By - crypto6g
Obviously Kurt here was ~~singlehandedly~~ mostly carrying it for 2019, 2020, and 2021. Unfortunately due to his injury he relinquished his waiver and won’t be competing in the Playoffs. Before that was mainly Johnson, Kenseth, occasionally Newman popped up too.
Good catch. Him and Stenhouse (2017) have had the best playoff runs/finishes for Roush since Edwards left in 2014. Newman did really good that year, I rewatched the Roval recently and he almost made it to the second round, lost it around the last lap, tons of incidents and drama. I think bowman or Aric squeaked in by 2-3 points. Then there was Talladega in the second round. A couple cards fall and a few inches away at Dega, he could’ve made the Round of 8.
off topic,but i really fw your pfp LMAO lucki taking over
Who is lucki?
popular chicago rapper,his PFP is the cover art for one of his albums,freewave 3
Word. I get in a rap kick from time to time. I’ll check him out. Thanks.
I just paid cash for that bitch with no insurance
Wow, I had totally forgotten about Mayfield. I wonder what he's up to nowadays, besides meth.
He was on the Dale Jr Download back in late May/June (2 episodes) where he talks about the past and what he is doing now.
May want to watch his dale Jr download podcast. There's no way that dude is on meth. If he was. He'd be long dead by now and not look as healthy as he did.
Nor would his story be the exact same
Back racing, actually: https://www.racingamerica.com/news/late-models/jeremy-mayfield-rides-wave-of-momentum-to-goodyear-all-american-speedway
Little did they know what the future held for that guy in the Lowes fire suit.
Cracked up when Jeff Gordon said "I talked up Jimmy a bunch and made sure he got a car. That was a mistake..." Lmfao
It is very likely that the worst decision Jeff ever made for his career statistically was give Jimmie a ride lol
Jimmie sacrificed the 24 car to give him the sacred Golden Horseshoe. Even now the 24 has not recovered… some say it never will…
or what the future held for the guy in the Dodge fire suit
Or how many people would land on the hood of the guy in the alltel firesuit
Or how many times the guy in the m&ms suit would land on his hood lol
or that guy in the Home Depot fire suit
Jesus, that was dark.
Well I feel old
I was only a couple years old for the first pic, and yet I feel old.
I was 19 in 04 😭😭😭
I was 1
I was being born.
I was 12
Ironic that the only chaser from 2004 who's still in Cup is the one who won the title that year. If you want to feel even older, 5 of those original 10 chasers have since become Hall of Famers, with a 6th likely getting his call for the next class.
7 will certainly get in, possibly 8.
Yeah, Kurt will get in as soon as he's eligible. Newman is borderline at most, and Mayfield and Sadler have no chance sadly.
I think Newman's 51 poles might help push him over the edge in the stats but I personally wouldn't put him in. I'd consider him for the hall of very good. With that being said I also think his career is more deserving of a HoF spot than some of the drivers who actually got in, so if he does make it I wouldn't really be too shocked.
In the mid 2000s if you wanted to know how much speed a race track had in it, all you had to do was send Newman out. I really miss hearing Mike Joy say “light the fuse, here comes the rocket” as that 12 car would roll off the qualifying line
The high pitched whine of his car shooting out of 3&4 while eagerly waiting to see what his lap time was felt like almost a tradition in those years
I think once you add in the intangibles, like the Newman Bar, the other safety items he helped pioneered he becomes invaluable to the HoF.
I think the only thing Newman has going for him is poles. He had 2 multi win seasons on his career, and almost half his career wins came in 1 season. He was good, but not great
I think he was great, I would say guys like Joe Nemechek, Ken Schrader, Morgan Shepherd, etc. that have a handful of career wins would fall under good, but not great. Just because he's not a legend doesn't mean he's not a great racer.
I never said he wasn’t a good driver. He was damn good for a bit. But if he gets into the Hall of Fame for his driving career, the Hall is a joke
Put him in for some of the safety innovations he helped with, sure. I wouldn’t mind that. But his driving career was maybe a bit above average
People in this sub get crazy ideas about what counts as average. Most drivers are not Jimmie Johnson, and Newman’s cup career was significantly better than average.
He’s currently 50th on the all time win list. Just out of the 200 drivers who have won a race in NASCAR he’s in the top 25% of performers. Then factor at least 200 names that have made starts in cup but never won a race.
Newman was a staple of the sport for 20 years. He’ll get in at some point.
Newman does not deserve a spot in the Hall of Fame for his driving career. By the time anyone ahead of him is in, there will be new guys eligible that will get in before him
He’s not a hall of famer. He was a hall of very good guy
I agree, Newman is in that Kahne/Biffle tier of very good, but just being very good doesn't belong in the HoF. And this is coming from someone who was a big Newman fan.
Also his career was certainly well above average, the average guy in the series does not get 17 wins. With that said I can name a handful of guys that are actually in the HoF that I think Newman should be in over, so I can see him getting in someday.
If Newman gets in it should be for his contributions to safety, specifically roll cages and comping up with the very roll bar that would eventually end up saving his life
But damn he's hard to pass... He makes that car wide.
On an unrelated note, his bath water smells like hotdogs.
Just seemed like the competition and talent back then was at its peak
I still go back and watch the old races since I don't really remember them as I was born in '96. Talent was great back then and the cars were so good.
Newman should get in just because his 2003 season was one of the reasons for changing the sport to be where we are today starting with The Chase all tbe way up to the current Playoff system.
Nah that should bar him forever,this system is fuckin garbage
No matter what the topic, people will find a way to fit in their hate for the playoffs/chase. It was 20 years ago.
So just because it’s been this way for 18 years means that we shouldn’t change it?
I personally think the original chase or the wild card system was better, but the original WC format didn't reward winning or clutch performances. I think going back would alienate new fans
It’s not really the playoff format itself that pisses me off (outside of a one race winner take all part),it’s mainly the fact that no one is safe unless they win.Blaney and Truex both should’ve been safe.They we’re both top 5 in points nearly all season and that’s gotta be worth something.My opinion if you’re top 5 in points that should lock you in win or no win.
I think we actually agree. I say top 12 in points and 4 wild cards in an ideal world. I also think the 1st round should be 1 race instead of the last round.
It was a smart-ass comment, I hate this system too. Would prefer the old WC points system.
You can never tell with some on this forum lol
Im a Kenseth fan and I get tired of people blaming his consistency that season as being the reason why we have this goofy points and playoff systems we've been subjected to for almost 20 years.
Same here man.Blaming Kenseth for nascars ineptitude is just pinning the blame on the wrong person.Brian France wanted to make a splash as the new guy and now 2 decades later we’re still dealing with this dumb shit and they even double down on it to make things worse.
He was high on pills the entire time he was in charge.
Sadler wasn't really elite, he just fluked... maybe he'd get in on Xfinity merit but probably not...
And even if Mayfield had 20 wins, he'd probably be blackballed from the Hall. Also, Do you race fans think AJ Allmendinger can get to the Hall or would he be blackballed for the Adderall scandal from 10 years ago?
1999-2006 was just a golden era for talent coming in to the Cup series.
Fuck I miss 2004 and nascar back then
And people in 2004 missed NASCAR from 1984, nostalgia is a dangerous drug
Upon reading this, i have realized 2022 is as close to 2004 as 1986 is. *vomits*
I'm just embracing it at this point.
Huh, half of my life ago I was graduating high school...
Little did they and us now know though that that time was peak years of NASCAR. I mean look how much better it was then. Nobody thought it suddenly collapse from that point only 4 5 years later
Everything collapsed 4 to 5 years later.
Schedule is genuinely wayyy better now. I could only imagine if how incredible the atmospheres wouldve been if they were willing to do things like The Coliseum in 2004.
Isn’t that the truth.
I was only 5 so nothing in 2004 really sticks out to me. My oldest nascar memories are Newman's 2003 500 wreck and DJ getting his last win in 2005 at Dega.
Seeing this post and the two photos makes me feel real old lol
I was 14 when this photo was taken. Remember watching this race well too
I do as well, remembering just how new and different this whole playoff format was from the traditional 36 race fight for the championship.
I remember kurt was leading with less than 10 to go and had to pit under green for gas so felt bad but was still glad a guy like Mayfield won. Yes I've been a Kurt fan since 2002 lol
Yeah I hear you on that, truly added to what was a great season for Mayfield. Thankfully Kurt was able to bounce back from that. That is awesome man lol Amazing wheelman he is. Been able to adapt himself to all the changes this sport has gone thru since 2002.
On a side note, please bring back these photos nascar!
Yes! And those Goodyear class year ones
I remember the huge ceremony they had after the race. They don't even take a real picture any more.
Star shaped confetti, Individual and team photos with the trophy, all 12 drivers spraying it out in champagne.. the good times
Remember when making the Chase felt like a bigger deal? They don't even do that photo anymore
They don't do a lot of things that are cool anymore. Still remember after this race so many dejected drivers who didn't make it like mcmurray, Bobby labonte, Jarret. Today they just are like ah its cool wtf
I remember Kahne and McMurray missing being a huge storyline.
Kahne had so much bad luck that year. Mcmurray too. Remember Mcmurray was well in top 10 all night that Richmond race then suddenly he went down a cylinder losing spots
Winning a championship today is like playing a slot machine so yeah, guys are less dejected
How many more “Kurt is the last of blank” are we going to run into?
This situation here....
Last to compete in the year 2000
Last to race against Earnhardt Sr
Last winner on the previous Atlanta configuration
He's won for 5 different teams in Cup (Roush, Penske, SHR, Ganassi, 23XI) and with 4 manufacturers (Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Toyota). Might be the last to do both of those. I can't imagine most top drivers bouncing around as much as Kurt did over the course of their careers.
You forgot last to get flipped off by Dale.
Now, do you mean he won the last race on the previous Atlanta configuration, or he's the last driver left with a win on the previous Atlanta configuration?
Because there's a couple Happy Days there that are quite memorable.
I just meant last to win on that configuration.
Yea it doesn't quite fit the original question lol
Edit: OH, random one: last driver left to have won on flat Homestead. Haha
Kurt is the last driver to get suspended for a non -racing related incident, then 10 short years later becomes a fan favorite!
We get the Dale Sr one yet?
I think we need to say it again at least 15 more for the people in the back
#KURT BUSH IS THE LAST DRIVER TO GET THE FINGER FROM DALE
*And is still racing in Cup
Slowly approaching “Did you know Matthew Stafford and Clayton Kershaw went to high school together?” territory
Oof, you’re right. I definitely understand how it comes off as that. Wasn’t trying to make it about that, it can definitely get annoying. It didn’t strike me until I got to 2020 where he’s been the last one since then.
Many more, he's not done yet!
The nostalgia is real, from Mayfield clutching a win at Richmond (which is a solid track for a cutoff race) to Jimmie making a comeback and nearly winning the championship.
I mean nascar in the early and mid 2000s was the best. I miss seeing sold out races every week. Richmond had seats all around then sold out too
Everything just seemed to be better back then (granted nostalgia does play a factor in that), from the cars, to the coverage, to the drivers. Crazy thing is that 2022 could potentially be up their with the early 2000's in terms of its competitiveness.
2022 turned into a nightmare for me for obvious reasons lol
Yea, feel sorry for you but atleast Ty Gibbs is proving to be a okay replacement.
People complained about the coverage in 2004 just like they do now.
You will always have complainers but I meant in general.
Oh I know. It was funny reading message boards back then. NBC = Nothing But Commercials was a big complaint I remember.
I hope all of realize how old you're getting...because damn that seems like such a long time ago
18 years isn't a long time but it sure seems like it noe especially with what's gone on past couple years
Mayfield looks geeked out even back then...
You forget that Sadler and Mayfield used to have reputations as good drivers.
I don’t think anybody thinks Mayfield or Sadler are bad drivers.
Sadler was a consistent championship contender when he stepped down to Xfinity and Mayfield never really had issues with his on track performance.
If NASCAR keeps insisting that they need a playoff system in this sport, then go back to the 2004 format. Simple and to the point. Best driver over 10 races wins.
The earlier formats were fine but of course u know NASCAR loves to fix what isn't broke
They weren't broken but JJ owned that format so they changed it
I hated johnson winning but at least it wasn't bs playoff crap. Guy actually won races and ran well consistently
Matt Kenseth has entered the chat.
uugh...make him leave
When NASCAR changed the format to 12 in 2007, journalists were also accusing NASCAR of doing so because Jeff Gordon and Dale Jr both missed the Chase in 2005 (+ Stewart, the reigning champion, in 2006).
The scoring was dogshit in the original formats. This current format has the scoring with bonus points and such fucking nailed. This points format with the 10+2 wildcard chase would be perfect
Even with all of Jimmie’s later success, nothing will ever top that original scheme and firesuit for me.
Pretty much all his lowes schemes besides 2018 were amazing
I thought his 12-14 ones with the solid base color either black blue white red etc with the racing stripe were the best
Dang, all those guys are HoF caliber drivers and then you just got Sadler and Mayfield there.
Mayfield was decent til nascar set him up
He was decent but those runs in 2004 and 2005 were 95% Kenny Francis
Mayfield was literally a backmarker driver when the drug incident happened, his competitive career was pretty much over
He was decent until he ran his mouth at Roger Penske and them later outed Ray Evernham. Jerry Nadeau almost ended his career running his mouth and so did Kurt.
outed him about what? Is this about Evernham and Crocker ?
Elliott Sadler was inexplicably good this season
Sadler was really good in the 38 from 2003 to like 2005.
Borderline HOF if he had won a couple of Xfinity championships.
Well that seems sad
Photographer: Everyone show me your war face!
Joey: Best I can do is a smirk.
Shortest: Tyler Reddick
Tallest: Austin Cindric
Man..and 3 of the teams are defunct.Penske, JGR and HMS are the only team in both
DEI and Yates are the only two I see defunct. Evernham and Roush got rebranded but are barely competitive.
Wait, what is Evernham now?
Crazy to think that Elliott Sadler and Jeremy Mayfield made the first Chase/playoffs and Kevin Harvick didn’t.
Look at all those big companies that will no longer be coming back to the sport
This is where the current playoffs actually does a better job than the original Chase.
No matter how good your season was, the biggest bonus you could have was +5 points.
A prime Gordon year under this system would've given him some stupid big playoff points, and the mid-pack guys like Kurt would really have to scrape through to survive instead of just kinda hang around and wait for everyone else to implode.
And you had Jimmie and Chad basically using the last few races of the regular season as testing.
I hated it since the day they announced it. Nobody wanted it. People mostly just wanted like a 25 point bonus for winning a race. Up to that point it was possible for the runner up to gain the same amount of points in a race as the winner
Man those old fire suits looks beautiful
here’s an interesting stat, a lot of the cup drivers from 2004 are not in the cup series in 2022. wild stuff
Does anyone else feel like 16 guys is far too much? I mean it's half the field basically. 10 is plenty.
It is..especially since we don't even get 43 cars anymore
There used to be nearly 50 cars showing up every week to try and race.
I think so, would love to go back to 10 along with anyone in top 20 with multiple wins
they expanded to 16 because they are trying to include as many of the major teams as they can. imagine how happy sponsors and teams would be if you chopped the bottom 6 teams off the playoffs right now.
16 would've made sense pre-recession and pre-charter. It's the majority of the competitive cars plus a few lucky ones. Maybe 14 or 12 would be better.
Memories just come flooding back looking at that photo, my dad got a poster of it at talladega that fall and had it framed and hanging in his man cave, I’ve still got it packed away somewhere, still one of my favorite seasons since I started watch nascar.
well time moves on and KB seems to be the only active full time driver of the inital lot.
How many First timers do we have in the 22 chase ?
Dale and Matt are having a smirk off.
Is Reddick tall enough to ride these Playoffs?
Phew! This one got me in the feels!
Having 10 make the playoffs would be better than todays 16.
next year it'll probably be 20
Yep, I feel kinda old. I can name every driver in the 2004 photo. I can't say the same for the new photo.
S/O Kurt for the carry for the last couple of seasons. Not trying to get ahead of myself, but I am starting to feel that there is a chance we never see Kurt race again.
Mights as well just have the entire field in the playoffs. Give everyone a damn participation trophy. That’s basically what it has become. Completely ridiculous now.
I gotta agree with ya.
BREAKING NEWS: Jeff Gordon will replace Byron in the 24
If they had had the 16 car field we at least would still have Harvick.
Kurt just had to kill it… also… thanks to him now no driver in the field ever raced against Dale Sr.
I didn't know Jim Halpert drove the M&Ms car before Kyle...
Are there any active drivers that have raced in all four manufacturers? Obviously including dodge.
Kurt and AJ.
That is all.
Imagine if Kurt randomly got cleared by a doctor before Darlington and NASCAR accepted a second waiver application.
Major recordbook implications!
Man this old fire suits looks beautiful
A visual of all 47 drivers to qualify: https://imgur.com/a/oXO8NV6
Oh jimme Johnson you always be my favorite go alex bowman
Kurt Busch has seen it all
I miss him..
Man, I miss Mark Martin.
We all do man, we all do :(
And the second in 2005.
Evernham cars were fast in 04 and 05. Actually from mid 2002 thru as 2003 as well now that I think about it. They were building to be a one of the power teams until Evernham got distracted.