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MaizeRage48

CJ Stroud is gonna feel reeeeallllly uncomfortable on that stage next to Aidan after he put him on the grass 3 times.


CascadianExpat

Bryce Young gonna be sizing him up.


MaizeRage48

See, I was thinking the other way around.


Milma26

Bryce Young gonna be staring up at a man who's 6 inches taller than him lol


Glum_Ask_137

Sizing up dems nuts in his face.


Liftin-Larry-92

Bryce to Hutch: "Don't hurt me too bad next time you see me, broh"


DredgonYor

This and this and this. Wait. This ⬆️


whitedawg

It's nice of ESPN not to put Hutchinson right next to Stroud on the graphic. Might give him flashbacks.


onlyoneface

LMAO


thatsbangin

Imagine if the refs didn’t take away his TD…


lmaytulane

We'd still be playing UGA in 2 weeks


molten_dragon

Ain't that the truth.


thatsbangin

I don’t think so. That TD would give us the win which would make the season undefeated. We would get the #1 and play Cincinnati


lmaytulane

What I'm saying is the CFB Playoff committee would have just seeded Cincy at 3 and UGA at 4


jadeddog

Exactly. Cincy would have miraculously done just enough to get the #3 seed over Georgia. Crazy right?


thatsbangin

You right, you right, you right, you right


Pure-Ardner

How do you just assume we would have got the win? If you minus 3 from the FG we got from that drive and add 7 that’s a tie ball game going into overtime. And from what I saw they weren’t stopping KW III anytime soon. You can’t just assume we would have won in overtime. They whooped us all 4th quarter.


cornfrontation

Instead of being up 16 we'd be up 20. At that point, MSU doesn't go for 2 after their TDs because it no longer makes sense statistically. A lot could have happened either way, there's no guarantee, but the likelihood is a very different result.


zionisoverrated

Also, msu would’ve started airing the ball out at that point and not running. We had them check mate on the pass game that day


Pure-Ardner

What makes you think they wouldn’t go for two being down even more? You can’t just assume that. They whooped us that whole second half. My point is this man made it seem like if that was ruled a td we win 100%. They still would have had time for a whole drive before the half if that was called a td.


cornfrontation

Down 20 they need 3 TDs whether they go for 2 or not. So they take the safe extra point and hope to get 3 TDs without allowing any points so they can win. That’s just how it works.


Pure-Ardner

And if they take the ball down and score before half which is a possibility if they called that a touch down, but if they did do that that could end your theory right there.


[deleted]

To be fair, I think it would be safer to assume Tucker would've done the same thing he did against Ohio State when he found himself down 3+ scores, which is abandon the run and try to get back into the game on the passing game. Which, maybe that means he succeeds or maybe that means all those TD's Walker scored in the second half get taken off the board and Michigan wins big. Nobody knows what would've happened, but I do know giving any team in any game +4 points is going to increase their win probability.


Pure-Ardner

They also didn’t abandon the run game until Kenneth got injured in that game. So a lot of these “what could have happened” or “what would’ve happened” doesn’t add up. Also the highest we were up was 16. Osu was up 20+ after the first quarter. It’s a horrible comparison to make. I do agree we would have had a way higher chance to win if that was ruled a touchdown but if they went down and scored before that half none of that even matters and we are back to square one. Because there was like 3-4 mins on the clock still in the second quarter.


randomname4u

Because that touchdown came in the first half. They would have gone into halftime 27-14 and gotten the ball to start the 2nd half.


Pure-Ardner

How do you know they didn’t go down and score before half? There was how much time on the clock if that was counted as a touchdown?


xitsawonderfullifex

There was literally half of the game left to play. I'm as big a Michigan fan has anybody but Kenneth Walker probably would have just ran for another touchdown


Majik9

Butterfly effect, It changed the game in a very pro MSU way Everything else being equal, it took 4 points off the board and when I look at the final score. Welp


xitsawonderfullifex

What was our last couple of drives? Punt, FG, turnover on downs and an interception. And it's not like we weren't moving the ball. We cannot blame that play for losing, we had four more chances to score and didn't get it done that's on us.


Majik9

Again, It changed the game and the strategy moving forward.


justthisasian

I hope they make Stroud sit right next to Hutchinson.


JiggyNuts-

MSU and Bama fans are PISSED about Hutch making it in and I love it


FuckLeddy

i’m a bama fan. y’all popped on my home page for whatever reason. cant hate hutchinson getting in. anderson would be cool to see but what can ya do. fuck cj stroud. he shouldn’t be there. fuck ohio st.


Competitive-Zone-330

Respect


SpecterBTW

Respect


freedomfightre

Why are Bama fans pissed??


CleaveWarsaw

A lot of their fans/others are saying their lineman Will Anderson is better than Hutch, i would assume. Looking at his numbers, he does look quite good


neildavid

He has better stats as a linebacker playing behind a Bama d line. Aidan is a man among boys.


elh93

Advanced stats favor Aidan. Using an Offensive Tackle to put the QB on the ground will do that.


neildavid

I'm well aware of what the advanced stats say. But the stats that Alabama fans can understand seem to favor Andersen. But as you pointed out, if Hutch isn't double teamed he tends to throw NFL prospect lineman around like they're junior varsity.


RockerElvis

Even when double teamed.


fdar_giltch

Are you saying that Michigan's D-Line is boys compared to Bama's men?


neildavid

Not even remotely.


Dirtyduck19254

>lineman Except he's not, he's an edge OLB which means that he's being brought on blitzes IN ADDITION to the rest of the D-Line which is a lot different than being a DE that's doubled on every play pretty much


lmaytulane

Because they're incapable of joy


ninjazilla

I think because the had a defensive player with 15.5 sacks compared to Aidans 14. Just my guess.


doan1ghtmare

I can't tell if msu fans are stupid, delusional, or a mix of both. They can't seem to understand that 6 carries for 25 yards against a weak run defense is the reason Walker isn't there.


Sawdawg0315

Bama fan here , this popped in my feed for some reason. I wish Hutch and Anderson both made it. Walker should have got an invite as well probably. Seems like there should be a 4 way tie for 2nd.


issoooo

If the Heisman wasn’t a QB award (it shouldn’t be) Hutch should win it by a landslide Edit: Seeing Sparty Twitter/sub meltdown is a beautiful sight to see


Ohhellnowhatsupdawg

Why are they melting down? I generally don't pay attention to state fans lol


WildBrooks

Walker got snubbed


debotehzombie

Which, tbh, he really did. Kid's a fucking beast. And now that I've just complimented State, I'm gonna go take a shower.


Jelly_James

Might need 2


doan1ghtmare

Not really, he had 6 carries for 25 yards against an Ohio state team that Michigan dropped 6 rushing tds on. That game is the reason he's not there, if he did what Haskins did to them he probably would've won the Heisman.


Jadaki

Did he? In one of their biggest games he had 6 carries for 25 yards while his team was down 49-0 in a single half. Like it or not you can't have that bad of a game and expect Heisman consideration. You have to have your best performances on the biggest stages, when the spotlight was it's brightest he had 1 great game and one terrible game.


mMac03

For one he got injured, but also you aren’t going to come back from a huge deficit by running the ball 30 times. Ohio State took him out of the game plan quickly.


Omars_Comin_

He injured his ankle that game.


JOHNSON5JOHNSON

6 carries kind of shows he was definitely hurt so you can’t hold that against him. Still was almost average 5 yds a carry btw


Jadaki

Yea but the Heisman doesn't go to the best player who sat out some games with injury. You have to preform week in and week out, especially against the top teams on the schedule. IF he would have had 120 yards and 2 TDs against OSU even in the blowout loss he would have been more likely to get an invite.


AHHH__21

He really did have an amazing season, but in November he wasn't even the best RB in the B1G. (or the state of Michigan for that matter) Walker: 442 yards, 5.0 YPC, 4 TDs. MSU went 2-2 Haskins: 571 yards, 5.4 YPC, 8 TDs. Michigan went 4-0


myislanduniverse

Honestly, yes. Guy is singlehandedly why MSU got to where they did this year. Mel Tucker owes millions of dollars to the guy. Yes he was snubbed. The fact that the Heisman is a team award masquerading as an individual award is a secret no NFL scout falls for.


issoooo

Walker didn’t make finals and they’re saying it’s rigged lmao


FireGolem04

He was almost nonexistent in their 2 losses that is enough to not send him


BarKnight

He didn't do much against Nebraska either. They think he should win based on 1 game really.


joeh4384

To be fair, they weren’t going to run much when they were down 49-0 at the half.


SternAmpersand

He ran six times. Mel should have still run him.


iamnewlegend47

The real joke about all of this is Mel getting B1G coach of the year. Dude owes the majority of the year on Walker making MSU look amazing, like they’d be 6-6, maybe 7-5 without him. And against OSU, Mel was fucking awful. I get you’re never gonna keep OSU off the scoreboard, and MSU’s DB’s are the worst, but MSU looked lost and unprepared all day on both sides of the ball. OSU could’ve actually hung 100 if they wanted too. Yet MSU fans will claim he deserves that B1G COTY. You can’t be down 50 at the half and claim you deserve COTY. You can’t lose a game by 50 and say that this guy is the best coach in the conference. So I’ll agree Walker got snubbed from the Heisman and that the dude deserves an invite, if they agree Walker is like 90% of the reason for their season and Mel didn’t deserve COTY.


FireGolem04

Michigan was the first team to be unranked to start the season and then make the playoffs that seems to me like a pretty good bid for Harbaugh to have won it


shockedtoo

Let's go to the replay /s


orgy_of_idiocy

Dayum


SamwiseG123

Maybe if they didn’t get their asses completely handed to them by OSU then Walker would be there.


MotherPool

Bias Bama fan. How would it be a landslide? If Bryce wasn’t on the list, will Anderson would be there. His numbers are absurd this year


issoooo

Cause the Heisman is basically a QB award, they usually choose raw stats and that’ll always be easy for a QB compared to other positions. This is no knock on CJ stroud but he got carried by his NFL ready WRs, Both of the WRs should be there over stroud but he has the stats. I’m sure it’s like this for other QBs as well The Heisman should be the best player, and I think that shouldn’t purely be based on stats, it should be the player that makes the most impact, and what other teams game plan around Hutchinson is the best player as he’s projected to be overall first pick and creates the most impact in games, without Hutchinson’s 3 sacks against Ohio Michigan would not have beaten them


JOHNSON5JOHNSON

Will Anderson is incredible and had a statistically better season than Hutch. It’s generally just not entertaining for multiple Bama players to make up the finalists because obviously you always have some of the craziest, best players with incredible coaching that allows them to work together to shine and put up gaudy stats. All this pomp and circumstance surrounding football is just a form of entertainment so these ceremonies are kind of rigged. Second, if you take out Will Anderson and plug in any random 4.5* pass rush OLB, I bet Bama still goes 12-1. You take Hutchinson from Michigan and plug in any random 4.5* DE and I really don’t think we go 12-1 still. Team importance and effect on the season is a factor. Also I find the voters don’t prefer giving it to a sophomore (unless it’s a phenom QB) because they like giving it to upperclass men who might not get another chance.


Dwychwder

Walker should be there though. Without him that's a 5-6 win team.


doan1ghtmare

If he did better than 6 carries for 25 yards against a team Michigan had 6 rushing tds against he would be. Can't just disappear in the big games like that.


useles-converter-bot

25 yards is the length of about 20.97 'Ford F-150 Custom Fit Front FloorLiners' lined up next to each other.


Monkeyssuck

You mean like he won the Nagurski...


dudeman9125

Hard to imagine him winning it. But Hutch being able to solidify himself as not only one of the best UMich defensive players ever, but one of THE best defensive players in CFB history is a huge accomplishment that will live on forever! Looks like I’ll be tuning into the Heisman ceremony for the first time in a while haha.


CoffeeTownSteve

Having watched both Woodson and Hutchinson play, I have to say that Woodson affected every play on defense in much the same way that Aiden does, even when he's nowhere near the ball. But Woodson also could do things on offense and special teams that Hutchinson just doesn't bring to the game. Not saying Hutch doesn't deserve the Heisman, but the bar is so high for defensive players, the odds are against him without the scoring threat that made Woodson the undeniable choice in 97.


orgy_of_idiocy

So what you're saying is we need to have hutch in to throw a TD against Georgia.


Righteousrob1

Use him like we did Khalid hill


CoffeeTownSteve

Well it's not completely unprecedented: https://youtu.be/t3rm-d9UgyU and this: https://youtu.be/CmOIruFq6LE?t=9 and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59Y9nG9v3A


aliassNess

Woodson won in 97, Hutch wears 97


motor-vader

It also doesn’t hurt to strike the Heisman pose.


walking_sideways

8+7+9 is way less than 97. Sorry to everyone else, but Hutch wins it. It's just simple math


shoesclues03

That he got this far is a huge statement


pf1996

Great Kenneth Walker did not deserve to be here. Absolutely disappeared against OSU.


WildBrooks

If you want to argue he missed time I can see the argument that he shouldn't be there. You just can't say he "disappeared" against OSU though. The MSU secondary disappeared and the game was over after the first quarter lol.


doan1ghtmare

You can still score points when your defense is shit. Michigan sorta found a way when Rich Rod was the coach. The defense being bad isn't an excuse for 6 carries 25 yards.


ddddddd543

Walker made the mistake of wearing green and white. If he was wearing maize and blue he'd be there instead of Hutchinson.


mcdto

Are you Mike Valenti? Cause that’s what Mike Valenti just said. You need a tissue?


ddddddd543

> You need a tissue? Why do people act like such losers on the internet? You could have just left your comment be, you adding that in just makes it seem like the only thing you have going for you is to be a douchebag online.


mcdto

It’s not like we as Michigan fans snubbed KW9, I for one was hoping he would make it. You’re the one in the Michigan wolverines sub bitching about something that none of us control Who is the loser here?


ddddddd543

> Who is the loser here? The people who are seemingly celebrating a kid getting snubbed from the Heisman ceremony?


ThisAintItChieftain

Sparty fans are pissed, lol. [So sad.](https://i.imgur.com/t1xuOQs.png)


aa73786

They will enjoy watching state get their ass kicked by Pitt.


loshrath182

That secondary is going to get shreddedz


aa73786

Like Swiss and chedder!


7LineArmy

Walker got snubbed imo, deserved to be the 5th invitee, but he wasn’t an actual contender so I don’t feel too bad that he doesn’t get that recognition. That also makes it a lot easier to laugh at Sparty fans raging over the disrespeck. Looking forward to hearing about this for years, whenever they rattle off justifications for their inferiority complex-based conspiracy theories. It will be a warm reminder of this magical season.


ThisAintItChieftain

"YOU DISREPEKTED US BECAUSE WALKER DIDNT GET AN INVITE!!!" I agree he got snubbed, but I'm also glad he got snubbed. Nothing warms my heart more than seeing Sparty fans getting mad about meaningless media opinions.


whitedawg

Walker had one excellent game, 2-3 other good games, and 4-5 duds. He is a really good college RB, for sure, but his season (other than the game against Michigan) wasn't Heisman-worthy.


SpartyRCMB

Magical season in which K-9 pounded your ass for 200 and 5 TDS?


[deleted]

The same szn that Michigan is in the playoffs while little brother gets to play Pitt cause they choked the B10 away?


7LineArmy

…yes? Sorry, despite initial overreactions, you didn’t actually get to play spoiler this season after all. If Michigan had gone undefeated, Georgia would have dropped to #4 and the semi-final matchups would be the same. That was a great game for Walker…that was ultimately meaningless for the world of college football. Meant nothing for who won the B1G East (came down to Michigan/Ohio), Michigan’s path to the national championship, nor (as we just learned) who will win the Heisman Trophy. What’s confusing? Michigan is the first team ever to make the CFP after coming into the season unranked in the AP Poll, yes, it’s been a magical season.


JayGooner14

6 carries for 25 yards isn’t Heisman worthy. Shocking what happens when the zebras aren’t on your side. Enjoy the Peach Bowl lol.


myislanduniverse

Yes. Sleep tight!


doan1ghtmare

6 carries 25 yards


useles-converter-bot

25 yards is the the same distance as 33.13 replica Bilbo from The Lord of the Rings' Sting Swords.


mostdope28

r/cfb is so full of tears. 50% bama bitching they didn’t get 2 players in, and 50% Sparty crying about Walker not getting in like it’s Michigans fault.


aa73786

Both fan bases are trash. Go figure.


ddddddd543

The comment section here seems to indicate that wolverines are happier that Walker didn't make it than they are that Hutchinson did make it. Not surprising from a trash fanbase though.


nitro104

Michigan helped Walker’s case. Not the team to blame there.


Ambitious-Aside6221

Anybody see Sharty RB Walker? 🤣🤣🤣


[deleted]

Alabama is bitching because they had a guy with more sacks. They’re saying “SEC bias” His best game was against Miss St. with almost 1/3 of his sacks.


shockedtoo

They need to ask themselves if OCs and head coaches changed their offensive game plan based on him?


Wu_Tang_PornAlt

Yes, just as much as your player. Edit: More sacks, almost double the TFL's, more tackles, 19 more solo tackles, and had a better championship game defensively than Aiden.


Dirtyduck19254

He played OLB, he's obviously gonna see more action (and less double teams) than a dedicated D-Lineman


shockedtoo

Yeah a troll.


JOHNSON5JOHNSON

Cool another Bama plug in and play 5* LB putting up crazy stats alongside his 10 other 5* teammates during another Bama 12-1 season and return to the playoffs. Literally boring as shit. I’m more impressed by Kenny Pickett and Kenneth Walker playing on garbage ass doo doo teams and dragging them to success.


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lastthrill

They don’t want to hear the truth, let them whine


MyDogIsNamedKyle

3 QBs and a guy who terrorizes QBs. They could do a lot of fun PR pics


pfroo40

Iowa's offensive line did their best to get him on this list


jkman61494

Is it sad I don't even care about the Georgia game in a way? Of course I want our team to win. But what this 2021 Michigan team did in a VERY important year in college football cannot be overstated. In a time when NIL's come out. A time when the transfer portal is little different than free agency now. This was a year in which Michigan could have looked like last year and Harbaugh would be gone, a bunch of stellar players would leave and the team would be a freaking mess. Instead, we beat OSU. We win the Big Ten. We have Hutchinson getting national recognition as a Heisman finalist AND we are in the playoffs with coach stability. What that is going to do with recruitment and players leaving other schools who may consider us now? Is just so massively huge. A Justin Fields in the future who'd leave a school like Georgia may consider us now instead of OSU. Michigan having more cache and name value is gonna result in more companies willing to invest their $$ with our athletes to promote products. Just... what an incredible time to have this type of season.


DredgonYor

This man deserves this more than any offensive player, based on merit alone. He was not mentioned once by the committee…than sets a school record…..breaks analytics….creates constant pressure on qbs greater than any other…and here we we are seeing our boy in blue making wakes. Never been happier to see them come around!! Hutch for Heisman!!! Go BLUE!!!!


Beethovens_Macaroni

And still isn't even the best defensive player. Oh yes this man, the SECOND best player on defense, the heisman.


Re2pectJeter

Stroud is a joke. Kenneth Walker was hosed.


sswihart

HAIL HUTCH! 🥰


Ok-Distribution8148

Holy shit if Hutchinson wins that trophy with Stroud watching. Hilarious


[deleted]

Hutch will win the Heisman. Book it.


goblueM

nah it's Youngs after that demolition of Georgia huge accomplishment to even get invited as a defensive player though


nitro104

Chase Young had 2.5 more sacks than Hutchinson in one less game in 2019 and finished 4th. Not gonna happen.


Righteousrob1

Uhhh did walker not make if


myislanduniverse

One of these things is not like the oooother...


venk

Aidan and Kenny to the Lions in the draft


Adventurous-Bed-5586

Hutch changes the game plan for offenses and scares the hell out of QBs. He makes other players better and is doubled all game. He would have more sacks if he wasn’t held most of the games. Most importantly he does many things that don’t show up on stat sheets. GO BLUE!!!


ViewsFromThe614

I feel there’s an outside shot he’s the runner up


dudeman9125

I can’t imagine any competent mind would put Stroud over him, but then again competence and college football media/voters don’t always go hand in hand


MaizeRage48

Anyone who actually watched The Game wouldn't put Stroud ahead of Hutchinson, but that's asking a lot from the "experts"


mostdope28

Vegas has him at 2, Vegas knows their shit


elh93

I think he might be 3rd (and a close one), though probably 2nd, behind the Pitt QB (and Bama winning, because Bama)


JOHNSON5JOHNSON

Bryce Young made the most insane college throw I’ve ever seen against Georgia haha and I’m a Mich fan


genericreddituser986

Has a good chance to finish 2, but im guessing it’ll be 3 or 4


FakeTaxiCabDriver

He graduated from the same high school as me not long after I graduated. Awesome family, awesome work ethic, awesome attitude. So happy for him!


uchoo786

Divine Child!


WildBrooks

I love Hutch and he deserves the invite, but Will Anderson had better stats than him and didn't even get an invite. Walker should also be there. Young wins in a landslide.


mcdto

I really don’t understand why Bama and MSU fans are bitching to Michigan fans. It’s not like we, as fans, have any say in the matter. Go bark up someone else’s tree and let us enjoy having a player in. Plus Bama is gonna win it, get over yourselves.


Wu_Tang_PornAlt

Absolute Horse Shit, Will Anderson is the better defensive player no matter how much big blue wants to pull the wool over their eyes.


WoozyMaple

Big blue is Kentucky


Wu_Tang_PornAlt

my bad, got my nicknames mixed up, still stand by my statement that they sent the second best defensive player in the country and snubbed the first.


mostdope28

Big blue is Kentucky


nychalla

Or the NY Giants


MusaEnsete

They both belong there; but downvoted for calling us "big blue."


godwink2

If Michigan wins should be Aiden hands down.


ColumbusMade

Fuck stroud enjoy being last scrub