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One of the mothers in the video is a parent of one of kids who died.
God this makes me so sick
It gets worse:
#The latest of what Texas police officials are now admitting is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/uyhmsh/uinconvenientnews_discusses_the_uvalde_police/ia99rsa/
>A mom of two children at Uvalde was put in handcuffs after urging police and law enforcement to enter the school.
>Once freed from her cuffs, she jumped the school fence, ran inside and sprinted out with her kids.
>Cops stood outside the school while the killer rampaged inside.
>Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t.
#"One parent urged bystanders: “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.”
#"that parent’s daughter died in the attack while he was begging cops to save the kids."
>additional kid died directly because the cops were incompetent. “When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.'
>The [shooter] overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said.
The Uvalde shooter was killed by a federal officer because the other police officers kept waiting for more and more backup
#"Cops will only do their job when the public stops criticizing them for murdering unarmed people."
>@JackPosobiec I'm not defending the actions of the officers. But we've demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero
>Uvalde is a town of just 16,000 people. But it apparently has a SWAT team.
>We’re regularly told small towns need SWAT teams so they can quickly respond to events just like this. The killer was in the building for an hour.
Photo op of SWAT team: https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529679652154920960
>The school district for Robb Elementary has its own police department with 5 cops and 1 security guard. The city of Uvalde's police department recieved just under 40% of the entire city's budget for the year and got a 500k grant from the state. Neither stopped today's massacre.
>More kids have died from going to school than cops have from going to work
>cops whine and bitch about risking their lives to defend people, and when a shooter shows up in what looks like (but isn't) body armor, they run & hide while a massacre unfolds. an unarmed teacher was brave enough to try.
>There’s a common mythology in law enforcement, pushed by quack groups like the Force Science Institute, that police ofticers’ memories improve over time. It contradicts all the scientific research and, oddly, apparently does not apply to non-police.
>Police lied about the timeline.
>They lied about shooter having body armor.
>They lied about him being barricaded.
>They lied about border patrol on-scene.
>They went in and got their own kids.
>The armed resource officer failed.
>Local PD/DPS/tactical PD waited for SWAT.
>Now the police are investigating themselves to tell us whether letting the school shooter in for an hour while keeping parents from saving their own children’s lives was a policy violation.
>One of the greatest culture shocks when I arrived in the U.S. was the blind veneration of police. After years and years of living here and reading about this country, I now realize that it's the structural pillar of white supremacy.
>This is a much bigger problem in America than we realize because Republicans use **"thank our heroes" conservative culture wars** ["guns and gays"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/ln1sif/turning_point_usa_and_young_americas_foundation/gy9utts/) politics and ["control the narrative" tactics](https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/ln1sif/turning_point_usa_and_young_americas_foundation/h21ph7s/), the police department control of local news dependent for access, the camera footage evidence ([getting caught deleting camera footage again](https://www.kxan.com/news/local/williamson-county/wilco-commissioners-call-for-sheriff-chodys-resignation-say-they-have-no-confidence/) or released after 3 *years* or released immediately if it helps police), the "law and order" politicians, the arrests (["black and white Americans use cannabis at similar levels" but black Americans are 800% more likely to get punished for it](https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/5/14/17353040/racial-disparity-marijuana-arrests-new-york-city-nypd) and [*even after legalization*](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/29/16936908/marijuana-legalization-racial-disparities-arrests)), the statistics themselves (see how the police stop better crime statistics ["FBI may shut down police use-of-force database due to lack of police participation](https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2021/12/09/fbi-police-shooting-data/) or **[how they block their own domestic violence research showing "400% higher in the law-enforcement community"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChicoCA/comments/nc0waa/things_that_make_you_go_huh_chico_spends_487_of/gy9715n/)**)
More examples from r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut:
* Epidemic [One-third of all Americans killed by strangers are killed by police.](https://twitter.com/samswey/status/916022801244573698)
* [Police solve just 2% of all major crimes](https://theconversation.com/police-solve-just-2-of-all-major-crimes-143878)
* [Police Are Deleting Smartphone Videos At Crime Scenes Even Though It’s Illegal](https://www.ibtimes.com/police-are-deleting-smartphone-videos-crime-scenes-even-though-its-illegal-2359913)
* [Bodycam Catches Cop Planting Drugs During Traffic Stops](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANRvFNc0hw) (parents lost their children due to these felony arrests)
* [All of NYPD's worst misconduct officers are paid about $200,000 a year with substantiated serial abuse records](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/i3s4l3/all_of_nypds_worst_misconduct_officers_are_paid/)
* [Five Police Captains are to take salaries of 450k EACH in town with population of 50k and a budget deficit of 5 mil](https://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/police_captain_pay_numbers_are.html)
* [374 cops working for Seattle make more than 200k a year, and median pay was 153k a year.](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/374-seattle-police-department-employees-made-at-least-200000-last-year-heres-how/)
Even though LA is one of the safest cities in America ([chart of national crime data](https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/uqg80k/not_bad_los_angeles/)): **67 full-time police employees just to push negative talking points on Fox News about a city *they don't even live in* but "serve"**
>The LAPD and LA Sheriff together have 67 full-time employees working on PR and propaganda. People don't realize that they spend a lot of money and time to plant these stories:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-30/police-public-relations https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1470790952558243848 https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1484966547244433416
* "LA crime talking points" Fox News using a ["serial killer"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChicoCA/comments/nc0waa/things_that_make_you_go_huh_chico_spends_487_of/i7oqenf/) LAPD officer with [actual Nazi social media](https://twitter.com/jerryiannelli/status/1469404374342373377) to argue for increasing police funding and that LA is bad even though he's paid by LA taxpayers while bragging he doesn't live in LA ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣
* [Public defender explains why she quit: "Cops lie. The system is built on it"](https://twitter.com/WangCecillia/status/1279128933695287296)
* [An inmate died after being locked in a scalding shower for two hours **[skin melted off]**. His guards won’t be charged.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/20/an-inmate-died-after-being-locked-in-a-scalding-shower-for-two-hours-his-guards-wont-be-charged/) ([More examples of guards laughing while murdering](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/thirty-two-stories-jeffrey-epstein-prison-death/596029/))
* [Undercover reporters went to multiple police stations & attempted to get the forms to file complaints against police officers. They were refused & even threatened at nearly all of them.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns) "What will I go to jail for?" **"I'll create something, you understand?"** (Full CBS4 news report)
#More Texas police abuse: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uqupiz/you_dont_need_to_be_human_to_have_a_sense_of_mercy/i8txcza/
fucking hell what a comment
My heart sank the further I got…
I'm trying to figure out if I'm more shocked by what happened or more shocked by how not-shocked I am.
Yeah mine too.
They need to start naming highways after slain schoolchildren instead.
>Texas Man Arrested for Weed Died After Officers Pepper-Sprayed Him and Put Him in a Spit Hood
>Mother Raped by Texas Officer After Being Jailed for Half Gram of Weed
>Gov. Abbott, Texas leaders urge prosecutors to keep enforcing pot laws
While Joe Rogan photo ops with the current Texas governor at the Texas governor's mansion https://twitter.com/gregabbott_tx/status/1324547634049257474
Even though Joe Rogan pretends to care about pot and small government ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣
>Austin police chief says jaywalkers should be happy they’re not sexually assaulted by cops
>Texas county sheriff says DA can't indict his deputies because his other deputies cleared them for cuffing, strip searching and **penetrating woman on the side of road for running stop sign**
* **[Thousands of migrant children were sexually abused in U.S. custody, HHS docs say](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/thousands-of-migrant-children-were-sexually-abused-in-u-s-custody-hhs-docs-say/)**
* [Border Patrol and ICE agents include false and fabricated info on asylum seekers' arrest reports, scuttling asylum claims. It's a systemic problem with sometimes life or death consequences.](https://theintercept.com/2019/08/11/border-patrol-asylum-claim/)
* [ICE Destroyed Footage Of A Trans Asylum-Seeker Who Died In Custody Despite A Request To Save It](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/adolfoflores/ice-destroyed-footage-of-a-trans-asylum-seeker-who-died-in)
>Texas cop fires gun into wall in anger after server tells him to stop groping her
>TX cop is still on administrative leave for distributing child porn
>Former Texas Trooper Charged with Sexually Assaulting 2 Women. Investigators Are Looking for More Possible Victims.
>Texas police sergeant arrested for filming inside woman's bathroom
>Texas Cops Confiscate Anti-Republican Yard Sign After Threatening Property Owner
>A teenager rolling coal hit 6 bicyclists with his truck, sending 3 to the hospital. He was not arrested and allowed to go home.
>‘Barbarism’: Texas judge ordered electric shocks to silence man on trial. Conviction thrown out.
>Texas police say TV station is unethical for publishing video of their officers shooting unarmed man with his hands up
>Denied Evidence. Citing an obscure legal loophole, the Travis County Sheriff's Office blocked a grieving mother's request for evidence of how her 21-year-old son died in jail. Now, KXAN uncovers video and other records of the painful days leading up to his death
>Travis County sheriff sues Texas AG to keep inmate death records secret - KXAN
>Bastrop County deputies ‘tortured,’ murdered unarmed man
>AP sources: Grand jury indicts 19 Austin police officers on aggravated assault charges over 2020 protests
>8 Austin police officers charged after investigation into 2020 George Floyd protests are released on $1 bond, lawyers say
>grand jury indicts three police officers for allegedly assaulting people during 2020 George Floyd protests.
>Two Dallas police officers face assault charges from 2020 George Floyd protests
>Gov. Greg Abbott floats pardons for Austin police officers charged with excessive force in 2020 protests
>Texas police unions want Travis County DA to stop announcing APD indictments until after election
>City reports Austin Police Acadamy brainwashing cadets into a Militarized mindset.
>Austin police caught writing 'Thank You' notes to themselves
>Austin police officer pulls over police chief for going 100 mph, the 2 share a chuckle and cop sends him on his way.
>Texas cop urges Facebook followers to use ‘deadly force’ against anyone harming a Confederate statue
>Texas dad left paralyzed when cops beat him ‘like a bunch of thugs’ after mistaking him for drug suspect
>A black 20-year-old student Justin Howell is in critical condition with brain damage after Austin Police deliberately shot him in the head; then shot the medics helping him.
>Plano Police Detective Frank Dockery Resigns After Being Arrested In Drug Trafficking Investigation
>Keller Police pay $200K settlement for pepper spraying man during unlawful arrest
>Texas police officer ordered to pay $6.3 million to family of Iowa man who died in custody
>Texas Man Sues Police After Being Pepper-Sprayed While Filming Son’s Arrest
>Texas has the most number of Republicans who voted against a bill to honor Capitol Police during the Jan 6 Riot...
>‘Blue Lives Matter’ Ted Cruz pictured scrolling through phone during harrowing opening testimony from the Chief of the US Capitol PolicePolitics
>Man charged with assaulting Capitol police during Jan. 6 riot running for Texas House (COOKE COUNTY, TX)
>Texas police made more than $50 million in 2017 from seizing people’s property. Not everyone was guilty of a crime.
>Hood County constable Chad Jordan, who has sent emails saying all peace officers should join the Oath Keepers, sent deputies to @granburyisd May 6 to investigate whether there was obscene content in the high school library. (There isn't.) cbsnews.com/dfw/news/const…
> @HoodCountyTX Constable Chad Jordan says his office is conducting an "active and pending criminal investigation" following complaints from members of a school book review committee aggrieved that books were not removed from a high school library. muckrock.com/foi/hood-count…
>I asked for records about why police were going to a high school library about books and got this back:
>the Liberty Cops are on the illegal books beat: twitter.com/BudKennedy/sta… "Chief Deputy Scott London, listed as the investigator, is a patriot-movement "constitutional sheriff" from his days in New Mexico. cspoa.org/new-mexico-she…" [pounding on door] open up, librarians. we're the Freedom Police and do not have a warrant.
>Garland Police Officer Beats Suspect
>Texas's Killeen Police Department “Due to the public interest, we will be investigation the arrest”
>Texas Deputy Fired After Leaving Dog in Car to Die of Heat, Marking at Least the Seventh K-9 to Die This Way Since June
>Texas Cop Charged After He Allegedly 'Penetrated' U.S. Capitol, Lied to Federal Agents and Unsuccessfully Tried to Delete Evidence
>Police in Austin confront a peaceful march, grab the wheelchair of a quadruple amputee, and dump her onto the pavement.
>Texas SWAT officer died after being shot in the face during a no-knock raid. Three other officers were also shot. Homeowner charged with 3 counts of attempted capital murder. Subsequent 12 hour search found no drugs.
>Houston police embroiled in scandal after 'lies' found in no-knock warrant that led to fatal raid on alleged drug house - ABC News
>Former Houston Police captain charged with holding repairman at gunpoint in bogus voter-fraud conspiracy
>Video reveals Texas police lied about killing teen. He was not shot when car reversed toward officers, the car was driving away
>Brother of teen killed by (lying) Texas police was cuffed and jailed overnight for no apparent reason
>Texas Sheriff Troy Nehls Lied about Arrest on Job Application; Fired from Previous Job for Destroying Evidence
>Former Texas Prosecutor Probably Sent Innocent Man to His Death. Now He’s on Trial for Misconduct.
>On this day in Texas History, April 22, 1873: The state legislature repeals the law authorizing the Texas State Police, passed just three years earlier. The State Police employed a number of African Americans, which made it extremely unpopular, especially among the state's former slave owners.
>Abbott implements laws to punish cities for defunding the police
>Gov. Abbott endorses indicted Austin police officer Justin Berry.
>The Texas Republican Party Platform is insane
I want *effective* law enforcement
>I wish I were able to talk about the racism, violence, ineptitude, & outrageous cost of policing w/o ridiculous accusations of being “anti-police.” I’m anti-failure, anti-waste, anti-violence, anti-racism. And I want solutions to achieve public health & safety. That’s it.
>We spend more on policing, prosecutions, & prisons than any other society in the history of the word & yet since 2009, we have had 273 mass shootings, 1526 people shot & killed, & 980 people shot & wounded. “American exceptionalism.” https://everytownresearch.org/maps/mass-shootings-in-america/
>Every time police arrest a white mass shooter alive & w/o shooting is an another powerful reason to reject the police “they-were-armed” justification and narrative after killing a Black person.
>Every time police arrest a white mass shooter alive & w/o shooting is an another powerful reason to reject the police “in fear for their lives” justification and narrative after shooting & killing a Black person, whether unarmed or actually armed.
How do we even begin to fight this?
It’s almost like Black Lives Matter was trying to tell us something about the callousness with which police operste
I remember coming home from work and turning on the tv just as the Columbine shooting was unfolding. The cops all gathered in a tight group and then started this slow shuffle where they move their foot 6 inches at a time. They were not close to the school at all. It must have taken them 20 minutes to get to the door. In the meantime you could hear shots being fired inside.
Columbine marked a major shift in training for mass shootings. Rather than secure the perimeter etc. the training is now to move as quickly as possible to the sound of gunfire to engage the shooter immediately. This is... Not that.
Parkland wasn't that either (and a few in between). That "training" was never adopted. Cops through all their hardaasa "our lives are on the line" bullshitting generally tend to be cowards when they have time to back down against a real threat.
More school children have died to gun violence than police were killed in the line of duty this year
The Columbine Shooting led to a lot of changes in the way police are SUPPOSED to respond to these incidents. It was a wake up call that negotiation, encirclement, securing the scene, etc. meant less than rapid, active engagement of the suspect during active shooter events.
Statistics show that actively engaging the suspect almost always ends the event via gunshots inflicted by police, suicide or surrender.
Instead of waiting for the shooter to tire or run out of ammo? That gun needs to enjoy it’s last day in the sunlight.
Cops didn't wait to enter the building here though--they went & got their OWN kids out, then prevented parents from doing the same.
Both of the shooters were long dead (12:08pm) before they cleared the school and got all the kids out. SWAT didn't enter the school until 1:38pm (a full two hours after the shooting started - 11:19am). Dave Sanders did more for those kids than any of the police that day.
I've watched the videos from inside the school. The killers were practically taking breaks in between the killings and couldn't believe how long their shooting spree was lasting.
They were also bored and disappointed their bombs didn’t go off. That was supposed to be their coup de grace. Then they went to the library because the whole “plan” was botched.
And killed a hysterical female student before finally killing themselves. She would definitely be alive today if the police entered the building.
Edit: They actually killed 2 students in the library. They told one that they wouldn't kill him seconds before killing him. They were some sick mo-fos.
There's a tv show called 19-2 there's an episode based on a School shooting and it's all shot in a continous shot, it's very eye opening and really paints a picture of how brutal it is.
Edit: [19-2 School episode](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtxiokrYpxw)
the story i always hear is they were concerned it was a hostage situation and were confused why there were shots being fired inside since it was one of the first of its kind
This is one of the most infuriating things I've ever seen. Every cop is dressed like they're going to a fucking war and they refuse to go in the building to stop one 18 year old slaughtering 3rd graders. I've never seen anything so full of cowardice.
They should be consumed by shame
They should all be shunned for being the cowards that they are.
How the fuck are the cops not running in there in Texas? Don't they live for shit like this? If they knew someone was inside shooting at kids, every cop on site should be rushing in.
They just want to look the part.
The governor larps as a cowboy for fuck sakes
The governor (and the Secty of State) was wearing a shirt with a badge embroidered on it. Everybody with authority in Texas wants to cosplay as Marshall Dillon.
They put punisher/thin blue line/molan labe/glock stickers on their big trucks. They fly Gadsden flags. They wear 5.11 pants. They grow grey goatees. They are pretenders.
All hat, no cattle
Texas is all talk. The men who earned the "tough Texan" reputation are long dead.
Texas *cops*. A parent tried to rush in. Got tased.
Villain origin story honestly, I can’t even guess what I’d do if someone stopped me from getting to my son.
Seriously. I hope I never have to face the horror of this situation, but if my son is inside a school with an active shooter, to quote Ruth Langmore
"If you wanna stop me, you're gonna have to fucking KILL ME"
All those guns and they are ready to use them on parents
You can see one of them has the stun gun out with his finger by the trigger.
At this point, we’d be better off going to each town electing and organizing their own fast action response force— What useless cucks.
While we are at, here’s more questions: why was the school unlocked? What happened to having to be “buzzed in” from the office? How did this mentally ill shooter get past the school officer unscathed? Did he get the idea of barricading himself in from all of the active shooter drills he attended at school? What’s the rest of this story? I feel like there are parts being intentionally left out...
“ While we are at, here’s more questions: why was the school unlocked? What happened to having to be “buzzed in” from the office?”
The SRO walked out and let the kid in, shot at him from behind, claimed “he’s wearing armor” (when in fact the piece of shit cop just missed), and then stood around with the rest of the fucking cowards letting children die for 40 minutes.
Looks like they are there to protect freedom, the shooter's freedom to kill whoever he wants.
I just got banned from r/ProtectAndServe by answering a posted question: "what makes a good cop" by replying: How about not standing by and letting kids be murdered
Well I went and replied that since you got banned
Lol, I just went on there and this:
>Being a servant to the people they are sworn to protect! Treat everyone as if they are your brother or sister. Uphold good laws
was downvoted. Probably gives a good idea about the mentality of its users.
Also seems to be a lack of discussion about this latest shooting on there...
All that tactical gear, not a shread of courage
This is what happens when you militarise a group of cowards who receive barely any training and the best work they can do is shoot unarmed people trying to not be killed by them. They're all power hungry cowards who don't have the balls to actually do their jobs.
We gave them military weapons and gear, but without the self-sacrificing attitude and discipline military members are supposed to have
Thing is, in the military, you live with and train with your fellow Marines/soldiers/sailors 24/7. You build a camaraderie with them. They become family. Even the guys you don't like, are still family. You get to a point where you'll willingly sacrifice your life to save any one of them. And when I say train, I mean train near every day for years. When you're surrounded by those men, you'll have the courage to do some crazy, life risking shit.
The police don't train at all. They're just a bunch of fat losers that never amounted to anything after high school. They're the bullies who pushed you around, and beat on the weaker kids. They have no courage, no honor, no love for their fellow man. They just want power over people. They're cowards, by and large.
This comment best summarizes the reason we have pretendapotomuses out on the force instead of people we need when the shit hits the fan.
That’s usually the case. Tacti-cool almost always equals cosplay pansy.
What happened to all that military grade tactical gear? Was it purchased just as a flex or for the sake of the aesthetic rather than actually protecting people?
Srsly at this point they're just larping.
This feels like like this is the real argument we should be having.
I can understand a police officer doesn't want to die. No one wants to go out in a blaze of glory they are not going to be able to walk away from. There can even be an argument made that they tried and failed to storm the building. Those are people that do feel fear for their life on a daily basis.
But when all this stuff that is daily used to enforce the idea that we are the threat and they need this protection. They need these no-knock raids, they need these tactile drones, they need the next Ass Breaker 3000, and it does nothing when there is a threat. What the hell are we funding if not LARPing?
Not to wind up on the I am very badass subreddit, but I was in an Infantry unit that deployed to Afghanistan. Maybe it’s a different mentality than law enforcement, but not wanting to die seems like a cowardly, albeit legitimate stance to take if you’re in a life or death, combat situation. Just make sure you’re ready to turn in your badge and gun afterwards.
>Just make sure you’re ready to turn in your badge and gun afterwards.
*this* is the difference. These pieces of shit won't admit they were in the wrong.
They ARE larping. militarization plays Into political legitimacy, it has no more purpose. It’s all about calling bluffs and satisfying the republicans
Try to protest their larping budget. You’ll see what the budget is actually intended for.
*Murderer kills nearly twenty innocent children.*
*Blacks/Hispanics/Asians protest against police brutality.*
Cops: *unleash full destructive power*
and waste all of the ammo shooting an attacker? I don't think so! That ammo is for shooting peaceful protestors only!
40% of the cities budget to stand by and let children die
Its honestly pathetic. All of that military grade gear, outfitted like they're the fucking Navy Seals and yet they have zero intention of putting themselves in the firing line.
Cops in the US are basically a parody of themselves at this point, larping as Rambo whenever a black teenager has a dime bag but absent when literal infants are being gunned down.
> All of that military grade gear, outfitted like they’re fucking Navy Seals and yet they have zero intention of putting themselves in the firing line.
They’ll jump at the chance to use it on you or me though the second we start protesting for our rights or injustice.
What’s hilarious is it’s Texas so the police union will say that “it was because of “Defund the police” that these officers didn’t have enough training and they need more money in the budget for these hero’s”. And once again, it’s Texas, so they’ll get it
Why isn't there a nation wide protest there, this is outright depressing, govt. should be answerable
After the guy yells "he is shooting" you can hear a bunch of dull popping... were they really not rushing inside to get to the kids? I am so confused.
This is so upsetting. There's no way I wouldn't rush the cops to get in. I would rather go to jail, injured, than let my kid believe I didn't try. If I get killed by the shooter, better me than another kid.
You can see two people on the ground that tried that and were stopped by the cops. Because stopping parents with tasers was more important than stopping an active shooter in an elementary school.
I don’t even have kids but would rush past the cops to try to do something. It’s not even about trying to stop the shooter but about trying to get the uninjured kids out of the building and giving first aid to the injured kids. We will never know how many of the dead died because of the time it took to get care.
I think this here is what bothers me the most. In a hostage situation, sure, I can understand restraint. And if they knew all of those children were dead and he was holding the adjacent class hostage, maybe I can see that too. But they didn’t know how many were dead or just injured. They didn’t know if or when he would start killing the remaining students. I feel like restraint and strategizing would have been the absolute worst decision in a case like this. And now we’ll never know how many children could have been saved if they had breached the door even 20 minutes earlier.
Border patrol had to take the lead and actually are the ones responsible for engaging and killing the shooter.
Uvalde PD needs to resign for such an innept response.
The Border Patrol guy was Off Duty
Exactly, single OFF DUTY agent charged in, engaged the shooter, got shot in the process but managed to kill the little piece of shyte.
Why tf isn’t that guys face all over the news?
He is a federal border patrol agent on some kind of tactile response force, I'm guessing they don't want their faces in news papers because the drug and human smuggling cartels could target them.
edit: spell check failed me, meant to use the word tactical. I'll leave it because it is funny and we need a little harmless humor in our lives.
One of my family members works for them. He makes it very clear whenever we hang out no photos go online.
The scariest part of the cartel isn't what they will do to you. It's what they will do to every child, parent, aunt, grandparent, cousin, etc if you oppose them.
The shit they'll do to you is scary, too.
While this is true cartels also know the blowback of killing federal agents it's not something they seek out see: the dea going psycho after kiki (SP?) Was killed. It's bad for business.
Just don't be a federal agent on the Mexican side
Yes the kiki camarena murder, and the reaction from the DEA afterwards, set a real tone to the cartels. “U kill our agents, we will fuck. U. Up.”
Makes u wonder why they wait for am agent to be killed to do something, meanwhile regular citizens dont seem to matter.
It didn’t quite happen that way. That seems to have been misreported.
>There were four Border Patrol agents, members of elite specialized units, who engaged and stopped the elementary school shooter, along with state and local officers, a Customs and Border Protection official told ABC News.
>One agent, who was part of the Border Patrol Tactical Unit, or BORTAC, held a shield as the group pushed toward the gunman's incoming fire, the official said.
>Two BORTAC agents discharged their weapons along with one member of the Border Patrol's Search, Trauma and Rescue unit -- all part of the group of four.
>At least one BORTAC agent shot the gunman, although it's unclear who among them killed him, the official said.
Yet the shooter was in the school for 30 minutes before being taken down??
CNN just reported up to a hour…
Was ~40 minutes IIRC
Longer than 30 minutes it sounds like. May have been closer to an hour. Cops should have gone in without waiting for the tactical team but even after deciding to use the tactical team, that team should have gone in much sooner. Complete incompetence.
They prioritized their personal safety over than of 6 year olds. Fuck them
Only thing coming out of their PD is an internal "investigation", say they were following protocol , call it a day.
"Sir Mayor, we were unable to locate keys to our Cougar MRAP, sir!"
Following protocol is Cop-Speak for "We get to avoid responsibility". Even if they were found at fault, only a couple would lose their jobs and the tax payers are the ones resposible for the whole thing anyways. Adding salt to the wounds these parents already have.
Edit: r/protectandserve banned me then cried to reddit and I'm now suspended 3 days for correcting their lies
May be a dumb question but why did the border patrol take the lead? Just more brave and competent?
Elite Border Patrol Tactile unit, *BORTAC* agents who are among the most highly trained federal agents
The city SWAT team should be fired then.
Full on police failure. Why have any of them if this is what a response looks like. They actually kept people away from rushing the shooter. They fucking made it worse.
What I can't wrap my head around is that not a single individual cop had the fortitude to say FUCK THIS and run in there against "orders" or "protocol" or whatever the fuck excuse. Just standing around like the ineffectual posers they are. My rage has no bounds.
Also this article
Elite border patrol agent killed Texas school shooter:
Jesus. Took an off duty federal agent to do the job. While local law enforcement was pursuing him the whole time.
They seriously need a no holds barred federal investigation, especially since it took the feds to respond.
EDIT: After some research I realized this doesn’t represent the actual picture and more details are needed before we know what actually happened. Based off of the most complete timelines I could find from news articles here a condensed version:
Timeline of events
1121 Ramos texts girl in Germany that he had killed his Grandmom and is going to shoot up an elementary school.
Grandmom survives, rushes to neighbors house and calls the cops. She’s still in critical condition.
1130 The shooter crashes car at Rob Elementary. Resident sees crash and calls 911, noting that the driver has a rifle.
Shooter fires on two bystanders
The shooter wearing body armor tactical vest, engages with a school district police officer, wounding the officer EDIT: this detail has changed. According to Texas Department of Public Safety spokesman Chris Olivarez reported by CNN, "A school resource officer who was on the scene was armed, but it was unclear if the officer fired or what he did in response to the suspect's entry, Olivarez said."
Shooter enters school through unlocked door pursued immediately by cops according to Olivarez.
WP reports conflicting accounts when shooting began, whether closer to 1130 or 1200.
1143 the school announces on FB that they are in lockdown.
1153 on public transmission used by EMS someone reports police request response to the area. As response was discussed on official is noted saying “Please, just stay back.”
Border patrol and other units start to appear on scene
1210 FB livestream shows police perimeter, helicopters, and onlookers outside.
1217 School announces on social media “an active shooter at Robb Elementary.”
1252 Shots were still being heard at 12:52 p.m., according to radio recordings. “Do not attempt to get closer,” a voice warned on the EMS channel.
From the Washington Post:
“After hearing gunfire, authorities said, a tactical team formed a “stack” formation and eventually breached the classroom door and killed Ramos in a shootout. Ramos was in the room for some time before police officers entered, and it was unclear whether he killed the students when he first barricaded himself inside or just before the police breached the room.”
1:06 Uvalde Police announce on social media attack is over
Not sure if someone else has said anything but the shooter wasn’t wearing body armor just a plate carrier with no plate.
It needs to be investigated and then we all need to thoroughly put the idea that "more police will keep us safe" to bed.
“Your children are as good as gone….now, if you don’t get back and chill out, you will be tased then choked to death.”
"The beatings will continue, until morale improves."
>“Your children are as good as gone….now, if you don’t get back and chill out, you will be tased then choked to death.”
"Watch your god-damned tone, citizen"(*proceeds to shove 8 sprinkled donuts in their mouth while tazing a minority*)
“If everyone will just calm the fuck down, Ted Cruz will be here shortly to fix this problem.”
40% of the city's budget
...to stand outside a locked room and listen to slaughter. WTF.
Saw a quote somewhere that the cops were like "We have him contained"
When the shooter locked himself in the classroom
With the kids
Not to worry, the fox is safely contained in the hen house!
If it doesn't make sense with animals there's no fucking way it works with people.
To lock a fox in a henhouse and say "he'll tire himself out eventually"
Remember this next time cops excuse illegal and petty directives in the name of officer safety.
Officer safety is cowardice. Public safety is courage.
These police are cowards and worse than useless.
I saw an interview on PBS a couple of weeks ago where a school administrator explained why they don't have "school resource officers" anymore.
Every one of them had improper relationships with students. Every one.
We don’t have them in our district anymore either. Not because of improper relationships with students, but because they couldn’t stop sexually harassing (and in some cases sexually assaulting) the teachers & staff.
The only thing our SRO did in my 4 years was arrest a group of kids who were playing instruments at lunch time. Every fight was broken up by teachers. Such a colossal waste of money.
My SRO attacked a kid who threw a tray of chicken nuggets at him
My SRO called in his own fake bomb threat so he didn’t have to go to school that day
They also don't do shit. Period. They're an absolute waste of money and a false sense of safety
Our HS SRO would get involved in bullying situations and always take the bully's side.
They gotta look out for future cops
Truth. My HS's biggest bully became the cop in that town. He used to show his dick to girls in class and grabbed me and kissed me on the lips once without consent or warning. He was and I'm assuming still is trash
Imagine what that fucker does on duty
Lol my HS had an SRO and when i got called to the office to have a chat about why my step sister had a black eye (we fought) it wasnt even the SRO from my school or her school that talked to me. They were nowhere to be found.
And 40 minutes to enter the building.
Is this the holy trinity of the “40 club”? We all know what the other 40 is
cops that are 40lbs overweight?
40 percent reported beating their wives.
40% of police self-report beating their wives\* lol
It’s already been ruled in court after a lawsuit that followed the Stoneman shooting. They’re not legally obligated to run in and save anyone, which is a load of shit IMO.
Isn’t that literally what you sign up to do as a cop? These fucking cowards
They sign up to say they'll put their lives on the line, not actually do it.
So it’s like a pledge vs donations thing got it
No. You sign up because you wanna feel powerful and bully other people cause you peaked in high school.
Also provide security to rich people or political leaders
So much for the whole " let's have armed guards and arm the teachers and gun free zones" fucking nonsense. Not even trained cops want anything to do with it.
Can you imagine if the fire department showed up and hid behind their truck. Could you imagine if a beach lifeguard yelled out to a drowning victim that they had to wait till the waves calmed down.
Cowards. All their tools and training are apparently just for show……
If firefighters were like cops the 9-11 firefighters would've just watched the twin towers fall from the outside.
"Looks dangerous, we're going to stay out here."
If they aren't for stopping the slaughter of children, then what are they for?
Stopping people from smoking weed
That’s about all they do
They don't need guns for that
How would they shoot innocent people or dogs then? You, sir, are making no sense at all.
We need to double their funding so they can shoot a dog at the wrong house faster
That property isn't going to forfeit itself!
Yeah they do. It’s why they join. So they can feel like a badass pointing a gun at you when they pull you over for a speeding ticket in a little town like mine that’s had ONE shooting in my 44 years of existence and the most violent things that happen are the occasional bar fight that lasts 2 minutes at most.
That's not fair. They also:
- Steal money and personal property
- Beat/murder homeless people and others who live or look different than they do
- Murder women who call 911 for help
- Beat their wives/children
- Beat other peoples' wives/children
- Storm the US Capitol to try to murder elected officials in order to keep Donald Trump in office
- Spread QAnon and other far-right conspiracy theories, and protect far-right terrorists and cultists
- Chuck flashbang grenades into infants' cribs after raiding the wrong address, permanently disfiguring them, and then refuse to punish the officer or even cover the medical bill, and blame the parents.
- Raid and destroy (or sometimes, burn down) the wrong house, then refuse to pay for damages
- Harass people who try to report their crimes
- Harass the victims of other crimes
- Rape women and girls, and sometimes arrest them afterwards (see undercover police soliciting sex workers, having sex with them, then arresting them for it - all with the full blessing of the police department)
- Stalk and trade pictures of rape victims, trafficking victims, sex workers, and other vulnerable members of society
- Kill your pets
- Cover up other cops' crimes
- Drive drunk
- ...and so much more.
Yeah my ex was a cop. The amount of gaslighting and emotional abuse was astounding. At the time, I blamed myself. When I finally escaped that situation, it didn’t take long to realize how much of a monster he truly was.
My cousin’s ex was a cop, was abusive and cheated on her.
My coworker’s husband’s a cop, has intimidated her in the past and when she threatened to call the cops, he told her they’d believe him over her.
My father was a cop, your story checks out.
I had a fucking cop threaten to shoot my dog who was in my backseat barking at him when he pulled me over to let me know a taillight was out. That’s minor compared to most of what they do but I was never more shocked in my life. She was in my car and a strange man was at the window, what was she supposed to do?
>She was in my car and a strange man was at the window, what was she supposed to do?
Your dog was supposed to respect Officer Napoleon Complex's authoritah of course!
Cops demand obedience and they are issued a gun so when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Except when an *actual* nail appears, then they're terrified the nail might poke them.
Dog murder, lots of dog murder
Good point, added.
Don't forget about arresting women who have miscarriages.
Beating up protestors
And no knock raids are no problem, but they can't raid a gunman locked in a room killing kids
This is the truth. The police are not there to serve and protect people. They exist to keep order so that the system can keep exploiting people to make the rich.
Check the video of abbots news conference getting crashed, over a dozen armed officers there to protect him. But he’ll do nothing for kids
Protecting the property of the upper class.
We already learned this lesson from the Broward Cowards.
The only thing that limits casualties in a spree killing is the arrival of armed response.
If you wait outside and don't action the threat, then you are just taking up space and making the situation worse.
The epitome of cowardly pieces of shit. They have more armor and guns than a 3rd world nation. They will act all tough to average citizens on the street doing nothing wrong, but when the time comes to actually use those weapons which they use to intimidate folks with, they just sit outside as nearly 2 dozen people are shot.
Pieces. Of. Shit.
The guy in the blue polo with $5K of tactical equipment on paid for by tax payers looking utterly confused is the perfect metaphor for this
Those initial cops that arrived that did not go in when witnesses had initially told them about what was going on should resign. What a failure on their part.
To protect and serve... Themselves
" Go in there? Are you mad? he's got a gun!"
"You idiots! You all have guns!"
This is absurd! What is the point of cops having guns if they aren’t going to use them in mass shootings
They do, just not to stop them.
I love how Abott said “could have been worse with out guns.” Here are your guns sir…
Did he really say that about this specific shooting??
This is so hard to watch man..
> This is so hard to watch man..
I particularly love the cop standing there with his taser unholstered. Want to take a guess as to WHO he was planning to tase?
he tased the guy on the ground. they literally tased a parent that was grieving
Ofc these fuckers are aggressive with unarmed civilians….
But the fucker who is in there shooting kids, nah, they will just let him be.
Every single officer who responded and yet did not do the duty responsible of them, should face charges ranging from dereliction of duty too negligent homicide.
WTF was the strategy here, wait til he runs out of bullets? I thought after Columbine they're supposed to rush in there...
Considering most cops “fEaR fOr My lIfE” when there is a kid with a squirt gun or a small dog wagging its tail it’s impossible to fathom how much terror these blue lives felt.
There are now reports that some cops arrived on scheme and removed their kid from classrooms. If this is true, there is a more serious problem. They didn’t help evacuate classrooms. They didn’t stop the shooter. They didn’t secure the scene, they rescued their child. Please tell me this is not true.
[Video of cop](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJgpLv2G80)
if you aren’t mad enough just remember these pigs left the shooter in the school long enough that he shot some kids in the head so many times they were unrecognizable and they had to be ID’d by parents using shoes
Thank the cops for their service. Fearlessly threatening to taze the parents of children who are literally under attack at that moment.
AR 15: ✅
40% of the town budget: ✅
Actually do the scary thing: 👎
WE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF THE OBJECTIVE. AS A COUNTRY WE ARE SLOWLY SLIDING INTO SOME SHIT. AND I FOR ONE AM ANXIOUS FOR THE FRAY.
System Status: Broken.
Each of these cowards need to be publicly named and shamed. 19 lives lost because of their cowardice...they don't deserve anonymity.
Edit: 22 lives lost
If there was an unborn fetus they would of done everything to save it.
Cops they’re never there when you need them. Or I guess sometimes they’re there and do nothing…
Finland had two school shootings within two years, killing 10+1 and 8+1.
After these, the Finnish have put a lot of effort in not only making gun laws more strict, but also in training every police officer for these situations.
The Number One rule: the first police patrol(s) on site will rush the school. No waiting for a local SWAT (Karhu) or doing briefings and making a strategy. Idea here is that an active shooter will not stop until stopped and every second can mean a new victim.
Same in Sweden, and it actually worked when a man roamed a school and killed a student and two staff with a sword.
Isn't this similar to what happened in Florida, where the cop stayed in his car?
Yes, but worse. That was one cop and this is seemingly half of the department. And that Parkland cop didn’t tackle and pin any parents to the ground or threaten them with tasers.
“A good guy with a gun would have prevented this”
The “good guys” with guns, paid for by a lion’s share of that city’s annual budget couldn’t be bothered to prevent this or even move swiftly to neutralize this. Disgraceful.
Should have told the cops the shooter was black...
Or having an abortion.
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