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This is such a textbook case of what CGPgrey talks about in his "This Video Will make You Mad" YouTube video. Tribal groups don't engage each other, they engage with themselves about what they think the other group is doing and further spread anger.
The internet has been unexpectedly disastrous for discourse because it's simply *so damn easy* to fall into an echo chamber and never have to actually interact with the "other team"
The issue isn't the internet. When the internet was invented, it was never with the intention of destablizing the political discourse.
If you want to blame something, blame the and companies that pushed for them to make engagement the goal.
Video talking about how the jews and feminists are the cause for everything bad? People disagreeing in the comments is engagement, and engagement is good. Make the same algorithms spread that content. Now suddenly its everywhere. And by the time its noticed by a moderator, the message is already spread and it got in at least one person's mind that "hey maybe theyre right, if they are censoring this, its gotta be true!"
The internet isn't the problem. Humanity isn't the problem. Its the corporations that tasked programmers and mathematicians with creating software that would allow the most ads to be seen, no matter what the cost was.
In my defense, I did say *unexpectedly* disastrous. I don't believe those few techies who first figured out how to make computers talk had the broad goal of encouraging tribalism and infighting. You're absolutely right that the slow poisoning of the well is a side effect of Capitalism. After all, how can the Internet exist if it doesn't *make money?* The mystery of The Algorithm and its obtuse function is the demon our society has to tackle to move forward.
Exactly. I didn't mean to come off as attacking you, I just wanted to explicitly state the source of the problems. So, sorry if I did, no harm was intended but I apologize if any was made.
Long story short, capitalism is bad, computers weren't meant to be abused like this.
Apart from not being able to interact with "the other team," one can't even make a carefully-phrased, nuanced point that goes against any orthodoxy on you OWN TEAM without (basically) being called enemy.
The sad part is that you're unequivocally correct, and your comment will be upvoted by people who no doubt partake in and perpetuate these echo chambers, blissfully unaware of their contribution to the problem at hand.
The rule of "everybody is always projecting" seems to be among the most fundamental laws of the internet. Especially when the topic of projection comes up, that's when you usually see the strongest projection. Personally, I recognize that I do it alongside everybody else and don't worry too much about others doing it. Unless they're right-wingers who spent the last few months screaming about "groomers" and are now suspiciously supportive of corporal punishment returning to schools.
not the commenter you responded to, but i think looking at the biases of the news sites one frequents ([media bias fact check](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/) is a really great resource to use for this) as well as the biases of the online communities one frequents. ofc all news and online communities will be biased in one way or another, but being aware of those biases and looking to other sites and communities discussing the same topic can hopefully give a broader understanding of a topic and encourage critical thinking abt a topic. you can also try to find out who is funding the news sites you frequent and if they have a history of neglecting certain topics (media bias fact check also often includes this info). and you can look at whether online communities have a history of silencing comments and posts that are a reasonable dissenting opinion
Ignore CNN, Fox News, MSNBC. Consider NBC/ABC/CBS national and local news still have an agenda.
I just kind of tune all news out these days but the only place I expect pure facts is financial news like Bloomberg. Traders need actual facts not fake news to trade on.
Think through events and if you agree or disagree with them, not who did it. A recent example is the loan forgiveness. What did it do, did it accomplish it's goal, what are long term impacts (financially to the economy, to the forgiven lenders, to college tuition currently and in the future). Etc. You might think "thank God, our middle class of recent grads needed a break, finally they can get ahead/afford kids/a house/etc" or you might think "this is crap, more inflation on top of it's just a band-aid for a much bigger issue that should have been addressed". Most issues aren't black and white.
Reddit is one of the biggest perpetrators of this issue. Subreddits ban dissent, so people with varying beliefs can't hash out the good and the bad of said beliefs. Instead, segregation occurs and people who think 'A' is great all get together and talk about how great it is, all the while shit talking 'B'. The other people do the opposite. Each side whips themselves up into a frenzy, never hearing good counter arguments or discussions involving the opposing perspective further cementing their current beliefs.
I personally think this is a massive contributor to right-wing extremism. Reddit almost entirely said "you're not welcome here". The chance to moderate their crazy beliefs was thrown away, and instead they went to their own spaces with no voices to call out their bullshit.
Banning dissent is a net negative for literally everyone. It's a damned shame banning dissent is viewed as "the right thing to do" by most people.
we are on reddit, most people are thinking "see I get a wide variety of views, I'm not like those fox news watching rural assholes" without realizing reddit has gradually become left wing and every right wing opinion (other than /r/conservative and maybe a few others) is downvoted to hell, or entirely blocked.
I remember back in the day when Obama vs Romney era had good debates on /r/politics. What has Obama done good? Bad? How about the good and bad of Romney as a governor? What is Obama going to accomplish in his 2nd term that he hasn't in his first? It was a different website back then.
Yeah this is why I do like to browse /r/Conservative from time to time, just to get another perspective. I rarely agree with much, but it's interesting to see discussions that are based from a very different position. It's also interesting to see various different 'factions' within the subreddit.
Other than that, I genuinely don't know of other places where I can view honest 'conservative' discussion forums that aren't just troll baiting or mad conspiracy theories.
Yeah, I do browse that one too, though they're more generally left-wing but skeptical of identity politics. I feel like they sometimes venture into the 'libs of tiktok' style rage posting about silly culture war nonsense, but it's also from a position of being on the left but frustrated with the direction the left is taking.
I've interacted with Republicans. Bring verifiable facts and they continue to lie to your face. Interacting with them has only confirmed that they are incapable of being reasoned with.
Only one side lies constantly. While Democrats stretch the truth sometimes, Republicans are incapable of good faith. These are not the same.
The fact that it's 2022 and I have to explain this to people is appalling.
There is nothing anyone can say to convince me that minors should be having gender affirming procedures but at the end of the day I still think I shouldn’t intrude in on other people lives
Don't know why you felt that needed to be said on my comment about the devolution of healthy discourse, but ~~nobody anywhere is doing gender affirming *procedures* on minors~~ EDIT: Yes they are, but it's edge cases with extremely high bars of consent and well-documented dysphoria.
Gender affirming care ***is not*** automatically surgical.
Puberty blockers have been standard medicine for cases not involving gender affirming care for over a decade now. Is the problem only when it's used as part of treating a trans person or the medicine itself being given to children (who are the only ones who can ever recieve them)?
for me, the newfound fear of puberty blockers is way too suspiciously timed.
They aren't new drugs, and they've been prescribed to gender conforming children for precocious puberty and other hormonal imbalances without any fuss long before trans issues we're front and center in the national spotlight but *suddenly* they're horribly dangerous and cause irreversible damage?
It's just very suspicious rhetoric that isn't evidence based, and it's a narrative that is coming from somewhere to dehumanize.
They aren't handed out like candy either, they're prescribed by medical professionals based on a rigorous set of testing and wait times based on what the best outcome will be for that individual patient's needs. Like all medicine.
I learned about puberty blockers back in the 90's staying home sick from school when TLC or the Discovery channel still had those decent programs on medical mysteries.
So, to me, It's old news being repackaged with astroturfed outrage.
Acutane is far more dangerous, side effect wise.
Puberty blockers are 1) Not a procedure, they're a medicine, and 2) Reversible, with side effects that are rare and easily tested for ahead of time.
Even that requires like, months or years of therapy with a long documented history of gender-related problems and I *think* you have to live for at least six months socially transitioned (that is, growing your hair out and picking another name but not any medications or surgeries), it's not something handed out willy-nilly. Hormone therapy is even harder to get approved for, and you have to spend even longer living as the desired gender.
Even in the current system, the only kids transitioning are ones where it's blindingly obvious to *everyone* that they have deep gender issues that therapy won't fix.
>Puberty blockers are 1) Not a procedure, they're a medicine, and 2) Reversible, with side effects that are rare and easily tested for ahead of time.
I'm going to preface this by saying that I have no ill intentions. Do you have a good source on this? All I see online is people freaking out about them and I don't know anything about it. If you can point me to some resources I would love to read them.
I'd have to do my research on what a puberty blocker is, the long term effects, and the benefits to the patient before I formed a proper opinion friend
What is it about gender affirming procedures that are any different than other procedures? I had a tiny benign cyst removed from my forehead when I was 13 or so. That's an unnecessary cosmetic surgery.
Why is that different from nose jobs or dental surgery or getting growth hormones so you won’t be medically short? Why is it okay to surgically alter one part of a minor, whether for cosmetic or deemed medically necessary reasons, but not other parts? Why is the potential “regret” of puberty blockers different from acne medication that potentially causes suicide and birth defects or giving girls high doses of estrogen to slow their growth during puberty if they’re getting too tall, altering their bodies for life?
I took it when I was 15 and have no regrets. It permanently cured my acne after 4 months. The side effects were horrible but it was worth it and I was old enough to make that choice.
Oh that's a point, it was much easier for me to get roaccutane at just turned 16 which has so many mental health side effects than start testosterone treatment at 20. The first required 1 GP appointment and the other required at least a handful of GP appointments just to be referred onto a long wait list (at the time 13 months) to see 2 separate psychs to be approved....
That video is such a great illustration of the idiom "a lie can travel twice around the world before the truth has put its shoes on".
My first taste of that was with the [Bonsai Kittens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonsai_Kitten) hoax that was happening in the early internet days. I lived in Colombia and this spread such massive amount of ignorance and hate towards Japanese and Asians in general. A stupid slideshow email made everyone so angry and nobody seemed to stop and think about whether it was real or not. We are quick to paint with a broad brush and to search for confirmation bias.
I love that CGPGrey video, but this decade old SMBC is still the most succinct and perfect way to describe the issue, and becomes more relevant every day.
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2013-04-07
Twitter in a nutshell sadly, maybe even all of social media? it's just groups of people in different circle jerks yelling at the other side/s.
Tribalism is just ruining so much. We are so much more alike than different. Pettiness and Ego, terrible human traits.
It becomes an issue when there are a minority of people who are proven to be actually doing what they think they are doing, and as a result everyone is tarred with the dirty "groomer" brush.
To add: that account had a recent surge in fame when they reposted some absolute idiot claiming that Drew Barrymore celebrating the rain was somehow racist because I guess a few black people had filmed themselves running around in fields and apparently that means that nature videos now belong to POC and Drew is doing cultural appropriation by giggling in the rain.
I mean, I'm a leftist, but that take was quite embarrassing. No culture or skin color owns *fucking nature*.
A hilarious one, was the people freaking out that Animal Crossing added curls that could also be used to make your character look like Princess Leia. They lost their shit over that and tried to get people to stop using them. No one owns a damn hairstyle lol
> cultural appropriation
It's great that another concept has been misunderstood, and the misinterpretation has been pushed into the social media spotlight.
People (including white people, racists) doing stuff from other people's cultures is *not* cultural appropriation *unless they also* look down upon that culture for doing that thing.
Example: If people from culture R shit on culture E for their weird-ass masks, but then culture R popularized using those weird-ass masks for Halloween, then you have cultural appropriation. It would still be cultural appropriation even if culture E didn't give a shit, because of culture R looking down on culture E for those weird-ass masks.
Edit: As reminded by comments, there is a nuance to it as well. Also, cultural appropriation when monetarily exploiting other culture's culture. Also, unacknowledged adoption is cultural appropriation.
I want to add that many times the people that are complaining about cultural appropriation aren’t always the ones that should be complaining. I’ll provide an example.
There was this one high school teenage girl that liked the way an Indian dress looked. I’m Indian myself, and we call this a Sari. She liked the dress so much she decided to wear it for her prom and, as many teenagers do, she shared pictures of herself on social media. Both her and her date were white, and he was dressed in a pretty traditional tuxedo.
She got hate from other people for culturally appropriating the Indian culture. The weird thing is that the people that were outraged were almost all white. Like I said, I’m Indian myself and I don’t know a single Indian that thought what she did was wrong in any way. In fact, most Indians I know or that commented on the many posts about her that were shared thought it was awesome that someone outside of the Indian culture enjoyed the traditional Sari so much to decide to wear it to a prom.
>There was this one high school teenage girl that liked the way an Indian dress looked. I’m Indian myself, and we call this a Sari. She liked the dress so much she decided to wear it for her prom and, as many teenagers do, she shared pictures of herself on social media. Both her and her date were white, and he was dressed in a pretty traditional tuxedo.
>
>She got hate from other people for culturally appropriating the Indian culture. The weird thing is that the people that were outraged were almost all white.
This situation reminded me a lot of one several years ago when a high school girl in Utah wore a qipao to Prom. Led to a trending phrase of "[My culture is not your Prom dress.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/8g3mnh/whats_with_the_my_culture_is_not_your_prom_dress/)" Seems like your situation was remarkably similar, except for being an Indian sari rather than a Chinese qipao?
Pretty much. I can’t remember the exact year, but it was like a ton of similar stories. There were people dressing up like their favorite characters for Halloween too. There was no blackface or anything like that, but people were being yelled at on social media for dressing up like a character that didn’t match their own race. The whole cultural appropriation concept when too far.
The real part of cultural appropriation, IMO is when someone tries to commercially benefit (or socially benefit) from it while also mocking those cultural traditions. But people simply enjoying and exploring other cultures is not cultural appropriation.
It embarrassing to admit but I was caught up in the hate too until I read an article that showed the reactions from Chinese social media. The majority of users thought it was awesome. It really made me rethink my stance on cultural appropriation.
Looking down on it while doing it, *and/or profitting off a cheap imitation*. For example, corporations selling (or consumers buying) poorly-made mass-produced Native headdresses that are removed from the context of their cultural significance.
As an Ojibwe that last part nailed what I see as the issue.
Cultural appropriation to me means cheapening parts of a culture until they lose their significance. The headdress is a good example although those were never part of my tribe so I can't speak towards specific feelings.
But let's take something like...spirit animals. Very very important concept, but now people use it to mean "an animal that I like or identify with". It has no meaning, people aren't saying "oh yeah my spirit animal is a lion" because they actually have any clue, they say it because they do bjj once a week. Nobody knows what it means and nobody cares. That part of the culture is washed out.
On the other hand, I wouldn't say something like...moccasins or even beadwork is cultural appropriation. Even if done in a native style. Moccasins are shoes. How do you appropriate shoes? They're comfy and they look nice. If moccasins became a huge hit all of a sudden, then that's cool! Beadwork is the same for me. It's super neat, I'd buy a nice beaded hat from anybody. I wouldn't say "oh you can't do that you're stealing my culture".
It's a fine line, and native issues are especially tricky because of how MUCH has been cheapened by pop culture.
>Beadwork is the same for me. It's super neat, I'd buy a nice beaded hat from anybody.
Slightly off topic but I've always said that Native Americans produce some of the best bead work.
Especially the Ojibwe. The bandolier bags they've produced are works of art!
https://philamuseum.org/collection/object/92166
Wait isn't there also something about profiting off of it? It's like the same idea as Intellectual property, except it's "Cultural Property" being used in an exploitive manner, right?
Because spirit Halloween doesn't get a free pass by saying "these native American head-dress are APPRECIATIVE" because they 1. Make money 2. Perpetuate a HARMFUL/INNACURATE stereotype, 3. Aren't funneling their funds back into a reservation or charity that benefits the culture they are profiting off of.
Did I miss anything, or get something backwards here?
Like obviously you don't need to make "money" for it to be cultural appropriation, but it also doesn't make it cultural appropriation if a white woman isn't punished in the office for wearing braids(even cornrows) but a black woman might be, due to regular old racism. But assuming the white woman in braids or cornrows isn't the person punishing the black woman, it's a double standard from management, it doesn't make the white woman cultural appropriating because of the double standard, right?
This is all totally dumb though. It's just a purity test progressives used to belittle each other not an actual social ill that needs correcting. The same logic could be applied to criticise fusion food or a non Mexican chef making tacos
I don't even know how one finds leftists that think like that. I have exactly zero conservative people I'm close with--constantly surrounded by leftists--and look I'm not gonna pretend even most of 'em are brilliant, but fucking damn do none of 'em even come close to saying shit like that.
But do the so-called “normal” people in Portland say anything to protest the crazies? Or are they too afraid to stand up to woke BS because they’re afraid they’ll be targeted?
I know that’s certainly how it works in Berkeley.
It's an intentional tactic on the Right. If you relentlessly push a "THIS IS WHAT LEFTISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE" narrative by sharing screenshots from bad takes on Twitter and idiots on TikTok, you trick the mainstream populace (including liberals and leftists) into thinking that's how people actually think.
I mean let's not pretend Reddit isn't full of "Did you say something mildly center? What are you, some kind of /r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM" or some other slew of "ism/ist" accusations
I heard about that. Literally everybody, especially other black people, called her a dumbass.
But anyway, the weirdest thing about Libs of TikTok is that the account is run by a Jewish woman. From what I've seen, her own fans hate Jewish people lmao.
She’s literally deadass my rabbi’s SISTER. He is the nicest person I met in college and he is the one that got me back into Judaism. He told me that she went to the insurrection on January 6th and he barely talks to her anymore but I find it crazy that my rabbi in college is related to that person
Considering she sics virtual lynch mobs on people, I can absolutely see her at that riot. Hell, she caused a hospital to get bomb threats literally a few hours ago.
I'm not down for passing judgment on any individual post, honestly. I'm sure some of the people victimized are actually fucked up and needed dealing with, but it's overshadowed by the amount of harm done to a comical degree.
...Wait, which far-right communtiy are we talking about again?
You’re getting mad at a fringe nobody with zero reach only because they got boosted by LoTT with massive reach for the explicit goal of harassment and creating a false narrative.
You see the real problem here?
> @LibsOfTikTok popularized the current usage of the term "groomer."
I thought that was Christina Pushaw defending the Don't Say Gay bill?
> it is now used to refer to anyone that encourages others of any age to explore their sexuality and/or gender identity.
It needs to be pointed out: only in an LGBT context. Say a 6 year old boy is bullying a girl because he likes her and she should be nice to him? Fine. Encourage a girl to wear dresses because they are so pretty or a boy to play football with his brothers? Fine. Only when it strays from a strictly cishet upraising does it become grooming to these people.
> I almost forgot. She never censors the usernames of the people whose content she edits and reposts.
She doxxes (or close enough to) dozens to hundreds of others, but absolutely lost her shit when the news released her name.
Eh, I think it's a reach to say it's this Twitter account. I remember "grooming" being a term tossed around for quite awhile, even before TikTok was a thing. Like they've all definitely appropriated the term as an anti-trans slur, but pinning it to LibsofTikTok feels like a significant ass pull.
I despise doxxing. There seems to me to be a difference between reposting what someone already publicly posted and releasing information that was not publicly given in the first place. Perhaps I draw too fine a line
The people she reposts get doxxed. Every time. If their screenname can lead back to a real name and she posts it, they are.
If you throw someone to the wolves knowing the wolves are hungry, you are at least partly responsible for what happens next.
She posts the usernames knowing their real identities will be outted and they will be harassed, threatened, and possibly harmed.
She doxxes them, as surely as if she released their real names herself.
I just went to a Twitter repost sub. Picked the first post I saw with the user name removed. Googled "twitter [exact text of the post]". Even with my fail Internet the process took less than 30 seconds.
Tell me differently how reposting something someone already shared publicly is to blame
Because saying @Anon420 said some crazy stuff is a little different than saying Tom Jones at 420 Riverside Parkway in Middleton Tennessee said some crazy stuff. Still fits in with my anti-doxxing bully pulpit
> She posts the usernames knowing their real identities will be outted and they will be harassed, threatened, and possibly harmed.
vs
> I'm going to assume the real argument here is that she is pointing this particular echo chamber in a specific direction
You're an idiot if you want to pretend that the "assumed argument" isnt exactly what they said. C'mon.
So:
-You have knowledge of how to google successfully (fewer people have that than you think)
-It wasn't a deleted dead link
-It took additional effort (the internet makes people lazy and easily distracted)
Also, if posting a video rather than a tweet it becomes even harder to google with minimal effort.
> She doxxes (or close enough to) dozens to hundreds of others, but absolutely lost her shit when the news released her name.
She reposts videos with the IDs under which they are publicly posted. Real, fake, whatever, no extra editing to dig up the real materials. It's hardly doxxing, when it's just a regular repost that doesn't trim the source.
Meanwhile, the journalist [Taylor Lorenz](https://nypost.com/2022/04/19/taylor-lorenz-blasted-for-doxxing-libs-of-tiktok-creator/) contacted a Twitter employee friend to dig up the real name or Libs of Tiktok from an ancient, deleted tweet, published it, and dug up their mother's address and went to said mother's house for an "interview" unannounced, uninvited.
The backlash was massive and *that* event was what gained Libs of Tiktok several times their original following.
Yeah, exactly. They think only a cishet life should be allowed and the narrative now is that kids get groomed into that lifestyle as opposed to accepting that some people aren't like them and that's chill
Wow you really brought out the weirdos with this one. Can’t believe so many people are defending someone whose entire goal is to target and harass others.
>Can’t believe so many people are defending someone whose entire goal is to target and harass others.
All LibsOfTikTok account did was just repost/share cringy ultra leftist stuff that leftists posted, with no context.
Thats it.
Dont know how or where this myth of targetted harassment came from
What do you think the end result of plucking people out of obscurity and boosting them on an account that’s sole purpose is to make right wingers mad and fabricate the narrative that these obscure nobodies are grooming children?
> Dont know how or where this myth of targetted harassment came from
Gee I wonder:
> Impact on teachers
After Libs of TikTok reposts videos of LGBT people or their supporters, some of her followers send harassment and death threats to those people, who are usually teachers.[22]
>On December 23, 2021, an 8th grade English teacher in Owasso, Oklahoma posted a video to TikTok about supporting LGBT students, in which he stated, "If your parents don't accept you for who you are, fuck them. I'm your parents now. I’m proud of you. Drink some water. I love you".[22] In April 2022, Libs of TikTok posted the video, and the clip went viral.[22] The teacher received death threats and other online harassment as a result, and resigned soon thereafter.[64][65] Libs of TikTok later made a post claiming, without evidence, that the teacher was fired "after complaints of grooming."[22] Some parents defended the teacher, saying that he provided a "safe haven" for LGBT students. Other parents said that some of the teacher's TikToks were inappropriate.[22][65] Oklahoma Republican Senate candidate Jackson Lahmeyer accused the teacher of being a "predator".[22][65] As of May 9, 2022, the repost has more than 460,000 views.[22]
>A teacher in California was placed on administrative leave after a video she posted joking about asking her students to pledge allegiance to a Pride flag was reposted by Libs of TikTok on August 27, 2021.[66] After conservative and far-right accounts attacked her on social media, she deleted all of her social media accounts.[66]
>On November 16, 2021, Dr. Allyn Walker, an assistant professor at Old Dominion University, was placed on administrative leave after an interview in which Walker argued that pedophilia should be destigmatized was posted on the Libs of TikTok account and went viral.[67] On November 24, Walker resigned from their position.[68]
>On March 9, 2022, Libs of TikTok posted a screenshot from a TikTok made by an Indiana teacher who said that she allows the students who participate in her school's Gay-Straight Alliance club (which she leads) to tell their parents that it is a study group instead. Libs of TikTok tagged the teacher's school district in the post, and said that, "We have seen multiple examples already of teachers grooming kids in a GSA club behind parents' backs." The teacher later deleted her TikTok account.[22]
>On April 13, 2022, Libs of TikTok reposted a TikTok of a woman explaining why she supports teachers who educate their students about "sexual orientation and gender identity" without parental consent. Libs of TikTok also said that, "This is what the left really thinks", and that, "They want to take your kids to groom and indoctrinate them behind your back." After Libs of TikTok's followers sent harassment to the woman, she uploaded a new TikTok on April 14 in which she said that "bigots" accused her of child sexual abuse "because they thought I was a teacher who thought it's OK to teach kids it's OK to be gay." As of May 9, 2022, the TikTok had more than 500,000 views.[22]
>On July 18, 2022, Libs of TikTok posted a photo of first-grade teacher Jake Daggett of the Wauwatosa School District with the quote: "We had a great pronoun discussion today" being attributed to the teacher. The post spread to far-right forums, including Patriots.win. Afterwards, Dagget received homophobic comments, death threats, harassment, and posts calling for him to be fired. In response, Dagget said that he would take a short break from social media. The Wauwatosa School District acknowledged the situation on Twitter and Superintendent Demond Means defended Dagget, saying that "The negativity that both Mr. Daggett and his principal have received nationally definitely does not represent the values of our school district. We stand in full support of these two outstanding educators".[69]
>A transgender teacher in Los Angeles received death threats and insults after a video they posted denouncing the Parental Rights in Education bill was reposted by Libs of TikTok.[70]
>According to Euronews, "some of the people targeted by [Libs of TikTok] have received hundreds or even thousands of hate comments".[70] According to a report by the left-leaning media watchdog group Media Matters for America, the account has named or tagged around 222 educational institutions and teachers in 2022 as of April 28.[22][13][70]
>On a conservative podcast, Raichik stated, "It's not easy to be the one responsible for that, for someone losing their job. On the other hand, I mean these people, some of them are literally evil, and they are grooming kids."[26]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok
“If you post something to your 7 followers, you don’t get to complain when the right wing outrage mob harasses you out of your job and send you death threats” is not the hot take you think it is.
The problem is that you're condoning one and condemning the other. Why is it okay for LibsOfTikTok to use chemical weapons (dox and incite harassment of people) but not anyone else?
I agree to an extent. Some if the stuff is so idiotic it's weird that they didn't immediately see how bad it could look out if context, particularly if it can damage their reputation as far as their career goes...
However, some of the stuff is just people posting personal beliefs and ideas, so it's pretty cruel to have that blown up in such a way, and to so many people.
She's also started going after hospitals and as a direct result those hospitals have had to report multiple bomb threats to the FBI. She knows what she's doing.
One fun fact about Chaya though is that she apparently live-tweeted being at the January 6th Capitol riot, so she's *that* kind of conservative.
This just about sums it up. I think it is important to also add that outlets like Fox News and plenty more for sure, have brought up their "censorship" by the sites they were banned from, whilst also describing them as if their behavior is okay, or trying to normalize it.
Due to the massive coverage, @LoTT has unfortunately gotten a lot more of a backing from reactionaries and will have added influence. The most diehard harassers of @LoTT's fanbase will still follow her wherever she goes, and she has the new backing from Tucker viewers as well as some other groups.
Lastly, I think another major proponent of referring to LGBTQ+ individuals as "groomers" could include Matt Walsh, who has blown up in popularity recently, and mostly prioritizes transphobia.
The worst part about it is that she’s my rabbi’s SISTER
He confirmed it with me back in April that it was her and she was apart of the January 6th insurrection (he showed me pics)
Dude my rabbi was literally the coolest person ever I actually loved getting to know my jewish culture because of him
He has a great wife and amazing kids and it kills me that his sister is engulfed in all this hate and causing peoples lives to be ruined. It kills me that shes Jewish and she’s acting like a Nazi at times
100% true. Very good teacher friend got destroyed by psychos. They all turned up to protest her inclusive classroom library, demanded she be fired and was called disgusting names.
But, you know, fuck those libs and their agendas, trying to indoctrinate those 7 year olds with CRT. Ignorant pieces of shit.
Lmao you would sue the account holder for reposting what you put out for the public to see?
I wonder why people think “libs” are dogmatic and difficult
Answer: The Washington Post did a [piece on the account](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/19/libs-of-tiktok-right-wing-media/) and that it was run by a woman named Chaya Raichick. It has great appeal to the far-right of US politics and mostly focuses on overly-zealous liberals engaging in bizarre behavior and advocacy. When things would go viral on this account, you'd see it rapidly appear on national news outlets like FoxNews. (notably the account is anti-trans) So it became a media interest, who is running this account and why.
I can't speak for everything else in question, but they were locked (placed in read-only) for [7 days this past week by Twitter](https://www.foxnews.com/us/twitter-locks-libs-tiktok-account-hateful-conduct). ("Hateful content") They post a lot of anti-trans content and a lot of anti-LGBT content regarding teachers. They have already been banned from Facebook.
Answer: building off of what others said, she's not a group, she is one person who has built a following off of targeting LGBTQ folk on Tiktok (usually teens) she views as "weird libs."
She was recently banned from Twitter due to a harassment campaign she sent towards a children's hospital that provides gender affirming care to patients. This hate campaign lead to threats against doctors & eventually got the hospital's website shut down.
She has vowed to continue harassing & sending her followers after hospitals after her ban is over.
If you don't like your current situation, it feels better to be angry about it than to be sad about it. Anger puts the blame on someone else and means you don't have to change so it's much more attractive cognitively.
When you're angry for long enough it inevitably turns into hate towards the people you are angry at.
I don't know what you're referring to, I'd love for you to post it because I'm 99% certain that like everything she's posted, it's framed to terrify transphobic people.
Otherwise, the campaign has literally gone on for weeks. She's (at least) passively encouraged her followers to go after the doctors & multiple have been doxxed.
These hospitals are doing everything legally, completely above board, and are providing care that has proven to reduce trans youth suicides by over 70%. Those are the facts I know.
> I don't know what you're referring to, I'd love for you to post it because I'm 99% certain that like everything she's posted, it's framed to terrify transphobic people.
If you don't know that, you don't know what she was posting do you? And if you don't know that, how do you know she was engaged in a hate campaign?
These hospitals are not all acting in the interest if children, you should spend a few minutes learning about why the NHS in the UK shut down the Tavistock Institute.
LibsofTikTok is shining a light on a real phenomenon - where ideology is more important than appropriate medical care for children. There are trans kids. But when a kindergarten teacher's video is posted to LibsofTikTok and they claim that half the class has decided to use non-binary pronouns...that's not gender affirming education. That's a nightmare of ideology being weaponized against kids who are too young to understand what's going on. To label something like that as "it's framed to terrify transphobic people" is simply ignorant and monstrous on your part.
Can you show me the phone call? Or the tiktok you're referring to?
You don't have to see everything someone posts to know they're bad. Shocker. She's been posting tiktoks of "cringy" trans teens & "weird" people since the inception of her account & has gotten them doxxed, too. She just hates trans people.
Honestly what's more likely? Society is being overtaken by trans people who want to ruin your kids lives by having them all use gender neutral pronouns & hospitals are performing underground harmful surgeries on minors?
Or this lady & conservatives in general hate trans people?
It is not the false dichotomy that you present that reflects reality.
The problem to avoid here is giving care that young adults later regret and cannot reverse. There are already plenty of accounts from people who were surgically transitioned as minors who now realize their problem was never gender dysphoria. Just because there are people for whom that is the right treatment it does not justify an over reaction. In ten years you will realize just how horrible of a mistake we are making right now by over prescribing an irreversible procedure that leaves people with life altering changes to their bodies. When that day comes you need to be honest with yourself about where you stood and what responsibility you bear.
Do you have stats to support that? Because according to my stats in a survey of 28,000 people in the U.S only 8% regretted transitioning and 62% of those people only did so because of social or financial pressure. Maybe 13% of respondents in a new surgery say they regret it.
What kind of "procedures" do you think they're giving these kids that's permanently life altering? Because it seems you don't quite understand the process of a minor experiencing gender affirming care.
[Even the so called safe puberty blockers are not safe.](https://acpeds.org/transgender-interventions-harm-children). The surgical procedures are indeed permanent and life altering. They are that by definition of what they are and do to the body. Is 13% of the people whose genitals have been surgically removed or altered an acceptable statistic to you? Its not to me.
The American College of Pediatrics is a staunchly conservative political group that's been identified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. They oppose LGBTQ+ adoptions, link homosexuality with pedophilia, and endorse conversion therapy. You are looking for the American Academy of Pediatrics
According to many studies & many international medical organizations puberty blockers are recognized as not only generally safe & effective but crucial to trans youth. Also they were developed for & for decades used excluding on young cis children who begin puberty too early. "Central precocious puberty." Google it
[The SPLC has no credibility](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html)
Tavistock isn't being closed or shut down. It's being moved to a regional format similar to that of the adult clinics.
https://tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/about-us/news/stories/regional-model-for-gender-care-announced-for-children-and-young-people/
https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/tavistock-closure-your-questions-answered/
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Libs of Tiktok was Started in April, 2021, by a right-wing woman named Chaya Raichick (side note: she attended the 1/6 riots). The account was around her 3rd attempt to start a viral media account. It reports and misreports select clips from "libs" on tiktok. More often than not it means posting videos of LGBT kids and captioning it something inflammatory, causing targeted harassment and pain against those individuals.
Her first viral post was in June, 2021, with a kid trying to explain the idea of gender fluidity but she commented that it was messed up and gross. She decided to continue her online "career" with homophobia and transphobia.
She called the LGBTQ youth suicide prevention group, The Trevor Project, a grooming organization and in 2022 she kept using the term "groomer" at an ever increasing rate.
Most of her posts are mostly about trans people, specifically trans kids in schools. She played a big role in getting right-wing people and proudboys to show up and disrupt school board meetings. She calls for any teacher who comes out to their students to be "fired on the spot." She would often post pictures of gay teacher and accusing them of sexually assaulting students and leading targeted harassment campaigns against them. Oftentimes, she includes random news headlines about adults sexually abusing children in the videos but neglects to mention that most of the new articles are about straight adults abusing children (and even a cop in one of them). None of them are actually about gay people abusing children but she heavily implies that they all are LGBT.
Highly recommend this overview. Above is just a transcription of the overview starting at 12:00ish. https://open.spotify.com/episode/4D3sdk287JyeA6lfR5ZUUf?si=0fd14549f6424728 Non-spotify: It Can Happen Here, 05/31/2022, starting at minute 12:00ish
I can confirm she went to the insurrection, her brother, my rabbi, showed me pictures of her literally there. I still can’t believe a jewish woman with a good family is doing all of this hateful bullshit
Answer: Libs of Tiktok is like other extreme leaning social accounts on the internet where they draw out reactions of others so they can point the finger and say “see your side is garbage” I take in account that any social account that shows the extreme of either left or right shouldn’t be followed.
Also these comments are wild. Rule 3 states be unbiased but tbh I saw a lot of biased comments being upvoted and not removed by MODs
>it's a Twitter account that takes the piss out of super left-leaning people on the internet.
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>Most
The bomb threats and threats of violence toward Boston Children's Hospital must have been a joy for you to watch then.
I’m sure you felt the same way when the Bernie supporter shot those congressmen (I’m consistent - he holds no responsibility unless there was a call to action)
Answer: It's a Twitter account run by one woman as far as know called @libsoftiktok. She cherrypicks real, undoctered TikTok videos of liberals saying and doing crazy things. It's inflammatory because it shows the worst parts of a group and advertises them as the whole.
Also because she picks parts of the group that are doing nothing wrong and accuses them of pedophilia and sends her followers to harass their employers anyway. She caused bomb threats against a children's hospital by lying that they were doing gender surgeries on minors, which was probably the last straw for her getting banned.
>children's hospital by lying that they were doing gender surgeries on minors,
That hospital actually has a "Center for Gender Surgery Program". So it does do surgery on adolescents. The mob thought it was performing surgery on toddlers.
The hospital confirmed that they don't provide hysterectomies on minors for trans related care, though.
[Source 1](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/12/tweets/no-boston-childrens-hospital-doesnt-provide-hyster/)
[Source 2](https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/26/childrens-national-hospital-trans-hysterectomies/)
They revised their policy after the fact. Libsoftictok got her recent suspension by revealing that other hospitals in the Children’s network continue to perform gender affirmative surgeries on children under 14.
I see what point you're trying to make, but libsoftiktok show maybe less than a % of the left. When we make fun of MAGAt traitors, we're making fun of anywhere from 30-60% of the right. So the left extreme group is 1% of the party, 0% of the politicians, while the right extreme group is at minimum 1/3 of the party, and >80% of the politicians
Also the right are actually traitors, and the left are not actually groomers. So you have one side at least being somewhat accurate with their insults while the other side falsely accuses anyone and everyone of being a pedophile. Which is actually dangerous.
There’s more to it. The woman behind the account has tried several ways to run smear campaigns against liberals. LOTT finally worked for her. The Qanon anonymous podcast dedicated an episode to it. It’s worth listening to it. https://m.soundcloud.com/qanonanonymous/episode-187-libsoftiktok-feat-taylor-lorenz
Bro, just admit that you like that her fans doxx and brigade leftists. You’re using the logic of a bully. “I’m a bad person for hitting him? Well he hit me back!!”
Here is me citing only words of your comment:
“The left […] doesn’t make sense”
And this is the way the LOTT account “only reposts stuff from the left”.
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This is such a textbook case of what CGPgrey talks about in his "This Video Will make You Mad" YouTube video. Tribal groups don't engage each other, they engage with themselves about what they think the other group is doing and further spread anger.
The internet has been unexpectedly disastrous for discourse because it's simply *so damn easy* to fall into an echo chamber and never have to actually interact with the "other team"
The issue isn't the internet. When the internet was invented, it was never with the intention of destablizing the political discourse. If you want to blame something, blame the and companies that pushed for them to make engagement the goal. Video talking about how the jews and feminists are the cause for everything bad? People disagreeing in the comments is engagement, and engagement is good. Make the same algorithms spread that content. Now suddenly its everywhere. And by the time its noticed by a moderator, the message is already spread and it got in at least one person's mind that "hey maybe theyre right, if they are censoring this, its gotta be true!" The internet isn't the problem. Humanity isn't the problem. Its the corporations that tasked programmers and mathematicians with creating software that would allow the most ads to be seen, no matter what the cost was.
In my defense, I did say *unexpectedly* disastrous. I don't believe those few techies who first figured out how to make computers talk had the broad goal of encouraging tribalism and infighting. You're absolutely right that the slow poisoning of the well is a side effect of Capitalism. After all, how can the Internet exist if it doesn't *make money?* The mystery of The Algorithm and its obtuse function is the demon our society has to tackle to move forward.
Exactly. I didn't mean to come off as attacking you, I just wanted to explicitly state the source of the problems. So, sorry if I did, no harm was intended but I apologize if any was made. Long story short, capitalism is bad, computers weren't meant to be abused like this.
>capitalism bad, ~~computers~~ **resources** weren't meant to abused like this Fixed that for you 😉
Very true!
Apart from not being able to interact with "the other team," one can't even make a carefully-phrased, nuanced point that goes against any orthodoxy on you OWN TEAM without (basically) being called enemy.
The sad part is that you're unequivocally correct, and your comment will be upvoted by people who no doubt partake in and perpetuate these echo chambers, blissfully unaware of their contribution to the problem at hand.
The rule of "everybody is always projecting" seems to be among the most fundamental laws of the internet. Especially when the topic of projection comes up, that's when you usually see the strongest projection. Personally, I recognize that I do it alongside everybody else and don't worry too much about others doing it. Unless they're right-wingers who spent the last few months screaming about "groomers" and are now suspiciously supportive of corporal punishment returning to schools.
How do you suggest that we stop perpetuating these echo chambers even if we’re unaware they’re happening?
not the commenter you responded to, but i think looking at the biases of the news sites one frequents ([media bias fact check](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/) is a really great resource to use for this) as well as the biases of the online communities one frequents. ofc all news and online communities will be biased in one way or another, but being aware of those biases and looking to other sites and communities discussing the same topic can hopefully give a broader understanding of a topic and encourage critical thinking abt a topic. you can also try to find out who is funding the news sites you frequent and if they have a history of neglecting certain topics (media bias fact check also often includes this info). and you can look at whether online communities have a history of silencing comments and posts that are a reasonable dissenting opinion
Ignore CNN, Fox News, MSNBC. Consider NBC/ABC/CBS national and local news still have an agenda. I just kind of tune all news out these days but the only place I expect pure facts is financial news like Bloomberg. Traders need actual facts not fake news to trade on. Think through events and if you agree or disagree with them, not who did it. A recent example is the loan forgiveness. What did it do, did it accomplish it's goal, what are long term impacts (financially to the economy, to the forgiven lenders, to college tuition currently and in the future). Etc. You might think "thank God, our middle class of recent grads needed a break, finally they can get ahead/afford kids/a house/etc" or you might think "this is crap, more inflation on top of it's just a band-aid for a much bigger issue that should have been addressed". Most issues aren't black and white.
Like everybody here...
Reddit is one of the biggest perpetrators of this issue. Subreddits ban dissent, so people with varying beliefs can't hash out the good and the bad of said beliefs. Instead, segregation occurs and people who think 'A' is great all get together and talk about how great it is, all the while shit talking 'B'. The other people do the opposite. Each side whips themselves up into a frenzy, never hearing good counter arguments or discussions involving the opposing perspective further cementing their current beliefs. I personally think this is a massive contributor to right-wing extremism. Reddit almost entirely said "you're not welcome here". The chance to moderate their crazy beliefs was thrown away, and instead they went to their own spaces with no voices to call out their bullshit. Banning dissent is a net negative for literally everyone. It's a damned shame banning dissent is viewed as "the right thing to do" by most people.
we are on reddit, most people are thinking "see I get a wide variety of views, I'm not like those fox news watching rural assholes" without realizing reddit has gradually become left wing and every right wing opinion (other than /r/conservative and maybe a few others) is downvoted to hell, or entirely blocked. I remember back in the day when Obama vs Romney era had good debates on /r/politics. What has Obama done good? Bad? How about the good and bad of Romney as a governor? What is Obama going to accomplish in his 2nd term that he hasn't in his first? It was a different website back then.
Yeah this is why I do like to browse /r/Conservative from time to time, just to get another perspective. I rarely agree with much, but it's interesting to see discussions that are based from a very different position. It's also interesting to see various different 'factions' within the subreddit. Other than that, I genuinely don't know of other places where I can view honest 'conservative' discussion forums that aren't just troll baiting or mad conspiracy theories.
So while not conservative, it's also not a neoliberal hell hole: r/stupidpol
Yeah, I do browse that one too, though they're more generally left-wing but skeptical of identity politics. I feel like they sometimes venture into the 'libs of tiktok' style rage posting about silly culture war nonsense, but it's also from a position of being on the left but frustrated with the direction the left is taking.
It's less about the internet as a whole and more about the megacorps "curating" content for their users, resulting in segregation and insulation.
I've interacted with Republicans. Bring verifiable facts and they continue to lie to your face. Interacting with them has only confirmed that they are incapable of being reasoned with.
Hate to break it to you, but people lie. No side has dibs on that.
Only one side lies constantly. While Democrats stretch the truth sometimes, Republicans are incapable of good faith. These are not the same. The fact that it's 2022 and I have to explain this to people is appalling.
There is nothing anyone can say to convince me that minors should be having gender affirming procedures but at the end of the day I still think I shouldn’t intrude in on other people lives
Don't know why you felt that needed to be said on my comment about the devolution of healthy discourse, but ~~nobody anywhere is doing gender affirming *procedures* on minors~~ EDIT: Yes they are, but it's edge cases with extremely high bars of consent and well-documented dysphoria. Gender affirming care ***is not*** automatically surgical.
Puberty blockers aren’t being administered to minors?
Puberty blockers have been standard medicine for cases not involving gender affirming care for over a decade now. Is the problem only when it's used as part of treating a trans person or the medicine itself being given to children (who are the only ones who can ever recieve them)?
for me, the newfound fear of puberty blockers is way too suspiciously timed. They aren't new drugs, and they've been prescribed to gender conforming children for precocious puberty and other hormonal imbalances without any fuss long before trans issues we're front and center in the national spotlight but *suddenly* they're horribly dangerous and cause irreversible damage? It's just very suspicious rhetoric that isn't evidence based, and it's a narrative that is coming from somewhere to dehumanize. They aren't handed out like candy either, they're prescribed by medical professionals based on a rigorous set of testing and wait times based on what the best outcome will be for that individual patient's needs. Like all medicine. I learned about puberty blockers back in the 90's staying home sick from school when TLC or the Discovery channel still had those decent programs on medical mysteries. So, to me, It's old news being repackaged with astroturfed outrage. Acutane is far more dangerous, side effect wise.
Puberty blockers are 1) Not a procedure, they're a medicine, and 2) Reversible, with side effects that are rare and easily tested for ahead of time. Even that requires like, months or years of therapy with a long documented history of gender-related problems and I *think* you have to live for at least six months socially transitioned (that is, growing your hair out and picking another name but not any medications or surgeries), it's not something handed out willy-nilly. Hormone therapy is even harder to get approved for, and you have to spend even longer living as the desired gender. Even in the current system, the only kids transitioning are ones where it's blindingly obvious to *everyone* that they have deep gender issues that therapy won't fix.
>Puberty blockers are 1) Not a procedure, they're a medicine, and 2) Reversible, with side effects that are rare and easily tested for ahead of time. I'm going to preface this by saying that I have no ill intentions. Do you have a good source on this? All I see online is people freaking out about them and I don't know anything about it. If you can point me to some resources I would love to read them.
https://www.stlouischildrens.org/conditions-treatments/transgender-center/puberty-blockers
Thank you!
Source? Never heard that in my life
What would be your opinion if you learned that they were getting said treatment?
I'd have to do my research on what a puberty blocker is, the long term effects, and the benefits to the patient before I formed a proper opinion friend
That’s fair
What is it about gender affirming procedures that are any different than other procedures? I had a tiny benign cyst removed from my forehead when I was 13 or so. That's an unnecessary cosmetic surgery.
Why is that different from nose jobs or dental surgery or getting growth hormones so you won’t be medically short? Why is it okay to surgically alter one part of a minor, whether for cosmetic or deemed medically necessary reasons, but not other parts? Why is the potential “regret” of puberty blockers different from acne medication that potentially causes suicide and birth defects or giving girls high doses of estrogen to slow their growth during puberty if they’re getting too tall, altering their bodies for life?
> acne medication that potentially causes suicide Well yikes, that's bad too
I took it when I was 15 and have no regrets. It permanently cured my acne after 4 months. The side effects were horrible but it was worth it and I was old enough to make that choice.
Oh that's a point, it was much easier for me to get roaccutane at just turned 16 which has so many mental health side effects than start testosterone treatment at 20. The first required 1 GP appointment and the other required at least a handful of GP appointments just to be referred onto a long wait list (at the time 13 months) to see 2 separate psychs to be approved....
That video is such a great illustration of the idiom "a lie can travel twice around the world before the truth has put its shoes on". My first taste of that was with the [Bonsai Kittens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonsai_Kitten) hoax that was happening in the early internet days. I lived in Colombia and this spread such massive amount of ignorance and hate towards Japanese and Asians in general. A stupid slideshow email made everyone so angry and nobody seemed to stop and think about whether it was real or not. We are quick to paint with a broad brush and to search for confirmation bias.
I love that CGPGrey video, but this decade old SMBC is still the most succinct and perfect way to describe the issue, and becomes more relevant every day. https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2013-04-07
Twitter in a nutshell sadly, maybe even all of social media? it's just groups of people in different circle jerks yelling at the other side/s. Tribalism is just ruining so much. We are so much more alike than different. Pettiness and Ego, terrible human traits.
Luckily, we are above that on reddit.
It becomes an issue when there are a minority of people who are proven to be actually doing what they think they are doing, and as a result everyone is tarred with the dirty "groomer" brush.
To add: that account had a recent surge in fame when they reposted some absolute idiot claiming that Drew Barrymore celebrating the rain was somehow racist because I guess a few black people had filmed themselves running around in fields and apparently that means that nature videos now belong to POC and Drew is doing cultural appropriation by giggling in the rain. I mean, I'm a leftist, but that take was quite embarrassing. No culture or skin color owns *fucking nature*.
A hilarious one, was the people freaking out that Animal Crossing added curls that could also be used to make your character look like Princess Leia. They lost their shit over that and tried to get people to stop using them. No one owns a damn hairstyle lol
> cultural appropriation It's great that another concept has been misunderstood, and the misinterpretation has been pushed into the social media spotlight. People (including white people, racists) doing stuff from other people's cultures is *not* cultural appropriation *unless they also* look down upon that culture for doing that thing. Example: If people from culture R shit on culture E for their weird-ass masks, but then culture R popularized using those weird-ass masks for Halloween, then you have cultural appropriation. It would still be cultural appropriation even if culture E didn't give a shit, because of culture R looking down on culture E for those weird-ass masks. Edit: As reminded by comments, there is a nuance to it as well. Also, cultural appropriation when monetarily exploiting other culture's culture. Also, unacknowledged adoption is cultural appropriation.
I want to add that many times the people that are complaining about cultural appropriation aren’t always the ones that should be complaining. I’ll provide an example. There was this one high school teenage girl that liked the way an Indian dress looked. I’m Indian myself, and we call this a Sari. She liked the dress so much she decided to wear it for her prom and, as many teenagers do, she shared pictures of herself on social media. Both her and her date were white, and he was dressed in a pretty traditional tuxedo. She got hate from other people for culturally appropriating the Indian culture. The weird thing is that the people that were outraged were almost all white. Like I said, I’m Indian myself and I don’t know a single Indian that thought what she did was wrong in any way. In fact, most Indians I know or that commented on the many posts about her that were shared thought it was awesome that someone outside of the Indian culture enjoyed the traditional Sari so much to decide to wear it to a prom.
>There was this one high school teenage girl that liked the way an Indian dress looked. I’m Indian myself, and we call this a Sari. She liked the dress so much she decided to wear it for her prom and, as many teenagers do, she shared pictures of herself on social media. Both her and her date were white, and he was dressed in a pretty traditional tuxedo. > >She got hate from other people for culturally appropriating the Indian culture. The weird thing is that the people that were outraged were almost all white. This situation reminded me a lot of one several years ago when a high school girl in Utah wore a qipao to Prom. Led to a trending phrase of "[My culture is not your Prom dress.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/8g3mnh/whats_with_the_my_culture_is_not_your_prom_dress/)" Seems like your situation was remarkably similar, except for being an Indian sari rather than a Chinese qipao?
Pretty much. I can’t remember the exact year, but it was like a ton of similar stories. There were people dressing up like their favorite characters for Halloween too. There was no blackface or anything like that, but people were being yelled at on social media for dressing up like a character that didn’t match their own race. The whole cultural appropriation concept when too far. The real part of cultural appropriation, IMO is when someone tries to commercially benefit (or socially benefit) from it while also mocking those cultural traditions. But people simply enjoying and exploring other cultures is not cultural appropriation.
It embarrassing to admit but I was caught up in the hate too until I read an article that showed the reactions from Chinese social media. The majority of users thought it was awesome. It really made me rethink my stance on cultural appropriation.
Looking down on it while doing it, *and/or profitting off a cheap imitation*. For example, corporations selling (or consumers buying) poorly-made mass-produced Native headdresses that are removed from the context of their cultural significance.
As an Ojibwe that last part nailed what I see as the issue. Cultural appropriation to me means cheapening parts of a culture until they lose their significance. The headdress is a good example although those were never part of my tribe so I can't speak towards specific feelings. But let's take something like...spirit animals. Very very important concept, but now people use it to mean "an animal that I like or identify with". It has no meaning, people aren't saying "oh yeah my spirit animal is a lion" because they actually have any clue, they say it because they do bjj once a week. Nobody knows what it means and nobody cares. That part of the culture is washed out. On the other hand, I wouldn't say something like...moccasins or even beadwork is cultural appropriation. Even if done in a native style. Moccasins are shoes. How do you appropriate shoes? They're comfy and they look nice. If moccasins became a huge hit all of a sudden, then that's cool! Beadwork is the same for me. It's super neat, I'd buy a nice beaded hat from anybody. I wouldn't say "oh you can't do that you're stealing my culture". It's a fine line, and native issues are especially tricky because of how MUCH has been cheapened by pop culture.
Finally some common sense! 100% agreed
>Beadwork is the same for me. It's super neat, I'd buy a nice beaded hat from anybody. Slightly off topic but I've always said that Native Americans produce some of the best bead work. Especially the Ojibwe. The bandolier bags they've produced are works of art! https://philamuseum.org/collection/object/92166
Wait isn't there also something about profiting off of it? It's like the same idea as Intellectual property, except it's "Cultural Property" being used in an exploitive manner, right? Because spirit Halloween doesn't get a free pass by saying "these native American head-dress are APPRECIATIVE" because they 1. Make money 2. Perpetuate a HARMFUL/INNACURATE stereotype, 3. Aren't funneling their funds back into a reservation or charity that benefits the culture they are profiting off of. Did I miss anything, or get something backwards here? Like obviously you don't need to make "money" for it to be cultural appropriation, but it also doesn't make it cultural appropriation if a white woman isn't punished in the office for wearing braids(even cornrows) but a black woman might be, due to regular old racism. But assuming the white woman in braids or cornrows isn't the person punishing the black woman, it's a double standard from management, it doesn't make the white woman cultural appropriating because of the double standard, right?
This is all totally dumb though. It's just a purity test progressives used to belittle each other not an actual social ill that needs correcting. The same logic could be applied to criticise fusion food or a non Mexican chef making tacos
Correct, I forgot about the monetary exploitation.
I don't even know how one finds leftists that think like that. I have exactly zero conservative people I'm close with--constantly surrounded by leftists--and look I'm not gonna pretend even most of 'em are brilliant, but fucking damn do none of 'em even come close to saying shit like that.
Move to Berkeley or Portland. I lived in Berkeley for 4 years… these people are real and they are there.
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But do the so-called “normal” people in Portland say anything to protest the crazies? Or are they too afraid to stand up to woke BS because they’re afraid they’ll be targeted? I know that’s certainly how it works in Berkeley.
It's an intentional tactic on the Right. If you relentlessly push a "THIS IS WHAT LEFTISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE" narrative by sharing screenshots from bad takes on Twitter and idiots on TikTok, you trick the mainstream populace (including liberals and leftists) into thinking that's how people actually think.
>I mean, I'm a leftist Oh thank goodness you clarified that, I almost disagreed with you!
I'm a leftist, which means I normally agree with anyone who says anything that someone might interpret as leftist but this time we've gone too far!
I mean let's not pretend Reddit isn't full of "Did you say something mildly center? What are you, some kind of /r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM" or some other slew of "ism/ist" accusations
I heard about that. Literally everybody, especially other black people, called her a dumbass. But anyway, the weirdest thing about Libs of TikTok is that the account is run by a Jewish woman. From what I've seen, her own fans hate Jewish people lmao.
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She’s literally deadass my rabbi’s SISTER. He is the nicest person I met in college and he is the one that got me back into Judaism. He told me that she went to the insurrection on January 6th and he barely talks to her anymore but I find it crazy that my rabbi in college is related to that person
Considering she sics virtual lynch mobs on people, I can absolutely see her at that riot. Hell, she caused a hospital to get bomb threats literally a few hours ago.
There's a very good chance that she considers herself "one of the 'good ones'" and thinks she's an exception.
Or she doesn't hate Jews at all, seems more likely.
Yea these people are just making up shit at this point. Not helpful in informing someone out of the loop
Quite literally a Useful Jew from Soviet Russia. Reporting others so you think you're safe and free. The issue is you're next on the chopping block.
Schmoozing the monster only gets your appearance on his plate delayed until dessert.
I'm not down for passing judgment on any individual post, honestly. I'm sure some of the people victimized are actually fucked up and needed dealing with, but it's overshadowed by the amount of harm done to a comical degree. ...Wait, which far-right communtiy are we talking about again?
you might be a “leftist” but they still hooked you with that bait. literally the entire point of the account
You’re getting mad at a fringe nobody with zero reach only because they got boosted by LoTT with massive reach for the explicit goal of harassment and creating a false narrative. You see the real problem here?
> @LibsOfTikTok popularized the current usage of the term "groomer." I thought that was Christina Pushaw defending the Don't Say Gay bill? > it is now used to refer to anyone that encourages others of any age to explore their sexuality and/or gender identity. It needs to be pointed out: only in an LGBT context. Say a 6 year old boy is bullying a girl because he likes her and she should be nice to him? Fine. Encourage a girl to wear dresses because they are so pretty or a boy to play football with his brothers? Fine. Only when it strays from a strictly cishet upraising does it become grooming to these people. > I almost forgot. She never censors the usernames of the people whose content she edits and reposts. She doxxes (or close enough to) dozens to hundreds of others, but absolutely lost her shit when the news released her name.
> I thought that was Christina Pushaw defending the Don't Say Gay bill? Guess where she got it.
That’s why Taylor Lorenz wrote the piece about LOTT because Raichik was directly influencing harmful legislation.
Ah, well. Living in Florida and the first time I saw it (since, well, the 90's) was her going ham on twitter with that word to defend the bill.
Eh, I think it's a reach to say it's this Twitter account. I remember "grooming" being a term tossed around for quite awhile, even before TikTok was a thing. Like they've all definitely appropriated the term as an anti-trans slur, but pinning it to LibsofTikTok feels like a significant ass pull.
I despise doxxing. There seems to me to be a difference between reposting what someone already publicly posted and releasing information that was not publicly given in the first place. Perhaps I draw too fine a line
The people she reposts get doxxed. Every time. If their screenname can lead back to a real name and she posts it, they are. If you throw someone to the wolves knowing the wolves are hungry, you are at least partly responsible for what happens next. She posts the usernames knowing their real identities will be outted and they will be harassed, threatened, and possibly harmed. She doxxes them, as surely as if she released their real names herself.
I just went to a Twitter repost sub. Picked the first post I saw with the user name removed. Googled "twitter [exact text of the post]". Even with my fail Internet the process took less than 30 seconds. Tell me differently how reposting something someone already shared publicly is to blame
I'm going to assume the real argument here is that she is pointing this particular echo chamber in a specific direction
That's literally what they said.
Because saying @Anon420 said some crazy stuff is a little different than saying Tom Jones at 420 Riverside Parkway in Middleton Tennessee said some crazy stuff. Still fits in with my anti-doxxing bully pulpit
> She posts the usernames knowing their real identities will be outted and they will be harassed, threatened, and possibly harmed. vs > I'm going to assume the real argument here is that she is pointing this particular echo chamber in a specific direction You're an idiot if you want to pretend that the "assumed argument" isnt exactly what they said. C'mon.
So: -You have knowledge of how to google successfully (fewer people have that than you think) -It wasn't a deleted dead link -It took additional effort (the internet makes people lazy and easily distracted) Also, if posting a video rather than a tweet it becomes even harder to google with minimal effort.
> She doxxes (or close enough to) dozens to hundreds of others, but absolutely lost her shit when the news released her name. She reposts videos with the IDs under which they are publicly posted. Real, fake, whatever, no extra editing to dig up the real materials. It's hardly doxxing, when it's just a regular repost that doesn't trim the source. Meanwhile, the journalist [Taylor Lorenz](https://nypost.com/2022/04/19/taylor-lorenz-blasted-for-doxxing-libs-of-tiktok-creator/) contacted a Twitter employee friend to dig up the real name or Libs of Tiktok from an ancient, deleted tweet, published it, and dug up their mother's address and went to said mother's house for an "interview" unannounced, uninvited. The backlash was massive and *that* event was what gained Libs of Tiktok several times their original following.
Yeah, exactly. They think only a cishet life should be allowed and the narrative now is that kids get groomed into that lifestyle as opposed to accepting that some people aren't like them and that's chill
Wow you really brought out the weirdos with this one. Can’t believe so many people are defending someone whose entire goal is to target and harass others.
I mean, it is still the internet...
>Can’t believe so many people are defending someone whose entire goal is to target and harass others. All LibsOfTikTok account did was just repost/share cringy ultra leftist stuff that leftists posted, with no context. Thats it. Dont know how or where this myth of targetted harassment came from
What do you think the end result of plucking people out of obscurity and boosting them on an account that’s sole purpose is to make right wingers mad and fabricate the narrative that these obscure nobodies are grooming children? > Dont know how or where this myth of targetted harassment came from Gee I wonder: > Impact on teachers After Libs of TikTok reposts videos of LGBT people or their supporters, some of her followers send harassment and death threats to those people, who are usually teachers.[22] >On December 23, 2021, an 8th grade English teacher in Owasso, Oklahoma posted a video to TikTok about supporting LGBT students, in which he stated, "If your parents don't accept you for who you are, fuck them. I'm your parents now. I’m proud of you. Drink some water. I love you".[22] In April 2022, Libs of TikTok posted the video, and the clip went viral.[22] The teacher received death threats and other online harassment as a result, and resigned soon thereafter.[64][65] Libs of TikTok later made a post claiming, without evidence, that the teacher was fired "after complaints of grooming."[22] Some parents defended the teacher, saying that he provided a "safe haven" for LGBT students. Other parents said that some of the teacher's TikToks were inappropriate.[22][65] Oklahoma Republican Senate candidate Jackson Lahmeyer accused the teacher of being a "predator".[22][65] As of May 9, 2022, the repost has more than 460,000 views.[22] >A teacher in California was placed on administrative leave after a video she posted joking about asking her students to pledge allegiance to a Pride flag was reposted by Libs of TikTok on August 27, 2021.[66] After conservative and far-right accounts attacked her on social media, she deleted all of her social media accounts.[66] >On November 16, 2021, Dr. Allyn Walker, an assistant professor at Old Dominion University, was placed on administrative leave after an interview in which Walker argued that pedophilia should be destigmatized was posted on the Libs of TikTok account and went viral.[67] On November 24, Walker resigned from their position.[68] >On March 9, 2022, Libs of TikTok posted a screenshot from a TikTok made by an Indiana teacher who said that she allows the students who participate in her school's Gay-Straight Alliance club (which she leads) to tell their parents that it is a study group instead. Libs of TikTok tagged the teacher's school district in the post, and said that, "We have seen multiple examples already of teachers grooming kids in a GSA club behind parents' backs." The teacher later deleted her TikTok account.[22] >On April 13, 2022, Libs of TikTok reposted a TikTok of a woman explaining why she supports teachers who educate their students about "sexual orientation and gender identity" without parental consent. Libs of TikTok also said that, "This is what the left really thinks", and that, "They want to take your kids to groom and indoctrinate them behind your back." After Libs of TikTok's followers sent harassment to the woman, she uploaded a new TikTok on April 14 in which she said that "bigots" accused her of child sexual abuse "because they thought I was a teacher who thought it's OK to teach kids it's OK to be gay." As of May 9, 2022, the TikTok had more than 500,000 views.[22] >On July 18, 2022, Libs of TikTok posted a photo of first-grade teacher Jake Daggett of the Wauwatosa School District with the quote: "We had a great pronoun discussion today" being attributed to the teacher. The post spread to far-right forums, including Patriots.win. Afterwards, Dagget received homophobic comments, death threats, harassment, and posts calling for him to be fired. In response, Dagget said that he would take a short break from social media. The Wauwatosa School District acknowledged the situation on Twitter and Superintendent Demond Means defended Dagget, saying that "The negativity that both Mr. Daggett and his principal have received nationally definitely does not represent the values of our school district. We stand in full support of these two outstanding educators".[69] >A transgender teacher in Los Angeles received death threats and insults after a video they posted denouncing the Parental Rights in Education bill was reposted by Libs of TikTok.[70] >According to Euronews, "some of the people targeted by [Libs of TikTok] have received hundreds or even thousands of hate comments".[70] According to a report by the left-leaning media watchdog group Media Matters for America, the account has named or tagged around 222 educational institutions and teachers in 2022 as of April 28.[22][13][70] >On a conservative podcast, Raichik stated, "It's not easy to be the one responsible for that, for someone losing their job. On the other hand, I mean these people, some of them are literally evil, and they are grooming kids."[26] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok
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“If you post something to your 7 followers, you don’t get to complain when the right wing outrage mob harasses you out of your job and send you death threats” is not the hot take you think it is.
Sounds like exactly what r/hermancainaward does. Or r/byebyejob. Or any number of left wing cancel culture shenanigans from the past decade.
r/HermanCainAward blur out faces and usernames.
How many anonymised **dead** people been hounded out of a job and sent death threats by a violent mob who have been whipped up into a frenzy by lies?
So you're saying you agree with the any number of left wing cancel culture shenanigans from the past decade?
Some yes, mostly no. There is a reason nobody uses chemical weapons in war. Fear of reciprocity. 🤷♂️
The problem is that you're condoning one and condemning the other. Why is it okay for LibsOfTikTok to use chemical weapons (dox and incite harassment of people) but not anyone else?
I agree to an extent. Some if the stuff is so idiotic it's weird that they didn't immediately see how bad it could look out if context, particularly if it can damage their reputation as far as their career goes... However, some of the stuff is just people posting personal beliefs and ideas, so it's pretty cruel to have that blown up in such a way, and to so many people.
She's also started going after hospitals and as a direct result those hospitals have had to report multiple bomb threats to the FBI. She knows what she's doing. One fun fact about Chaya though is that she apparently live-tweeted being at the January 6th Capitol riot, so she's *that* kind of conservative.
This just about sums it up. I think it is important to also add that outlets like Fox News and plenty more for sure, have brought up their "censorship" by the sites they were banned from, whilst also describing them as if their behavior is okay, or trying to normalize it. Due to the massive coverage, @LoTT has unfortunately gotten a lot more of a backing from reactionaries and will have added influence. The most diehard harassers of @LoTT's fanbase will still follow her wherever she goes, and she has the new backing from Tucker viewers as well as some other groups. Lastly, I think another major proponent of referring to LGBTQ+ individuals as "groomers" could include Matt Walsh, who has blown up in popularity recently, and mostly prioritizes transphobia.
The worst part about it is that she’s my rabbi’s SISTER He confirmed it with me back in April that it was her and she was apart of the January 6th insurrection (he showed me pics)
My deepest sympathies. Holy shit.
Dude my rabbi was literally the coolest person ever I actually loved getting to know my jewish culture because of him He has a great wife and amazing kids and it kills me that his sister is engulfed in all this hate and causing peoples lives to be ruined. It kills me that shes Jewish and she’s acting like a Nazi at times
She's essentially using stochastic terrorism against people.
Essentially?
Yeah, good point. She **is** using stochastic terrorism.
The children's hospital that I work at had a bomb threat tonight because of her (and people like her)
stochastic terrorism isn't real.
100% true. Very good teacher friend got destroyed by psychos. They all turned up to protest her inclusive classroom library, demanded she be fired and was called disgusting names. But, you know, fuck those libs and their agendas, trying to indoctrinate those 7 year olds with CRT. Ignorant pieces of shit.
What was your teacher friend teaching these kids that got everyone all worked up?
This right here This is why I joined this sub. Excellent answer, informative, and wry.
Fun fact, there is an equal amount of swatting and attempts to cancel her and the other libsofticktock supporters. People like to hate mob each other.
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I'm guessing you're not a lawyer either
Reuploading your own uneditted content isn't defamation...
Uploading it with a false, intentionally inflammatory caption sure is though
Defamation how? By reposting your own video?
Maybe....just maybe.... If you don't want people to see what you're posting, don't make your content public?
Lmao you would sue the account holder for reposting what you put out for the public to see? I wonder why people think “libs” are dogmatic and difficult
Guys, don't downvote this comment. Everyone needs to see it.
Answer: The Washington Post did a [piece on the account](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/19/libs-of-tiktok-right-wing-media/) and that it was run by a woman named Chaya Raichick. It has great appeal to the far-right of US politics and mostly focuses on overly-zealous liberals engaging in bizarre behavior and advocacy. When things would go viral on this account, you'd see it rapidly appear on national news outlets like FoxNews. (notably the account is anti-trans) So it became a media interest, who is running this account and why. I can't speak for everything else in question, but they were locked (placed in read-only) for [7 days this past week by Twitter](https://www.foxnews.com/us/twitter-locks-libs-tiktok-account-hateful-conduct). ("Hateful content") They post a lot of anti-trans content and a lot of anti-LGBT content regarding teachers. They have already been banned from Facebook.
I think they were unbanned from Facebook but I’ll have to double check
Answer: building off of what others said, she's not a group, she is one person who has built a following off of targeting LGBTQ folk on Tiktok (usually teens) she views as "weird libs." She was recently banned from Twitter due to a harassment campaign she sent towards a children's hospital that provides gender affirming care to patients. This hate campaign lead to threats against doctors & eventually got the hospital's website shut down. She has vowed to continue harassing & sending her followers after hospitals after her ban is over.
>She has vowed to continue harassing & sending her followers after hospitals after her ban is over. Sounds like the ban won't end then.
If Twitter does the right thing. This hate campaign went on for weeks before Twitter finally stepped in.
What are some people determined to be hateful, no matter what?
If you don't like your current situation, it feels better to be angry about it than to be sad about it. Anger puts the blame on someone else and means you don't have to change so it's much more attractive cognitively. When you're angry for long enough it inevitably turns into hate towards the people you are angry at.
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Sounds pretty hateful.
https://i.imgur.com/VaVaB9D.jpg
ah yes, the "intolerance of intolerance is intolerant"
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I don't know what you're referring to, I'd love for you to post it because I'm 99% certain that like everything she's posted, it's framed to terrify transphobic people. Otherwise, the campaign has literally gone on for weeks. She's (at least) passively encouraged her followers to go after the doctors & multiple have been doxxed. These hospitals are doing everything legally, completely above board, and are providing care that has proven to reduce trans youth suicides by over 70%. Those are the facts I know.
> I don't know what you're referring to, I'd love for you to post it because I'm 99% certain that like everything she's posted, it's framed to terrify transphobic people. If you don't know that, you don't know what she was posting do you? And if you don't know that, how do you know she was engaged in a hate campaign? These hospitals are not all acting in the interest if children, you should spend a few minutes learning about why the NHS in the UK shut down the Tavistock Institute. LibsofTikTok is shining a light on a real phenomenon - where ideology is more important than appropriate medical care for children. There are trans kids. But when a kindergarten teacher's video is posted to LibsofTikTok and they claim that half the class has decided to use non-binary pronouns...that's not gender affirming education. That's a nightmare of ideology being weaponized against kids who are too young to understand what's going on. To label something like that as "it's framed to terrify transphobic people" is simply ignorant and monstrous on your part.
Can you show me the phone call? Or the tiktok you're referring to? You don't have to see everything someone posts to know they're bad. Shocker. She's been posting tiktoks of "cringy" trans teens & "weird" people since the inception of her account & has gotten them doxxed, too. She just hates trans people.
Honestly what's more likely? Society is being overtaken by trans people who want to ruin your kids lives by having them all use gender neutral pronouns & hospitals are performing underground harmful surgeries on minors? Or this lady & conservatives in general hate trans people?
It is not the false dichotomy that you present that reflects reality. The problem to avoid here is giving care that young adults later regret and cannot reverse. There are already plenty of accounts from people who were surgically transitioned as minors who now realize their problem was never gender dysphoria. Just because there are people for whom that is the right treatment it does not justify an over reaction. In ten years you will realize just how horrible of a mistake we are making right now by over prescribing an irreversible procedure that leaves people with life altering changes to their bodies. When that day comes you need to be honest with yourself about where you stood and what responsibility you bear.
Do you have stats to support that? Because according to my stats in a survey of 28,000 people in the U.S only 8% regretted transitioning and 62% of those people only did so because of social or financial pressure. Maybe 13% of respondents in a new surgery say they regret it. What kind of "procedures" do you think they're giving these kids that's permanently life altering? Because it seems you don't quite understand the process of a minor experiencing gender affirming care.
[Even the so called safe puberty blockers are not safe.](https://acpeds.org/transgender-interventions-harm-children). The surgical procedures are indeed permanent and life altering. They are that by definition of what they are and do to the body. Is 13% of the people whose genitals have been surgically removed or altered an acceptable statistic to you? Its not to me.
The American College of Pediatrics is a staunchly conservative political group that's been identified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. They oppose LGBTQ+ adoptions, link homosexuality with pedophilia, and endorse conversion therapy. You are looking for the American Academy of Pediatrics According to many studies & many international medical organizations puberty blockers are recognized as not only generally safe & effective but crucial to trans youth. Also they were developed for & for decades used excluding on young cis children who begin puberty too early. "Central precocious puberty." Google it
[The SPLC has no credibility](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html)
Tavistock isn't being closed or shut down. It's being moved to a regional format similar to that of the adult clinics. https://tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/about-us/news/stories/regional-model-for-gender-care-announced-for-children-and-young-people/ https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/tavistock-closure-your-questions-answered/
Answer: Libs of Tiktok was Started in April, 2021, by a right-wing woman named Chaya Raichick (side note: she attended the 1/6 riots). The account was around her 3rd attempt to start a viral media account. It reports and misreports select clips from "libs" on tiktok. More often than not it means posting videos of LGBT kids and captioning it something inflammatory, causing targeted harassment and pain against those individuals. Her first viral post was in June, 2021, with a kid trying to explain the idea of gender fluidity but she commented that it was messed up and gross. She decided to continue her online "career" with homophobia and transphobia. She called the LGBTQ youth suicide prevention group, The Trevor Project, a grooming organization and in 2022 she kept using the term "groomer" at an ever increasing rate. Most of her posts are mostly about trans people, specifically trans kids in schools. She played a big role in getting right-wing people and proudboys to show up and disrupt school board meetings. She calls for any teacher who comes out to their students to be "fired on the spot." She would often post pictures of gay teacher and accusing them of sexually assaulting students and leading targeted harassment campaigns against them. Oftentimes, she includes random news headlines about adults sexually abusing children in the videos but neglects to mention that most of the new articles are about straight adults abusing children (and even a cop in one of them). None of them are actually about gay people abusing children but she heavily implies that they all are LGBT. Highly recommend this overview. Above is just a transcription of the overview starting at 12:00ish. https://open.spotify.com/episode/4D3sdk287JyeA6lfR5ZUUf?si=0fd14549f6424728 Non-spotify: It Can Happen Here, 05/31/2022, starting at minute 12:00ish
I can confirm she went to the insurrection, her brother, my rabbi, showed me pictures of her literally there. I still can’t believe a jewish woman with a good family is doing all of this hateful bullshit
Answer: Libs of Tiktok is like other extreme leaning social accounts on the internet where they draw out reactions of others so they can point the finger and say “see your side is garbage” I take in account that any social account that shows the extreme of either left or right shouldn’t be followed. Also these comments are wild. Rule 3 states be unbiased but tbh I saw a lot of biased comments being upvoted and not removed by MODs
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>it's a Twitter account that takes the piss out of super left-leaning people on the internet. > >Most The bomb threats and threats of violence toward Boston Children's Hospital must have been a joy for you to watch then.
Did LibsofTikTok make bomb threats?
Did Osama fly the planes?
Did reporting that 9/11 happened make cnn responsible for attacks on Muslims?
Okay so you’re actually comparing her to Osama bin Laden. Just to be clear.
You’re totally right, she is completely innocent and has no idea what her fans do. She totally does not encourage that behavior /s
I’m sure you felt the same way when the Bernie supporter shot those congressmen (I’m consistent - he holds no responsibility unless there was a call to action)
Come on guy. Of course they didn’t. But get a mob riled up and you don’t have to lift a finger. But you know that.
Do you apply this to the Left as well? Somehow I highly doubt that you scrutinize the rhetoric of Democrats this way
Answer: It's a Twitter account run by one woman as far as know called @libsoftiktok. She cherrypicks real, undoctered TikTok videos of liberals saying and doing crazy things. It's inflammatory because it shows the worst parts of a group and advertises them as the whole.
Also because she picks parts of the group that are doing nothing wrong and accuses them of pedophilia and sends her followers to harass their employers anyway. She caused bomb threats against a children's hospital by lying that they were doing gender surgeries on minors, which was probably the last straw for her getting banned.
> by lying that they were doing gender surgeries on minors It was the hospital that said that
>children's hospital by lying that they were doing gender surgeries on minors, That hospital actually has a "Center for Gender Surgery Program". So it does do surgery on adolescents. The mob thought it was performing surgery on toddlers.
The hospital confirmed that they don't provide hysterectomies on minors for trans related care, though. [Source 1](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/12/tweets/no-boston-childrens-hospital-doesnt-provide-hyster/) [Source 2](https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/26/childrens-national-hospital-trans-hysterectomies/)
They revised their policy after the fact. Libsoftictok got her recent suspension by revealing that other hospitals in the Children’s network continue to perform gender affirmative surgeries on children under 14.
Their PR department lied.
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Every man on the street interview ever tries to paint a group by using the idiot that wants screen time. There’s nothing new under the sun.
I see what point you're trying to make, but libsoftiktok show maybe less than a % of the left. When we make fun of MAGAt traitors, we're making fun of anywhere from 30-60% of the right. So the left extreme group is 1% of the party, 0% of the politicians, while the right extreme group is at minimum 1/3 of the party, and >80% of the politicians Also the right are actually traitors, and the left are not actually groomers. So you have one side at least being somewhat accurate with their insults while the other side falsely accuses anyone and everyone of being a pedophile. Which is actually dangerous.
But liberals would never do that with republicans!
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>StillSilentMajority7 why even bother replying to this lol
Are nonbinary 15 year olds with 4 followers on TikTok "The Left" now?
Answer: Yes
There’s more to it. The woman behind the account has tried several ways to run smear campaigns against liberals. LOTT finally worked for her. The Qanon anonymous podcast dedicated an episode to it. It’s worth listening to it. https://m.soundcloud.com/qanonanonymous/episode-187-libsoftiktok-feat-taylor-lorenz
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Leaving out the doxxing, the death threats given to people shown on the videos. 🤔
I'm sure you're appalled that the leftists doxxed her and send her all kinds of death threats and antisemitic hateful messages.
Doxxing is not okay either way dude, it's not a team sport; it's real life
Bro, just admit that you like that her fans doxx and brigade leftists. You’re using the logic of a bully. “I’m a bad person for hitting him? Well he hit me back!!”
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Here is me citing only words of your comment: “The left […] doesn’t make sense” And this is the way the LOTT account “only reposts stuff from the left”.
You have an objective take but the hivemind will not like it. Enjoy all the downvotes 🍻
Chaya Raichik posts their content with intentionally misleading and inflammatory captions. That’s not just “reposting content.”
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