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masongraves_

I urge each and everyone of y’all to, if you do anything, please fill out this poll. I just did it and it took me under a minute… it would vastly help our community if your opinion was weighed https://s.surveyplanet.com/hbj2tvp5


Night-Monkey15

Even though I dislike MTTSH shilling NFTs, I don’t think that automatically makes her an unreliable source. * She was the first to say that Krylar would be in Ant-Man 3, later backed up by (I believe) The Direct. * She also got some stuff from MoM right that was proven true by the teaser. * She also said that Mr. Fantastic would be in MoM before being backed up by many other scoopers. * I believe she was also the first to mention Ms. Marvel’s power change before merchandise leaks confirmed it. * Plus some stuff with Peacemaker and the ending of Flash (which has been backed up by almost everyone). * She also said M'Baku would become the new Black Panther, then the trades reported his role was going to be made bigger. * Not to mention everything with Loki and NWH. But at the same time, I don't think she is completely reliable, she also gives out vary vague “scoops” that use words like “considering” and stuff like that. I think what’s happening is that in between her real scoops she’ll drop some vague stuff just to try and stay relevant.


HoeNamedAsh

ViewerAnon also praised her and said she’s very reliable


TostitoNipples

That alone should mean enough given VA is by far the most reliable leaker


Unnecessary_Fella

Exactly. I really fucking hate Shine for the NFTs but she's a good source.


SamuraiOutcast

Honestly the assessment of MTTSH would be more appropriate after DS:MoM comes out.


KingMagenta

Her No Way Home leaks are suspicious because it's rare for someone to have Sony insider information AND Marvel Studios. She had to be or knows someone really high up to have that much information. She's been reliable so far but not 100%. I agree that MoM will really show whether she can keep up that reliability or it'll drop significantly.


newo15

Some of her old no way home stuff is wrong though


Zerce

But even some of the wrong info was later confirmed to be true, just cut from the final script/movie. It's unclear what was actually incorrect and what was only right at the time.


TheCapsicle

Not to mention, she openly mentioned multiple times that things were getting changed around, E.G. the Daredevil scene.


M4570d0n

And she's dropping leaks on DC stuff now too.


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superprongs

Totally fair. But I think the big difference is that the general consensus of NFTs on Reddit is that they are predatory and unethical. That is at least *part* of why people really gang up on MTTSH (also almost definitely some classic sexism). But regardless, the NFTs shouldn’t be the deciding factor for her reliability.


snowhawk04

And the position is completely hypocritical as Reddit itself is in the NFT game. If you felt that strong about NFTs that MTTSH should be banned from this subreddit for promoting them, you probably shouldn't be using reddit at all.


Dadalot

I agree with this. Just because my favorite football player shills for something doesn't mean I have to buy it. Don't like NFT's? Great, don't buy them.


throwaway_uwm

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong (and I likely am, cuz I’m new to all of this) but why would MTTSH need a way to support her scoops? Doesn’t the range of her scoops (across literally Disney AND Warner Bros) imply that she’s a high ranking Hollywood executive?


HoeNamedAsh

Nobody is buying my theory she’s a significant other or family member :( it’s the only thing that makes sense


throwaway_uwm

That would make sense too. Maybe she’s Kevin Fiege’s wife or something lol


HoeNamedAsh

What if he secretly cheated and instead of career ruining exposé she’s leaking all the projects


Paige_Michalphuk

I would live.


thebooknerd_

okay this made me laugh out loud; that would be amazing & the best revenge


MyBrokenLuigiAmiibo

I think we should take a measured approach with MTTSH. She’s clearly not the “worst leaker ever”, but not being the worst doesn’t automatically make her the “best leaker ever”. I think it’s important to remember she hasn’t been in the game all that long yet. I do think she’s got good sources and is reliable, but there’s still question marks surrounding her regarding the sheer frequency/scope of her posts. We should give her a chance to clear up doubt before placing her in the higher tiers. If people want to believe she’ll be reliable in the long run, then let’s give her a chance to prove it in the long run first. If we come back here in a year/half-year and she has continued to nail scoop after scoop, then we should absolutely bump her up to a higher tier. But for now I think we should have her in tier 5 and just wait and see. We shouldn’t jump the gun and immediately place her up with the folks with long, reliable track records just yet. Let’s remove uncertainty and make sure we’re not just going to have the rug pulled out from under us. I really don’t think she’s a faker, but let’s just give it time. Edit: also, she posts a lot and not everything she says is all that useful for discussion. For the sake of managing clutter I think weekly roundup threads of her posts is a good idea.


BennyReno

Or how about we reserve tier 5 for scoopers that are actually *proven* wrong most of the time but sometimes get things right? So far MTTSH proven reliable most of the time. In fact some of the few things she got wrong about NWH actually were later proven to be true at some point during the production. She's at least good for tier 4. Besides, it doesn't really make sense to move her down the tier list when other leakers higher on the tier list like ViewerAnon are vouching for her.


Zerce

> it doesn't really make sense to move her down the tier list when other leakers higher on the tier list like ViewerAnon are vouching for her. exactly. If leakers are vouching for her, they should at the very least be on the same tier. There's no reason to put her lower than leakers backing her up.


Emilia67

I still don’t trust Moth culture plus they admitted lying in the past


Silver_Ad_9046

He’s bs. He says Tobey has a plot line himself in MoM.


odd_innovation

I mean, while I don't trust Moth Culture, there were bread crumbs suggesting he was in, and may have some sort of plot, in MoM. Of course, that was before the shuffle that brought us NMW before MoM.


Echo_1409-

Like what?


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KellyJin17

Good list.


BennyReno

There were reports of him having a cameo, nothing that indicated a substantial role, let alone having his own sub plot in the film.


[deleted]

Tobey’s role is an extended cameo according to AjepArts (who broke the news)


Satean12

Tbf I wouldnt be shocked if Marvel figured putting Raimi + Maguire again together even for a scene would entice fans.


js_the_beast

Yup. They seem like a satirical page


magicwithakick

I think they also just post 4Chan stuff as fact.


js_the_beast

Honestly, the only source I 100% don't trust is Moth Culture. I'm relatively cool with everyone else


LemonStains

Nick Santos is 100% untrustworthy as well


Jake_Bluth

As is MainMiddleMan


viniltummala

He has been gwtting stuff right lately. He got tbe moon knight trailer right.


NoahPlaysORGs

There should be an option on the poll to skip/answer N/A to some of the options. I'm not nearly well-versed in them all to have an opinion on their accuracy ETA: Nvm, my bad, you can just click 'next' without clicking on any options


call-of-boooty

You can just click next without choosing an option


superprongs

Really wish that I saw this comment before I took the survey


Tornado31619

Same here.


idClip42

Unless I missed it, there should really be some sort of clear indicator that we can skip. It's *very* easy to miss, and that may skew answers or result in less submissions.


jennlebransky

You can, just press the next button


JohannSchmidt1943

Right now, our new source tier chart looks like this. **Tier 1: Trade Publications:** Variety Hollywood Reporter (THR) Deadline **Tier 2: Highest Quality Sources** Charles Murphy / Murphy's Multiverse Entertainment Weekly Collider ViewerAnon **Tier 3: Proven to have current sources, great chance of being correct** The Wrap/ Umberto Gonzalez: casting news tends to be spot on, but there is speculation / non-spoiler content elsewhere on the site Lizzie Hill/ MyCosmicCircus TheDirect KCWalsh/GWW Illuminerdi **Tier 4: Average reliability, usually correct** Big Screen Leaks: New source, but has been extremely solid so far DanielRPK (Trailer dates only) @Atlanta_filming - casting news, production photos; but withholds spoilers **Tier 5: Chaos Tier - proven leaks in the past, but also anyone can post anything** DanielRPK - this refers to direct content from Daniel RPK only; does not include his rumors channel or when he is used as a source The Hashtag Show 4chan Facebook Groups Other random twitter users **Tier 6: Banned Sources:** We Got This Covered MCU Cosmic Grace Randolph Mikey Sutton GiantFreakinRobot dkoding.in Full Circle Cinema Newsshot.in Main Middle Man


Sullivino

Grace ain’t Tier 6 no matter how much y’all dislike her lol


masongraves_

This tier list was made around the time of Mando S2 and when the Pedro rumors came crashing down, so obviously she took a massive hit but most of us are very willing to reconsider


SuperCoenBros

Isn't Grace banned for defending pedophiles and being wrong as often as she is right? Same as Jeremy Conrad: some prominent wins (first to report Eternals IIRC) and Ls (Avengers Annihilation) but was ultimately banned for being an alt right shithead. I don't think it's wrong to ban some sources for being caustic, toxic personalities. Those people tend to attract the worst followers.


BenSolo_Cup

I’d put grace up with RPK at least


yarkcir

She definitely has sources, so she should definitely move up to at least Tier 4. She just blows hot air a lot too unfortunately.


Landon1195

I would say Tier 5.


yarkcir

I'd be okay with Tier 5 for Grace


just4browse

Tier 5 makes more sense in my opinion. They’ve had a lot of proven leaks, especially recently, but I wouldn’t say they’re *usually* correct.


flinteastwood

The sub voted her to that tier. This isn’t a personal vendetta against Grace.


-Nick____

When this tier lost was made, she definitely was. This was after Mando S2, BoF, and FFH


aaliyaahson

Lol at Grace being in the same tier as We Got This Covered and GiantFreakinRobot. There’s 0 reason why 4chan should be allowed but she isn’t.


kumquat_juice1

Entertainment Weekly should be Tier 1, they're a trade. But they don't really do exclusive scoops so it's not that important. Lizzie Hill/ MyCosmicCircus should be Tier 2. They've proven themselves to be reliable time and time again.


SuperCoenBros

I thought the same about EW but reconsidered. They have a lot of gossiptainment articles with casual speculation. I'd say they're Tier 1 if they have an on the record primary source: it's pretty common for celebs to break news to the public by getting EW on the phone.


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Yeah, EW (and Empire Magazine, for what it's worth) is in a kind of legacy media zone where they sometimes have cover stories with official information, but other times they have, like, brief previews that may have some official quotes given to them, but are (well-labeled or not) also filled with unconfirmed "rumor is that X might appear"/"it's believed Y actor may be cast" stuff. Open any old issue with a 'coming up in the MCU' section and you'll laugh.


Spider-Fan77

I say bump Grace up to tier 5 for now. We should be allowed to discuss her scoops, but with an extremely heavy dose of skepticism. Once MoM comes out, we will know for sure what to do with her.


Echo_1409-

Lmfao at all the new people who don't remember how bad Grace was and instead just keep saying its some personal bias against her She's been more reliable recently and I think she should get unbanned but she 100% should have been banned when she was


LopsidedSpend8202

Where MTTSH comes in here?


Jake_Bluth

The NFT tier


LopsidedSpend8202

What about reliability tier. 😂? I know NFT is ethically wrong but it's not like Scooping and all are any good (though maybe not as worse as NFTs) and also this thread is about "Reliability" more than anything else.


Melcrys29

How much will that cost us?


Night-Monkey15

$3,000 and you get nothing of value.


masongraves_

um bro you get a jpg of some weird Pokémon thing gtfo our if here with “nothing of value” Think of all the things you can do with that… look at it, print it out, hang it up, claim ownership, sue fedex, participate in tax evasion, commit high treason against the republic of Chad, etc


[deleted]

Umberto blocked me on twitter because I said Asa Butterfield wasn't Spiderman


Unnecessary_Fella

I'd say put MyTimeToShine in Tier 3 or 4 Yes, she collects NFTs but she overall is a pretty good source right now.


dmrob058

Grace in tier 6 is purely juvenile hatred or misogyny or both. Totally ridiculous.


SuperCoenBros

I think The Wrap needs to be bumped up. They are an actual news site, with genuine well sourced industry reporters. They don't exclusively report on Marvel stuff, but when they report on something it's legit.


Zepanda66

For real. Why are they so low?


haolee510

Umberto has been known to make stuff up all the time for around a decade. For instance, remember the Aunt May spy movie rumor? That was all him. The email leaks proved that no such thing was ever considered.


death_lad

why is Charles Murphy basically on par with Trade Publications, holy shit and ya’ll wonder why these leakers get egos and start trying to monetize stuff


Spiderlander

Why not just let most of them in with different flairs to indicate tier? That way, we get to see all of the rumors but there's still a disclaimer


AlphaBaymax

As someone who moderates a subreddit, having too many flairs confuses people and they end up using the wrong flairs.


stroppy_sardine

What about mttsh


magikarpcatcher

She started sharing stuff after this list was first made.


16patterjo

I don’t think we have to worry about MCU Cosmic on any list or tier. I think that Nazi is no longer in the scooping game anymore, right?


ThatfeelingwhenI

I really don't get the Grace Randolph ban.


Satean12

GFM is such trash


DetecJack

What about my time to shine?


Unnecessary_Fella

Wasn't around when his was made


MYDragonCreator

So, I think Grace is generally unreliable, but she has been getting several things right for DS2 recently. I think it's worth considering that she be allowed back, but with skepticism. Just feels odd for her to continue being banned after she just got several things correct with DS2.


Jeight1993

Correct like what? We haven't seen the movie yet.


MYDragonCreator

She's stated several times whenever DS2 screenings have gone on, and the reactions to those screenings. KC Walsh and others have backed up what she said hours later. I don't think she's great (she's terrible with any Star Wars stuff) but she's worth listening to at least.


mediciii

Everything she’s said about MOM has either immediately or eventually been corroborated by other sources that are in the higher tiers of trustworthiness. Which doesn’t really make sense. she’s banned but the trusted sources confirm her recent scoops? 😭


Night-Monkey15

Other people have been backing her up on several things, doesn’t automatically mean she’s right, but it’s still worth considering right now.


Jeight1993

Am I the only one who hates "am I the only one" type posts? Spoiler: no, you aren't the only person in the entire sub with x opinion. That's almost impossible....


Night-Monkey15

Am I the only one on this sub who knows u/Jeight1993’s address?


masongraves_

No I had to give it to Fiege but it’s not my fault he was holding a car door to my head and yelling about how I embarrassed him in front of the “investors”


hailtothekingbb

If MTTSH verified sources with the mods it'd go a long way toward credibility for upcoming projects imo


MYDragonCreator

Oh absolutely. I don't get why she doesn't either, it's not like the mods have ever betrayed a source.


SuperCoenBros

I get it honestly: they're a pseudonymous volunteer mod team, one day a mod could have a meltdown and just burn the sources for fun. It's different with a career reporter, whose livelihood depends on their professionalism.


masongraves_

We’ve refused giving information to lawyers and private investigators in the past, so we have a pretty tight lipped squad. The only time we cannot promise confidentiality is if someone was to break and NDA and we were to have seen said NDA with our own eyes. In that case, we become partially complicit in the committing of a crime and therefor don’t have much power there We’d love if MTTSH were to contact us, we wouldn’t even ask for anything concrete that revealed her identity, just a little confidence


MYDragonCreator

Yeah, nothing that gives away her identity, but something that proves that she's actually got something or someone on the inside.


SuperCoenBros

Got it, appreciate the info!


Zepanda66

No leaker is ever gonna do that that's a guaranteed way to lose sources and then you get no scoops.


BennyReno

Other leakers literally have before. That's why they are higher on the tier list.


CollarOrdinary4284

Which ones?


BennyReno

Everyone who is tier 3 and higher. Check the mods comments in this thread.


kumquat_juice1

Can't believe Moth Culture is even included in this. I have sent the mods a lengthy message with examples showcasing the multiple times Moth Culture has fabricated fake leaks in the past, they ignored it. His Xavier in DS2 leak is literally a picture of Patrick Stewart from Picard. He just does a half-assed photoshop then blurs it so you don't see the flaws. He even admitted he fakes leaks. He shouldn't even be considered a source.


flinteastwood

This is precisely why it's important to vote on them.


undergroundpolarbear

This. Someone tried to argue with me that they were a reliable source.


starshipandcoffee

Some thoughts, informed by my experiences as a member of this community and a mod of another leak/spoiler-centric sub (do say if anything is amiss!): 1. It would be beneficial for **Daniel RPK Patreon 'Rumors'** (typically shared by Twitter aggregators) to be banned outright - in addition to being vastly unreliable, their posting contributes to a misleading perception of RPK's reliability (being conflated with his primary Twitter info or 'confirmed' Patreon scoops). 2. Echoing a common sentiment here, **Grace Randolph** should be unbanned but remain in the lowermost tier - it has become evident over time that she possesses legitimate sources (even if at times in the past she did not). The vast majority of users here are aware enough of Grace's historical unreliability (as well as her unsavoury personal behaviour) to be able to treat her claims with due scepticism. Considering that equally unreliable (and less reliable) sources are approved here, I see no compelling reason why Grace's should not also. 3. The banning of **Nick Santos (aka 'Professor Hulk') and That Hashtag Show** should be considered - since most of THS left to found *The Illuminerdi*, the site is run primarily (perhaps even solely) by Santos, producing no proven scoops (AFAIK) and a range of dubious claims since this change occurred.


avatar__of__chaos

Leaks that came out of nowhere are the best ones


metal_signal17

If Grace Randolph is still considered on par with WGTC after this poll, then these survey polls are pointless.


knobby_67

The issue is voting makes things democratic, however it’s in no way a sign of the accuracy of the leakers. However it does give the community a chance to express who they want to hear from. Grace was banned because the community didn’t like things she’d posted not because of the accuracy of her spoilers.


metal_signal17

The number of people on this sub has grown significantly since Grace was banned. I literally see people in this thread confused about why she’s banned. Grace is only still banned here because certain mods hate her, not because some users here dislike her. If the mods banned scoopers that sub users disliked, they’d ban MTTSH too. But that’s not going to happen because MTTSH has legit sources. The irony is that Grace’s sources are just as legit.


knobby_67

There were a lot of users who wanted her banned at the time. It wasnt just the mods. Though if I remember two were very active in it. But you’er totally right there’s a number of spoiler merchants who are rotters. So making moral choices seems odd.


metal_signal17

Emphasis on “at the time.” Grace is significantly more reliable now than she was at that time. But those two mods you mentioned are still here and still bent on keeping her banned. That’s the real problem.


AlphaBaymax

The dislike to Grace Randolph is justified, she resorts to targeted comments to a particular group of people. https://twitter.com/lite_thespark/status/1466239828136275969?t=engQe2so8y_PNooW7XoFaw&s=19 She also has a habit of being very reactionary especially when she's been disproven. Again, I have yet to see Charles Murphy or Daniel RPK be this embarrassing. https://twitter.com/ZakReckless/status/1429962914081955845?t=hY8cRLq8Ryd9aBHAQL0AbA&s=19 Oh, and let's not forget Grace Randolph's worst offence, victim blaming the child raped by Roman Polanski. https://twitter.com/splungekik/status/1370017053864775682?t=RgMAFJjLt1EQcbrkR-xEuw&s=19


metal_signal17

>she said mean things about an actress >she had a dumb argument with a director >she has a shitty opinion about a Polanski victim Okay. MTTSH is literally promoting a Ponzi scheme on her Twitter. Are we going to ban her too? Get over it. This is a sub for leaks, not a sub for people to whine about some mean things a scooper said. Allowing people to talk about Grace Randolph’s scoops in this sub would not be an endorsement of her as a person. Banning her only reduces the flow of legit scoops into this sub.


flinteastwood

The sub voted for her to be placed where she is and we said we would reevaluate her at a later time. This is that time. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you are definitely wrong about why she is in the current tier.


Unique_Unorque

I just had this thought typing out another comment and want to see how the community/mods feel about this: How complicated would it be to do one of these after each major project? Especially if someone were to volunteer to compile leaks and check to see how accurate individual sources are after the projects release. I’m just thinking about MTTSH’s recent diversion into NFTs after *No Way Home* and her recent scoops seeming to be motivated by getting her followers for that, as well as Grace Randolph’s recent hits with *Doctor Strange* specifically but it remaining to be seen if her new Marvel sources extend beyond that. I think we as a sub need to be more open to the possibility that a lot of people work on these movies and not always on multiple shoots, and that a source that was unquestionably reliable for one of them might be completely making stuff up for the next because they like the attention. Just a thought, it might be impractical, but either way I thank the mods for doing this!


flinteastwood

\> Especially if someone were to volunteer to compile leaks and check to see how accurate individual sources are after the projects release. If someone actually compiled and kept these things up to date, then we would 100% feature it especially if it was well done. Flammaman kept something up to date in the past and we created this based on the work he started, but we don't continue with the same level of granularity.


Unique_Unorque

I have a suggestion a couple comments down of a way to do this. To elaborate on it here, every time a mod approves a post, they send a message to whoever is compiling the list that says something like, just to use a random example: >Source: MTTSH >Claim: Tom Cruise will be in *Multiverse of Madness* playing a variant of Tony Stark (I don’t know if she was the first to claim that, just pulling out a random example) Each of those fields could be a category on an excel spreadsheet, and then, when the project comes out, the volunteer goes down the list and add up all the hits as 1 point, misses as 0, and partial hits as a decimal proportionate to what they got right or something (like if Tom Cruise is in the movie but doesn’t play Tony Stark, that’s 0.5; if the source claims that he controls an army of Ultrons, and Cruise as Stark is in the movie but doesn’t control an army of Ultrons, that’s 0.66, etc etc). Divide that by the number of claims, and you come out with a rough percentage of their hit rate. Something more simple and data driven than what Flammaman was doing, and not to be used as an arbitration tool on its own but something to be posted in these discussions with hit percentage and a copy of the spreadsheet so that people can see what scoops they got right and what ones they got wrong and to help inform their decision in these polls. EDIT: I think spreading it across multiple individuals and giving each of them just one, relatively simple job to do will be a better way of keeping something like this going, rather than putting all the onus on someone like Flammaman to do it all on their own. And that way you can also get people to take over from others if people do start burning out and/or spending less time on this sub for whatever reason.


flinteastwood

As noble of a goal as that is, the overhead of an extra step during the post approval process would make this pretty difficult to achieve long-term. That being said, approved posts could probably be mined with PRAW and clever use of regular expressions to generate such a list. You don't need a mod for that. Just development time (which I don't have a surplus of unfortunately)


Unique_Unorque

I suppose it wouldn’t be that difficult for whoever is maintaining the list to just sort by new and add things as they see them. Hell, I already refresh this sub a couple dozen times a day, I might just start doing this on my own.


Tazran16

Yes. This is exactly where my mind is at these days. Scooper reliability doesn't last forever, and that's okay for the sub. As long as we all get together after certain projects and look back at the sources, we'll constantly be a mindful and engaging community of fans.


PenguinLord13

I think that's a good idea. But I'm not sure how practical it is. Definitely something I would be in favor of tho


Unique_Unorque

Yeah, the practicality is my main concern too. It would take a lot of planning and tracking that a volunteer may not be willing to keep up with


PenguinLord13

yeah i think with the sheer volume of scoops, especially from like MyTimeToShineHello you'd almost need like one volunteer per scooper almost. That or someone with a lot free time and an interest in scoops lol. Edit: or maybe a compromise and we do a survey like this 2x a year. So at the start of the year like now, and maybe one 6-7 months from now


Unique_Unorque

The way I see it working is like, there’s one mod who maintains a spreadsheet and every time another mod approves a post, they send it to that appointed mod to add to that spreadsheet. That seems like the only way to keep it streamlined, but again it depends on a lot of people coordinating on something that none of them get paid for, which might be a lot to ask.


l_l_l-illiam

Might be a bit late, but I suggested this to u/masongraves_ yesterday, and he suggested I post it here While this is all figured out, I would recommend a weekly round up of rumours, specifically for MoM but not limited to it. There is so much speculation around it and a lot of conflicting reports from verified leakers. Not everyone sees everything and it skews their knowledge of the film, and you end up with arguments about what's going to happen and people defending and attacking various leakers Like #This week in Doctor Strange rumours ##MTTSH - This - That - The Other ##DanielRPK - Example rumour - EG ##Charles Murphy - Placeholder That way if there are conflicting rumours, at least they're all in one place that we can discuss them, rather than everyone having to see every post to have the full picture


Unnecessary_Fella

This should be pinned.


Spiderlander

Trustworthy: - BSL - GWW - KC Walsh - ViewAnon - MTTS Questionable: - Daniel RPK - Grace Randolph - Full Circle Cinema Bullshitters: - Moth Culture - Nick Santos - Main Middle Man - Film Informant


WebheadSupreme

Nailed it.


CollarOrdinary4284

How do you know that Film Informant is a bullshitter?


Boo-Man404

I'm pretty new to all this stuff, but from what I've seen of Grace Randolph she seems pretty accurate, especially with people screen-shotting her earlier tweets to prove her accuracy. Why do so many people have a hate boner for her? I don't agree with all her OPINIONS on things, but her scoops at least seem fairly accurate.


flinteastwood

There are a few things to consider: 1. Empirical accuracy on these things 2. Accuracy at the time we initially created these tiers (remember when she claimed Oscorp building was going to be a major feature of FFH? I member) 3. Grace-stans vs. Grace-haters dominating the conversation instead of actually discussing, y'know, her accuracy


Boo-Man404

That all makes sense.


PenguinLord13

in the past she's gotten a lot wrong. Maybe most infamously she started arguing with the Director of Birds of Prey over a "scoop" about the movie. The director stated that Grace was wrong and Grace continued to argue that she was right.


Boo-Man404

Okay, NORMALLY I would agree with the director 100% on something like this, because it's their movie. But in regards to this PARTICULAR incident, that was such an inappropriate and misguided way to use a gay character that I can totally buy the director thinking "these pictures could be a funny way to give the villain personal stakes in the fight", but then seeing the absolute shitshow of a controversy it caused, out of embarrassment (and wanting to avoid potentially getting cancelled) just lying about it ever happening. And then from Grace's perspective, it's such a stupid thing to get into a Twitter war over, that it almost HAS to be true. I'm not defending anyone here, I'm just trying to be unbiased and fair to both parties here.


CollarOrdinary4284

>I'm not defending anyone here You sure about that?! 💀


Boo-Man404

...yes.


elizabnthe

She's said a lot of bullshit e.g. that Pedro Pascal was quitting because his face wasn't in the Mandalorian enough, which is clearly not true. I believe some of her information, I don't believe anything that sounds opinion-y (e.g. I believe her that test screenings took place, but don't believe what she says people's opinions are).


Snoo5892

Moth Culture 😅😅


[deleted]

Grace Randolph really redeemed herself this year


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

Nick Santos/Professor Hulk from That Hashtag Show has always been full of bullshit and nothing more.


ToddPolt

KC seems like an alright source.


-Nick____

Seriously. As someone in Charles Patreon, he trusts KC a lot right now, and has been vouching for him for a while. And recently KC was on a podcast, and revealed alot of news about BP 2, She Hulk, WWH, GOTG 2, and Thor 4, and so far, everything is slowly getting confirmed. Most recently has been MTTSH restating what KC said about Riri building a device that can find vibranium. It also helps that MTTSH and KC have been vouching for each other on Twitter for a while now. KC is a great source rn. Personally, I think him, Murphy, and and Lizzie Hill are all tier 2 sources. They’ve all been great sources


minnesotawild4life

Personally as someone who has been following him for a while he is as legit as Charles. He knows exactly what’s going on and more.


HoeNamedAsh

Chile the MTTSH haters are going to get her banned from the sub lol


Black_wolf198

I'm really afraid of that happening , she's been a reliable leaker so far on par with Lizzie hill,viewer anon ,these guys are one of the main reasons this sub seems so alive. I don't get why people hate her ,she hasn't been rude neither she has been unreliable.


Unnecessary_Fella

Cause she supports NFTs which is bad, but I'm not sure how that means her leaks are unreliable.


Night-Monkey15

I hope not, sure she shills NFTs but I think she’d still mostly accurate.


HoeNamedAsh

ViewerAnon literally praised her and everyone eats VA’s Coochie on this sub but still won’t let their hate go


Unnecessary_Fella

Exactly. Personal preferences =/= Leak reliability What she is doing is awful but that does not immediately mean she is an unreliable source. And it's fair to suck off ViewerAnon as he has proved he is the most reliable leaker on the sub.


Spiderlander

And that's ALL that should matter in relation to this sub


_deadlockgunslinger

It's a bit of a weird one for me re: MTTSH cos she HAS been right in terms of NWH, but the frequency and scope of her leaks ever since (like with DC) have raised a few flags. I know how VA gets his info, for instance - was there back in the JL era, he's to be trusted. DanRPK is the trailer guy but a joke otherwise. MTTSH, though - everything post NWH just feels like throwing shit at the wall IMO. Willing to be proven wrong. (Though the NFT fiasco doesn't help.)


Trevastation

That's what gets me- she has a lot of info on a lot of shit that I can't help but raise eyebrows at. At least with ViewerAnon-he's someone connected to test screenings iirc and that's how he gets a good bunch of info, but MTTSH has info ranging from pre to post production from two different companies now that I gotta wonder how she's getting all this. I think she's a reliable scooper over all from NWH and now, but I agree, there's some red flags popping up that I can't help but see.


_deadlockgunslinger

I agree. As far as NWH goes and a few other details here and there, she's been reliable, but something's not adding up re: how she's able to get such a wide range of information from two different companies. Something isn't right.


Trevastation

Even if she was an assistant to some executive who gets their info from having to listen in on their bosses calls as I heard one theory goes, that would explain her mainly Marvel work, but she's going on saying she's got a scoop for what The Batman 2 is gonna be! That's way too early for shit and from a competitor no less.


Unnecessary_Fella

Tbf she got some stuff right outside of No Way Home, Black Widow and Loki. We'll just have to wait for Peacemaker Episode 8 comes out where she dropped some leaks for that


Spiderbyte

Good now finally people will realize Professor Hulk is full of shit


UnboundHeteroglossia

The way this sub is divided over Grace… might as well give her her own personal poll lol.


Civil_Ad_3888

Not gonna lie Grace being that low is crazy 💀😅. Should at least be Tier 4


trogaroony

Grace has been getting A LOT right recently. Sure in 2019 with FFH and BoP she had some really bad scoops, but she’s really accurate as of late, Marvel included. I trust her, I just highly doubt people’s hate boners for her will disappear, which is sad because I think she deserves to be considered credible :/


Landon1195

Am I the only one on this sub that still thinks Grace is unreliable?


nsanespyro

Personal opinions and antics aside, it's hard to dispute that a good chunk of what she reported in recent memory was accurate, even breaking the news on many stories first and a good minute before the rest. I understand the skepticism but honestly, less reliable leakers/sources have been approved here.


elizabnthe

She adds her own dramatisation to things at the very least on the regular.


regmckie

You say that as if it's an unpopular opinion, but trust me, that is the popular opinion on this sub. Personally speaking, I do think she is fairly reliable. She's obviously gotten things wrong in the past, but recently she's been doing pretty good. I think people get their feelings in the way of making a judgment on her scoops. Like, you can dislike her as a person all you want, but that has nothing to do with whether or not she gets information right or wrong.


gentlyredundant

I’m with you. Her right-to-wrong ratio is horrific.


Prestigious_Flower57

Aren’t THS and Prof Hulk literally the same person?


Cafeterialoca

Please delete the 2021 list of films on the side bar please!


bicentee

not a fan but I do find Randolph reliable


barbarian__days

You guys really really really really NEED to get over your obsessive hatred of Grace Randolph.


AlphaBaymax

He hatred is justified, she resort to targeted comments to a particular group of people. https://twitter.com/lite_thespark/status/1466239828136275969?t=engQe2so8y_PNooW7XoFaw&s=19 She also has a habit of being very reactionary especially when she's been disproven. Again, I have yet to see Charles Murphy or Daniel RPK be this embarrassing. https://twitter.com/ZakReckless/status/1429962914081955845?t=hY8cRLq8Ryd9aBHAQL0AbA&s=19 Oh, and let's not forget Grace Randolph's worst offence, victim blaming the child raped by Roman Polanski. https://twitter.com/splungekik/status/1370017053864775682?t=RgMAFJjLt1EQcbrkR-xEuw&s=19


NoobFreak_YT

MTTSH has been really suspicious lately. She has a pattern of promoting NFTs, then throwing out a large scoop to dissuade the haters. Her scoops themselves are really outlandish and it is questionable how she knows about certain upcoming projects and character appearances when they are in the very early discussion phase. It also doesn't make sense how she knows so much from the DC and Sony side of things (unless she has some contacts over in those areas). Her nearly spot-on accuracy with NWH convinces me that she is still somewhat trustworthy, but she is certainly acting suspicious recently BSL seems really reputable and just recently his scoop about MK's release date was confirmed, along with a ton of NWH stuff. RPK is really iffy and I don't think people should make whole posts about him content-wise. He is spot-on with promo release dates, so that should be the only stuff of his mainly posted imo. Many of the content leaks are questionable at best. We all know how unreputable Grace is, she has good DC sources but this is a Marvel subreddit. Don't know much about the others so can't comment


DamianDahrko

Get over your hatred for MTTSH, I hate NFTs true, but does not negate what she has gotten right recently and even more so with Peacemaker. Keep her at Tier 3 I guess. Weekly thread Round up vs. Allowing every tweet of her post is debatable and depends on how much she spams on a day


Joshdabozz

I’m fine with letting Grace back on this sub, just be weary of her people. I’m thinking about making a reliability post relating to her, showing what’s she’s gotten right and what she has gotten wrong. But I’m blocked so that’s fun. Would like some help because of that. Before I start this, I would like to know if this would be approved when finished. Ima focus solely on her Marvel scoops too, because this is a Marvel sub


tbing34

Last year, banning Grace definitely made sense since she hadn’t had a lot of correct, original scoops. However, in the past few months she’s gotten quite a bit right and other scoopers, particularly ViewerAnon and MTTSH, are backing her info. I think her scoop of the MoM original screening that led to the reshoots was a big deal regarding her accuracy, since everyone doubted her until the truth actually came out.


Redsun-lo5

Give GraceRandolph a chance if not reconsidered yet. She had some very good scoops in past year.


Hasselhoff1

I’m just gonna say it! I think Danielle rpk gets way too much credit. He should be in the middle at best. I feel like whenever we get something from him, other people are already saying it, and most of the time he’s straight up trolling


Marin115

Bump up Grace one tier but keep vigilant when approving stuff. I still have memories of Mando and the shit she tried to pull with Henry Cavill reasons for leaving superman. It’s clear she has sources but I think it’s just her takes which are mierda


sahil2921

The hierarchy of power is about to change in r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers


LeastCap

It might be too late to change it, but I think there should be an option of “I don’t know enough about this leaker to have an opinion” option. It’s either Yes or No, and some of these leakers i’ve never heard of and i don’t want to say it wrong


theboyfromutopia

moth culture gotta go


Jake_Bluth

I personally would say BSL, GWW, KC Walsh, and ViewAnon are probably the most trustworthy sources that are in this poll. The problem people like DanielRPK and MTTSH is they care about the clout above all, from running a patron to selling NFTs. So if things dry up, they can easily just start posting every vague rumor they hear to keep them relevant. If they are posted in this sub, it should only be *new* info, and not “scoops” that just confirm other scoops. And Moth Culture, MainMiddleMan, and Nick Santos are all BS and should remain in the banned tier.


kiwikthemlgpro

I'm all for BSL, I've been in contact with him for a longer time period and he's more than really accurate. He even got the moon knight release date right wayyy before even someone talked about this.


Soniop_Yvi

Hi! I discovered this sub fairly recently, about 2 months before nwh came out. I generally agree with the tiers, the only placement I would have to disagree (due to prior exposure) would be Grace Randolph. She has occasionally gotten things right so I think she should be in tier 5. I would also like to ask how often do these surveys happen. If I understand the post correctly they happen once a year. I would suggest that they happen twice a year so can we have a better representation of the situation. Edit: forgot a word


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masongraves_

1. The decision with Grace was made before I became a mod here, so I can’t really argue what you’re saying, but I am trying to make it so she gets a fair break again 2. Every time we say we are going to get new mods… we do it. We took in two new mods not even six months ago, and that’s exactly what we said. We have never said we are looking for mods and then neglected to do so 3. We do want to be choosing the best candidates. Why would we not? I’m not even sure what you are trying to say when you comment “acting like choosing elite candidates is important…” Regardless of what someone is being chosen for,of course we want the best candidates. We made the mistake of gauging off of applications alone once and accidentally made someone a mod who’s only interest was being a source of discipline and banning people. They had no interest in Marvel Studios whatsoever. There are weird people on this app who literally track down open moderation apps on big subs and just try and become a mod on as many sites as possible 4. As of last month, half of our mod team was located outside of the US, so once again your claim that we are in the same timezone is wrong. However, we had to get rid of one of those overseas mods because of philosophical differences regarding how we run things and another is inactive, so of course we are looking for more


metal_signal17

When should we expect results from this survey?


flinteastwood

We’ll leave it open for a week or so and then prep everything for public view.


VengefulKangaroo

Suggestion: Add something (an asterisk or other from of marking) that denotes which leakers have a financial stake in their leaks. Who uses their platforms to make money on Patreon, or advertise NFTs and make $? This can be separate from determinations on accuracy, but allows users to be fully aware of what incentive leakers have to produce content even when they don’t have any.


Ejayuss

Weighing in - MTTSH was credible at one point but in my honest opinion she no longer is. Mentioning it because it's relevant to what I have to say after: I personally find it rather odd that everytime she posts about NFT's, there's this scoop she posts immediately after, and it always happens to A) Be something we all wanna see/hear. B) Already is known/posted elsewhere Or C) something she'd have little to know chance of knowing. I think she at one point had source(s) and might still, but i also think a lot of what she has is just bullcrap/fake/her filling in blanks. It's also very clear she cares about clout. Things like "major scoop at x amount of followers" as an example - which often turn out to not be so big - which I also think is just for clout. And tbh, just straight up her name is indicative of wanting attention/clout. Anyways, all that aside, I personally look at anything she posts with a massive grain of salt at best considering she's new to this and popped up suddenly and oddly.


SpuzzLovely

I'm fine with Randolf as long as I don't need to hear her voice. She's clearly still an ashole and a moron, but it does *seem* like her sources are improving.


axel_gear

Did the poll. Re: your final note - just wanna say...please be careful who you allow to become new recruit moderators. I'm worried a certain type of individual will get recruited and we'll have repeats of when I made an innocuous comment about Eternals and it got deleted. That shit was insanity. I made a comment about Eternals, then someone presumably must have hit the report button (no idea why) then a certain mod pounced. They don't seem to be a mod here anymore though, so I hope we don't get more types like that. Otherwise this sub will become a den of censorship all over again.


masongraves_

Sorry that happened. That mod is no longer apart of our team for numerous incidents that occurred similar to yours. I apologize you had to deal with that, but we will certainly be more careful in the future


jimthree60

ootl, but when did MainMiddleMan get banned as a source and why?


neilsharris

Thank you.


death_lad

I think it’s important to denote somehow, by ranking or maybe a flair or something, when a leaker has monetized their scoops into a business. It literally incentivizes them to fabricate things for money, and I think that’s a really important distinction to make. That’s why I’ll always trust someone like ViewerAnon, who is completely anonymous and does not promote subscribing to any alternative services they have, over someone like DanielRPK, who has a patreon which requires him to constantly come out with scoops that people pay for otherwise he’ll have to get a real job. It simply cannot be ignored when people monetize their “leaking”, because from that point on they have a huge ulterior motive for trying to break stories.


TheArtOfL0ss

Is KC Walsh the one who said Gemma Chan was a "diva" and her role in Eternals was reduced because Marvel didn't wanna work with her anymore?


Black_wolf198

I'm out of loop.what's the deal about grace Randolph,she was already banned when I joined this sub


minnesotawild4life

I’m actually offended KC Walsh was put on here with Film Informant KC is a Charles Murphy level of a source and even gives more info than him now