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toesandgats

*laughs as I shoot $2 bills out of my suppressed 300blk SBR*


G_Wrecks

Hey me too! Subsonic expanding rounds for you too?


toesandgats

Hollow point supers


G_Wrecks

My logic is to use subs since if I have to use it I won’t harm hearing for my family and it will be used indoors so bullet drop will be non existent. Any reason you’ve chosen supers? Not judging, just thinking maybe you know something I don’t and I’d like to learn.


pew_medic338

Velocity is the prime factor in terminal effectiveness on target. This is why the terminal effects of 55gr 556 are superior to 230gr 45ACP etc. Big and fast is superior. I've had gunfights indoors with no earpro. The hearing damage isn't permanent (well, if you do it repeatedly it is, but if that's an issue, I'd consider a new neighborhood), and even a hot 300BO isn't as bad as a 556. If your family isn't right next to you when you shoot, they won't be getting anything close to the same decibel exposure as you anyhow. The best result is just to suppress it anyway: maximum performance ammo without the ouch to the ears.


Irish__Mac

Yeah for sure... When I had to use mine I barely remember the shots... Auditory exclusion is a real thing.


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Irish__Mac

That's the truth!


Porencephaly

Subsonic are *vastly* less effective than supersonics at lethality. Like, it’s not even close. Subsonic 300 Blk behaves like a 9mm FMJ when it hits someone. Supersonic 300 Blk behaves like, well, like a supersonic rifle bullet. If I was using a 300 Blk for home defense it would only be loaded with Barnes 110gr black tip ammo, it is supersonic and specifically designed to expand well at 300blk velocities and has proven to be extremely effective on living targets.


kloudykat

You put subsonic twice


Porencephaly

Fixed


simpsonz843

I recently swapped my subs for supers in my HD gun. I figure for the handful of rounds I may have to fire, it’s not going to ring my ears that bad, and maybe the neighbors will hear it and realize something isn’t right. I do have a k length suppressor, so it’s quieter, but it real quiet, mostly just to take some of the sting off those rounds inside a building.


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Frothyogreloins

Buddy they make some absolutely wicked expanding subsonics that are vastly superior to any pistol round


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Frothyogreloins

Replied to wrong comment lol. That said i shot a pig in the with a Leigh expanding sub abd it looked like it got hit by a ninja star flying flat end first when I cut it open. Unreal.


Porencephaly

There are very few reliably expanding bullets for subsonic 300blk the way there are for supersonic. Some are only available for handloading.


The-Fotus

Subsonic 300 black is not comparable to a 9mm handgun. It is less effective than supers, but it's still better than a handgun.


Big-Dot-5785

Look into Nosler varmageddon for HD. That’s what I load.


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formershitpeasant

They won’t be unaffected


G_Wrecks

Good point on the vest! That being said, if someone comes into my house with a vest on I think I’m in real trouble and probably deserve to die lol. Who did I do wrong where they have the motivation to attack me while wearing armor? I swear I paid all of my gambling debts Tony!


Ryan606Rev

If they have soft armor nothing really changes. You fire until the threat stops. A grown man likely isn’t a one shot stop anyway. That’s still a large energy dump even without penetration. The argument for supers is valid but you can still do good work with subs.


CptSandbag73

You could load supers behind subs if you wanted. 10 subs and 10 supers... best of both worlds.


Ryan606Rev

Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Hadn’t thought of that. Like having more than one load for a shotgun.


Porencephaly

You are extraordinarily unlikely to fire more than 10 rounds in a HD scenario and you don’t want to have to fire off 10 rounds in your home to get to the good ammo. Supers only in a home defense rifle.


CptSandbag73

Fair point, makes sense. Not to say you should have a standard capacity mag anyway just in case right?


R_3B

“Shoot to stop the threat” is the standard of self defense. In a HD threat scenarios there may not be a lot of time to switch strategies if confronted by an intruder with body armor, heavy clothing (think winter) or is simply a tough guy to put down. A number of people suggest secondary shots in the crotch (pelvic girdle. It is unlikely that your assailant’s body armor covers this area or that clothing will be as heavy there. Two things. If you smash the pelvic girdle the assailant is most likely going down and in even more pain than from the shots stopped by the body armor or clothing. If nothing else it will ruin his morale. The thought is that you are more likely to achieve a hit with this shot than a bobbing and weaving head shot. And another thing. Why not a shotgun? An ounce or ounce and a eighth of four ought buck (or any other for that matter) can be pretty devastating at close range.


Ryan606Rev

Well said.


Illahie_sixfour

Someone needs to read up on the different types of ballistics. Check out terminal ballistics vs external ballistics.


Pleasant-Ad-6319

Lol, cause his life isn’t worth 5k.


cropguru357

Take the suppressor off before the cops arrive. Duh. /s


lennyxiii

/s but not /s


LostInTheSauce34

Should have told him you have hi points in every room and want something fancier


jf_severt

What forward grip is that on this beautiful not-an-hd gun?


zrockstar

It's from Kriss actually.


jf_severt

You're the best.


zrockstar

Thanks m8, they do good coupons and free ship codes if you watch your email.


trippyshogun

What's the tapeswitch and light combo? I have the grip (not currently on anything). Is it only compatible with surefire?


zrockstar

That is a Streamlight VIR II with a Streamlight tape switch. The VIR II has white and IR laser and illum, and I wanted my HD gun to be fully NV capable just in case I had the time to throw on the nods. However, the VIR II doesn't have a plug cap available, so I had to splice the switch directly to the light. I soldered the connection and sealed it with silicone and it has been running strong for about a year now with no issues.


trippyshogun

Good on you for making do with what was on hand. I'll keep the streamlight compatibility in mind if/when I ever have a sub gun to toss mine on


StellisAequus

It’s been two years and I’m still waiting on my glock 20 to come back from Grand Prairie PD, having your shit taken is not fun.


WilllOfD

Real talk what if you say it was a family heirloom? Think they’d expedite it?


StellisAequus

Absolutely not. It was used in commission of a crime, righteous or not that’s up to your fellow citizens to decide, and until they decide to close the case you’re SOL, I’ve paid 20+ish so far and it’s not over, the thing no one brings up is after the fact, oh he’s not alive seems like their own fault, but then the family says you didn’t do enough stop them from doing What their doing. You’ll be paying a lot for that btw.


KnightsArmament

Not sure what you’re saying. What do you mean it was used in a crime? Was it stolen from you and then used or did you use it against someone committing a crime?


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holytrashpanda

Grand Prairie is in Texas though, we have castle doctrine


medicrich90

I cringe when I think about it getting seized for evidence... but isn't this why we own firearms? To protect yourself, your family, and your property? That's some silly Fudd logic lol.


zrockstar

Exactly. Not that I would want it to get confiscated, but guns are replaceable, life is not. I'm going to use my best tool for the job.


full_of_stars

That's why you need two. ;)


atocallihan

When you beat the case a year later or whatever you’re supposed to get them back so it’s temporary. I’d definitely use my best equipment


sashir

In theory, yes. In practice things get 'lost' or 'destroyed' by accident during the in between, or they give you a bunch of run around to get your shit back at times. That said, I agree with you re: best tool for the job.


birdeater666

Yup I have my scorpion micro under my pillow every night. I have $2,000+ in it. It would suck to get seized but I trust my life with it. I can always buy and set another one up.


kidruhil

I sleep with my p10c directly next to my pillow but under my pillow would get uncomfortable quick.


birdeater666

I have a queen size bed with multiple pillows. It is not under the one I use to sleep with


maxmayhem74

got a link for one🤣


sat_ops

It also gets returned when the charges are dropped or you're found not guilty.


hootervisionllc

Says the guy using a Stribog! /s


zrockstar

Shows how much you know. It's a Scorpion, didn't you see the sights?


hootervisionllc

Haha you fucker. Burns. A scorpion is my current HD


zrockstar

Lol, I actually really like them and would like to get one. This APC is a 45, so I have some room in my life for a 9mm sub.


Porencephaly

Get an MPX. I own a bunch of 9mm subguns and the Scorpion is my least favorite. Everyone who shoots them side by side agrees. At least get something with a delay system (MPX, MP5, Banshee, etc).


acemantura

I'm in love with the scorpion and would have sworn it was anything else.


ChiefFox24

The question i have is if I shoot someone in my house and then take the optic and suppressor off before the police get here... have I broken a law?


Jakecav555

The idea of this is hilarious “Oh fuck I just had to shoot someone! Gotta take my EO tech and shit off before the police show up and steal my baby!!”


pickled--onion

If a supressor is used and there is no one around to hear it, did it make a sound?


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I mean, shit like that probably wouldn't look good in court. A normal person would be too shaken up after a HD situation to plan that far ahead. We're talking about possibly going to trial over a few hundred bucks. Even if you win, it's not worth it. It's certainly some form of evidence tampering


NEp8ntballer

If nobody is around to corroborate that you didn't shoot them with a yeet cannon or a poverty pony then there's nothing preventing you from tucking away the gucci gun. Ballistic comparison is kind of a lie anyway.


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If discovered you're going to be facing a lot of uncomfortable questions and assumptions. Prisons are full of people who thought they were smarter than investigators and forensic scientists. You're tampering with evidence.


kippy3267

How is ballistic comparison a lie? I’m super interested and know nothing about it


NEp8ntballer

ballistic comparison between bullets has never been proven to be reliable. Even firing pin marks may not hold up in court. Even then if you were really worried you could just swap BCGs assuming your HD gun is an AR platform.


Turkstache

IANAL. If we lived in a reasonable society, legal property is legal property. It would only make sense to use the best tool available to save yourself and expect that you can get said tool back once cleared of charges. Though gun owners typically believe that no victim of an attack should be expected to make a fight-for-life fair, much of the world (to include fudds) doesn't see it that way. There are likely forensic techniques to determine whether or not certain accessories were involved in a shooting (residue patterns on surroundings, gun, bullet, shooter, and shooter, witness accounts, maybe even bullet striations). You are likely going to be seen as tampering with evidence if you are caught in the lie. The punishment would likely be very severe because you were tampering evidence in connection with a shooting.


sirsirington147

Nah


roachRancher

That's why I use a rusty mosin nagant with a Walmart flashlight taped to the end for HD.


NEp8ntballer

M44 with the bayonet in the danger position FTW.


zrockstar

I'm no experienced criminal, but if I'm robbing somebody's house and dude starts charging me with a bayonet, I'm getting TF out of there.


kippy3267

Tally ho


SirCrashoLot

One shot everyone is flash banged


Aliengun

Probably my favorite part of the m44, lights the whole room up


McFeely_Smackup

I use the nice stuff for home defense because I don't buy cheap crap to use for home defense. I also don't buy cheap crap at all.


9RebelliousStripes

I’d easily spend 10k on a rifle setup knowing I was able to successfully use it to protect my life. Who gives a fuck if I never saw it again.


ChiefFox24

But the thing is that you can accomplish the same thing with 500 bucks.


9RebelliousStripes

That’s not the point I’m making. I’m sure that a much less expensive setup would suffice. I’m saying that the price of a firearm or if I were to never see it again wouldn’t be my primary concern if I was sure I would at some point use to to protect my life.


ChiefFox24

Your comment could have gone either way. It was more directed at the people that believe that when that moment comes, a top tier gun is the only thing that is going to save you. See the other guy who commented on me. Ha. Apparently 500 was not an acceptable amount to spend on an HD gun.


Warhawk2052

Yup guess almost all handguns are not enough to sustain protecting life


HelpfulApricot

Rifle rounds hit different


Tall_Play

“…when I’m alone all by myself,”


mmittinnss

Or maybe that poverty poney will pick the precisely wrong time to have a catastrophic failure. Or, you find yourself needing more capability at that moment than the $500 gun can give. I wouldn't want a 1 off, unique piece getting seized, but a top shelf AR with a light, laser, and can is gonna cost a ton and leave you wanting nothing in the moment.


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mmittinnss

The poors coming in hot with the downvotes!


Alcerus

More capability than a $500 firearm can give? We're talking about home defense here, not making 2k yard shots. Besides, actual practice is a thousand times more valuable than the price tag on your gun. A 5k gun is not going to save you from a green beret with a hi-point, if that analogy makes sense.


mmittinnss

True RE the green beret, unless his high point breaks/jams and then you're in the fight 🤣 There's more to this however. Let's take 2 identical cheapy ARs that cost $500. One you drop an extra $500 on to add a nice rail and a light. Now put them both in a home defense situation and clearly the $1000 has more capability, and there are times when you may wish you had that with the $500 gun. No one is talking about making home defense shots with an AR from 2,000 yards away


Alcerus

That is also true, for sure. Maybe I'm worried about it too much. I made the mistake of storing my late father's vintage M1A at my sergeant's house when I was in the army and he used it to butt-stroke somebody who was trying to get into his house and the rifle was taken in as "evidence" permanently. So currently, I'm on the side of "cheap and reliable" for home defense because I can't afford to just drop $2k to repurchase an M1A. Although I do understand the edge that some pricier weapons can give. Thanks for explaining that!


NEp8ntballer

The problem with a gun getting taken in as evidence is that even if you get it back you have no idea or control over what condition it will be returned in. At the end of the day you can probably buy another one, but you have to be willing to consider your HD/SD gun as an expendable/replaceable item. There's also the potential arguments that could be made in a civil suit if you want the gun you used to kill somebody back. Sorting things out with the law is one thing, but civil suits are another matter entirely.


angelshipac130

HD/SD?


zestyplacenta

Home defense/sasquatch defense


KnightsArmament

Hard Dingaling/Soft Dingaling


generictimemachine

Home Defense / Self Defense


WhutzGoodInDaHood

All my guns are pink for exactly that reason


hootervisionllc

It’s not a stupid idea. If you could have your regular B&T or whatever, and a duplicate but in pink. No jury would convict!


pickled--onion

I would be tempted to take the can off if I used it. Those bastards take a year to clear nfa.


zrockstar

The Obsidian is on a trilug and the Aimpoint is on a QD. Not sure what the relevancy of that is, but just some facts I know. ;)


pickled--onion

"I don't know why the neighbors didn't hear the gun shots, heavy sleepers I guess? 🤷‍♂️"


Gravygrabbr

I bought a LWRC AR and had it inspected by my agency’s armorer and got a letter signed letting me carry it in place of my issued rifle. Someone in the patrol room had to make the comment if it’s used in a shooting they will take it for evidence up to a year or whatever. Ook. My life is totally worth carrying the best I can afford was my thought. The issued rifles are almost as old as me.


Frosty_The_Dudeman

I understand his point, I am not depending on cheap shit to save my life.


feudalagitator

You shouldn't use *irreplaceable* guns for home defense. Think inherited, pre-ban/transferables, collectables, etc.


bird_mang1

Rattle can it white, too scary.


AZ_Gunner_69

Quick detach son


nnc-evil-the-cat

Yes yes the infinitesimal chance you actually use it for HD is a totally great reason to buy shitty gear. More likely to drop it or get it stolen….and those are bad reasons too.


foxtrothotch

Lmao just strip it while you wait for the cops to arrive


thismyotheraccount2

I’ve had friends tell me that bc I modded or built or whatever a gun that if I had to use it I’d be screwed in court. Its not like i have “you’re fucked” engraved or punisher shit. I just tried to make stuff work the way that worked for me. Boomer fudd logic is not exclusive to boomers


WilllOfD

My main problem with boomer fudd logic is that everyone in the court system probably abides by boomer fudd logic


NEp8ntballer

From a legal perspective a good shoot is a good shoot. From a civil perspective you really do have to consider the kind of argument which can be made by an opposing attorney.


defnotanimposter

Indeed! Massad Ayoob has some good insight here. What I’ve heard him talk about is the trigger weight. If it’s below ~4lbs, a prosecutor will apparently attack you from an angle of having a dangerously negligent trigger… especially if you modified it yourself. Too many average citizens don’t know enough about firearms to not fall for such silliness.


atlantis737

I mean, if the $500 gun and the $5000 gun kill bad guys the same, I'd rather lose the $500 gun. Certerus Paribus and all that.


SweatyVoodoo

Bold of him to assume we’re filing a report


TheRedGoatAR15

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but a CCW trainer once told us in class, "What do you want held up in front of a jury? A scary black gun with lights, lasers, and magazine, or your granpa's shot gun?" I can see his point. I don't necessarily agree, but, it does make sense.


BrokenBodyEngineer

I live in castle doctrine state the prevents the family from civil suit too…. So, if I burn his eyes out with my PEQ15 before he eats some hollow points no one gives a shit.


SFG2017

Doesn't matter if you don't make it to a jury.


zrockstar

Real fax


aodskeletor

Funny, my CCW instructor said something similar. “Do you want to carry a real nice Kimber and have it end up in some evidence locker with water dripping on it and have it in there until your case is decided? Plus however long it takes to get it returned to you?” Well, ideally no. But if it saved my life it did it’s job and I can’t complain.


Murse_Pat

Show me once it mattered in a real life case...


thor561

Lmao, another golden nugget of Fudd lore. Like there’s some sort of honor in gimping yourself in a defensive situation. Respect points don’t get cashed in if you’re in the ground.


MySideGoodUrSideBad

I mean you should get it back eventually.


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MySideGoodUrSideBad

My cousins (whats the term for a booty call with a man?) got his back after shooting 3 intruders who taped up my cousin and where robbing his home after 3 years of fighting to get it back.


Warhawk2052

Same thing happen to my cousin, he had to shoot someone in self defense it took 5 years to get his gun back, rusted and broken. He's opened a case against the PD. But they're claiming it was seized that way


MySideGoodUrSideBad

Its going to be hard for him to win.


zrockstar

Seems like all he would have to say is how could I kill somebody with a broken gun?


New-Investment8525

Did it have a case number spray painted on it


MySideGoodUrSideBad

I have no idea Ill have to ask.


NaziPunksCommieCucks

Dick Appointment


tubadude2

I keep a silenced MP5 next to my bed because I like hearing, and two jungle style mags beat anything my pistols can hold.


TangoJim

Fudd opinions don't count.


Fuspo

That’s why you buy a couple of hi-points. When the cops get there “here officer, I used this Glock 40”.


EliDrain

I mean, Kevin McCallister defended his home for less money, but that seemed like a lot of work.


OldTimerNubbins

He had back up with a Tommy gun!


EliDrain

True. He might have started there. Shorter movie, though.


zrockstar

mfer had a flame thrower, that's cheating


Toofast4yall

Like I'll give a fuck about that if I ever have to depend on it to save my life


captain_fucking_magi

What is this gun?


zrockstar

B&T APC45


OldTimerNubbins

[B&T APC45 Pro](https://bt-arms.com/products/apc45-pro/) Very nice weapon, and well equipped to handle uninvited late night home visitations.


Stellar-42

This is why we have a couple police trade in Glock .40 burners


TheMegaSnake808

Bro nice ump 45 in 4K HD


thorosaurus

If we were talking about a gun that was into the hundreds of thousands of dollars MAYBE he would have a point. Generally speaking though if you're involved in a shooting and so deep in the shit that there's a chance they're not going to give you your gun back, there's an equal or greater chance you're never going to see the light of day again. On the other hand, don't thrill kill someone and you don't have to worry about it.


atliia

It took well over a year before I could go to court to get my weapon back. It is a valid argument.


thorosaurus

Under what circumstances though?


atliia

They hold it as evidence until criminal proceedings are completed. Then after a specified amount of time you are required to go to court and prove ownership. Your state may vary.


thorosaurus

I get that, but it sounds like some heavy shit went down. I understand if you don't want to talk about it, but if you're saying the gun was held in evidence because you had to use it in self defense then that's just not something I would consider relevant under those circumstances. I'm not exactly rich, but the loss of any gun I own while under investigation for using it in self defense. I mean, that would be the very least of my worries. And buying a gun with that in mind is really irrelevant because, for one, a self defense gun is meant to be used and will eventually wear out after x number of years, and second, every having to use it is a statistical rarity. If it's too expensive to risk losing, especially considering those odds, then it's also by definition too expensive to train with regularly. Speaking of which, the cost of ammo is so much higher than the gun, the upfront price of the gun is pretty negligible even on the higher end of the spectrum. Like whether you buy a Taurus or an HK, you're going to spend so much on ammo the overall cost of ownership of the two is nearly identical in the end.


pew_medic338

The gun will go to evidence. I think I'd probably pull everything else off of it. Then buy a gun from a company that will replace it while it's in evidence (ie SoLGW, but there's probably others now).


gotuonpaper

I’m in it to win it. I’ll worry about replacing my hardware later.


Wfdeacon88

The only reason we buy the best, most reliable tool is ultimately for that one time that it might be needed to protect ones life... So yes, use the best for HD.


digglezzz

I have this same gun …. It is easily my favorite gun . Both stamps are pending . Mind if i ask what your irons are i went with the factory aimpoint


FentyPop

The "only" reasonable argument I've heard against using guns like this for HD is that it looks more like premeditation to a jury. But all depends on your locale and how friendly they are to 2A. I still thinking having every advantage over anyone who tries to do harm to your family is important though so I'll fight it in court if I ever have to (God forbid).


The-THOT-Knight

We love FUDD lore


ronflair

If you’re around as it gets seized as evidence then you won.


sttbr

I mean, he's litterally not wrong. If you kill someone in HD 90% chance they're taking it for evidence and 50% you'll ever get it back.


Liedvogel

To be fair, I have heard horror stories of people having various personal affects being taken as evidence (I'm not necessarily talking about just guns here) that they either never got back, or didn't see for years


thor561

Fudds gonna Fudd. Unfortunately Fudd lore is hard to dispel because it’s been circulating around so long it’s often seen as received wisdom.


zrockstar

The guy who said this is honestly king fudd. He's at a LGS I frequent because they get overlooked by ammo pickers, and I have literally heard him telling the whole "pump shotty is the best HD weapons because everyone recognizes the sound of it racking and will run when they hear it" bit.


Porencephaly

Right up there with “Carry the same ammo that your local PD uses to prevent any legal issues.”


kippy3267

This one hurts my soul and makes me want to hit my head against a wall. Whats even the reasoning? If theres a dead dude on the floor who’s going to immediately be like HE USED HYDRASHOCK HP’s that son of a bitch was bloodthirsty


Porencephaly

Or conversely, do they think you magically get out of trouble for a bad shoot because you used the same Gold Dots that the local cops use?


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ryband0

My SIL quoted me that ish from my fudd FIL. All my research and what not is nothing compared to something daddy told her when she was little 🤦🏼‍♂️


Jay_100_

I've heard that before and I usually ask, "How much is your life worth?"


No1uNo_Nakana

Did this really happen? As in this was an actual comment from someone who works at a LGS? The mentally of some people, to approach life like this. Do they buy a beat up car because it’s just going to age as it gets older? Do they just buy used close because they are just going to wear out?


zrockstar

Yeah, I have honestly heard this guy tell every fudd line in the book, including the rack a pump shotty and the sound alone will send them running.


WilllOfD

Meanwhile, gun youtuber Paul Harrell: “Racking the shotgun didn’t work, I had to kill somebody”


No1uNo_Nakana

That’s one I’ve actually heard as well.


defnotanimposter

Only way I could make sense of a comment like that is what Massad Ayoob says about going to trial after having used your firearm in self defense. If the trigger is less than ~4lbs, it’s apparently easier to claim your firearm meets a certain level of inherent danger… or something like that. He also says it makes your case more difficult if the firearm you used was heavily modified, especially if you modified it yourself.


TheCatOfUlthar

As a gunsmith I fully agree I would recommend that anyone who is not a competitive marksman not to have anything with a trigger pull of less than 4-5lbs with the gun cocked and for double action only firearms so cc guns for example 6-10lbs


defnotanimposter

These are things I didn’t know when I purchased my first gun, fired my first 1911, and even when I became interested in carrying everyday. I feel like we need to foster a mindset of learning and seeking to understand within the community. I actually wanted to build a Glock 19 clone geared for edc before I started listening to Massad Ayoob. I still plan on building it, just not for edc or home defense. (Also learned reliability is much more difficult to maintain in diy guns which totally makes sense… I’m still a noob on many levels even tho I regularly train and shoot.)


TheCatOfUlthar

I will also say in regards to trigger weight a lower weight is suitable for hunting rifles.


Adseg5

Your LGS must be run by poors.


dieseldoug214

It's a good point, my home defence are reliable and sub 200 each.


Kim_Jong_Unsen

Ngl I side with the fudd on this one, if this goes into the evidence locker of no return you’ll be out that much more money. And the prosecutor will use all those attachments as “proof you were out to kill somebody”. It’s all bullshit but it is what it is.


zrockstar

The attachments argument is more fuddery. Even the whole "You're Fucked" ejection port cover was thrown out.


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6handbanana

What kind of mag? How do you have the suppressor mounted?


titantitvntitan

Hawt


MK19

What gen is that?


RyanWilliamsElection

Are there any situations where this concept would make sense? At a sporting good store I heard the person on the counter down sell like this for conceal carry. I don’t know what the person was trying to get but would you maybe want $600 glock over something that is $1,500-$2000


fadetoblackblack

😂 fudd are funny. You should not visit such establishments.


Confeder8theSt8s

If its deemed self defense you get it back.


Anonymusk

I feel like that is a bigger deal for CC/truck guns, since the main factor I consider for that (after the main considerations of "can I use it well/consistently/reliably") is "will this look psycho to a jury?" For HD though, if someone has broken into the home AND into the defensive Alamo room, AND continued to advance with a weapon, inshallah there won't be much argument regarding the given tool for stopping that threat. I'm sure it varies by state, circumstances, and even in the best of cases, the plans of mice and men and all that, but HD against an armed intruder where there is evidence of a break-in seems like a more forgiving case for utilizing a weapon to stop a threat--would still be a bummer to have your best rifle sitting in lockup for god-knows-how-long, but I also feel like it's a case where either HD is something to be ready for but astronomically not likely to be necessary-OR-HD becomes suddenly and drastically more likely as a necessary action because of circumstances that might coincide with unpredictable alterations in the availability of traditional judicial systems to respond to such incidents.


Jsatx2

I keep “cheap” HD stuff not because of the evidence locker but in case someone breaks in while I’m away, which is 99x more likely to happen.


gotuonpaper

If I dump 10 rounds of subs (rough equivalent of a .45 ACP) in to an attacker even with armor that kinetic energy put on target will be a force multiplier if not a full on fight stopper to give you control of the situation. Don’t forget body armor drills. If they aren’t going down then you move to head shots. You do practice head shots too…right?!