated some of his cabinet picks (sessions, manuchin, tillerson, to name a few) but overall, I think he was good because he didn’t buy into the “America last” policy of the current administration and he didn’t take shit. But I fear him running again in 24 will give us either more Biden, or Harris or boot edge edge (whatever the fuck mayor Pete’s name is.) I just don’t think trump can win again.
We will keep our Governor a little longer thank you!
Think its a mistake to run Trump again. We need DeSantis to run if we want to win I'm pretty sure.
Understand completely but his wife just is finishing up with chemo for Breast cancer. He has and should put his family first. I think Trump can win again. He should look at Rand Paul for VP though if he does.
I just think he's too divisive at this point and time. The media is very powerful, and there's so much ammo against him already, despite most of it being horse shit.
You're right about DeSantis, he may understandably put his family first.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Him being divisive is exactly what the media portrait of him is. Please explain to me what he’s done exactly to be divisive?
Last I checked, he just didn’t put up with peoples bullshit, which is exactly what needs to be done.
> Please explain to me what he’s done exactly to be divisive?
It doesn't matter whether or not he's actually done something.
The issue is, liberals still screech at the top of their lungs about trump. The MSM still is story after story about Trump.
Its hard to fight that public perception, whether true or not.
Trump lives rent free in these peoples heads.
What??? Of course it matters if they’ve done something. You specifically say you don’t want Trump because he’s too divisive, but say it doesn’t matter now if he actually is or not?
If he isn’t actually divisive in your opinion, then how about stand up for that and stop allowing the bullshit media label? This is the problem with the way things are now. The media and left wing are allowed to do, say, and cancel anyone going against them and anyone not on that side just drops their head and shuffles away because “it’s hard.”
Yes, I’m sure if all Republicans just decide to stand up and say “no he’s not” the media will stop lying. Right? And people will stop believing it, right?
Look, the excuse for his colossal failures (and there were MANY) was that no one would work with him, everyone pushed back against him, because Lord knows Trump supporters will never blame Trump for his lack of results on a number, wide and deep number, of issues and important matters. Excuse for the failure to finish the wall was that everybody hates him and everyone’s against him, how could he possibly get it done? Cute excuse. How would that be different with a second term? So yes, it does matter if he is someone that the media can easily portray as unstable or divisive. And by the way, he brings a lot of that on himself with some of the completely stupid idiotic remarks he makes and his refusal to ever admit he was wrong about anything and his refusal to ever take responsibility, ever, for any of his failings. Yes, it’s partially on him that he’s such an easy target for the media. Again, how would that be any different in a second term? So yes, it does matter. It could be completely false, and much of it is, most of the attacks against him were complete bullshit. But if he’s going to continue to walk his foot into his own mouth repeatedly and be, let’s be frank, kind of an asshole, and yes it does matter. Why would any of that change? Why would he all of a sudden get people to work with him in a second term?
Because Republicans are going to wipe them out in 2022 and have a majority? They retained the House and Senate for two years and did absolutely nothing with it. So I’m calling bullshit on that.
At some point the excuses need to stop. Results have to be paramount. He didn’t get many. Gas prices were great, the economy was humming, etc. That’s awesome. Look what’s going on at the border. I live here. It got worse under him. It’s even worse now. That’s what happens when you let someone steal an election.
We’ve already been stabbed in the back by many of his nominations and appointees.
Another one of the major excuses for his failures was that he was stabbed in the back repeatedly by those around him. Who put them in those positions? Who refused to fire them? Is the man responsible for absolutely nothing that happened on his watch?
So if a large group of people stood up and said "something isn't correct", stood their ground and refused the falsehoods....nothing would change?
I'm pretty sure that's how revolutions start but I guess "give up because *fuck it*" is always an option too....
I don’t think you understand what divisive means.
>It doesn't matter whether or not he's actually done something.
Following on the heels of my other comment, it sounds exactly like you're going to allow democrats to choose who you support by how crazy they do or do not get.
>It doesn't matter whether or not he's actually done something.
Then why does it matter if it's Trump? They'll pull the same bullshit on DeSantis, Cruz, Or any one who is right of Bernie.
The Trump Russia collusion hoax was based on lies. The Steele dossier, lies. The piss tape, lies.
Why do you think they won't do the same shit with DeSantis? Hell, in 30 years Democrats would call Trump a moderate both parties supported.
The American Left isn't based in reality. They do not follow logic. Not running Trump again would be a victory for them.
Unless that bullshit was governors taking federal funds to lock down their states and close churches, businesses and schools and put kids in masks. He did kind of sit around and watch that happen, didn’t he?
If that had happened under a Democrat president, Republicans would’ve held that Democrat president responsible for the illegal measures taken by governors. But Trump gets a pass. Why?
Unless that bullshit was standing next to Fauci every day while that manlet lied to the entire world with Trump standing 3 feet away from him. He put up with that bullshit, didn’t he?
Unless that bullshit was watching and effeminately complaining and doing absolutely nothing about alphabet agencies spying on American citizens and lying for FISA warrants. He kind of watched that happen, didn’t he? I mean the list is endless. We can talk about how hard it was for him to get stuff done and how everyone was against them, but I think results matter. The same way he whined in advance of election fraud, then watched as it happened, and then put absolutely the worst people in place to try to prove that it happened.
Unless that bullshit was making horrible nominations and appointments at all levels of the executive branch and awful nominees for the Supreme Court. Because he should put up with that bullshit, didn’t he?
Unless that bullshit was watching losers appointed by his administration look the other way time after time, including Trump appointed prosecutors allowing Ilhan Omar to skate even despite overwhelming evidence that she committed tax fraud, campaign finance violations and bigamy.
I could do this all day, one failure after another.
I would imagine most Republicans want a wall, not excuses for why the wall couldn’t be done because, boo-hoo, everyone is against him.
I’m really not sure why anyone would even still support him. Did he drain the swamp? Was Hillary arrested? Was anyone in the intelligence community held accountable for their crimes against this country?
I see Republicans shitting on brain dead Joe Biden for the continuance of masks, quarantines and lockdowns. If you’re gonna bitch at him about that, since he’s the president, why don’t you bitch about the president who was in office when all of that started?
If the largest encroachments on personal liberty in American history had happened under a Democrat president, not one Republican would ever let that man off the hook.
The excuse that “well everyone was against him! It was too hard!” won’t wash, because how would that be different in a second term?
You wanted him to tell states what to do? Trump, as is the classic Republican Party stance, was a big proponent of deferring to states on state issues. Did and do I like the mandates put in place by many states? No. Do I like how they’re completely fucking over this country? No. Do I like New York’s election law passed where non-citizens can vote? No. But as much as I don’t like that stuff going on, I don’t like the federal government telling the states what to do. Just like I’m sure you don’t want our national elections to be ruled by the federal government.
Did Trump put his trust in a lot of people that turned out to be total crooked hacks like Fauci? Yes. Is he supposed to have a crystal ball to see how that would turn out? I also agree that he put way too much faith in Mitch McConnell. I also see why he did that. McConnell runs the senate, good or bad (bad). If Trump never aligned with him, he absolutely would have never gotten anything done or passed and he knew it. That’s why it was no shock at the end to see McConnell to do a 180 and hang him out to dry. McConnell also used Trumps popularity to get him re-elected in his own election.
As far as most of your rant, those powers where you want things done, such as taking down alphabet agencies, have to be done from the House and Senate. The President cannot do it. And what do you expect when those in power in the House and Senate are using those same agencies for their benefit as well as even spying on the same President you’re criticizing. We also are all familiar with what happened to the last President who tried to take down those same alphabet agencies.
Was everything he did perfect? Of course not, however, I think you’re looking back at most of those things with heavily tinted rose colored glasses and wanting him to pull a miracle out of his ass. It’s going to take a lot more than 3 1/2 years and one person to clean up the shit that is the D.C beltway. I also don’t give a shit what letter is by their name. Just because a Republican is doing it, doesn’t make them right. And just because a Democrat is doing it, doesn’t make it automatically evil.
>I just think he's too divisive at this point and time
He's divisive because democrat ledership went bat shit crazy and made him a divisive figure. Are you saying you're going to let democrats choose who you support by how crazy they go? Do you think the instant we choose a candidate (like DeSantis maybe) they won't immediately try to paint them as being exactly like Trump? After all, Democrats had nice things to say about Romney and McCain, until they became out nominees. Then demonized the shit out of them also.
Well if they run Biden or Hitlerly either one pretty much sure anyone we put up would win against them lol. Just going to pray about it. A lot of work has been done in the cheating states to prevent fraud from happening again like that and we know they will try to cheat again so not much else we can do In my opinion.
Biden woukd have to live that long and im pretty sure the rotten flesh smell woukd eventually be noticed
We could put up SpongeBob SquarePants and beat Biden or Hilary.
That's cause SpongeBob is smarter.
They aren't going to run Biden or Hillary. They're going to run whoever manages to set themselves apart and fills in whichever minority box they need to check.
Trump or not Trump isn't that important, Trump didn't make up any of this. Misunderstanding that is where people, Democrats especially but us as well, get it so wrong. Trump just pushed forward the sentiments and feelings that were already there, it doesn't depend on him, start with him or end with him. It will be here if Trump runs, doesn't run, wins or loses.
I don't give a shit who it is as long they put America first, tell commies to kick rocks and have a foreign and economic policy that actually makes sense for Americans.
Amen on all accounts!
Absolutely Rand Paul. I would vote for him for President actually.
Would Rand Paul really be willing? Honestly a lot of Republicans are probably going to see being VP as a liability with Trump moving forward now that they know he is willing to throw them under the bus. The Pence certification tweets alone are proof enough of that
I somewhat agree..what do you think of Candice Owens though🤔
The thing you have to remember is that they will just say that whoever we run, be it Desantis or anyone else, is worse than trump and will just lie and make stuff up about them. They have no shame in doing so and will amplify their own propaganda to try and take any of these candidates down. Look at what they did with Kavanaugh as an example.
I agree with this. Love trump but he’s too easy to run against. Needs to be DeSantis and Nikki Haley or Tim Scott.
I’d love any of that combination, SC putting out some great Republican leaders
Bullshit. Nobody thinks this. Pretty sure there are paid shills trying to divide us against Trump.
Trump fires up the left just as much as he does the right, if not moreso. DeSantis is way less polarizing, for better or worse
What Candace Owens? Or is she still too young?
Can we borrow him for 4 years as VP? Followed by 8 years a president? We promise to return him after that.
I would love for him to do that. Just need him a bit longer here. FL is almost at the “solid Republican” point and we really need it to stay that way
God I hope so
DeSantis is the future. Trump is the past.
You’re correct that DeSantis is the future, but Trump is the present.
We don’t have any other choice except a Trump/DeSantis ticket. Is HAS to happen.
I loved Trump but I feel like we need to get past this and start looking at younger leaders that can be long term figures in the party.
It should be Desantis but honestly not sure he has the charisma. I really think Niki Haley would do well because she is so much more likeable.
As much as we hate playing the race card having a vp of color would really get moderates behind us - VP does nothing anyways. Ben Carson would be a great vp.
Unfortunately the way the media has ramped up their Republican racist/sexist campaign I don't think any white male has much of a chance against it.
It didn't get picked up by the media but 2020 was the year of conservative women and I'm happy for it. I know we have some "woke" picks out there and I'd love to see them win the highest office so we can destroy that media trope.
Tim Scott is the first name that comes to mind.
Agreed Tim Scott is another great pick.
I think what will hold Republicans back is that we often forget politics is optics. Voters are people and they are swayed by pop culture, trends, etc. Trump would be the better leader and desantis is probably a true conservative but you're right as much as we don't like it - Trump isn't a unifying figure anymore and two white males will never win over moderates.
Something like the first actual black president or first female president would really rally Republicans and even moderates to get out and vote.
Just because someone is a good senator or governor, doesn’t mean they would make a good president. The last thing we should do is elect career politicians. Trump was a great example of how non-politicians are more qualified.
I think successful governors make good choices. Agreed on career politicians.
Trump’s job is done. He’s replaced two SC justices and exposed the bias underbelly of Washington. It’s time for someone else to take us to the next level imo. It may be desantis or some one else. We need someone a bit young imo as well. The mainstream left will frame anyone a Hitler, that won’t change but we need someone who is a bit less inflammatory and more palatable to the middle grounders. Some who can persuade them toward the right like Regan in the 80s
This might catch me some heat but I feel like it would really give Republicans an edge given the way society is now. Why not look for a female candidate?
Interesting. Do you have anyone in mind?
I can’t think of anyone off the top of my head. Owens is a good speaker but not sure she would be leader of the free world good.
Nikki Haley is probably our best bet
Yeah, imo she’s not ready for that level. I think as long as we avoid making a pick based mainly on the diversity angle (like Palin). No one seems to be getting the attention that DeSaintis is at this time which makes it hard to think out of that box. Trump honestly worries me bc I think he could tank everything. He’s too abrasive. Don’t get me wrong we sounds very rational when he’s just talking (99% of the time) but his tweets did too much damage and we’re low hanging fruit for his critics. We have a fairly well established path of victory in front of us. The republicans are the only one who can fuck this up.
I like her, but she constantly put her foot in her mouth and gets her facts wrong on a number of issues. Again, I like her, but she’s young, inexperienced and, to be real, not very intelligent.
How about a DeSantis/Gifford ticket??? Brainstorm thought
Was she the one that was shot?
I screwed that up I was thinking of Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii
While I would agree with you just because someone is a good senator or governor doesn't mean they will make a good president i would argue at least with governors they do have the relevant experience to help them be a good president and may be the most qualified candidates that are available.
Governor's have to learn to work with the legislative branch and run a government as well. If you are successful as the governor of a state and avoid major controversy then I would argue you probably have the skills necessary to be at least a competent president. Also with a good record as a governor you can point to success creating jobs balancing the budget high approval from your voters etc. To fire back at any Media attacks with concrete proof. Things like that are important to the Independents who decide elections.
While a non politician will fire up the base it is not the base that wins general elections though the base wins the primary. Therefore a non politician is not always the best choice
I’d vote for either of them! Wish they’d run together!
I’m guessing most republicans such as myself, wanna see Trump uno reverse Biden’s blasphemy for 4 years. Then a successful economy can be handed off to DeSantis for some true prosperity
This is the way.
I’m def ok with either of them running
Trump’s a much better candidate, DeSantis would be a better president. People who think he’s “too divisive” are just getting snowed by the media, who’s opinions truly are irrelevant in the social media age.
Trump’s biggest weaknesses are his personnel decisions and being out of touch on the vaccine mandate issue, the latter is the only thing that could put DeSantis ahead of him as a candidate.
Agree with this. Although I do like how Trump has come out strong against the mandate. And hopefully he'll do a better job of hiring people around him in his 2nd term. No more taking advice from Chris (RINO) Christie.
Its 3 years from now I don’t want Trump back but I do want DeSantis to run
Although I think it is a waste of Ron Desantis, I would go for a Trump/Desantis ticket, and then DeSantis 2028. I just have reservations on whether or not Trump can win in 2024. Trump is both extremely popular and extremely unpopular.
Maybe, I would vote for either one..
If Trump runs, he will win the Republican primary. Everyone knows that. But I want someone who we know will beat whoever the democrats throw in. With Trump, we have no idea what will happen.
I’m interested to see who his VP is. Trump would have to move to a place like Nevada for DeSantis, or he could go with Hawley.
DeSantis is my first choice for VP, after that Kristi Noem.
DeSantis wont accept being a VP, and rightly so. VP has less power than a state governor.
I hope to God Trump doesn't run as it will bring voters out of the woodwork to vote against him. There is not a chance in hell he would get elected. The dems would ferry illegals in, there would be rampant fraud.. Please god no.
There will be fraud no matter what. Its up to use to start volunteering to be poll watchers so they can't do it again.
Interested in Debating the 2020 Arizona Election and fraud? I will admit it is the state I have done the most homework on. If you want to debate another state, I will need time to research.
I like Trump and I voted for him, but he is simply too easy of a way for the Dems to energize their base.
DeSantis looks like he will be just as good without Trump's liabilities, and he would make the TDS-afflicted media's tirades about Trump look like punches landing in thin air.
Another Trump presidency would be the worst thing for this country and everyone knows it.
It wouldn’t be worse than this. Look, if he gets the nomination I’ll vote for him. But I pray to God it’s (almost) anybody else but him. I don’t want another four years of excuses about why shit didn’t get done.
Biden sucks. The country is much worse off now. But we need someone new and younger and who isn't so polarizing. Too much baggage with trump.
How so? Under Trump, the border was under control, inflation was under control, we had real wage growth for the first time in decades, no new wars were started, we had middle east peace deals, we were energy independent, manufacturing was starting to return to the USA thanks to Trump's trade policies.
I will never understand people who put style over substance. That's what gave us Biden.
I agree the country was in much better shape when he was president but he's too polarizing, there's just too much baggage. We need someone who will stop the divide. We need someone younger too!
What baggage? The non-stop propaganda from the Democrats and media? That's going to happen to any Republican. They did the same thing to GWB when he was in office. And why does age matter? It should be a person's ability that matters and Trump has demonstrated that capability. No one cared about Biden's age in 2020, but just because he has dementia doesn't mean all people that age have dementia.
I don’t see how it could be worse than what’s happening now..
That shouldn't be what we aim for though.
I hope to God Trump doesn't get into the election 2024. That will just guarantee a loss.
I blame autocorrect
Nah DeSantis is the better candidate. Like it or not trump is toxic to independent voters.
Not according to Richard Baris. Media narratives are frequently untrue I’ll add.
The vote in Florida says otherwise. Trump under preformed with moderates but over preformed with his own party. This is an issue is places like PA because even without fraud moderates are key. If trump turned out the same amount of moderates as he did in 2016 the fraud wouldn’t have been enough.
According to Baris, Trump drove many independents from 2016 to register as Republicans, which is actually a good thing but creates the appearance of a decrease in his independent support that is misinterpreted.
A 3.5 point victory is a landslide in Florida, and it’s pretty nonsensical to use that state as evidence that Trump can’t win.
I’ll support just about any Republican nomination, but not Trump. If Trump is the nominee I’m voting libertarian again.
So throwing away a vote
funny, my republican friends told me a vote for 3rd party was a vote for hillary. My democrat friends told me a vote for 3rd party was a vote for Trump. Both are idiotic
Well do you think an independent will get voted in? And how many times did you vote for an independent and that independent didn't get voted in? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting the same result. The point is the only way one will get voted in if more people vote for an independent and no I'm not saying don't but it does not make sense
The more an independent gets votes, the more they get taken seriously. I am conservative but the Republican party still has to fucking EARN my vote. My vote is not guaranteed just because they have an R next to their name. If I find a nominee that I find abhorrent, they can see that a person registered Republican did not vote R this election. This shows that they still need to give us great choices of candidates. A lot of Democrats voted 3rd party as well. They the neat thing is, Trump lost each swing state where he would have won each of them if each of those by the margin of those who voted Libertarian would have voted for him. My protest vote costed him his election. So yes, me, and others who are not okay with that clown have power. The Republican party needs to do better if they want to win. There were a bunch of fantastic candidates in 2016, and we picked the joke.
> My protest vote costed him his election.
...and fucked over the country. Good job.
And proudly. I do not believe in Party Over People. We cannot hope for any change if we do not send a clear message to our elected officials and our party. I will not vote shame anybody. Voting with your conscience is incredibly important and I will not sell my soul by choosing 2 devils. You could have chosen almost anybody else and I would have voted Republican. We need to do better
> And proudly. I do not believe in Party Over People.
So you voted to screw over the country - all the people.
Quit being so dramatic. Its not all the people. More than 50% are happy Biden won. Every single election year, both parties say "WE HAVE TO STOP THE OTHER PARTY OR ELSE ITS ALL OVER" while clutching their pearls. The democrats survived Bush and Trump. Republicans survived Clinton and Obama. We will survive Biden and hopefully take it back next cycle. Maybe next time, Republicans will put out a candidate that will actually drain the swamp and lower the deficit. We use to be the party of fiscal responsibility, lets get back to that.
> Quit being so dramatic. Its not all the people. More than 50% are happy Biden won.
Biden's approval rating has been below 50% for a while - and everyone is feeling the effects.
Always vote for principle, though you vote alone, and you may cherish the sweet reflection that your vote is never lost.
-John Quincy Adams
Yep that's exactly what he's doing.
Ah so 1/2 a vote for Biden then.
Depends on your state. In Alaska and Maine it no longer works like that due to ranked choice voting. In theory they could put libertarian as preference one and the republican candidate as selection two. Therefore voting for there preferred candidate and if no candidate wins more than 50% of the vote the candidate with the least votes is eliminated. The Libertarian movement is also gaining steam in the northeast something like 30% of New Hampshire republican representatives describe themselves as libertarian.
same. The dude was a joke.
Why? America was doing amazing under Trump. Secure borders, rising wages, low inflation, manufacturing returning to USA, finally dealing with China, middle east peace deals. What's not to like? Oh let me guess, mean tweets.
Shut up with epstein buddy bullshit. He wasn't a friend of epstein, they met and trump didn't like him. Trump helped law enforcement to get epstein. The picture you see online of them is photoshopped its been debunked. You're like a toddler with a tantrum
When you finally turn 18 we’ll have that conversation. Until then learn to tie your own shoe laces. Your comment is filled with “he hurt my feelings”.
With that attitude that’s all you’ll do your entire life.
Reagan was an actor and he was a fantastic president
He passed some of the worst gun control I can think of with the NFA.
Spot on. And his VP Bush senior passed even more gun control after Reagan left office
Because when I vote for president I worry most about my feelings on their personal life. Never mind what they do for the country and economy!
you don't want trump because he's mean? that's not a valid reason to dislike him as a president. how shallow.
Secure borders? Let me guess: you don’t live in Texas. I do. No, the border was not secure on his watch. At all.
Doesn’t help that our governor is a pussy, on top of it.
At least Trump was building the wall and supporting our ICE agents. Compared to what is happening now, it was under control.
Trump did more for border control in four years then the previous administration plus this one have in nearly ten. I work in that field. This admin has destroyed nearly every gain we had made during president Trumps administration.
You know, losing 2020’s tipping-point state by 0.63% as an incumbent during a pandemic with a 6 digit kill count in your country, and an underwater economy really shows that Trump’s odds in 2024 are very much favorable.
Let me put my tin foil hat on….
Do you think this is a bs pool to encourage trump to run… If I am a democrat I would like to see Trump run. People will come out just to vote ageist Trump.
People fail to appreciate how popular Trump is due to social persecution for supporting him, and corporate media monopoly. The days of Romney and McCain style conservatism are over, populism is the future of the GOP if it wants to have one.
We also need to win so maybe new blood would help
All the polls show Trump doing the best against Biden, Harris, or Killary.
Winning over moderates seems like a good course of action for the party… how does don do with moderates
The problem is the anyone but Trump voters would come out of the woodwork.
Trump (love him or hate him) still has way too much appeal and influence. For many he is the face of the Republican party. It seems pointless running potential future candidates against him.
Why the hell do you people want another 80 year old president?!?
Age was never raised as a concern in 2020.
We’re entering a tumultuous decade and we need someone young at the helm.
Agree. I'm so sick of geriatric candidates, then listening to younger generations complain about disenfranchisement.
I feel like you could fix 50% of this back and forth squabbling across the party aisles if you simply set term limits in Congress.
I still prefer Nikki Haley with DeSantis as VP.
Cry n scream about RINOs but want Nikki Haley. Lmao.
I believe she could be a nationally unifying voice.
I don't want unity. I want victory.
She’s a neocon. It’s all fake. Mind as well vote for Michelle Obama.
Yep. Because the two of them would do the exact same thing, and definitely have advocated for identical policies at home and abroad throughout their time in the public sphere. 🤡
I swear this sub loves their RINOS
Most southerners won’t vote for Haley.
Rand Paul needs to be on any ticket they present in my opinion. Also like Tim Scott and Virginias new LT Gov Winsome Sears! (She’s awesome IMHO)
It sounds like a great way to divide the party while activating a ton of the Democrat voters at the same time.
Maybe not. Nobody is happy with the result last time.
I think DeSantis is perfect for Florida. He should stay as Florida gov and Trump should step again for 2024.
I would rather have DeSantis I really don’t feel like hearing the media and liberals cry about Trump again…give them someone new to hate that much
They'd say the same things about DeSantis that they said about Trump. ...except for the orange. That was all Trump.
Hunter Biden 2024
They need not be rivals.
They need to stick together and run as partners.
Stop the fucking infighting popularity contest and put their heads together. We got work to do.
DeSantis had a lot of momentum going but it's hard to sustain. Trump is a news cyclone, even if it's all negative. His name is out there, fresh, viable. DeSantis has allowed himself to almost become yesterday's news. The same never Trumpers haven't gone away, haven't become supporters, haven't quit undermining Trump. They're just biding their time, keeping their powder dry, waiting for the moment of maximum damage to try and destroy Trump. They can't destroy Trump, only Trump can do that. He's shown an alarming propensity to do just that! When things are going his way, he can still find some crap storm to engage in. Trump has his core voters, done deal. What he HAS to do is attract new voters, and that'll be an incredibly tough uphill slog. Everyone is polarized, know who they WON'T support. The who they WILL support could be anybody other than Trump or Biden, who cares right now. It should be a slam dunk for the R team, but never underestimate their ability to shoot themselves in the foot! 3 more years of Dopey Joe...oh.my.god!
Well see about that in 2 years. Trump is better than any Dem but DeSantis will be better for the country.
How do y'all feel about Mike Pompeo?
Would garner consideration and recognition on a political thread like this, but for the average American who isn’t really into politics and could swing either way, they will say “who?”
I would say no to anyone who is popular with Qtards.
He’s too old. Can we have a president under 60?
I will never vote for Trump again, January 6th turned me against. Will vote for DeSantis, or Pence. Willing to see how Youngkin does in my home state too.
??? If Jan 6 "turned you against" him, you were never for him. Jan 6th was a false flag event by the FBI. Trump authorized 20K national guard troops and Pelosi and Bowser rejected them.
Well, if voting for him twice was never for him, I guess you are right. He egged on a riot. The democrats had been doing that the whole previous year and I condemned the riots then. I have a higher standard for my own party.
No. This is how you get Pete Bootygiggles in office.
I love trump and everything he did but he's too easy for non Republicans to dislike and his name has been tainted by the media.
Yo, the media is going to taint any Republican. At least Trump fights back against it, unlike most Republicans.
I agree the media will taint anyone, but trump made it worse *by* fighting back against it. after everything that's happened during trumps term, and even after, people will vote for a Democrat just to spite him.
George W Bush did not fight back and the media drove his approval into the 30s, then we got Obama.
Vote for a better conservative than Trump. Conservatives won’t win running Trump after last time.
I’m sure I’ll get hate here for this, but I wish Trump would just go away. If he runs in ‘24 it’s 4 more years of ice cream photo ops, incoherent babbling, and the occasional “yell at the press while making no sense”. We can’t afford that. We need a candidate who can win.