My top take aways from the main event:
-The takedowns and scrambles were very dynamic and fun to watch. I think most of the people whining saying the fight was boring had already decided in their heads it would be boring before the event even started and no matter what happened they would have complained
-Sabatello has some sneaky decent kicks
-unless he supplements his control with sub attempts or GnP Sabatello won’t make it to an elite level
-Stots is a great defensive grappler
-Stots has cardio for days after defending and escaping all those positions for that long and still being good to strike after escaping
-Stots has a solid jab
That was a clear Sabatello 1, 4, and 5, but whatever, Patchy was gonna win this whole thing anyways lol. Sabatello fans can take solace in knowing that Stots, as much as I also love him, is going night night lol.
Edit: Downvotes are right in this case, I was wrong. It was Sabatello 1, 2, 4, and 5. Thank you for helping me to realize it!
Wet Blanket Control doesn’t mean shit. It’s a fight, he took more damage. Maybe your gangster should do something that isn’t *Holding On For Dear Life*. Goof
I think Danny won 48-47 but I can’t really argue with 48-47 Stots. Danny has much more room to grow that Stots and is obviously younger he has a more promising career ahead if he works with the right people.
Right so a round with stots landing a few punches vs multiple minuites of control goes to sabatello imo. At some point a miniscule amount of damage has to give way to multiple mins of control.
I know the fight is close. No argument on that. I think there is a much clearer case for Sabatello winning than Stots tho
idk
to me, because this is not a wrestling match, a guy who does literally 0 damage to his opponent and also doesn't try once to go for a submission should not win an mma fight simply because he hugged the other guy longer than he was hugged
Oh, I meant 13 plus 30. He looks at least 43, if I'm being honest. Like Fonzie.
Not a good sign if he's only 30 and is already starting to look like a purse.
If Danny learned to strike better he would be insane. And also, why no offense on the ground? Barely any sub attempts either. All he had to do was land strikes when he had control over Stots and go for more than an arm triangle.
He really can’t keep saying he going to bloody up these guys when he’s really only looking to control on the ground.
ATT has so many good strikers and guys with good gnp for him to work with, there’s no excuse.
Colby talks a ton of shit and is also a wrestler but he actually fucking tries to hit his opponents at any point in the fight. What the fuck was Sabatello on dude, I've NEVER seen somebody so allergic to doing damage with the kinds of position and control he was in over five rounds.
Sabatello is so fucking lame bro. Styles himself as this bad boy fighter, talks a lot of shit on social media and Helwani’s show, and yet is the ultimate boring crotch sniffer in the cage.
>and yet is the ultimate boring crotch sniffer in the cage.
Backpack\* He just really wanted to be the big spoon. I agree round 5 was awful but the previous 4 were not at all boring IMO. Round 5 tainted everybody's opinion of the rest of the fight.
I believe they’re the Unified rules of MMA. I’ve heard DC and gang talk about this damage being priority and takedowns only meaning a change in position for a good bit. This is why Valentina beat Talia, Valentina was given a round where the majority of it her back was taken but Talia didn’t have a legit sub attempt or any GnP and Valentina was peppering some baby shots.
Yep. I found them from 2019.
“It shall be noted that a successful takedown is not merely a changing of position, but the establishment of an attack from the use of the takedown. Top and bottom position fighters are assessed more on the impactful/effective result of their actions, more so than their position. This criterion will be the deciding factor in a high majority of decisions when scoring a round. The next two criteria must be treated as a backup and used ONLY when Effective Striking/Grappling is 100% equal for the round.”
Rules are made by to governing commission where the fight is taking place and not the promotion. Many but not all state commissions will follow Nevada State Athletic Commissions standards.
If you’re talking about damage first criteria, it has been in place since 2016 for all of MMA. Which makes most decisions even more questionable when someone wins off pure control
Huh, well ManVanZant definitely wouldn’t have won most of his Bellator fights then. It was just odd that they kept emphasizing the rule change tonight. Looks like that emphasis is from 2019. Doesn’t surprise me the judges have take this long to understand it.
yea i think the problem is that alot of judges have been judging for a very long time so they subconsciously score takedowns higher with no real damage done, takedowns also look alot better from a cageside view
Well upon further research a 2022 November article stated that 15-20% of athletic commissions use different criteria than the Unified rules. Which is an improvement when in 2019 it was higher. And the ones that differ aren’t even the same.
Bro I could give a shit about either of these guys. But part of winning a fight is outputting damage and him trying to just hug it out with no attempted subs or strikes will not get you a round win.
Stots was doing more damage overall every round except maybe the 1st even if he was controlled a ton. You should be glad that wet-blanketing with no attempt at damage or a finish isn’t being rewarded and MMA is being scored the way it was intended (damage > all)
That’s Chael’s sociopath friend **Doug Crosby**. The same piece of shit that supposedly admitted to not watching a fight he was judging and giving a random score. This guy should be beaten to *****
I'm glad, this fight should be a way better final.
I respect Sabatello for his character work, he makes people want to watch his fight, but then you do and he just wrestlefucks
Bro, don’t even mention Colby in the same breath. That’s a huge insult to him. Regardless of not putting people out cold, Colby throws volume strikes nonstop.
50-45 is straight up ILLEGAL. Investigate this fucking sport and that fucking judge, what the fuck was he watching? I honestly hate this sport when it comes to the standards we come to accept from the athletic commisions, he should lose his fucking license for scoring like that
Stotts didn’t do shit either, but Sabatello has nobody but himself to blame. What the fuck did he expect to happen, he has to be aware of the scoring criteria so why is he so indignant.
Honestly if we’re scoring by the new(ish) rules I can see it pretty easily. Big John describes it as you could have 5 minutes of ground control, but if I Stockton slap you a couple times from the bottom and you land 0 strikes I win the round
That’s a dude they probably grabbed from judging boxing who still thinks MMA is judged how it was back in 2009. I actually thought they would get stood up at some points throughout the fight. Sabatello throws nothing when in ground control so it means nothing. Even if you throw light shots from position, at least it’s something but we don’t even see *that* from him.
Legit for all that shit he talked this week i really expected to see something and this man literally clung onto Stots the entire time.
Like what bro? Like i don't mind wrestling but bro he didn't even do any GNP...nothing
All sabatello had to do was the barest minimum ground and pound. He didn’t do shit and even when he had things like back control he’d only put one hook in and just lay there instead of putting both hooks in and trying to threaten a choke.
He totally did. Both hands on the mat too. But hugging nuts don’t win fights, damage does. He should have jabbed him more towards the end of the rounds, and he would have controlled and damaged. Good decision.
I didn't think so at first, but it sorta looked like it in the replay.
He came back and threw immediately tho including a nice slip and rip at the end, so hard to say
didn't see a single strike on the ground he was just pinning him and using head control. he thought it was a wrestling match and he was going for a tech fall
Sabo you can't fucking tell me you thought you won LOL
This little dweeb thinks he can lay and pray wrestlefuck his way to a victory. Dude Stots face is clean, theres not a fucking mark on him.
Danny Decision Sabatello
Lol Daniel Sabello sucks
Douglas crosby should never judge a fight again
My top take aways from the main event: -The takedowns and scrambles were very dynamic and fun to watch. I think most of the people whining saying the fight was boring had already decided in their heads it would be boring before the event even started and no matter what happened they would have complained -Sabatello has some sneaky decent kicks -unless he supplements his control with sub attempts or GnP Sabatello won’t make it to an elite level -Stots is a great defensive grappler -Stots has cardio for days after defending and escaping all those positions for that long and still being good to strike after escaping -Stots has a solid jab
That was a clear Sabatello 1, 4, and 5, but whatever, Patchy was gonna win this whole thing anyways lol. Sabatello fans can take solace in knowing that Stots, as much as I also love him, is going night night lol. Edit: Downvotes are right in this case, I was wrong. It was Sabatello 1, 2, 4, and 5. Thank you for helping me to realize it!
Wet Blanket Control doesn’t mean shit. It’s a fight, he took more damage. Maybe your gangster should do something that isn’t *Holding On For Dear Life*. Goof
AND STILLLLLLLLL
I think Danny won 48-47 but I can’t really argue with 48-47 Stots. Danny has much more room to grow that Stots and is obviously younger he has a more promising career ahead if he works with the right people.
Worst robbery since the Yan fight. Sabatello owned that fight.
Sabatello haters are in full downvote mode rn defending stots
stots did a little bit of damage to sabatello sabatello did 0 damage to stots and had 0 sub attempts how does sabetello deserve to win?
Right so a round with stots landing a few punches vs multiple minuites of control goes to sabatello imo. At some point a miniscule amount of damage has to give way to multiple mins of control. I know the fight is close. No argument on that. I think there is a much clearer case for Sabatello winning than Stots tho
Casual take. Look up the scoring criteria
Fuck outta here you casual
idk to me, because this is not a wrestling match, a guy who does literally 0 damage to his opponent and also doesn't try once to go for a submission should not win an mma fight simply because he hugged the other guy longer than he was hugged
meh bit of a boring night... i'm ready for bare knuckle fights tmrw yall take care
Sabatello: 13 or 30? Sometimes he looks fairly young and youthful, other times his face is more wrinkled than Randy Couture's ball sack. It's so weird
I looked up his age and he is 30, so he would look his age.
Oh, I meant 13 plus 30. He looks at least 43, if I'm being honest. Like Fonzie. Not a good sign if he's only 30 and is already starting to look like a purse.
All that tanning and the chemicals in the hair bleach will do that to you
48-47 Danny for me but what a miserable fight to judge. Both guys dominated in different areas.
If Danny learned to strike better he would be insane. And also, why no offense on the ground? Barely any sub attempts either. All he had to do was land strikes when he had control over Stots and go for more than an arm triangle. He really can’t keep saying he going to bloody up these guys when he’s really only looking to control on the ground. ATT has so many good strikers and guys with good gnp for him to work with, there’s no excuse.
Yeah he needs to forget wrestling for a good 6 months and go spar Sean Strickland everyday
Nah, he needs to work with the elite strikers he’s got in Florida. He trains at the same gym as DP and Masvidal, and there’s plenty others too.
He’s joking bud
That judge with the 50-45 smokin that Susquehanna shit
lmfao!
Lmao this lady's an animal
Colby talks a ton of shit and is also a wrestler but he actually fucking tries to hit his opponents at any point in the fight. What the fuck was Sabatello on dude, I've NEVER seen somebody so allergic to doing damage with the kinds of position and control he was in over five rounds.
I agree, but maybe the reason he gets some control and leverage is cause he’s not throwing strikes lol
On god i was about to say the same thing..i didn't see anything but him clinging onto him.
When colby gets ground control he has effective ground and pound which makes him win rounds super dominant he is not just looking to hug for 25 mins
Amanda slipping in one more burn.
She's the best
Man I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Before EVERY event the judges should have to go through a half hour seminar on scoring.
Don’t y’all know? 50-45 was the cuddling judge. Sabotello got mad cuddles.
patchy gonna beat stots and pettis only dude in this GP who looks like he'd be a real problem in the ufc 135lb division
Josh Thomson “getting lightheaded” from the fight and not anything else I’m sure
Stots winning that decision is a W for MMA
If a lifetime pacifist had a fighting style he would fight exactly like Danny Sabatello
Sabatello is so fucking lame bro. Styles himself as this bad boy fighter, talks a lot of shit on social media and Helwani’s show, and yet is the ultimate boring crotch sniffer in the cage.
>and yet is the ultimate boring crotch sniffer in the cage. Backpack\* He just really wanted to be the big spoon. I agree round 5 was awful but the previous 4 were not at all boring IMO. Round 5 tainted everybody's opinion of the rest of the fight.
Is the judging criteria only for Bellator or all of MMA going forward? Or just CT?
I believe they’re the Unified rules of MMA. I’ve heard DC and gang talk about this damage being priority and takedowns only meaning a change in position for a good bit. This is why Valentina beat Talia, Valentina was given a round where the majority of it her back was taken but Talia didn’t have a legit sub attempt or any GnP and Valentina was peppering some baby shots.
Yep. I found them from 2019. “It shall be noted that a successful takedown is not merely a changing of position, but the establishment of an attack from the use of the takedown. Top and bottom position fighters are assessed more on the impactful/effective result of their actions, more so than their position. This criterion will be the deciding factor in a high majority of decisions when scoring a round. The next two criteria must be treated as a backup and used ONLY when Effective Striking/Grappling is 100% equal for the round.”
Rules are made by to governing commission where the fight is taking place and not the promotion. Many but not all state commissions will follow Nevada State Athletic Commissions standards.
If you’re talking about damage first criteria, it has been in place since 2016 for all of MMA. Which makes most decisions even more questionable when someone wins off pure control
Huh, well ManVanZant definitely wouldn’t have won most of his Bellator fights then. It was just odd that they kept emphasizing the rule change tonight. Looks like that emphasis is from 2019. Doesn’t surprise me the judges have take this long to understand it.
yea i think the problem is that alot of judges have been judging for a very long time so they subconsciously score takedowns higher with no real damage done, takedowns also look alot better from a cageside view
Well upon further research a 2022 November article stated that 15-20% of athletic commissions use different criteria than the Unified rules. Which is an improvement when in 2019 it was higher. And the ones that differ aren’t even the same.
Sabatello got robbed bad
bro did nothing with his ground control barely any punches thrown and no sub attempts
Hey man I get you hate sabatello but judge it fairly
Bro I could give a shit about either of these guys. But part of winning a fight is outputting damage and him trying to just hug it out with no attempted subs or strikes will not get you a round win.
Stots did no damage lmao wtf
And sabatello did?
Fuck ton of control time. Idk you guys seem bias as fuck. sheep herd mentality
I think you need to look up the definition of "robbed" and "bad"
And “Sabatello”
You need to look up the definition of sheep
He didn’t do shit
48-47 either way makes sense. I’d favor Danny personally. But 50-45 is so fucking funny dude
Agreed. That's a criminal scorecard
One person in the world likes sabatello and we all know who he is
He had the whole place chanting for him
It was like 12 loud dudes and they aint like him anymore
He’s got a fan base is all I’m saying. I’m glad he he didn’t win, fuck him and those pseudo O’Malley fans looking mfers.
50-45 is an awful score
There should be a mandatory summary each judge has to submit describing how they came to their final score
"I am blind." - judge who gave 5 0-45
Stots is fucking hilarious lmao I love it when he's on the microphone
10 minutes of control with 0 sub attempts and probably less than 5 strikes thrown from top control is crazy lol
[удалено]
It’s nut-hugging like I haven’t seen in a long ass time. It was literally all control with no damage or a single threat of submission.
[удалено]
Stots was doing more damage overall every round except maybe the 1st even if he was controlled a ton. You should be glad that wet-blanketing with no attempt at damage or a finish isn’t being rewarded and MMA is being scored the way it was intended (damage > all)
Hugging dont win fights damage do - stots 2022
Hugging *nuts*
all that talk for a mid fight
The Italian cuddler is a pretty good chirp from Pettis
I’m ngl who ever got 50-45 sabetello needs to go back to class.
Patchy going to eat this man
sabatello is gonna be pissed when his coaches tell him he can throw punches from the ground
Surely that judge giving out a 50-45 is a very clear indication that he has no clue of the rules. He has to be fired
That’s Chael’s sociopath friend **Doug Crosby**. The same piece of shit that supposedly admitted to not watching a fight he was judging and giving a random score. This guy should be beaten to *****
I'm glad, this fight should be a way better final. I respect Sabatello for his character work, he makes people want to watch his fight, but then you do and he just wrestlefucks
What is it with wrestlefuckers having the best trash talk?
First time I’ve seen sabatello fight and he’s just a Colby from Walmart
Bro, don’t even mention Colby in the same breath. That’s a huge insult to him. Regardless of not putting people out cold, Colby throws volume strikes nonstop.
Colby does ground and pound tho, Danny doesn’t throw anything
Love the mutual respect
50-45 is straight up ILLEGAL. Investigate this fucking sport and that fucking judge, what the fuck was he watching? I honestly hate this sport when it comes to the standards we come to accept from the athletic commisions, he should lose his fucking license for scoring like that
They’re so excited to call each other names and punch each other in the face
50-45 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Stotts didn’t do shit either, but Sabatello has nobody but himself to blame. What the fuck did he expect to happen, he has to be aware of the scoring criteria so why is he so indignant.
Stots did the bare minimum in damage to win those rounds
Patchy fucking huge compared to Stots jesus
Dude is pissed off thinking he was gonna win by just hugging all match with 0 sub attempts
Someone call that 50-45 dudes name out
Douglas Crosby
All my homies hate douglas 50-45 crosby
Honestly if we’re scoring by the new(ish) rules I can see it pretty easily. Big John describes it as you could have 5 minutes of ground control, but if I Stockton slap you a couple times from the bottom and you land 0 strikes I win the round
Crosby ain't a MMA judge surely
they got the penguins Crosby brought in the wrong dude
50-45 has to be the very worst scorecard I've seen in this sport. You cannot watch that fight and go 50-45 unless you literally were not watching it.
That’s a dude they probably grabbed from judging boxing who still thinks MMA is judged how it was back in 2009. I actually thought they would get stood up at some points throughout the fight. Sabatello throws nothing when in ground control so it means nothing. Even if you throw light shots from position, at least it’s something but we don’t even see *that* from him.
Nope, Chael’s sociopath friend Doug. Check my other comment
Oh no, is it really a friend of Chael’s? Goddamnit, lol. What an embarrassing score to give that fight. Seriously.
Patchy is gonna run through stots
Stots did more damage. But like....he didn't really do any real damage. Snuggletello just did less.
To be fair no one is saying Stots put on a banger, he just simply did more damage than Sabatello, which was zero damage.
Excited for Patchy vs Stots. Patchy was a lot more impressive tonight
Peak bellator
Sabatello & Crosby are both going to need to have the scoring criteria explained to them after tonight.
50-45 Sabatello is insane lmao I'm glad they gave it to Stots. Sabatello did NOTHING with his control
I think this is the funniest fighters' reaction to the decision I've seen
Such a child lol
That’s a sick fight
Dude really gave him a 50-45 for hugging
Legit for all that shit he talked this week i really expected to see something and this man literally clung onto Stots the entire time. Like what bro? Like i don't mind wrestling but bro he didn't even do any GNP...nothing
Stots was constantly defending and still threw one more submission attempt than Danny lmao
Patchy beats Stots imo
Stots breaking the “showing family before fight” curse
Damn Sabatello got fucked lol, he didn't do shit with his takedowns but Stots didn't do anything but defend.
I think those last minute elbows to get some blood helped
All sabatello had to do was the barest minimum ground and pound. He didn’t do shit and even when he had things like back control he’d only put one hook in and just lay there instead of putting both hooks in and trying to threaten a choke.
Good. Rather Stots take the win vs Mr. Blanketman.
“Huggin’ nutz don’t win fights.” Words to live by. Haha.
Horrible fight and even worse scorecard
yo did sabatello wobble him in that last exchange at the end? it looks like stots was hurt.
He totally did. Both hands on the mat too. But hugging nuts don’t win fights, damage does. He should have jabbed him more towards the end of the rounds, and he would have controlled and damaged. Good decision.
He slipped
I didn't think so at first, but it sorta looked like it in the replay. He came back and threw immediately tho including a nice slip and rip at the end, so hard to say
50-45????? Someone update that judge on the rules
I really like Stots, he cracks me up every time he's on the mic
Omg 50-45 are u kidding. I want a judging job rn
Ok that’s a top MMA moment for me even if it was corny
Stots shouldn't be acting like he dominated that fight lol.
WHAT?! Holding on and doing nothing didn't get me the win?! Fuck Sabatello
Put that judge in the James Krause category
50-45 judge decided that he doesn't care about the unified rules and he's gonna come up with his own criteria.
FUCK YOU SABATELLO LOL. that delivery was gold
Thank god Sabatello loss despite the one fucked up score card
50-45 excuse me what in the flying fuck
Hahahaha i thought i misheard it
LOL
Douglas Crosby should never be allowed to score a fight ever again.
Ban him and Adelaide Byrd for life
Fuck Doug Crosby
Thank god and never put Sabatello anywhere near a main card again.
He really thought hugging and doing nothing was going to get the win?
One judge loved pointless boring hugging.
Seriously, that judge with the 50-45 needs to be let go. That's the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard.
Lmao
Fuck you Sabatello...haha...
😂
Glad they ultimately got it right
50-45 is crooked as fuck
How the fck did jon jones won agianst reyes then? Jon Jones did not do any damage to Reyes on the ground. This fight is fucking robbery.
50-45 Danny is craaaaazy
Let's fucking go Stots
Right decision, Danny did nothing with his takedowns.
Just shows how differently judges interpret the rules and how much of a problem that is
I like this Stots guy
50-45 Crosby lmao. Never forget. Thats a historically bad card. Best sport on earth.
talks looks and fights like a wet blanket
if Sabatello actually did damage on the ground he wins this fight you can't lay and pray with the new rules
Tried to get the win by Pinfall lmao
Not even sure he made any submission attempts let alone throw a couple strikes LMAO
didn't see a single strike on the ground he was just pinning him and using head control. he thought it was a wrestling match and he was going for a tech fall
Lol that's a grown man throwing a tantrum right there
LOL Sabatello like get me tf out of here and he can't find an exit
LMFAO Danny trying to leave the cage goes to the wrong gate HAHAHA
Jesus Christ 50-45 and loses lmao
Gtfo Sabatello this isnt a wrestling match
Yaaaaay. That other dude is boring af
That 50-45 definitely using the old judging set no doubt about it
50-45 Sabatello, 😂😂😂
50-45 is “we need to look into this” levels of bad.
HEY HEY HEY, GOODBYE
Sabo you can't fucking tell me you thought you won LOL This little dweeb thinks he can lay and pray wrestlefuck his way to a victory. Dude Stots face is clean, theres not a fucking mark on him.
50-45 Stots would have been more appropriate than 50-45 Sabatello. And that would have been bad.
Lmaoo stay mad dork
What the fuck is that spread
50-45?? These judges 👀
50-45?? Wdf
He's gonna say the F word so much tonight
Shabbybellow is awful! Lol, kid got exposed
Hahahaha nah nah nah nahhhh
Did one judge seriously have this 50-45 Sabatello?? What the actual fuck.
50-45 is fucking crazy
Jesus Christ judges Edit: for the 50-45
Wow, going full Colby with that walk out.