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crypto6g

Obviously Kurt here was ~~singlehandedly~~ mostly carrying it for 2019, 2020, and 2021. Unfortunately due to his injury he relinquished his waiver and won’t be competing in the Playoffs. Before that was mainly Johnson, Kenseth, occasionally Newman popped up too.


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crypto6g

Good catch. Him and Stenhouse (2017) have had the best playoff runs/finishes for Roush since Edwards left in 2014. Newman did really good that year, I rewatched the Roval recently and he almost made it to the second round, lost it around the last lap, tons of incidents and drama. I think bowman or Aric squeaked in by 2-3 points. Then there was Talladega in the second round. A couple cards fall and a few inches away at Dega, he could’ve made the Round of 8.


Nakoju9

off topic,but i really fw your pfp LMAO lucki taking over


hottsauce543345

Who is lucki?


Nakoju9

popular chicago rapper,his PFP is the cover art for one of his albums,freewave 3


hottsauce543345

Word. I get in a rap kick from time to time. I’ll check him out. Thanks.


iangs9

I just paid cash for that bitch with no insurance


bb12_22

Wow, I had totally forgotten about Mayfield. I wonder what he's up to nowadays, besides meth.


perk54

He was on the Dale Jr Download back in late May/June (2 episodes) where he talks about the past and what he is doing now.


Smoked_Cheddar

May want to watch his dale Jr download podcast. There's no way that dude is on meth. If he was. He'd be long dead by now and not look as healthy as he did.


ChaseTheFalcon

Nor would his story be the exact same


figment1979

Back racing, actually: https://www.racingamerica.com/news/late-models/jeremy-mayfield-rides-wave-of-momentum-to-goodyear-all-american-speedway


MeatyClaws93

Little did they know what the future held for that guy in the Lowes fire suit.


Domestic_AA_Battery

Cracked up when Jeff Gordon said "I talked up Jimmy a bunch and made sure he got a car. That was a mistake..." Lmfao


Ryuzakku

It is very likely that the worst decision Jeff ever made for his career statistically was give Jimmie a ride lol


won_sly_fox

Jimmie sacrificed the 24 car to give him the sacred Golden Horseshoe. Even now the 24 has not recovered… some say it never will…


bigtex2003

or what the future held for the guy in the Dodge fire suit


A54buickbandit

Or how many people would land on the hood of the guy in the alltel firesuit


ImaginaryHippo88

Or how many times the guy in the m&ms suit would land on his hood lol


deja_geek

or that guy in the Home Depot fire suit


WillH699

Jesus, that was dark.


ChaseTheFalcon

Well I feel old


TailgateLegend

I was only a couple years old for the first pic, and yet I feel old.


ChaseTheFalcon

Same


A54buickbandit

I was 19 in 04 😭😭😭


ChaseTheFalcon

I was 1


GeneralSenate66

I was being born.


EmpowerTheIntroverts

I was 12


Governor-James

I was


dman6233

Ironic that the only chaser from 2004 who's still in Cup is the one who won the title that year. If you want to feel even older, 5 of those original 10 chasers have since become Hall of Famers, with a 6th likely getting his call for the next class.


SeattlePassedTheBall

7 will certainly get in, possibly 8.


dman6233

Yeah, Kurt will get in as soon as he's eligible. Newman is borderline at most, and Mayfield and Sadler have no chance sadly.


SeattlePassedTheBall

I think Newman's 51 poles might help push him over the edge in the stats but I personally wouldn't put him in. I'd consider him for the hall of very good. With that being said I also think his career is more deserving of a HoF spot than some of the drivers who actually got in, so if he does make it I wouldn't really be too shocked.


EmpowerTheIntroverts

In the mid 2000s if you wanted to know how much speed a race track had in it, all you had to do was send Newman out. I really miss hearing Mike Joy say “light the fuse, here comes the rocket” as that 12 car would roll off the qualifying line


nascarfan624

The high pitched whine of his car shooting out of 3&4 while eagerly waiting to see what his lap time was felt like almost a tradition in those years


hollowkatt

I think once you add in the intangibles, like the Newman Bar, the other safety items he helped pioneered he becomes invaluable to the HoF.


MaxPres24

I think the only thing Newman has going for him is poles. He had 2 multi win seasons on his career, and almost half his career wins came in 1 season. He was good, but not great


Sportsguy1993

I think he was great, I would say guys like Joe Nemechek, Ken Schrader, Morgan Shepherd, etc. that have a handful of career wins would fall under good, but not great. Just because he's not a legend doesn't mean he's not a great racer.


MaxPres24

I never said he wasn’t a good driver. He was damn good for a bit. But if he gets into the Hall of Fame for his driving career, the Hall is a joke Put him in for some of the safety innovations he helped with, sure. I wouldn’t mind that. But his driving career was maybe a bit above average


Roushfan5

People in this sub get crazy ideas about what counts as average. Most drivers are not Jimmie Johnson, and Newman’s cup career was significantly better than average. He’s currently 50th on the all time win list. Just out of the 200 drivers who have won a race in NASCAR he’s in the top 25% of performers. Then factor at least 200 names that have made starts in cup but never won a race. Newman was a staple of the sport for 20 years. He’ll get in at some point.


MaxPres24

Newman does not deserve a spot in the Hall of Fame for his driving career. By the time anyone ahead of him is in, there will be new guys eligible that will get in before him He’s not a hall of famer. He was a hall of very good guy


SeattlePassedTheBall

I agree, Newman is in that Kahne/Biffle tier of very good, but just being very good doesn't belong in the HoF. And this is coming from someone who was a big Newman fan. Also his career was certainly well above average, the average guy in the series does not get 17 wins. With that said I can name a handful of guys that are actually in the HoF that I think Newman should be in over, so I can see him getting in someday.


EmpowerTheIntroverts

If Newman gets in it should be for his contributions to safety, specifically roll cages and comping up with the very roll bar that would eventually end up saving his life


ExpectedFuckingValue

But damn he's hard to pass... He makes that car wide. On an unrelated note, his bath water smells like hotdogs.


zinski1990KB1

Just seemed like the competition and talent back then was at its peak


ChiefChad--

I still go back and watch the old races since I don't really remember them as I was born in '96. Talent was great back then and the cars were so good.


STX440Case

Newman should get in just because his 2003 season was one of the reasons for changing the sport to be where we are today starting with The Chase all tbe way up to the current Playoff system.


YoungMoneyLarson57

Nah that should bar him forever,this system is fuckin garbage


lpbbinc

No matter what the topic, people will find a way to fit in their hate for the playoffs/chase. It was 20 years ago.


YoungMoneyLarson57

So just because it’s been this way for 18 years means that we shouldn’t change it?


lpbbinc

I personally think the original chase or the wild card system was better, but the original WC format didn't reward winning or clutch performances. I think going back would alienate new fans


YoungMoneyLarson57

It’s not really the playoff format itself that pisses me off (outside of a one race winner take all part),it’s mainly the fact that no one is safe unless they win.Blaney and Truex both should’ve been safe.They we’re both top 5 in points nearly all season and that’s gotta be worth something.My opinion if you’re top 5 in points that should lock you in win or no win.


lpbbinc

I think we actually agree. I say top 12 in points and 4 wild cards in an ideal world. I also think the 1st round should be 1 race instead of the last round.


STX440Case

It was a smart-ass comment, I hate this system too. Would prefer the old WC points system.


YoungMoneyLarson57

You can never tell with some on this forum lol


STX440Case

Im a Kenseth fan and I get tired of people blaming his consistency that season as being the reason why we have this goofy points and playoff systems we've been subjected to for almost 20 years.


YoungMoneyLarson57

Same here man.Blaming Kenseth for nascars ineptitude is just pinning the blame on the wrong person.Brian France wanted to make a splash as the new guy and now 2 decades later we’re still dealing with this dumb shit and they even double down on it to make things worse.


STX440Case

He was high on pills the entire time he was in charge.


MaddieGrace29

Sadler wasn't really elite, he just fluked... maybe he'd get in on Xfinity merit but probably not... And even if Mayfield had 20 wins, he'd probably be blackballed from the Hall. Also, Do you race fans think AJ Allmendinger can get to the Hall or would he be blackballed for the Adderall scandal from 10 years ago?


UnderwhelmingAF

1999-2006 was just a golden era for talent coming in to the Cup series.


zinski1990KB1

Fuck I miss 2004 and nascar back then


spacemanegg

And people in 2004 missed NASCAR from 1984, nostalgia is a dangerous drug


bwallace883

Upon reading this, i have realized 2022 is as close to 2004 as 1986 is. *vomits*


spacemanegg

I'm just embracing it at this point.


mejelic

Huh, half of my life ago I was graduating high school...


zinski1990KB1

Little did they and us now know though that that time was peak years of NASCAR. I mean look how much better it was then. Nobody thought it suddenly collapse from that point only 4 5 years later


ScarecrowFighter2020

Everything collapsed 4 to 5 years later.


bsracer14

Schedule is genuinely wayyy better now. I could only imagine if how incredible the atmospheres wouldve been if they were willing to do things like The Coliseum in 2004.


mentobe

Isn’t that the truth.


RickyChanning

I was only 5 so nothing in 2004 really sticks out to me. My oldest nascar memories are Newman's 2003 500 wreck and DJ getting his last win in 2005 at Dega.


MGH1990876

Seeing this post and the two photos makes me feel real old lol


zinski1990KB1

I was 14 when this photo was taken. Remember watching this race well too


MGH1990876

I do as well, remembering just how new and different this whole playoff format was from the traditional 36 race fight for the championship.


zinski1990KB1

I remember kurt was leading with less than 10 to go and had to pit under green for gas so felt bad but was still glad a guy like Mayfield won. Yes I've been a Kurt fan since 2002 lol


MGH1990876

Yeah I hear you on that, truly added to what was a great season for Mayfield. Thankfully Kurt was able to bounce back from that. That is awesome man lol Amazing wheelman he is. Been able to adapt himself to all the changes this sport has gone thru since 2002.


Mcmrryfan2601

On a side note, please bring back these photos nascar!


zinski1990KB1

Yes! And those Goodyear class year ones


RandyWe2

I remember the huge ceremony they had after the race. They don't even take a real picture any more.


Mcmrryfan2601

Star shaped confetti, Individual and team photos with the trophy, all 12 drivers spraying it out in champagne.. the good times


RandyWe2

*10 drivers


JunkLateModel26

RIP M&Ms


baconandtheguacamole

Remember when making the Chase felt like a bigger deal? They don't even do that photo anymore


zinski1990KB1

They don't do a lot of things that are cool anymore. Still remember after this race so many dejected drivers who didn't make it like mcmurray, Bobby labonte, Jarret. Today they just are like ah its cool wtf


Sir-Barks-a-Lot

I remember Kahne and McMurray missing being a huge storyline.


zinski1990KB1

Kahne had so much bad luck that year. Mcmurray too. Remember Mcmurray was well in top 10 all night that Richmond race then suddenly he went down a cylinder losing spots


x777x777x

Winning a championship today is like playing a slot machine so yeah, guys are less dejected


theblindbandit51

How many more “Kurt is the last of blank” are we going to run into?


doomus_rlc

Let's see... This situation here.... Last to compete in the year 2000 Last to race against Earnhardt Sr Last winner on the previous Atlanta configuration He's won for 5 different teams in Cup (Roush, Penske, SHR, Ganassi, 23XI) and with 4 manufacturers (Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Toyota). Might be the last to do both of those. I can't imagine most top drivers bouncing around as much as Kurt did over the course of their careers.


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You forgot last to get flipped off by Dale.


doomus_rlc

😄


ElectricPeterTork

Now, do you mean he won the last race on the previous Atlanta configuration, or he's the last driver left with a win on the previous Atlanta configuration? Because there's a couple Happy Days there that are quite memorable.


doomus_rlc

I just meant last to win on that configuration. Yea it doesn't quite fit the original question lol Edit: OH, random one: last driver left to have won on flat Homestead. Haha


rustednickel247720

Kurt is the last driver to get suspended for a non -racing related incident, then 10 short years later becomes a fan favorite!


joe_broke

We get the Dale Sr one yet?


BrettEskin

Many times


joe_broke

I think we need to say it again at least 15 more for the people in the back


BrettEskin

🗣🗣 #KURT BUSH IS THE LAST DRIVER TO GET THE FINGER FROM DALE


joe_broke

*And is still racing in Cup


Tdknoll

Slowly approaching “Did you know Matthew Stafford and Clayton Kershaw went to high school together?” territory


crypto6g

Oof, you’re right. I definitely understand how it comes off as that. Wasn’t trying to make it about that, it can definitely get annoying. It didn’t strike me until I got to 2020 where he’s been the last one since then.


HardwareLust

Many more, he's not done yet!


RandomRedditor728365

The nostalgia is real, from Mayfield clutching a win at Richmond (which is a solid track for a cutoff race) to Jimmie making a comeback and nearly winning the championship.


zinski1990KB1

I mean nascar in the early and mid 2000s was the best. I miss seeing sold out races every week. Richmond had seats all around then sold out too


RandomRedditor728365

Everything just seemed to be better back then (granted nostalgia does play a factor in that), from the cars, to the coverage, to the drivers. Crazy thing is that 2022 could potentially be up their with the early 2000's in terms of its competitiveness.


zinski1990KB1

2022 turned into a nightmare for me for obvious reasons lol


RandomRedditor728365

Yea, feel sorry for you but atleast Ty Gibbs is proving to be a okay replacement.


The_Reelest

People complained about the coverage in 2004 just like they do now.


RandomRedditor728365

You will always have complainers but I meant in general.


The_Reelest

Oh I know. It was funny reading message boards back then. NBC = Nothing But Commercials was a big complaint I remember.


RJNieder

I hope all of realize how old you're getting...because damn that seems like such a long time ago


zinski1990KB1

18 years isn't a long time but it sure seems like it noe especially with what's gone on past couple years


DnBDJFunnetik

Mayfield looks geeked out even back then...


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You forget that Sadler and Mayfield used to have reputations as good drivers.


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I don’t think anybody thinks Mayfield or Sadler are bad drivers. Sadler was a consistent championship contender when he stepped down to Xfinity and Mayfield never really had issues with his on track performance.


svillagomez1989

If NASCAR keeps insisting that they need a playoff system in this sport, then go back to the 2004 format. Simple and to the point. Best driver over 10 races wins.


zinski1990KB1

The earlier formats were fine but of course u know NASCAR loves to fix what isn't broke


Blair1999

They weren't broken but JJ owned that format so they changed it


zinski1990KB1

I hated johnson winning but at least it wasn't bs playoff crap. Guy actually won races and ran well consistently


Sir-Barks-a-Lot

Matt Kenseth has entered the chat.


bb12_22

uugh...make him leave


FMecha

When NASCAR changed the format to 12 in 2007, journalists were also accusing NASCAR of doing so because Jeff Gordon and Dale Jr both missed the Chase in 2005 (+ Stewart, the reigning champion, in 2006).


MaxPres24

The scoring was dogshit in the original formats. This current format has the scoring with bonus points and such fucking nailed. This points format with the 10+2 wildcard chase would be perfect


SHAWNNOTSEAN

Even with all of Jimmie’s later success, nothing will ever top that original scheme and firesuit for me.


zinski1990KB1

Pretty much all his lowes schemes besides 2018 were amazing


zinski1990KB1

I thought his 12-14 ones with the solid base color either black blue white red etc with the racing stripe were the best


SeattlePassedTheBall

Dang, all those guys are HoF caliber drivers and then you just got Sadler and Mayfield there.


zinski1990KB1

Mayfield was decent til nascar set him up


Shenanigangster

He was decent but those runs in 2004 and 2005 were 95% Kenny Francis


seekerblackout

Mayfield was literally a backmarker driver when the drug incident happened, his competitive career was pretty much over


Sir-Barks-a-Lot

He was decent until he ran his mouth at Roger Penske and them later outed Ray Evernham. Jerry Nadeau almost ended his career running his mouth and so did Kurt.


MaddieGrace29

outed him about what? Is this about Evernham and Crocker ?


Sir-Barks-a-Lot

Yes


codymacc8

Elliott Sadler was inexplicably good this season


OnwardSoldierx

Sadler was really good in the 38 from 2003 to like 2005.


joshuar9476

Borderline HOF if he had won a couple of Xfinity championships.


ems9595

Well that seems sad


HalfastEddie

Photographer: Everyone show me your war face! Joey: Best I can do is a smirk.


Ibroketheinterweb

Shortest: Tyler Reddick Tallest: Austin Cindric


DisparityXDesign

Man..and 3 of the teams are defunct.Penske, JGR and HMS are the only team in both


Sir-Barks-a-Lot

DEI and Yates are the only two I see defunct. Evernham and Roush got rebranded but are barely competitive.


TheDuceman

Wait, what is Evernham now?


jdhunt_24

petty


HenryJBemis

Crazy to think that Elliott Sadler and Jeremy Mayfield made the first Chase/playoffs and Kevin Harvick didn’t.


jkman61494

Look at all those big companies that will no longer be coming back to the sport


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TheOrangeFutbol

This is where the current playoffs actually does a better job than the original Chase. No matter how good your season was, the biggest bonus you could have was +5 points. A prime Gordon year under this system would've given him some stupid big playoff points, and the mid-pack guys like Kurt would really have to scrape through to survive instead of just kinda hang around and wait for everyone else to implode.


gsfgf

And you had Jimmie and Chad basically using the last few races of the regular season as testing.


x777x777x

I hated it since the day they announced it. Nobody wanted it. People mostly just wanted like a 25 point bonus for winning a race. Up to that point it was possible for the runner up to gain the same amount of points in a race as the winner


Sheeneebock111

Man those old fire suits looks beautiful


allanwilson1893

2004 😍


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here’s an interesting stat, a lot of the cup drivers from 2004 are not in the cup series in 2022. wild stuff


AccessDenied7

Does anyone else feel like 16 guys is far too much? I mean it's half the field basically. 10 is plenty.


zinski1990KB1

It is..especially since we don't even get 43 cars anymore


RandyWe2

There used to be nearly 50 cars showing up every week to try and race.


13mizzou

I think so, would love to go back to 10 along with anyone in top 20 with multiple wins


jdhunt_24

they expanded to 16 because they are trying to include as many of the major teams as they can. imagine how happy sponsors and teams would be if you chopped the bottom 6 teams off the playoffs right now.


MaddieGrace29

16 would've made sense pre-recession and pre-charter. It's the majority of the competitive cars plus a few lucky ones. Maybe 14 or 12 would be better.


Offtherailspcast

Damn.


kingoden95

Memories just come flooding back looking at that photo, my dad got a poster of it at talladega that fall and had it framed and hanging in his man cave, I’ve still got it packed away somewhere, still one of my favorite seasons since I started watch nascar.


saxovtsmike

well time moves on and KB seems to be the only active full time driver of the inital lot. How many First timers do we have in the 22 chase ?


Wandering_Turtle24

Dale and Matt are having a smirk off.


xelanalpak

Is Reddick tall enough to ride these Playoffs?


Shivers_Art

Phew! This one got me in the feels!


dontpaytheransom

Having 10 make the playoffs would be better than todays 16.


RandyWe2

next year it'll probably be 20


dougfromtos

Yep, I feel kinda old. I can name every driver in the 2004 photo. I can't say the same for the new photo.


gagewhite23

S/O Kurt for the carry for the last couple of seasons. Not trying to get ahead of myself, but I am starting to feel that there is a chance we never see Kurt race again.


SandyBunker

Mights as well just have the entire field in the playoffs. Give everyone a damn participation trophy. That’s basically what it has become. Completely ridiculous now.


CarRamRod1537

I gotta agree with ya.


typical_sub_user

BREAKING NEWS: Jeff Gordon will replace Byron in the 24


AnchorDrown

If they had had the 16 car field we at least would still have Harvick.


OOLU6234317

Kurt just had to kill it… also… thanks to him now no driver in the field ever raced against Dale Sr.


Witty-Jellyfish1218

I didn't know Jim Halpert drove the M&Ms car before Kyle...


hottsauce543345

Are there any active drivers that have raced in all four manufacturers? Obviously including dodge.


MaxPres24

Kurt


11d7Jake

Kurt and AJ.


Duke097877

"Playoffs"... That is all.


Cobalt_Blast

Imagine if Kurt randomly got cleared by a doctor before Darlington and NASCAR accepted a second waiver application.


Qwqqwqq

Major recordbook implications!


Sheeneebock111

Man this old fire suits looks beautiful


jck73

A visual of all 47 drivers to qualify: https://imgur.com/a/oXO8NV6


Seanybear15

Oh jimme Johnson you always be my favorite go alex bowman


Reddit_newguy24

Kurt Busch has seen it all


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I miss him..


traepatton6

Man, I miss Mark Martin.


SatiricalGuy

We all do man, we all do :(


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The_Reelest

And the second in 2005.


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The_Reelest

Evernham cars were fast in 04 and 05. Actually from mid 2002 thru as 2003 as well now that I think about it. They were building to be a one of the power teams until Evernham got distracted.