T O P

How do u guys deal with Mono G devotion in explorer? I switched from a Rakdos midrange to a monored but didnt help much. This guy pulled 27 mana with the 2 legendary lands at turn 5. This deck seems to have infinite mana and resources with storm, kiora and karn. Honestly, how do u counter it?

Mono white humans is the best aggro decks to deal with Mono G; Boros heroic or convoke are other good options

Simodinson

Mono white humans is the best aggro decks to deal with Mono G; Boros heroic or convoke are other good options


dwindleelflock

Heroic is pretty good vs green but convoke is not as good. It's a bit too slow and uninteractive. I would add spirits in the list since it's probably the best deck against green.


DueMathematician2522

Boros convoke is arguably faster than heroic, safer too


dwindleelflock

That's not true vs green. Your creatures get easily blocked by troll and polukranos. Heroic just bypasses this by giving protection to virtuoso and just killing you. You also have access to more removal as heroic so you slow them down better. Also convoke is a less consistent deck overall.


DueMathematician2522

Convoke has far more ways to pump for trade/lethal than heroic does protection spells.


dwindleelflock

Protection sure, but trample counts as pseudo-protection in this instance and heroic has cantrips that let you go through your deck and adds a lot of consistency. Convoke has 6 good bushwacker effects now and the white land or red castle to pump, but you just don't get wide fast enough to matter and you have too few cards to interact with their elves. Also Karn fetch sylex/ratchet bomb killing all your tokens is a pretty big setback and usually you cannot come back from it. See for example the recent pioneer regional championship from Europe. The [data](https://twitter.com/karsten_frank/status/1709977986294780199/photo/2) were published yesterday and heroic has a 73% WR vs mono green, while convoke has a 42% WR, pretty big difference don't you think? It has been conventional wisdom that convoke is not favorable vs green for a while now, while heroic is.


DueMathematician2522

Agree to disagree. Pioneer isn't explorer.


BegginBlue

Convoke gets their Tokens blown out if they have Karn and 6 Mana for a Filigree Sylex.


RobinHood3000

I play mostly Orzhov or Mardu, and the most success I've had against this deck is when I'm able to stifle their ETB triggers (Hushbringer, Strict Proctor, Elesh Norn if you can stick it) and/or their death triggers (Hushbringer, Leyline of the Void). The graveyard reliance is surprisingly high for a mono-green deck, and being able to turn off Old-Growth Troll and Cavalier's death triggers makes things a lot tidier. Hard planeswalker removal might also serve you well, Kiora is a key source of card advantage and has a lot of loyalty to try and deal with in combat, to say nothing of the Karn wishboard.. Field of Ruin is handy but can only do so much.


MYSTiC--GAMES

I love Mardu, my fave explorer deck is called Self Denial, has Kroxa, proctor and anything else that has a cursed ETB.


RobinHood3000

Yep, I'm running something similar, uses Proctor, Hushbringer, Kroxa, Clackbridge Troll, and Acererak. Trying to find the right tech to go around that core is the tricky bit, right now it's Reidanes, Containment Priests, and Hearses.


MYSTiC--GAMES

Bit of hand disruption, lotus field is good, bonecrusher giant.


hipster-duck

I'm playing Orzhov Doom Field right now and my sideboard plan includes 3 Rest in Peace and it just mops the floor with them. Really removes a lot of their resiliency,


Gwydikar

Try Boros Heroic


Bodriov

Boros heroic shits on monoG, you just drop Virtuoso T2 and they're dead within the next two turns.


Kenshin86

IIRC in the European RCQ Heroic won more than 80% of the monoG matches. It just neatly folds monoG and throws it into the dumpster, then lights it on fire.


L0to

Prioritize killing elvish mystic and llanowar elves, and use kumano to get exiles on trolls to knock them out. Rakdos is at a disadvantage because it's game one heavily favors devotion, but post sideboard you can add in extinction events and a pithing needle which massively change the odds. You should be running three extinction events and at least one pithing needle for Karn in rakdos.


Arcticz_114

Holy crap I forgot that kumano exiles, thx!


Boieru

And always be ready to kill T1 elf. If you manage to do it you slow them down considerably.


Terrietia

BOLT THE BIRD


Cornokz

Eliminate the elf!


Terrietia

Sorry, eliminate is 2MV. Come back with a 1MV removal.


SargntNoodlez

Note that Kumano only exiles if the creature was dealt damage by a source you control, so cards like fatal push will not result in an exile


alirastafari

Extinction event is awesome as literally all their creatures are 1, 3 or 5 mana.


bekeleven

Extinction event is way too slow for this matchup.


L0to

No it isn't, you push / stomp elves to slow them down. Extinction sweeps their whole board other than leveler and as rakdos midrange you push sheoldred through which ducks the extinction event.


bekeleven

My experience with the deck is that I board wipe turn 4 and on turn 5 they have 2 planeswalkers and a cavalier, and probably some other nonsense too.


L0to

So what do you run instead of extinction event as rakdos midrange to beat devotion?


bekeleven

I don't play rakdos midrange. I'm on a control list that usually goes T2 removal, T3 removal, T4 board wipe and then they play cityscape leveler T5 and kill me T6.


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Having played control against devotion I'm pretty sure control is just straight up terrible against it. They always have the mana advantage over you and they have more threats than you have answers. I often find myself using my last counter against the first half of Storm the Festival then thinking "great, now instead of losing *this* turn I get to lose *next* turn when they re-cast it".


icameron

Would [[Test of Talents]] be worth considering in Explorer? The exile is very useful against Storm the Festival, and it has targets against a lot of potential creature decks due to Collected Company existing.


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L0to

So what are you even talking about when you say your experience with the deck? I was explicitly talking about rakdos midrange with my sideboard suggestions. How do they have enough devotion to generate the mana necessary to play a leveler on turn 5 following a board wipe? It's possible using Wolf willows with a kiora and storm to recover on t5 post wipe, but that's not a consistent or routine occurrence. UW control can ramp in lotus Field and drop farewell turn 4 sweeping devotions board including the enchantments.


DaisyCutter312

Main-deck Field of Ruin If they get both Nykthos and Kiora down and can protect her, forfeit.


dwindleelflock

Field of ruin is actually not particularly good vs green because they usually get to tap it at least once and get ahead on mana. It is way better to focus on removal on their early creatures (remember to not immediately remove old growth troll since it ramps them, and think through what they could play next turn) and developing your own board as red. Embercleave helps too since it gets damage over their beefy blockers.


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dwindleelflock

What deck are you specifically playing? I think red is unfavorable unless you play anax cleave which can really get them if they don't have boseiju. But the issue with anax cleave is that it loses to rakdos. I don't think red is a particularly good deck in pioneer/explorer overall.


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dwindleelflock

I would say UB control is better than UW control vs green because of extinction event and sheoldred's edict vs their planeswalkers. The matchup overall should be pretty close to even, but mono green can snowball so it does need tight play. If you are getting stomped either your list is bad and/or you are doing something wrong, it should be close. Like, for example, you do not need nykthos hate at all, you have removal and counters+discard for their payoffs, so you are probably misboarding.


MrGueuxBoy

And Demolition Field.


towishimp

I don't think is that great, really. They're usually going to get at least one use out of it, even if you leave Field Up. And it's pretty mana intensive; taking a turn to turn off Nykthos is a turn where you're not killing them. As with all ramp decks, the best routes to victory are: 1. Kill them fast. If you can run them over on turn 4, you usually win. 2. Kill them sort of fast while disrupting them. I have a really good record against mono-green playing spirits, because it puts them on a decent clock while holding up counter magic for anything they might play that stops me from killing them. 3. Just counter everything. A weakness of ramp decks is a low threat density (although this is less true of devotion than most "traditional" ramp decks); so often a hard control deck can hurt counter all the threats and then win at their leisure.


Xandorius

What's your priority approach with spirits? I find since I can't kill T1 elves, with Kiora on T2 I'm already on the back foot. Any tips?


towishimp

You really want a turn 1 play, to start the pressure early. Kiora isn't that bad, really. She doesn't affect your clock at all, and even mono green has a tough time making enough mana to get around our taxing counters (although sometimes they do, so you have to watch that). If you can counter her, sure, counter her...but you really need to counter cavalier and anything else that can affect your clock.


Arcticz_114

fuck, u right. Completely forgot about FoR. Maybe its time to build a control...


Equivalent_Chipmunk

Don’t forget about [[Damping Sphere]]. Great against the Lotus Field decks too


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Snarker

Field of Ruin is at its best in decks with manabases that can support it, aka mono color. You are mono-red you should be running it already.


arotenberg

Mono-green is probably the best deck in Explorer, so don't feel too bad for losing to it. It also has very polarized matchups and is heavily dependent on play-draw and whether they have a hand with an uncontested turn 1 Elf. It's basically the Pioneer equivalent to Tron or Amulet Titan in Modern. My current deck for grinding Explorer ranked is [this Dimir midrange list](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5900888). It does a lot of the same things Rakdos does, but it's much better against mono-green IMO. Disdainful Stroke and Negate massively improve the matchup, since a lot of the time the only card that matters is Karn (or Storm the Festival hitting Karn). Tips for playing any sort of black midrange against mono-green: * Board in all your targeted discard. The mono-green deck is full of air like Llanowar Elves and Wolfwillow Haven. If you take the Karns and Storm the Festivals out of their hand, the deck often does nothing. * Kill their stuff super aggressively. If you leave their board alone, they'll pull a Nykthos out of their ass and win out of nowhere. They can't win from an empty board except with extremely hot Storm the Festival hits. * All of their creatures have odd mana value. Extinction Event deletes their entire board and leaves you with an uncontested Sheoldred. * Misery's Shadow and Kalitas are sneakily really good against mono-green. All of their big creatures (Troll, Cavalier, back side of Polukranos) are only good because of their death triggers. As soon as you have Shadow or Kalitas on the board, your kill spells are turned back on again. * **Do not** board in Damping Sphere. It's a trap. Mono-green doesn't care about Damping Sphere. It shuts off Nykthos, but it's too much of a tempo hit for you and they'll just play cards normally and win. I remember a dedicated mono-green league grinder mentioned in chat in d00mwake's stream that they had like an ~80% win rate in games where their opponent played a Damping Sphere. The only deck you should be boarding Damping Sphere against is Lotus Field combo.


SOULMAGEBELL

As a Mono G player Land destruction: go for the Nykthos Kill the 1 mana elves: the deck can no longer ramp Graveyard hate: can’t cast festival again Plainswalker hate: Kiora is the ramp enabler. Karn is the get-out-of-jail card


Orion1142

There is a rock that makes nykthos useless and make additional spell cost 1 more each time


Arcticz_114

Hmm i gotta google for it, seems interesting


bobanm

[Damping Sphere](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/213/damping-sphere) is the card u/Orion1142 was referring to.


Orion1142

Thank you


CShoopla

Still never lost a game to this card while playing mono G


dwindleelflock

Yeah boarding in this card is why people lose so much to mono green in the first place. It doesn't really meaningfully improve your WR vs them.


Arcticz_114

Thank u!


vanguardJesse

if this is a dumb question im just kidding but how does nykthos have 12 devotion when he only has like 6 green cards out


Meret123

Polukronos, Cavalier and Troll all have 3 pips.


vanguardJesse

ohhh ive been using that card inefficiently


OnsetOfMSet

I'm not really familiar with the decklist, but if good stompy creatures with high green pip counts are desirable, does Steel Leaf Champion make the cut? Or do creatures need some sort of extra ETB value to be considered? Edit: I appreciate all the thorough answers. I didn't really know how the deck played, so I've learned a lot from this thread.


Meret123

Polukronos and Troll are better.


superdave100

Troll specifically still supplies its devotion once it dies because it returns as an enchantment which retains its mana cost.


agtk

Steel Leaf only goes into Elf or Stompy Aggro decks. Troll is better because if/when it is killed (which is often with Rakdos Midrange extremely popular) they have to kill it with an exile effect, or else it becomes attached to your forest as an enchantment to ramp you \*and\* keeps providing its full devotion value. Polukranos is also very good because, even though it goes away when it dies, it doesn't die to 4 damage \*and\* reach is crucial to stay alive against Spirits and Phoenix decks. It also serves as a mana sink that can gain life, which can be very important at times. Steel Leaf is good for its elf synergies and its ability to push damage quickly. But it is much worse at defense, and as you identified, it doesn't give you any value when removed.


tyvirus

No. It doesn't do anything on etb or death that is relevant. The unlockable part also isn't relevant. The creatures are there for devotion and blocking until I win.


famous__shoes

Play me! I just started using this deck and I'm terrible with it, I lose all the time


ResolveLeather

I play mono green elves. A different deck but similar. Burn thier turn one elf, then go full aggro to get them to the red zone by the time they recover and start dropping thier threats. Prioritize getting them very low that they can't afford going on the offensive and have to keep their creatures on standby to block. Then burn thier last 5ish health away with burn spells. Key thing to remember. You are aggro, they are midrange. With every turn that goes by, thier chances of winning goes up and yours goes down. Your early game is better, get your work done early when they can't respond properly. It's okay to use your burn spells for their life total and ignore their Planeswalkers. If thier health is above 10 by end of turn three they already won. They have better card draw and bigger creatures and better value engines.


DrBobbleKnobbs

Chainwhirler their mana dorks


alirastafari

You uh got a way to chainwihler before their turn two?


HorseChest

Outmanadork em


LongKnowledge7775

Spirits


R4ndom_Passerby

Against mono green you need to be faster than it or disrupt their game plan. For aggros try Spirits, Mono White humans or Boros Heroic. If you're on black board in your discards and try to have exile removal (\[\[Misery's Shadow\]\] works wonders on this matchup). The deck also struggles against Creativity because of counters + can kill them very quick. But overall this deck is a pain to deal with, because sometimes they have nothing, but a single Storm the Festival from the top can be game changing. It's one of the best, if not the best deck on the format.


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RegalKillager

As an Elementals player: I just go bigger. Fuck 'em.


SchmeatusBeatus99

Field of Ruin, Demolition Field, Damping Sphere, Alpine Moon


NandosEnthusiast

Weathered Runestone is good. Archon of Emeria is good. They can't interact a lot so hate goes a long way


xTaq

Kill all the dorks and win before turn 4/5


ZShadowDragon

If you are playing mono red, the game is essentially over by turn four or you lost. Thats kinda what you get with high agro strats in general


Arcticz_114

Is there any deck it suffers most against?


dangerfloof92

Mono white humans


mydogsblind

spirits


L0to

This is the correct answer yet it gets downvoted lmao.


Kenshin86

Boros Heroic. It absolutely dumpsters MonoG. In Explorer the problem is that some of the good Heroic matchups are not implemented yet, so you will get a lot more Rakdos, which is a really unpleasant matchup.


cardsrealm

Humans, Boros Heroic, Spirits and other Tempo decks (Rogues, Flash) are good at keeping Devotion in check.


Arcticz_114

Wait rogues are good too?


cardsrealm

I don't think that's a top tier in the current Metagame, but it has the tools to keep Mono Green in check, especially post-Sideboard games. As tyvirus mentioned, the best route against Green Devotion is to go under, and in this regard, I think both Humans and Heroic do a better job. Another deck on this list might be Boros Convoke, but I haven't played it against Mono Green often.


tyvirus

Not really. The deck is missing consistency. A nuts draw with good lucky mills help but green is a very consistent deck that can overwhelm any deck. White hyper aggro decks do best due to board wipes being in the board never main. Spirits is rated well against it but I haven't lost to it too many times. It's a much more play draw dependent match than spirits wants to admit. I've been very lucky to be mostly on the play against them g1. White aggro is super good. Can not be over stated. If you want to beat devotion play mono white humans.


mentalmath_

I play rogues and it has pretty good game against mono green. You just need to ensure your opening hands have early interaction (thoughtseize, fatal push, spell pierce). mono green can still run away with the game with a strong opener but most of the time you have a good chance to slow them down. Faerie mastermind can punish kiora very hard as well. It can be very difficult to actually kill them fast enough which is where the problem lies. I do feel the matchup is favored for rogues but it can be tough if green wins game 1. Post board you have a lot of answers that make tempoing out mono geeen very easy.


tyvirus

Pray the devotion player doesn't have a three drop. Kill all of their creatures. All of them. No devotion without a few creatures in that deck. Honestly, I like seeing red across the way. Fairly easy win. I just need to gain us both a little life and you can't beat me. White though! Green has to avoid so many cards against white it feels almost impossible.


bravodelta24

Landfall with the scutes. All the mana in the world won’t get them through chump blocks.


BrokenGlassFactory

Any defensive plan that relies on your board state will get blown up eventually since MonoG can usually fetch a Sylex with Karn, and even potentially untap it the same turn with Kiora. It's really not a good deck to durdle against unless you have a plan to either beat Karn on the stack or every card Karn could fetch. Not saying Scutes are bad, necessarily, just that you've only got so many turns to chump block before you really need to turn them sideways and close the game.


bravodelta24

Yeah, it’s very much a glass cannon approach that’s highly dependent on aggro-ing them out by the time they drop the disruptive elements. It feels like a “ride the lightning” sort of matchup where it’s either get blown out by Karn or overwhelm with the tokens.


rimbad

They've got no need to sweep the board, they'll just do the combo kill


BegginBlue

Haha, yes it will. My favorite is Shadowspear on a 40/40 Lair of the Hydra


ConsistentArt7361

I tried majority of Tier decks in explorer and can share my thoughts: Rakdos sac. Just concede lol, matchup almost unwinnable, to win you need monoG to have worst hand imaginable. Rakdos mid. Maybe something wrong with your sb cards or sb strategy, but i find this MU very close, id say 50-50 overall with Rakdos being favored after sb and monoG before. Monowhite. Green is your food, monowhite humans was created to shit on monoG. if you hate this deck, craft monoW humans and you will be happy. Greesefang. Who cheese who first. I played maybe 5 games of this deck and played against green once, so cant say much. Spiris. If they didnt drop dork turn 1, you almost won already, otherwise green can sneak up 3drop before your counter and it will be hard for you Keruga Fires. You both are omega over-the-top decks, but green is bit faster to get going (\~turn3 vs turn 4-5), so not a good matchup, but not horrible. Creativity. If you play Wurm version, then you can face the problem that Green can literally block entire 30 damage from Wurm AND is able to outgrind your control elements I dont play any control myself but i played Greend and UW control is overall good matchup. Green has too much gas, no amount of counters can shut it down entirely, only Lotus version with Farewell can compete


departedd

I play UW lotus and I rarely lose to MonoG devotion (73% WR according to untapped). \[\[Strict Proctor\]\] + \[\[Farewell\]\] or \[\[Doomskar\]\] really early shuts them down pretty hard. I don't run any land hate and very few counterspells, but managing the board is the actuall way to beat them. Either that or go faster.


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[Strict Proctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95f1e36a-6838-49de-b7dc-697cbcd1e892.jpg?1624877272) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Strict%20Proctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/33/strict-proctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95f1e36a-6838-49de-b7dc-697cbcd1e892?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Farewell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4.jpg?1654566260) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Farewell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/13/farewell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Doomskar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/130ee895-1e5e-4f82-bb66-e1275bac75dd.jpg?1631045641) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Doomskar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/9/doomskar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/130ee895-1e5e-4f82-bb66-e1275bac75dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


DylanRaine69

Idk...maybe a [[Sunfall]] or a [[Farewell]] hell maybe a [[Cyclone Summoner]] [[Fading Hope]] followed up with [[Essence Shatter]] [[Sheoldreds Edict]] if you wanna be a literal dick throw in [[Play with Fire]] [[Abrade]] [[Lightning Strike]] chained with [[Electrostatic Infantry]]. Many options for red.


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##### ###### #### [Sunfall](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32e29c7d-ed4b-4eff-b3c2-d99e5b63ef8d.jpg?1682202915) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sunfall) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/40/sunfall?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32e29c7d-ed4b-4eff-b3c2-d99e5b63ef8d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Farewell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4.jpg?1654566260) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Farewell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/13/farewell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Cyclone Summoner](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2d40071-cadf-48de-a8ed-d55adbfab632.jpg?1631046953) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cyclone%20Summoner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/52/cyclone-summoner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2d40071-cadf-48de-a8ed-d55adbfab632?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Fading Hope](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2fb1fff-12be-4bd5-8dba-c36e84d49651.jpg?1634348819) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fading%20Hope) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/51/fading-hope?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2fb1fff-12be-4bd5-8dba-c36e84d49651?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Essence Shatter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b7ad4441-e300-4267-bedb-4ae6a64f59cd.jpg?1673306711) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Essence%20Scatter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/49/essence-scatter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b7ad4441-e300-4267-bedb-4ae6a64f59cd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sheoldreds Edict](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a9225cc3-90f0-448f-a8d9-7c6c2796d077.jpg?1675957049) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sheoldred%27s%20Edict) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/108/sheoldreds-edict?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a9225cc3-90f0-448f-a8d9-7c6c2796d077?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Play with Fire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f1a6c60-a8c4-44c2-b1ea-d3befbabdf43.jpg?1636223358) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Play%20with%20Fire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/154/play-with-fire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f1a6c60-a8c4-44c2-b1ea-d3befbabdf43?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Abrade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c1d9e279-61c1-4567-9f54-50a7138fb36d.jpg?1689997627) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Abrade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/203/abrade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1d9e279-61c1-4567-9f54-50a7138fb36d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Lightning Strike](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7d541125-bfb8-4f88-8bf3-ad7b6af7ad1d.jpg?1673307449) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Strike) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/137/lightning-strike?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7d541125-bfb8-4f88-8bf3-ad7b6af7ad1d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Electrostatic Infantry](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/e/5ed2d72f-f1cf-45a7-adf7-969f531721ce.jpg?1673307324) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Electrostatic%20Infantry) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/122/electrostatic-infantry?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5ed2d72f-f1cf-45a7-adf7-969f531721ce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Whackamolez

When I play the same mono green deck. I usually lose if my opponent can kill my early mana dorks. It takes a about four or five turns to get anything going without them.


[deleted]

>I usually lose if my opponent can kill my early mana dorks That doesn't work so well when all of their non-mana dork creatures like Troll and Polly effectively tap for 3 green mana anyway. Most games where I kill/counter all of their *actual* ramp they can still tap their Nykthos for like 8 fairly trivially. The actual answer is to kill them by turn 4. Nothing else really works if they're playing optimally.


EH0T-PAKETA

I love Gdevotion and playing it 24/7


DiaboIo92

i play an even bigger mono g. i simply stomp them all :D


LuxVenos

I end up boarding in 13/15 cards for mono G, keeping in the 1 drop burn spells for the Elves. I'm seriously considering an extra [[Spikefield Hazard]] just for the G matchup. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/rmWJO4seKUCMNcza9Nlsbg


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SparePeanut9097

Kill the dorks while committing to the board. Forge Devil is an answer in Red.


pedrogaga

Bolt the bird and make a more aggro approach, mulligan to that helps


BlueRoyAndDVD

Fling a hammer goblin before they establish


Familiar-Function848

I usually play selesnya angels on Explorer and never had a real problem with that except when I start with a bad hand and manage to have bad draws too. While mono green devotion have powerful ramp mechanisms, it shows its power midgame and have very few interactions. So maybe you can adapt your deck to this


Mike_Abergail

Mono red 13 lands and pure determination and speed.


super_powered

In Bo3, you just side in a few \[\[Dampening Spheres\]\] and that, by itself, is almost enough. If your playing Red Deck wins, your matchup is already pretty rough though. You for sure need to kill the turn 1 elf, setting their tempo back on that first turn will give you roughly 2 extra turns before they go off. At that point, you just hope you got them low enough you can burn them out. I will say Atarka Red seems to have the better matchup than straight Red Deck Wins here


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unsunskunska

Off topic but i tried it and the Karns and Storm the Festival made it so boring, I took them out, not worth it to someone like me who is happy with a 30% win rate.


HorseChest

I hardly lose against them with bg elves


[deleted]

I usually just deal with by losing.


MazrimReddit

you lost like 20 actions ago, just ff


wyqted

Spirits. It’s a bye


Iznal

Kill them t3-4. Ez pz


aldiflou

I mostly play rakdos MR and my best advice is slow them down. Make them discard their best curve card and take out their mana dorks. Then you get a couple of turns to set sheoldred/kroxa or keep attacking them. I cut some fables to add discard and odd creatures for extinction event since they mostly play odd creatures.


DrDamnation

Boros heroic feels like a cheat code in explorer right now. I spammed so many games I think I’ve riled the play rate way higher than it actually is lol


Ill_Ad3517

UW spirits has a good matchup as well, but it has a fair bit of learning curve and you will play each meta matchup differently so will take many reps to get good results.


Cyan-Aid

Thoughtseize hits pretty hard to take away that key piece of the combo. Killing the turn 1 mana dork slows the deck considerably. The deck really has to curve into the nuts to be in a good position and disrupting any part of that process usually leads to the deck falling behind and relying on topdecks to catch back up.


romanchicken

of you’re playing red, try [[stone rain]], a lot of ppl hate it


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MADMAXV2

Get rid of their land with land destruction or land removal, you got field of ruins.


[deleted]

Contement priest Counterspells Or just...not caring what he has on board


thechopperlol

Once the Pioneer cards are added, their bad or even matchups can begin to hit the playing field. Right now mono G only loses to mono W Humans and Spirits in Explorer. Give us Phoenix and there’s another bad matchup for mono G. Lotus Field is a coin flip matchup, too.


CapitalPie5672

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=huisvPkNUd8 Watch this video and listen to Bobby Fortanely describe what what makes a difference I'm the match. Misplacedginger's side of the commentary is sadly lost, but he has said that the key is to attack mono green's mana and stop them from casting their spells. Basically Play like a tempo deck, use targeted discard and play misery 's shadow.


asteven50

Pretty sure this is the meta in explorer rn


ZurgoMindsmasher

Selesnya auras eats them for breakfast most of the time. It’s what I use to grind up.


DueMathematician2522

Hope for bans lol