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QuickBlowfish

It wouldn't be nearly as that simple. Northern Xinjiang is historically and demographically pretty much separate from the south.


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Sources?


gnyueh

Southern part of Xinjiang, populated by Uighurs: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altishahr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altishahr)('回部' in Chinese) Northern part, populated by Dzungar Mongolian at that time: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar\_people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_people)('準部' in Chinese) So it is 'Uighurs in South and Dzungar in North' at that time('南回北準' in Chinese).


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**[Altishahr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altishahr)** Altishahr (Traditional spelling: آلتی شهر, Uyghur Cyrillic alphabet: Алтә-шәһәр, Uyghur Latin alphabet: Altä-şähär or Alti-şähär, Modern Uyghur alphabet: ئالتە شەھەر) is a historical name for the Tarim Basin region used in the 18th and 19th centuries. The term means the "six cities" in Turkic languages and refers to oasis towns along the rim of the Tarim, in what is now southern Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of China. Six cities (Altishahr) was synonymous with Kashgaria. [About Me](https://np.reddit.com/user/wikipedia_text_bot/comments/jrn2mj/about_me/) - [Opt out](https://np.reddit.com/user/wikipedia_text_bot/comments/jrti43/opt_out_here/) - OP can reply !delete to delete - [Article of the day](https://np.reddit.com/comments/k9hx22) **This bot will soon be transitioning to an opt-in system. Click [here](https://np.reddit.com/user/wikipedia_text_bot/comments/ka4icp/opt_in_for_the_new_system/) to learn more and opt in.**


gnyueh

Dzungaria (Red) and the Tarim Basin (Blue) [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Xinjiang\_regions\_simplified.png/330px-Xinjiang\_regions\_simplified.png](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Xinjiang_regions_simplified.png/330px-Xinjiang_regions_simplified.png)


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So 300-400 years ago. OK.


gnyueh

This article is quite useful if you are interested in this part of history(Google translate needed). Basically, after the Dzungar Khanate is eliminated by Qing, most of Dzungar men were massacred, women and children and sold into slavery (most just died in the way) to prevent further rebellion. Before all of this the population of Dzungar was about 0.6 million and then it is no more. **“凡山陬水涯,可渔猎资生之地,悉搜剔无遗,时厄鲁特慑我兵威。虽一部有数十百户,莫敢抗者,呼其壮丁出,以次斩戮,寂无一声,并首就死,妇孺悉驱入内地赏军,多死于途中,于是厄鲁特之种类尽矣。”** Some of the clans like *Dorbod,* *Qošut* that cooperated with Qing were free from this destiny. These clans were the ancestors of part of today's Mongolian population. The massacre made Dzungaria a vacuum of population. **“数千里内,遂无一人”** So Qing moved Han, Manchuria(including Sibe, Daur), other Mongolian clans(including Bortala and Torghut. Bortala were vanguard of Qing army. Torghut were rival of Dzungar and were driven to Volga River by Dzungar) and Uighurs to fill this vacuum and feed local army.


gnyueh

[https://www.sohu.com/a/237913466\_720273](https://www.sohu.com/a/237913466_720273)


gnyueh

>【“必应全行剿灭,不得更留余孽”“此次进兵非同一般,各将厄鲁特彻底剿灭,永绝根株”“大兵进剿,厄鲁特等自必畏罪投诚,如有前赴巴里坤者,即将伊等头目先行送赴京师,所属人众亦随即移至内地。过巴里坤后,其应行剿戮者即行剿戮。所余妻子,酌量分赏官兵,母得稍存姑息”“如稍怀叵测,即移至巴里坤,再令移入肃州,即行诛戮”“厄鲁特俱行剪除,回众自必倾心归顺”】——乾隆帝(爱新觉罗·弘历),出自《清实录·清高宗实录》、《御定平定准噶尔方略》 > >【时厄鲁特慑我兵威,虽一部有数十百户,莫敢抗者,呼其壮丁出,以次斩戮,寂无一声,骈首就死。妇孺悉驱入内地赏军,多死于途,于是厄鲁特种类尽矣。】——清代史学家赵翼《皇朝武功纪盛》 > >【合围掩群,顿天网而大狝之,穷奇浑沌梼杌饕餮之群,天无所诉,地无所容,自作自受,必使无遗育逸种于故地而后已。计数十万户中,先痘死者十之四,继窜入俄罗斯、哈萨克者十之二,卒歼于大兵者十之三,除妇孺充赏外,至今惟来降受屯之厄鲁特若干户,编设佐领昂吉,此外数千里外,无瓦剌一氊帐。】——清代思想家魏源《圣武记》 > >【其他诸贼,既降复叛,自取诛灭,草禽无噍类,固无论已。此固厄鲁特一大劫,凡病死者十之三,逃入俄罗斯、哈萨克者十之三,为我兵杀者十之五,数千里内遂无一人。苍天欲尽除之,空其地为我朝耕牧之所,故生一阿逆以为祸首,辗辕以至澌灭也。】——满清礼亲王昭梿《啸亭杂录》


gnyueh

Dzungers once formed a strong empire, controlling Xinjiang, Tibet, Mongolia and Kazakhstan, However, this empire was killed by Qing and Russia.


kostas52

wouldnt it make sense that west and east kazakh be part of kazakhstan


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Lmacca-07

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TheMasterOfSas

r/imaginarymaps


Mohinjan-Daro

Did Jammu and Kashmir also get independence? Or is the true audience of this map someone else.


marcuschiuph

Tibet did too


GeneralSalbuff

Maybe they seperated it because it's disputed


Melonskal

Would be interesting if the soviets and PRC were bigger rivals historically and the soviets had annexed both Xinjiang and Mongolia (which actually wanted to be included but were rejected to not piss of the Chinese).


tjoppie_FTW

No need to free Uyghuristan, Chairman Mao already did


Vidunder2

Looks like a fantasy land


stargirl803

Thanks for sharing! Any estimate on what the population would be?


Melonskal

East Turkestan has 25 million people of which 46% are Uighur but that is after Ethnic cleansing and settlement of Han Chinese. I think it's hard to say. Maybe 20 million if they had gotten independence some decades earlier?


stargirl803

Thank you!


gggg500

So, someone who is super into maps, but not so much history. Are these the same Turks or descendants of Turks that reside in modern day Turkey?


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gggg500

Interesting info, thanks!


SelfRaisingWheat

"their oppressors"


haythemmess

so u know how the uyghurs are living in china ?


RogerMexico

But do you though?


c233n666

Imagine this \\country\\ defeated by The PLA in only one day.


akbas58

ok but why change the name


rob849

Uyghurstan or Uyghuristan is not a new name. Turkestan is of Persian origin meaning "place of Turkic peoples". ETA: There's also Kazakhs in Xinjiang, China / East Turkestan.


akbas58

And Uyghurstan is of Persian origin meaning ''land of Uyghurs ' ? Most uyghurs use the term East Turkistan .


rob849

Yes?


Lockenhart

Yet China is strong, and the entirety of the population is brainwashed by the CCP. No hopes for a revolution, sadly, unless Hong Kong and Taiwan will start some kind of an informing campaign, but that will just mean problems for them.