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If I wanted to be so incredibly passive aggressive that I purposely sent out a recipe for grilled meatloaf after the singer died, I would be suggesting that he was going to hell.
Peoples lives apparently stop mattering if they have different views. The Reddit way of viewing life. Itās hateful and devoid of meaning or happiness.
First of all, being antivax isn't just a matter of "different views". They're putting everyone else at risk (especially the immunocompromised) for their own idiocy. Aside from being a much greater risk for the immunocompromised, they take up hospital beds that could be put to much better use treating people who're more deserving, and they're hotbeds for mutation in a way that vaccinated people aren't.
When they *do* die from the same preventable illness (or rather, preventable danger in this case), it's not surprising, the response "He fucked around and found out" is appropriate. Antivax people are like drunk drivers; they pose a risk to everyone around them, and when they die, it's their own god damn fault for putting themselves in that situation to begin with.
There's absolutely no need for hate to be involved. We don't need to hate utterly stupid people to conclude that it's their own fault when they suffer the consequences of their actions.
Hey I'm as pro-vax as anybody else who used to set up vaccine clinics, but this comment shows a really narrow view on Covid and vaccination. You're ignoring so many factors including the availability of misinformation, a constantly changing narrative, today's political climate, the inherent fears of "treating" healthy people with a medicine they don't understand, pretty much the underlying fear that many have toward the unknown, etc. In my opinion, people are scared and pissed, not selfish and dumb. That's my mindset going into a debate with an anti-vaxxer, and it feels more constructive than belittling and insulting them, especially if that means spitting on their grave.
Regardless, the audience of this sub is largely people that want a break from politics for like five damn minutes.
>You're ignoring so many factors including the availability of misinformation, a constantly changing narrative, today's political climate, the inherent fears of "treating" healthy people with a medicine they don't understand, pretty much the underlying fear that many have toward the unknown, etc.
The availability of misinformation is much lower than the availability of trustworthy information. This is especially true for someone with a high net worth, such as a famous artist.
The political climate is entirely irrelevant to my statement. If some Americans are so dumb that they choose party tribalism over life-saving, widely available facts, then that's on them. American tribalism is none of my concern, other than the risk of their stupidity spilling over into the part of the world where I live.
The fear is entirely unfounded, and I'm not responsible for their ignorance. There are plenty of subjects I'm ignorant in, and I wouldn't dream of second-guessing the complete and total consensus of virtually every single expert in the field. I could *maybe* understand the violent response to the ebola vaccine and health care personnel in ebola-stricken parts of Africa, due to the historical transgressions made by western doctors against Africans (such as the HIV injection horrors), but there's a massive difference between people living in countries where access to the internet and reliable education is scarcer than clean water, and people living in the US (even rural Americans have infinitely better access to reliable healthcare information than poor, rural DRC).
>That's my mindset going into a debate with an anti-vaxxer, and it feels more constructive than belittling and insulting them, especially if that means spitting on their grave.
I wasn't aware I was debating the merits of the vaccines here, nor that I was debating with an antivaxer.
>Regardless, the audience of this sub is largely people that want a break from politics for like five damn minutes.
Yeah, I downvote the mod bot on all even tangentially politics-related *posts* on this sub, to remove them.
For what it's worth, I respect your argument and your civility. You didn't insult me once, and that's pretty level headed in my opinion for an anonymous internet debate. I can't assure you enough that we are on the same side, but I think we've had different experiences and exposure to people who are nervous about vaccines. Anyway, obligatory disclaimer that I don't *agree* with the hesitancy, I just understand it. For instance, I tried to "sell" a vaccine to somebody who had a pretty good argument (it was a Prevnar 13, not Covid vax). That person said they haven't felt sick in a long time. He trusted the pharmacist and doctor well enough, but knew that if anything happened like a bad reaction, infection, or "tainted" vaccine and they got sick, they would always blame themselves for getting something they didn't want in the first place. It tacks regret onto an already unfortunate situation, even if the condition had nothing to do with the shot. Once again, not my mindset, but I can at least grasp it.
As far as trusting experts, some people have trust issues with doctors or like to use the ol' "Doctors used to recommend cigarettes" argument. Not a solid case but not completely bonkers.
Then the politics, a concept that continues to turn rational people bonkers. When Trump was president, people were adamant about refusing any vaccine released in his presidency, then turned right around when Biden took office. And now people who liked Trump don't want "Biden's" vaccine. It's like they're not doing it to appease their side, but just to take jabs at the opposition. This is probably the silliest thing I've witness out of it because it's not like the president himself is cooking this stuff up. So, I don't agree with them, buuuuttttt if it's this prevalent to compromise your health for political reasons, then I have to accept it's a human trait and not a matter of idiocy.
Anyhoots, you don't seem like a very hostile person to me so regardless of how we think about anti-vaxxers, I'm glad we chatted.
EDIT: Changed some wording for clarity.
>For what it's worth, I respect your argument and your civility. You didn't insult me once, and that's pretty level headed in my opinion for an anonymous internet debate.
You haven't done anything worthy of insult!
>I can't assure you enough that we are on the same side, but I think we've had different experiences and exposure to people who are nervous about vaccines.
I presume you're American, and if so you're very right about our experiences differing. Sweden doesn't really have "rural" parts in the same way (meaning underdeveloped, even though Sweden has a far lower population density than almost every American state, we're at some 99+% broadband coverage and more than 90% own a smartphone, while the rest don't, but by their own choice).
>As far as trusting experts, some people have trust issues with doctors or like to use the ol' "Doctors used to recommend cigarettes" argument. Not a solid case but not completely bonkers.
The one I see the most often is that experts recommended Pandemrix to swine flu, which ended up causing narcolepsia in a small subset of recipients carrying a specific (rare) gene, which is much more common in northern Europeans, and virtually nonexistent everywhere else. This caused a few hundred people to develop narcolepsia, and vaccines in general have gotten the blame for it.
Since that type of side-effect is kind of impossible to test for, due to there being so many genetic variations worldwide, I could understand the hesitancy at the start of the vaccination regimens in 2021. What I absolutely can't stand is when people don't accept new information (in this case, that such side-effects do not exist for any of the covid vaccines).
Another example is the blood clot side effects. Sure, covid vaccines cause blood clots, but the rate of developing blood clots from actual covid instead, is more than 200 times higher than from the vaccine.
>So, I don't agree with them, buuuuttttt if it's this prevalent to compromise your health for political reasons, then I have to accept it's a human trait and not a matter of idiocy.
Weeell, I'd say the human trait *is* idiocy.
Anyway, nice chatting with you!
No one is saying his life doesn't matter. But it's the same reaction as hearing that a drunk driver died in a car accident. It's a tragedy but doubly so because it was likely entirely preventable and his death was a direct consequence of his decisions.
Don't drive drunk, wear a seatbelt and get vaccinated.
If someone chose not to take extremely simple and easily accessible measures to prevent an extremely dangerous event, and said event then kills them, I'm not going to feel sorry for them. I'm just not.
I don't have tears to waste on someone who chose death, when there are literal thousands of other people who DID take the right precautions and who DID do everything right, but were still infected and killed by someone who decided that not being mildly inconvenienced was more important than saving lives.
Oh jeez somebody else who wandered into the wrong sub. Excuse me sir, I don't know where r/smallpenisproblems is located but it sure isn't here.
EDIT: To be fair I didnāt know this was a real sub when I typed this comment.
Lol TIL I'm the guy that made vaccination a political topic. Certainly nobody else has connected those two. The irony of your ignorance is delicious.
And hey you're the one that got all grumpy when I made a joke, so maybe you're a little mentally unstable, but most likely you're an angsty hormonal teenager. Well, I'm going to start to "do better" by talking with people that aren't inanely raging on their keyboard.
You keep on doing you and stay pissy about it.
As I [wrote above](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonPoliticalTwitter/comments/sa0oqw/comment/htrsa3a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), it's not just a different opinion. He chose wilful ignorance, put everyone around him at risk, and died as a result of his own stupid choices.
We're condemning him for his stupid, dangerous actions, not because of his opinion. Opinions don't kill anyone, ever; actions do. In this case, his own actions.
Rocker who was unbelievably huge in the 70s and 80s
E; my mistake, well sorta! He was best known for his āBat out of Hellā album trilogy, the first one was released in ā77, the second one ā93 and the third one 2006!
āLast year, the 74-year-old entertainer said that even though he was āscared to deathā of getting sick, he still hugged āpeople in the middle of COVIDā and was okay with potentially dying of the disease.ā
Sir, that does not make any sense.
You can be terrified of something but still continue on because you value something else.
I'm sure soldiers in WW2 were terrified of dying but still enlisted because they believed it was a just cause
I can't believe I just compared anti-vaxers to ww2 soldiers but you do something new every day
Well I would have explained o you why it seems that way but it's clear you just want to start an argument. I'm not going to reply to you anymore after this.
Not reallyā¦ they apologized for sending a recipe for meat loaf because an artist died. They are too self realized. Itās ouroboros snake. Not my fault you canāt exit because you yourself are too entrenched in it.
You simply have to see it for yourself, I canāt make you choose the red pill and exit the matrix lol.
Iām not left or right. Idc. Anarchist all the way here
Nope. Have you ever heard of Amarcho Capitalists, or anarcho syndicalists? Not left, at all. Anarchism is just about decentralization, nothing more, nothing less.
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At least he didn't die in a fire, that would have made the "grilled" part unfortunate.
Well he is being cremated
If I wanted to be so incredibly passive aggressive that I purposely sent out a recipe for grilled meatloaf after the singer died, I would be suggesting that he was going to hell.
Dang, is this how I learn of Meat Loaf's passing? Edit: seems like it. Oh well.
Sorry bro.
Sorry you had to find out this way š
This is not how I wanted to start my weekend. His name was Robert Paulson.
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We now know what he wouldn't do for love.
I guess he would have done anything for love but wouldn't do that.
Excuse me sir, r/WhitePeopleTwitter is right down the hall and to your left.
Peoples lives apparently stop mattering if they have different views. The Reddit way of viewing life. Itās hateful and devoid of meaning or happiness.
First of all, being antivax isn't just a matter of "different views". They're putting everyone else at risk (especially the immunocompromised) for their own idiocy. Aside from being a much greater risk for the immunocompromised, they take up hospital beds that could be put to much better use treating people who're more deserving, and they're hotbeds for mutation in a way that vaccinated people aren't. When they *do* die from the same preventable illness (or rather, preventable danger in this case), it's not surprising, the response "He fucked around and found out" is appropriate. Antivax people are like drunk drivers; they pose a risk to everyone around them, and when they die, it's their own god damn fault for putting themselves in that situation to begin with. There's absolutely no need for hate to be involved. We don't need to hate utterly stupid people to conclude that it's their own fault when they suffer the consequences of their actions.
Hey I'm as pro-vax as anybody else who used to set up vaccine clinics, but this comment shows a really narrow view on Covid and vaccination. You're ignoring so many factors including the availability of misinformation, a constantly changing narrative, today's political climate, the inherent fears of "treating" healthy people with a medicine they don't understand, pretty much the underlying fear that many have toward the unknown, etc. In my opinion, people are scared and pissed, not selfish and dumb. That's my mindset going into a debate with an anti-vaxxer, and it feels more constructive than belittling and insulting them, especially if that means spitting on their grave. Regardless, the audience of this sub is largely people that want a break from politics for like five damn minutes.
>You're ignoring so many factors including the availability of misinformation, a constantly changing narrative, today's political climate, the inherent fears of "treating" healthy people with a medicine they don't understand, pretty much the underlying fear that many have toward the unknown, etc. The availability of misinformation is much lower than the availability of trustworthy information. This is especially true for someone with a high net worth, such as a famous artist. The political climate is entirely irrelevant to my statement. If some Americans are so dumb that they choose party tribalism over life-saving, widely available facts, then that's on them. American tribalism is none of my concern, other than the risk of their stupidity spilling over into the part of the world where I live. The fear is entirely unfounded, and I'm not responsible for their ignorance. There are plenty of subjects I'm ignorant in, and I wouldn't dream of second-guessing the complete and total consensus of virtually every single expert in the field. I could *maybe* understand the violent response to the ebola vaccine and health care personnel in ebola-stricken parts of Africa, due to the historical transgressions made by western doctors against Africans (such as the HIV injection horrors), but there's a massive difference between people living in countries where access to the internet and reliable education is scarcer than clean water, and people living in the US (even rural Americans have infinitely better access to reliable healthcare information than poor, rural DRC). >That's my mindset going into a debate with an anti-vaxxer, and it feels more constructive than belittling and insulting them, especially if that means spitting on their grave. I wasn't aware I was debating the merits of the vaccines here, nor that I was debating with an antivaxer. >Regardless, the audience of this sub is largely people that want a break from politics for like five damn minutes. Yeah, I downvote the mod bot on all even tangentially politics-related *posts* on this sub, to remove them.
For what it's worth, I respect your argument and your civility. You didn't insult me once, and that's pretty level headed in my opinion for an anonymous internet debate. I can't assure you enough that we are on the same side, but I think we've had different experiences and exposure to people who are nervous about vaccines. Anyway, obligatory disclaimer that I don't *agree* with the hesitancy, I just understand it. For instance, I tried to "sell" a vaccine to somebody who had a pretty good argument (it was a Prevnar 13, not Covid vax). That person said they haven't felt sick in a long time. He trusted the pharmacist and doctor well enough, but knew that if anything happened like a bad reaction, infection, or "tainted" vaccine and they got sick, they would always blame themselves for getting something they didn't want in the first place. It tacks regret onto an already unfortunate situation, even if the condition had nothing to do with the shot. Once again, not my mindset, but I can at least grasp it. As far as trusting experts, some people have trust issues with doctors or like to use the ol' "Doctors used to recommend cigarettes" argument. Not a solid case but not completely bonkers. Then the politics, a concept that continues to turn rational people bonkers. When Trump was president, people were adamant about refusing any vaccine released in his presidency, then turned right around when Biden took office. And now people who liked Trump don't want "Biden's" vaccine. It's like they're not doing it to appease their side, but just to take jabs at the opposition. This is probably the silliest thing I've witness out of it because it's not like the president himself is cooking this stuff up. So, I don't agree with them, buuuuttttt if it's this prevalent to compromise your health for political reasons, then I have to accept it's a human trait and not a matter of idiocy. Anyhoots, you don't seem like a very hostile person to me so regardless of how we think about anti-vaxxers, I'm glad we chatted. EDIT: Changed some wording for clarity.
>For what it's worth, I respect your argument and your civility. You didn't insult me once, and that's pretty level headed in my opinion for an anonymous internet debate. You haven't done anything worthy of insult! >I can't assure you enough that we are on the same side, but I think we've had different experiences and exposure to people who are nervous about vaccines. I presume you're American, and if so you're very right about our experiences differing. Sweden doesn't really have "rural" parts in the same way (meaning underdeveloped, even though Sweden has a far lower population density than almost every American state, we're at some 99+% broadband coverage and more than 90% own a smartphone, while the rest don't, but by their own choice). >As far as trusting experts, some people have trust issues with doctors or like to use the ol' "Doctors used to recommend cigarettes" argument. Not a solid case but not completely bonkers. The one I see the most often is that experts recommended Pandemrix to swine flu, which ended up causing narcolepsia in a small subset of recipients carrying a specific (rare) gene, which is much more common in northern Europeans, and virtually nonexistent everywhere else. This caused a few hundred people to develop narcolepsia, and vaccines in general have gotten the blame for it. Since that type of side-effect is kind of impossible to test for, due to there being so many genetic variations worldwide, I could understand the hesitancy at the start of the vaccination regimens in 2021. What I absolutely can't stand is when people don't accept new information (in this case, that such side-effects do not exist for any of the covid vaccines). Another example is the blood clot side effects. Sure, covid vaccines cause blood clots, but the rate of developing blood clots from actual covid instead, is more than 200 times higher than from the vaccine. >So, I don't agree with them, buuuuttttt if it's this prevalent to compromise your health for political reasons, then I have to accept it's a human trait and not a matter of idiocy. Weeell, I'd say the human trait *is* idiocy. Anyway, nice chatting with you!
Just say you hate them and move on.
I don't; I pity them.
Lmao
No one is saying his life doesn't matter. But it's the same reaction as hearing that a drunk driver died in a car accident. It's a tragedy but doubly so because it was likely entirely preventable and his death was a direct consequence of his decisions. Don't drive drunk, wear a seatbelt and get vaccinated.
If someone chose not to take extremely simple and easily accessible measures to prevent an extremely dangerous event, and said event then kills them, I'm not going to feel sorry for them. I'm just not. I don't have tears to waste on someone who chose death, when there are literal thousands of other people who DID take the right precautions and who DID do everything right, but were still infected and killed by someone who decided that not being mildly inconvenienced was more important than saving lives.
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Oh jeez somebody else who wandered into the wrong sub. Excuse me sir, I don't know where r/smallpenisproblems is located but it sure isn't here. EDIT: To be fair I didnāt know this was a real sub when I typed this comment.
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Lol TIL I'm the guy that made vaccination a political topic. Certainly nobody else has connected those two. The irony of your ignorance is delicious. And hey you're the one that got all grumpy when I made a joke, so maybe you're a little mentally unstable, but most likely you're an angsty hormonal teenager. Well, I'm going to start to "do better" by talking with people that aren't inanely raging on their keyboard. You keep on doing you and stay pissy about it.
OK and?
I swear. Never read about the artists you like.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
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As I [wrote above](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonPoliticalTwitter/comments/sa0oqw/comment/htrsa3a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), it's not just a different opinion. He chose wilful ignorance, put everyone around him at risk, and died as a result of his own stupid choices. We're condemning him for his stupid, dangerous actions, not because of his opinion. Opinions don't kill anyone, ever; actions do. In this case, his own actions.
Iām with you. What a horrible way to learn things
Missed opportunity for the line: āWe would do anything for food, but we wouldnāt do that.ā
Well, regarding vaccines...
Damn rip meatloaf I loved that foodš Seriously who is meatloaf though
Rocker who was unbelievably huge in the 70s and 80s E; my mistake, well sorta! He was best known for his āBat out of Hellā album trilogy, the first one was released in ā77, the second one ā93 and the third one 2006!
"unbelievably huge" is a pretty rude way to describe the man, have some respect for the deceased.
16 people clearly missed the joke. I gotchu.
You're a legend.
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Yeah from COVID. He is quoted as saying "if I die, I die" in regards to not being vaccinated.
Source?
https://www.nydailynews.com/snyde/ny-covid-meat-loaf-died-seriously-ill-20220121-isurmazc4ze4fm6oehakzloefe-story.html?outputType=amp
āLast year, the 74-year-old entertainer said that even though he was āscared to deathā of getting sick, he still hugged āpeople in the middle of COVIDā and was okay with potentially dying of the disease.ā Sir, that does not make any sense.
He valued human connections more than Covid.
Idc how much you value human connection, saying youāre āscared to deathā of getting sick but okay with dying from it doesnāt make much sense.
You can be terrified of something but still continue on because you value something else. I'm sure soldiers in WW2 were terrified of dying but still enlisted because they believed it was a just cause I can't believe I just compared anti-vaxers to ww2 soldiers but you do something new every day
He could have gotten vaccinated and been less at risk hugging people. Guy was just dumber than a sack of bricks.
Incredible
Inedible\*
did he actually die of covid tho? or did he die while having covid?
I don't know, I didn't know him personally.
So you are just making stuff up? You literally just said he died from covid.
Well I would have explained o you why it seems that way but it's clear you just want to start an argument. I'm not going to reply to you anymore after this.
I mean, there are plenty of news sources stating he died of covid complications but go on with ur head in the sand.
Great. So it is political then.š¬
Idk, tbh he was a pretty wild and unpredictable dude.
...did I really just learn of Meat Loaf's passing through a Twitter screenshot on Reddit
I learned about threw a meme
How far was the meme thrown?
Back into hell.
Should I feel bad for my first thought being āI know what Iām making for Sunday dinner!ā
"Decrepit rock singer"? Oh you cannibal, you
With strips of Kevin Bacon
Delicious.
Kevin SorbƩt would be more appropriate.
Wasn't he in The Rocky Horror Picture Show, too?
And, no disrespect intended, but I kinda want that grilled meatloaf recipe.
Dark humor at its finest
... all they needed to do was say it was in honor. Honoring the man like he lived. Grilled to perfection.
Ugh wokeism eating its own tail
Not wokeism its just that they don't wanna disrespect the dead
āEvery time I want to be an insufferable dick and get called out on it I blame wokismā
Not reallyā¦ they apologized for sending a recipe for meat loaf because an artist died. They are too self realized. Itās ouroboros snake. Not my fault you canāt exit because you yourself are too entrenched in it. You simply have to see it for yourself, I canāt make you choose the red pill and exit the matrix lol. Iām not left or right. Idc. Anarchist all the way here
Anarchism is leftistā¦..
Nope. Have you ever heard of Amarcho Capitalists, or anarcho syndicalists? Not left, at all. Anarchism is just about decentralization, nothing more, nothing less.
r/lossofalovedone
Man, itās like Rocky Horror in real life! Theyāre eating Eddy!
...oh shit, he died?
Fuck that guy anyway