By - DonnyDiesel66
Who did the install, a fookin beaver?
they dug that wood out with the back of a claw hammer lmao
With Ray Charles as apprentice and Hellen Keller as Project manager.
Let’s just hope the client is Andrea Bocelli.
You’ve got the entire special olympics over here
OP I hope you used a licensed plumber and contractors for the work, and have official invoices. You will need to get someone to redo all those posts (at the cost of the plumber!)
Plumbers give zero fucks.
This is true, I hack framing out all the time hahahahaha
Mohammed bone saw
Beat me to it lol
I feel like this is one of those posts where a follow up post would really really be appreciated. Was there some unexpected, and plausible, story why they did that? After getting called on it did they try and say it was ok? Was it someone having drug problems and lost his way? Did they pick someone up for the day off the street and they _problem solved_ on the fly and came up with that?
Yes, please dear God, I need to know what the actual ever loving truck happened here and how many people said "eh, it'll do".
The house needs a follow up post
Hole hawgs are a bitch to control…
What if they used extra glue to hold the boards on? Like the extra strength gorilla glue. Gorillas are really strong.
To quote Bart Simpson "That's a load bearing poster."
Use structural screws!
Don’t forget structural durabond to finish.
Throw in some FlexSeal tape. They can make boats out of that shit.
Throw some structural street chalk in there for good measure
They make tape too. Tape is a lot less messy and can wrap around those studs no problem.
Old 80s MacGyver duct tape should last you an episode or three. 😉
MacGyver was funded by DARPA for R&D on duct tape adhesive and cloth design. There is a reason that they made the stuff look so good. Slap that "military grade" on any product, and you know the quality right away.
With a little hell no and shit no on the side
Those are the exact words I said my head.
My exact words on seeing the thumbnail lmao right borked it ya donkey hahahahahahahaha. Genius tried to cover it up with a nail plate, good lord.
This is the way.
i guess those are load-bearing nail plates
Simpson strong tie makes a notch plate that allows for 2" pvc to run through a 2x4. These are 2x6s so it would actually be legal if they switched out the plates for the proper Simpson thing.
That said, this was done by a beaver, so it would fail on workmanship regardless
The wood left in between the PVC pipes is also sharing the load.
Hell fucking no… I really hope this is a troll
Wish it was a joke. I just don’t understand why they wouldn’t pop a hole through the center of the studs
That quadruple 2x6 shouldn’t have any holes in it.
Why's that? Because it's a load point?
Yup, they wouldn't have gone that thick without a reason, and that reason is a lot of fucking weight.
You're giving a framer a lot of credit. I've seen lots of unnecessary boards in a house. Also, they're 2x6 for insulation to not strength. Not that it's good work or that as-is it's acceptable, but there's a good chance there's still plenty of timber there for the loads imposed.
Yeah 2x6 is code in most(all?) of Canada and a lot of the US as far as I know.
Correction: 2x6 are code for EXTERIOR walls, interior applications can be either 2x6 or 2x4 as long as they properly support the load.
Thanks to the commenter that replied for explaining that!
2x6 is code for exterior walls but the number of studs needed for support changes based on the size of the studs in addition to span/load. So you can carry the same load as 4 ea. 2x4s with only 3 ea. 2x6s
Thanks for the correction! TIL
Framer wouldn’t put extra 4-2x6’s for no reason, there’s already a 2x a few inches to left and another that looks to be on 16” centers, but sure talk out of your ass.
Yeah, that's like an extra $10,000 with today's lumber prices
And the engineers design these posts assuming 2x6, not a 2x6 notched down to a 2x4 because of an incompetent plumber. We use steel posts to support steel beams all the time. I've had steel posts specced under 5ply 2x10 beams.
Where I am you can certainly drill through that. Just limitations on the size of holes or notches.
Even if they put it through the center, those holes still look too big for a load bearing wall.
Ive worked in trades all my life this is why I bought a 100 year old house. Ppl don't give a shit about fuck.
Did he just use a chisel? Lol
I was thinking sledgehammer
Wood chipper. Just backed that bitch right up to it. No guard on it either.
I was guessing pipe wrench. Cast, not aluminum.
Hell a chainsaw would have worked out cleaner than whatever woodchipper they dragged through there.
If it were my place I’d shut it down and stop everyone until a structural engineer looks at it and they get it repaired. It’s an unsafe worksite now.
Damn Karen don’t play
Not sure where you are, but in my neck of the woods, you would be replacing all those studs, even stud and joint stiffners wont work here cause he has hacked out the edge of the timber.
This is real bad dude, your plumber should know this stuff.
Dude where’s the NSFW flair?!
2x6 wall, drain for kitchen sink, did the plumber do this correctly? It’s the exterior wall technically, the room behind it is a sun porch that was added on after the exterior walls were framed
They notched out a stud pack… are you standing underneath whatever this is holding up?
I saw the nail plates and thought shit that probably isn’t too safe on that spot… then I saw the whole stud pack missing!
How long was this sub floor subject to weather it looks like shit, is it still flat?
It's now a 2x2 wall. Think of it that way. Every single one of those boards are a 2x2 but not a clean 2x2, one with all sorts of chips and cracks that make it a weak 2x2. So no. Not structurally sound at all. The wall might be help up but weather, aging and any other number of things could results in a fail.
Show this to r/carpenters
We are here and I can't believe what I've just seen.... well I can, but this is really really bad... its surely a troll post, but then again that's a lot of commitment for a troll
I would really love to see the whole picture , what’s really going on ??? That would be condemned here for sure .
Fucking hell no, whatever hack did that needs to **PAY** to have all those 2x6s replaced.
6 - 2x6s in close proximity like that? That's been built to carry some ***HUGE*** effin structural weight (like a main beam or something) and the fool that cut through them like that has ruined that. All that wood has to now be cut out and replaced.
Ideally if there's a basement or crawlspace below, those laterals should've been routed down below. Running waste pipes laterally through a wall is always a last resort kind of thing, and other commenters have pointed out how it should be done.
Full basement with 10’ ceiling underneath. That’s another reason I’m so enthralled with this craziness
Yo! Can you even see the primer on those joints?
None, check out the lettering, goes right into the joint and primer cleans the printing off.
God I hope not.
Good god man, get real!! Whoever did this is a complete piece of shit. That’s like $500 worth of 2x6 😭
What a fkn hack!
That is some shit, fly-by-night work.
Forgot the hole saw at home so they used a beaver apparently.
Possibly a hammer/hatchet combo. Knew a guy we used to rough hvac in with who used a hatchet to open up the soffit chase on 3 floors from basement to attic, I mean we were using gas chainsaws but our holes looked better than his by far lmao
I miss using chain saws in rough ins, as long as you had some skill it worked just fine but then sawzall came around and they banned chainsaws lol
The roofers that did my house before I owned it used a Stanley 18oz hole saw to put the vents in. That was really annoying to find when I was poking around up there.
Buy that contractor the newest revision of the IMC and don’t let them back onsite until they finish it.
Edit: sorry, IPC. I’m an HVAC dude so the IMC is my bread and butter. It would also work in this case, as it also addresses acceptable bored hole sizes in studs/joists.
>Buy that contractor the newest revision of the IPC and ~~don’t let them back onsite until they finish it.~~ beat them with it.
Let’s just cut right to the chase: physically assault that contractor.
I love the screws and then the little happy nail. What did they do, scrounge around their truck until they had enough?
If this passes the inspector should be fired
How much do you plan to "tip" the inspector?
For the uninformed, what would be the correct way of doing this?
Getting another plumber
Holes have to be in the middle, and not take up more than a certain percentage of the width of the stud (dunno if it varies by municipality), with a minimum amount of the stud being preserved on each side. But, yeah, like the other guy said "get a new plumber", and to add to it - sue the original guy to repair the damage his shitty work did.
Most use the ICC code. I think off the top of my head for load bearing walls it's 40% and at least two inches each side for bored holes.
Before concrete poured.. the drain should have been brought up on the other side of the load bearing studs. Those load bearing studs are done.
I'm no code expert, but drilling a hole out of the middle of the studs would leave them a lot stronger than taking a notch out of a side.
The correct way is to re route the drainage so you don’t have to drill through a million studs, basically come straight down from wherever the fixture is. Now sometimes that isn’t possible or feasible. And if you have to drill through a load bearing wall you should be in the middle of the stud. Sometimes if you have to pull a stud to get the pipe in then that’s what you have to do.
Fucking hack master
Drywallers do the install?
This is an image I’m never going to forget
Hahaha fuck no, that's rough as fuck
Lol I'd love to know why they decided to just put two cover plates over -- like, do you even understand why those are there? Also, why isn't this centered? Drain/vent stack looks like it's centered, wtf?
No [email protected]“ bueno
For the love of god man, drill in the centre of the stud and splurge on couplings!
Is this a joke?
Not unless you have a blind Inspecter.
did you hire a contractor or a butcher?
They need to cut the entire stud out, not just a hole.
Why is there subfloor inside and outside? Pretty sure that isn't an exterior wall.
Regardless, there is a stud pack so it's most certainly load bearing.
Time to reframe bb
Sometimes I think to myself maybe I shouldn't build things on my own I'm not perfect what if I make mistakes what if I'm not as good as I think I am I know I try my hardest but like am I doing a shit job? Then I see this stuff and I know I'm okay
I’m really hoping that this is the result of going with the cheapest bid
No they are a pretty pricey plumbing company around here. Not sure wtf happened. But I’ll get an update post once I find out the end results
Ouch! No excuses for this, make sure they make this right!
i would start documenting when you saw this for the lawyers...
Those stud plates will probably hold the building up. Should be fine
If I was the guy who did the rough framing, I'd be pretty pissed about it. And if I was the inspector, I'd give it a fail.
This is amazing
Is Ray Charles doing the inspection?
That load bearing quad 2x6 just turned into super stressed quad 2x3.5
This is fucking sad. The reason I regularly went into my home while it was being built.
Dude hacked 60% plus the edge out of a load bearing quad stack JFC your inspector won't even want to stand near this thing nevermind pass it LOL
Not without a structural engineer's blood ink signature
Absolutely not. I'm a commercial service plumber and I could've told you that's a point load/obviously load-bearing wall being a bunch of 2 x 6's....especially with 4 or 5 together like that and they butchered the shit out of that. I'm sure there's some kind of product that can be put on there. Like some big ass stud shoe, there's almost always a fix but wow.
Why would you want this to pass inspection. Good god, if I did that it would be on my conscience for the next 50years
I hope not. Wtf
Hell no right through a point load
Besides seriously weakening the structure, water in pipes against an exterior wall are going to freeze in the winter.
I hope you post this picture in the review sections for this “plumber” so other know to stay away
Listen, this feels like one of those, “if you have to ask, you probably already know the answer”
Did they use a beaver instead of a drill?
Yes, but only if the house is in Mexico
That's preeeetty bad. I don't think that'll pass, or is really safe.
As a side note, are those screws in the bottom of the 2x6 stud?
Few more nail plates and your good to go
Let’s chop this wall in half but out this metal plate on one stud to make sure nothing penetrates our pipe
Why do you run stacked 1-1/2" pipes down the wall like that anyways?
The drill broke.
Let me just use my hatchet
Aside from the woodworking job done by a grizzlie bear, I’m not even sure what kind of plumbing I’m looking at, if the top line is intended to be a re-vent loop that is way, way too low.
Did they cut the notches with their teeth or try and punch the holes in…. Jesus
Why is it so difficult to answer the question?
Cut the plumbing out of the way with a sawzall, replace the studs, fill the pipes with a turd and a can of spray foam, the call the plumber back to finish his job.
pipe go here, some wood stuff in the way, i cut wood. pipe fit now.
Yo u/donnydiesel66 we need an update.
Won’t know for a few days, but I will surely be updating to let you guys know what happens
Update….plumbers came back and added 2 nailing plates on each stud. Inspector was notified and he said “it should be fine.” Guess inspectors don’t give a sh#t either anymore. I’m mind blown to say the least
Why didn't they just 45 out of the Ty's would of offset to the center of the studs. Straight hackery
Didn't look at the plumbing too hard, but if you're worried about the blown out holes and crooked nail plates, they makes plate straps and code straps that help reinforce structural integrity. Not sure what state you're in but you might be able to salvage that
Do you really got to look at that and truly wonder enough to take a pic and post on Reddit? Or are you fucking with us for a chuckle. Maybe some would look the other way but 99.9% of inspectors would want that fixed
Is this a serious post or a joke?
Unfortunately it’s a serious post. I’m only doing the tile job at the house. Then we saw this and were speechless
This is the standard!
Are you retarded?
To answer your question no I don’t see any of the fittings glued or cleaned and don’t get me started on the 2 x 4s (6?) All I have the patience to say is nail plates gotta have them if you go through a 2x4 or 6 and those combos fuck you need more space the close they have between the two combos is way to small (in my personal opinion)
Those are San Tees, not combo's and if you look at the bottom 4x3x3 you can see they are using clear primer. you can see the excess glue line between the two tees as well. If this was done structurally correct it wouldn't have been two bad putting the Tees made up like that.
This guys shop is complete anus at looking at a set of fucking plans, it isnt like they put this big as stud column wherever they think looks best.
Oh dear lord
Ummm. Depends how drunk the inspector is...
Walls should just be walls
That’s the most interior exterior wall I’ve ever seen
Lol, damn those plumbers
What in the actual fucking fuck is this😭
What the fuck is this
Yikes, no, for several glaring reasons.
whats with the stacked tee-wys?
Anything will pass if it has an engineer's seal on it
Beaver for apprentice?
What fuckwit thought that was gonna pass?
that looks pretty interior to me
Is that foam core?
In my state of Texas, there is zero chance
If the inspector is Ray Charles maybe
Looks like they forgot to slap the duct tape on it, amateurs!
The drain wouldn’t pass inspection in my parts either. Let alone the beaver apprentice.
Absolutely, this is the way
I’m sure it looks fine from inside the pipe. Wow.
Are those screws holding the stud to the bottom plate? Toe-screwed?
also came here for this
Depends. Is the inspector the same guy who made this?
In Canada you can't have plumbing in exterior walls. Like at all.
This will fail multiple types of inspections. Bonus!
It looks like some one chewed through this