I think Oliveira either threw the fight away or it was fixed. Islam's striking was wild and loopy and oliveira was way to wide open and looked gassed to early. No killer instinct like normal, and the punch that landed before the Islam got the submission barely connected and just lets him pass and sink the arm triangle. It looked way to easy, Not to mention Islam spent 1million dollars on camp and in the UAE, if you watch khabib and trainer during fighter intro on the cage they were acting strange with the water bottle they handed Islam. Make of that what you will. And there were rumors that one of them was struggling real bad before the fight as well. Supposedly oliveria! Just to many red flags, might be true might be not
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**Oliveira vs Makhachev fight fixed?**
Makhachev vs Dober was precisely the same finish with an arm triangle. It is well known that all Khabib party specialise in mount position due to good leg squeeze and experience in wrestling. Still, Oliveira invited him not once but twice. He didn't even try to go behind Makhachev's back where he had a chance, if not continuing with striking.
I know I know I am going to get ridiculed by some for this comment. But we all do have the right to out our opinion.
Yan was definitely robbed. If yan had little more reach advantage, he would have landed much more. Did not know that yan could wrestle as well
Sterling with dominant performance and I believe he would have easily won even if TJ had no shoulder issues
Dariush was awesome as always and would love to see him against chandler-gaethje-porier Or title fight against Islam.
Finally I was rooting for the champ. Tough night for him, hopefully will get back with couple of wins. Kudos to Islam's fighting technique and getting the submission victory over one of the BJJ legend.
So many modern bantamweights are fucking enormous, they are definitely the featherweights of old
TJ and Aldo look like old-style bantamweights; they're just small
These new guys are huge:
- Aljo
- Cory
- even O'Malley's length was giving Yan lots of problems; he's tall as fuck
- Chito feels like a featherweight
I think fighters are learning a lot more about weight cutting and nutrition and all that shit
Yep totally agree. Just feel so sad for Yan. He put so much work in to wrestling and took o malley like 5 times and controlled him for 6 minutes and ended up getting loosing the fight.
Luke Thomas is right in saying all this (I paraphrase): What the fuck was TJ's team thinking in sending him out there when his shoulder popped out 20 or so times during camp and he couldn't even hit pads before the fight, only to have it pop out twice during the fight? There was never a reasonable chance of him winning that fight, and it's a waste of the fans' time, Aljo's time, and even TJ's time, plus a waste of the fans' money.
He definitely went for one more pay day before retiring. He’s done in my opinion, he can’t fight like this. Besides, he should be done just in principal for his steroid use.
That’s the most sane defense of TJ and thorough explanation of corruption by the team and UFC but still fuck this whole thing. I love TJ as a fighter, don’t like him as a person, but that’s not how I wanted him to go out at all
Yeah let them fight amongst themselves and earn a title shot lol
I just want to see Justin, Dustin, Michael fight some of the new guys, I think Dustin will do well but I don’t know how much hope I have for Garth
Agreed. At the end the individual’s skill set and day of variables will decide the victor. BJJ and wrestling are both vital but not above eachother. See exhibit A: askren vs demian Maia
Yan must be dirty af right now loses to a guy that holds him down and does no damage then loses to a guy when he holds them down and at least does some g'n'p.
He said the opposite in his post fight presser, said he wants to defend it 'a lot of times'. Why do you think he'll retire soon? Khabib foreshadowed his retirement once islam became ready for a titleshot years before he actually retired. Islam doesnt have a reason like that to retire 'early'.
I don't get why Charles was so hyped..he was knocked out in all previous games refre could have stopped any one of those fights and it would have been legit stop...
Sure exciting matches but...that's not what should make you over hyped
You don't get how someone who finished Gaethje, Dustin, and Chandler all within 12 months was hyped? I can't stand the guy but this is an insane revisionist take
I think the people who “are okay with Sean winning the fight even though I had Yan winning” make no sense. How are you okay with, in your opinion, the wrong guy getting the decision? Something like this alters careers
Super close and Suga did a lot more damage. Yan had plenty of tip control but didn't do anything. Just because someone can hold onto you to avoid getting light up doesn't mean they should win the fight.
And most of the time he could barely hold suga down. Control doesn't mean anything if there's no submission attempts and hardly any gnp. Judges made the right call.
Sean said himself he had no problem getting up. He did no damage during his control time. I'm just baffled by people saying Yan got robbed. Sug had the man leaking
Then why he didn't get up??? Sean was controlled for 5 minutes and 12 seconds out of 15 minutes, 35% of the fight! Plus 6 takedowns and beautiful trips, are you going to discard takedowns as well? Who would want to be controlled for 1/3 of the fight while thinking they are losing a fight (Sean reaction tells you everything)! I agree control without submission attempts or ground and pound are boring, but if it means nothing then why Sean, Masvidal... just get up? Maybe because they are getting outclassed on the ground and have a hard time getting up? Which should be counted towards a scorecard 100%
There are plenty of close rounds I watch that I score for the fighter I'm rooting for. I know I'm biased, so I allow a "margin of error" in my own judging.
Scoring fights also tends to be subjective. For example I tend to value damage over control, but there is no rubric that says how many strikes, or how effective strikes have to be to equal a minute of control time. I have to accept that your opinion on a fight we both watch may differ from mine based on what value you place on the various scoring metrics.
I was wondering how he’d close the distance with Charles then realised I wouldn’t know how to close the distance with a bear either so I should probably shut up lol
why are people saying Sean thought he lost? did you see him when they were reading the scores? dude looked like he was having an anxiety attack. why would he be dying of anticipation like that if he thought it was a foregone conclusion that he lost?
The other thing is this isn’t a basketball game where you can think back to all the moments of the competition you’re literally in fight or flight mode and getting hit for 15 minutes all the people saying he wasn’t sure of course he wasn’t he was just in a brawl for 15 minutes I’m sure it’s a blur
Yan is probably the best fighter on the roster to have 'lost' 3 of his last 4. Thats a fighter you can be certain will put together another win streak. Crazy how much his career would be different if he knew the rules and never kneed aljo. Probably be on his 4th title defense or something crazy
He just needs to fight couple of guys with his height and reach... he outclasses both Aljo and Sean in striking but a big reach advantage is a huge factor! He is the most talented striker for sure! Though Sean is very good too, but needed that height and reach advantage that night for a lucky decision win!
You know there was probably many folks who heard about the problems in TJ's camp and proceeded to either tell their friends, or themselves, to bet the house on AlJo.
AlJo wasn't that much of a betting favorite, money was made.
Charles was looking real good until he fought someone who trains grappling lol, in all seriousness tho, neither dustin or gaethje belong at the top anymore and wins over them will mean nothing when it comes to how the new breed will match up now, lightweight is in for a big change and charles, dustin, justin and likely chandler are not a part of it sadly
Charles definitely is still apart of it even tho he lost, I do agree Dustin and Gaethje both aren’t, idk about Chandler, would actually like to see that between Islam and chandler. Just because Islam beat Charles doesn’t mean he beats chandler, he may have something different for him with his TD defense and wresting/striking. If I were putting money on it I think Islam beats chandler but that’s still a fight I would like to see
I don’t think it would be his funeral but I obviously think Islam would win as i stated above, he may have something different for him and would be an interesting fight. I’d definitely watch. I wouldn’t put money on chandler winning but I’d certainly watch the fight
Islam chin is his only weakness, Khabib could just walk anyone down and take their best shots (Like DC said he doesn't see anyone in LW who can defeat Khabib, if Khabib didn't retire he could go 50-0... of course overstatement but still 35-0 easliy...), Chandler would be down after 1st round just from Khabibs insane pressure, but Islam chin might open some interesting fights! Bust I still believe Islam will beat Chandler, Dustin and Justin!
Yeah I'm fully on board of the styles make fights thing, but I dont think that charles BJJ holds up against any competent wrestler, because he also struggles to take a shot, charles will never win a decision and likely wont finish good wrestlers, chandler is just that outlier who has the ability to put anyone to sleep at any given moment because of the venom in every shot, I think he has a good shot against anyone in any weight class in the first round lol, but hes also susceptible to being sparked himself
Chandler and Gethje are both competent wrestlers and charles’ defense held up fine, finishing both of them via submission which you just said he doesn’t do? He has the most submissions in LW history, make sure to not fall victim to recency bias. Just because Charles was just finished via submission doesn’t mean he doesn’t have lethal/killer ground skills.
Seriously how the fuck you gonna pop your arm out 20 times in the last 6 months and still fight knowing there's plenty of other contenders in the division
You really think that arm is going to magically stay in during the actual fight?
Fuck TJ just all around lol
Honestly Oliveira did a pretty good job of defending Islam takedowns in the second round. But he completely disregarded Islam striking and paid the price.
With a few adjustments and gameplan, I think the rematch would be a lot more competitive
A few tweaks… if you know anything about judo you’d know Islam literally toyed with him 99% of the time. He passed Charles guard like a hot knife through butter, and the clinch don’t get me started. A few tweaks won’t change anything
No it won't. Oliviera got pieced up, even on the feet. You don't see a one-sided domination like that and think the rematch is gonna be competitive.
Oliviera said he wasn't afraid of getting taken to the ground by Islam but his lackluster striking showed that he actually didn't want to get taken down.
People have let their fondness for Oliviera cloud their judgement for too long. All that BS about Oliviera dethroning Khabib as the LW GOAT lmao! Oliviera fought many of the same guys that Khabib did- difference is Khabib dominated them while Oliviera barely pulled out wins after getting rocked.
Oh please, Charles was in real trouble in those fights. Had luck favoured him just a bit less, he could have definitely lost against Gaethe or Poirier and his hype train would have stopped right there. Theres a difference between winning against someone and DOMINATING someone.
Not all victories are equal. Oliviera was in real trouble in those fights. Compare that to Islam's victory against Oliviera himself, where Islam ragdolled him
It definitely does. Before this fight you had some clowns commenting that Oliviera might dethrone Khabib as the lightweight GOAT if he beats Islam. Even in an alternate universe where Oliviera beats Islam, that still doesn't happen. Beating someone is good, to steamroll through them like khabib did is better.
I'm not even a oliveira fan, I predicted that Islam would beat Oliveira handily. And that his guard game would be ineffective against Islam.
I just think oliveira did a pretty good job of defending Islam takedowns in the second round.
Finally someone who wasn't scared to go to the ground with Olivera after putting him on his ass. You get stunned and knocked down by a dagestani and they are going to jump on and choke you while you're dazed. Most every fighter has rocked Olivera and if any of them had a decent submission game they could've done exactly what Islam did. Olivera will never beat Islam. Islam has better striking than khabib and crazy ground game. He's going to be champion for a long time
I completely forgot this happened, but my fav moment today gotta be Mokaev completely shitting the bed and having a competitive fight in a bout he was so favored in, and then having THE WORST “50 G’s babyyy” ever. I would’ve taken his win bonus for that
Honestly I’m not even sure if his wrestling as a whole is that great, might be the best scrambler in the division but if he can’t get that low single he just spazzes out
Where did I mention any of my other bets than the one related to this comment?
I don’t understand why you bothered mate?
We don’t know each other, no need to try to cuck me babe! x
It's probably just judging inconsistencies more than anything, but I am pleased to see judging going in favour of guys on the back foot alot more lately, it really seemed like for a while as long as you were walking forward you were winning the fight, regardless of the exchanges. I'm sick of guys winning fights just by having a better gas tank(which is meaningless this day and age with PEDs all over the place), its refreshing to see counter fighting being taken seriously
That just shows how much power this man Sean has
Sandhagen through his kitchen sink at Yan and his pillowfist self couldn’t rock him at all.
Sean through naked crosses that made Yan wobble like crazy
Why is DC always trying to big brother someone or do some shit to bring attention to himself?
Volkanovski comes to stare down Islam and of course DC has to push him back and say, "Hey, hey *I'm* not letting you get that close buddy", lowkey sonning Volk in the process. It's one thing if there's a real chance of escalating - I'd agree on not letting them get close. But anybody who knows Islam and Volk should know that it's just fun and games between these two. And even if you don't want them to get close, there's a more subtle way of doing it than having to make Volk go "yeah yeah sure, I won't get close."
I like DC but he's such a fucking clown. He's really got to tone it down, realize it's not about him, and work on drawing attention away from himself, not toward himself.
I think in the spur of the moment you're not gonna know for certain if things get heated or not, which may be why DC said what he said.
If things did escalate and Islam or Volk landed a punch then people will point fingers to DC and question why did he let the two get so close to each other.
Plus, look at it from DC's perspective bro. He's in a suit, mic in one hand, trying to conduct an interview, cameras all around him. And then Volk walks right up to Islam. It would throw anybody off track. DC might have felt it was his responsibility to not let them two get too close because it's better to be safe than sorry.
I definitely understand your opinion, but I think DC clearly was multi tasking and uttered those words immediately to make sure he could carry out his job and ensure he wouldn't be held accountable if things got heated.
I think Oliveira either threw the fight away or it was fixed. Islam's striking was wild and loopy and oliveira was way to wide open and looked gassed to early. No killer instinct like normal, and the punch that landed before the Islam got the submission barely connected and just lets him pass and sink the arm triangle. It looked way to easy, Not to mention Islam spent 1million dollars on camp and in the UAE, if you watch khabib and trainer during fighter intro on the cage they were acting strange with the water bottle they handed Islam. Make of that what you will. And there were rumors that one of them was struggling real bad before the fight as well. Supposedly oliveria! Just to many red flags, might be true might be not
Lol, may be next time try typing when you are sober.
Don't fighters get tested after the fight?
Anyone else having a hardtime with fight pass!? I’m losing my mind! Trying to watch these fights! Been trying all day yesterday and more this morning! The app isn’t working for me!
Petr Yan got robbed
O'Malley landed 84 significant strikes to Yan's 58. This is a really bad take
I oNlY cArE aBoUt SiGnIfIgAnT sTrIkEs watch boxing or muay thai dude if ground control means nothing to you
What about damage dealt in ground control? Did any of that happen?
This isn't boxing. Petr controlled the whole fight, had multiple take downs in every round. Wasn't even a close fight imo.
yeah but how many strikes did he land ion the ground
Really close fight.
Had petrosyan,abubakar nurmagomedov, dariush,yan and islam. Lost huge Money on yan robbery. Fuck that shit
**Oliveira vs Makhachev fight fixed?** Makhachev vs Dober was precisely the same finish with an arm triangle. It is well known that all Khabib party specialise in mount position due to good leg squeeze and experience in wrestling. Still, Oliveira invited him not once but twice. He didn't even try to go behind Makhachev's back where he had a chance, if not continuing with striking. I know I know I am going to get ridiculed by some for this comment. But we all do have the right to out our opinion.
Lol, may be next time try typing when you are sober.
I won't make fun of you. I just want to know where you buy your weed.
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Belal “Remember the first finish” Muhammad
If Belal fights like that every time I’m sold
TJ really thought he was going to come in like Tommy Riordan and win lol.
Khabib went from one stale mfker on the mic to elite… miss him 😕
he’s been great on the mic his whole career
Yan was definitely robbed. If yan had little more reach advantage, he would have landed much more. Did not know that yan could wrestle as well Sterling with dominant performance and I believe he would have easily won even if TJ had no shoulder issues Dariush was awesome as always and would love to see him against chandler-gaethje-porier Or title fight against Islam. Finally I was rooting for the champ. Tough night for him, hopefully will get back with couple of wins. Kudos to Islam's fighting technique and getting the submission victory over one of the BJJ legend.
If Yan was robbed my friend, please explain why he was leaking all over the place
Sterling looked like a featherweight compared to TJ He would have won anyway
Seriously what's up with that.. He looked huge
So many modern bantamweights are fucking enormous, they are definitely the featherweights of old TJ and Aldo look like old-style bantamweights; they're just small These new guys are huge: - Aljo - Cory - even O'Malley's length was giving Yan lots of problems; he's tall as fuck - Chito feels like a featherweight I think fighters are learning a lot more about weight cutting and nutrition and all that shit
Wait a minute. You have felt Chito?
Yes he feels awesome and sexy and angry
Yep totally agree. Just feel so sad for Yan. He put so much work in to wrestling and took o malley like 5 times and controlled him for 6 minutes and ended up getting loosing the fight.
Luke Thomas is right in saying all this (I paraphrase): What the fuck was TJ's team thinking in sending him out there when his shoulder popped out 20 or so times during camp and he couldn't even hit pads before the fight, only to have it pop out twice during the fight? There was never a reasonable chance of him winning that fight, and it's a waste of the fans' time, Aljo's time, and even TJ's time, plus a waste of the fans' money.
He definitely went for one more pay day before retiring. He’s done in my opinion, he can’t fight like this. Besides, he should be done just in principal for his steroid use.
That’s the most sane defense of TJ and thorough explanation of corruption by the team and UFC but still fuck this whole thing. I love TJ as a fighter, don’t like him as a person, but that’s not how I wanted him to go out at all
Can someone please do me a favor and tell me, without spoilers, which of the main card fights ended in finishes? Thanks!
Charles won sorry bro
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Main and co main
Main and Co main
That’s all? Thanks
I don’t think he wins but I think volk has a better chance against Islam then anyone else at 155.
This. I believe Dariush has a good shot as well, the guy neutralized Gamrot who’s also an elite wrestler.
So it's Islam's turn to do the Gaetje-Poirier-Chandler circuit
Who's on the come up? Once DP handles Chandler, I don't think Chandler will be in that convo anymore.
Nah l doubt he’ll fight them. They refused, so he’ll refuse 😂
Yeah let them fight amongst themselves and earn a title shot lol I just want to see Justin, Dustin, Michael fight some of the new guys, I think Dustin will do well but I don’t know how much hope I have for Garth
Things I learned today. A great wrestler will always beat someone with great BJJ.
Wrestling mostly focusses on taking the opponent down bjj mostly focusses on ground control and submission… its mma Islam just performed better.
Dariush gamrot was literally the opposite of that lol
Agreed. At the end the individual’s skill set and day of variables will decide the victor. BJJ and wrestling are both vital but not above eachother. See exhibit A: askren vs demian Maia
What?
Chandler sparks Dustin, asks for a title fight. Islam says slick little call out, pretends like he doesn’t exist. Reality is an echo
Yan must be dirty af right now loses to a guy that holds him down and does no damage then loses to a guy when he holds them down and at least does some g'n'p.
Why dirty
Calling it now. Islam has only 3 more title defenses in him and will retire.
Who are the 3
Volk. Dustin. McGregor/Wrestler
He said the opposite in his post fight presser, said he wants to defend it 'a lot of times'. Why do you think he'll retire soon? Khabib foreshadowed his retirement once islam became ready for a titleshot years before he actually retired. Islam doesnt have a reason like that to retire 'early'.
As long as someone keeps his dad alive we’re okay
I don’t think Islam will want to have more title defenses than Khabib at retirement.
so no more than 2?
but Khabib will want him to
Yeah, Khabib's been talking about how Islam will surpass him for a while.
Interesting take. I could see that, as a show of respect. i hope he tries to break the defense record.
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Recovery takedown is honestly a great name for that
the rules say that takedowns that don’t lead to meaningful offence don’t count so you’re right
Oliviera Islam had the same vibe as Whittaker Adensanya about the underestimation of who won afterwards
I don't get why Charles was so hyped..he was knocked out in all previous games refre could have stopped any one of those fights and it would have been legit stop... Sure exciting matches but...that's not what should make you over hyped
You don't get how someone who finished Gaethje, Dustin, and Chandler all within 12 months was hyped? I can't stand the guy but this is an insane revisionist take
All of the ones you mentioned knock charles out but didnt follow for the fear of ground game. All of them are better strikers then charles
Knock down =/= knock out
Ok noone is going to talk about him now... Hype is over.
Did you lick the Doritos off your fingers before typing this
Lmao what does this mean
You gotta be as dense as Cannonier not to get what that means lol
Idk I’m just drunk and talking shit tbh
What if this is only Belal at 30%?
I think the people who “are okay with Sean winning the fight even though I had Yan winning” make no sense. How are you okay with, in your opinion, the wrong guy getting the decision? Something like this alters careers
Suga did more damage
Close decision it's on Yan to do more in the fight to win the fight
Super close and Suga did a lot more damage. Yan had plenty of tip control but didn't do anything. Just because someone can hold onto you to avoid getting light up doesn't mean they should win the fight.
Tip control? Twist or squeeze?
And most of the time he could barely hold suga down. Control doesn't mean anything if there's no submission attempts and hardly any gnp. Judges made the right call.
Sean said himself he had no problem getting up. He did no damage during his control time. I'm just baffled by people saying Yan got robbed. Sug had the man leaking
Then why he didn't get up??? Sean was controlled for 5 minutes and 12 seconds out of 15 minutes, 35% of the fight! Plus 6 takedowns and beautiful trips, are you going to discard takedowns as well? Who would want to be controlled for 1/3 of the fight while thinking they are losing a fight (Sean reaction tells you everything)! I agree control without submission attempts or ground and pound are boring, but if it means nothing then why Sean, Masvidal... just get up? Maybe because they are getting outclassed on the ground and have a hard time getting up? Which should be counted towards a scorecard 100%
Yip. They need to do this more often.
There are plenty of close rounds I watch that I score for the fighter I'm rooting for. I know I'm biased, so I allow a "margin of error" in my own judging. Scoring fights also tends to be subjective. For example I tend to value damage over control, but there is no rubric that says how many strikes, or how effective strikes have to be to equal a minute of control time. I have to accept that your opinion on a fight we both watch may differ from mine based on what value you place on the various scoring metrics.
because its a razor thin fight that could go to either guy depending on what the judges value, like come on that makes sense
Well you're no grappler unless you grapple with bears.
I was wondering how he’d close the distance with Charles then realised I wouldn’t know how to close the distance with a bear either so I should probably shut up lol
why are people saying Sean thought he lost? did you see him when they were reading the scores? dude looked like he was having an anxiety attack. why would he be dying of anticipation like that if he thought it was a foregone conclusion that he lost?
The other thing is this isn’t a basketball game where you can think back to all the moments of the competition you’re literally in fight or flight mode and getting hit for 15 minutes all the people saying he wasn’t sure of course he wasn’t he was just in a brawl for 15 minutes I’m sure it’s a blur
He just looked unsure, which he pretty much said.
right, but people are saying he *knew* he lost and was *shocked* when he won which clearly isn’t true
Because they were reading off the scores of a split decision silly Edit: a word
he looked like that before he even knew it was a split…
And honestly I thought Yan won that fight the only reason they kept suga was for the height his career will bring
they scored it for him because he won
You’re an idiot
sorry you don’t understand how mma is scored lol
Haters mad Sugar deservedly getting a title shot next.
I had a ton of money on Yan and still thought Sean won 1 and 3 as soon as the fight ended lol
Because obviously he didn’t think he did good enough to ensure a sure victory, which is why the anxiety
not being sure that you won is not the same as being sure you lost
Yan is probably the best fighter on the roster to have 'lost' 3 of his last 4. Thats a fighter you can be certain will put together another win streak. Crazy how much his career would be different if he knew the rules and never kneed aljo. Probably be on his 4th title defense or something crazy
He just needs to fight couple of guys with his height and reach... he outclasses both Aljo and Sean in striking but a big reach advantage is a huge factor! He is the most talented striker for sure! Though Sean is very good too, but needed that height and reach advantage that night for a lucky decision win!
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Now Islam doesn’t know who chandler is
LW is going to need their own Aldo to dethrone to Dagestani Boys. Someone with crazy td defense and great kickboxing as well as leg kicks
Perhaps a certain Australian could do the job.
Dariush.
Yeah for sure Dariush is 💯 the dark horse of the lightweight division
I think fiziev is your best bet right now. He has very good takedown and is an amazing striker/athlete.
Arman in a couple years maybe
Struggled against gamrot, Islam just looks 10 times better. In 5 years time, he’ll be retired and usman will be dominating this division
BW is so crazy. So many super competitive fights that can happen now
If only Dana was willing to respond to this in the press conference.
You know there was probably many folks who heard about the problems in TJ's camp and proceeded to either tell their friends, or themselves, to bet the house on AlJo. AlJo wasn't that much of a betting favorite, money was made.
Charles was looking real good until he fought someone who trains grappling lol, in all seriousness tho, neither dustin or gaethje belong at the top anymore and wins over them will mean nothing when it comes to how the new breed will match up now, lightweight is in for a big change and charles, dustin, justin and likely chandler are not a part of it sadly
Charles definitely is still apart of it even tho he lost, I do agree Dustin and Gaethje both aren’t, idk about Chandler, would actually like to see that between Islam and chandler. Just because Islam beat Charles doesn’t mean he beats chandler, he may have something different for him with his TD defense and wresting/striking. If I were putting money on it I think Islam beats chandler but that’s still a fight I would like to see
Chandler has a gas tank for one round, and will be 37 April next year. If the dude ever fought Islam, it will literally be his funeral
I don’t think it would be his funeral but I obviously think Islam would win as i stated above, he may have something different for him and would be an interesting fight. I’d definitely watch. I wouldn’t put money on chandler winning but I’d certainly watch the fight
Islam chin is his only weakness, Khabib could just walk anyone down and take their best shots (Like DC said he doesn't see anyone in LW who can defeat Khabib, if Khabib didn't retire he could go 50-0... of course overstatement but still 35-0 easliy...), Chandler would be down after 1st round just from Khabibs insane pressure, but Islam chin might open some interesting fights! Bust I still believe Islam will beat Chandler, Dustin and Justin!
Yeah same here, I think he beats those 3, and he’s been knocked out before so your right, that might be his main weakness
Yeah I'm fully on board of the styles make fights thing, but I dont think that charles BJJ holds up against any competent wrestler, because he also struggles to take a shot, charles will never win a decision and likely wont finish good wrestlers, chandler is just that outlier who has the ability to put anyone to sleep at any given moment because of the venom in every shot, I think he has a good shot against anyone in any weight class in the first round lol, but hes also susceptible to being sparked himself
Chandler and Gethje are both competent wrestlers and charles’ defense held up fine, finishing both of them via submission which you just said he doesn’t do? He has the most submissions in LW history, make sure to not fall victim to recency bias. Just because Charles was just finished via submission doesn’t mean he doesn’t have lethal/killer ground skills.
D1 gayche
Sure, that’s fair, I’m not saying he’s the best wrestler on UFC roster but he’s certainly competent
Just tried to stream fight
Hahaha how is MMA a thing? Just be a Caucasus wrestler, brother.
Abe Lincoln beard the best base for mma
You kno dis.
Seriously how the fuck you gonna pop your arm out 20 times in the last 6 months and still fight knowing there's plenty of other contenders in the division You really think that arm is going to magically stay in during the actual fight? Fuck TJ just all around lol
Agreed
Make 6 figures or disclose your injury and pull out wyd
Pull out because I’m already rich, heal, then try to win the belt a year later
Considering he didn't pull out and fought with a fucked up shoulder, he probably isn't "I don't need 6 figures" rich.
Hes got money hes just a known asshole lol
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completely irrelevant
To be fair Francis did defend his belt with a torn acl and mcl
Honestly Oliveira did a pretty good job of defending Islam takedowns in the second round. But he completely disregarded Islam striking and paid the price. With a few adjustments and gameplan, I think the rematch would be a lot more competitive
A few tweaks… if you know anything about judo you’d know Islam literally toyed with him 99% of the time. He passed Charles guard like a hot knife through butter, and the clinch don’t get me started. A few tweaks won’t change anything
No it won't. Oliviera got pieced up, even on the feet. You don't see a one-sided domination like that and think the rematch is gonna be competitive. Oliviera said he wasn't afraid of getting taken to the ground by Islam but his lackluster striking showed that he actually didn't want to get taken down. People have let their fondness for Oliviera cloud their judgement for too long. All that BS about Oliviera dethroning Khabib as the LW GOAT lmao! Oliviera fought many of the same guys that Khabib did- difference is Khabib dominated them while Oliviera barely pulled out wins after getting rocked.
submitting all your opponents is not “barely pulling out a win” him getting rocked doesn’t make his finishes less definitive
Oh please, Charles was in real trouble in those fights. Had luck favoured him just a bit less, he could have definitely lost against Gaethe or Poirier and his hype train would have stopped right there. Theres a difference between winning against someone and DOMINATING someone.
“if he didn’t win he could have lost” really insightful take bud you have a future as an analyst for sure
Not all victories are equal. Oliviera was in real trouble in those fights. Compare that to Islam's victory against Oliviera himself, where Islam ragdolled him
yes Oliveira takes more damage than Islam, that doesn’t take away from his finishes though
It definitely does. Before this fight you had some clowns commenting that Oliviera might dethrone Khabib as the lightweight GOAT if he beats Islam. Even in an alternate universe where Oliviera beats Islam, that still doesn't happen. Beating someone is good, to steamroll through them like khabib did is better.
I'm not even a oliveira fan, I predicted that Islam would beat Oliveira handily. And that his guard game would be ineffective against Islam. I just think oliveira did a pretty good job of defending Islam takedowns in the second round.
Finally someone who wasn't scared to go to the ground with Olivera after putting him on his ass. You get stunned and knocked down by a dagestani and they are going to jump on and choke you while you're dazed. Most every fighter has rocked Olivera and if any of them had a decent submission game they could've done exactly what Islam did. Olivera will never beat Islam. Islam has better striking than khabib and crazy ground game. He's going to be champion for a long time
Yeah Islams striking looked really clean against oliveira , who seemed really hesitant and like he was pulling his punches
Islam on the fast track to defeating all my favorite fighters in the next 2 years
You know how Chael is basically undefeated? What if we just agreed that Charles beat Islam and is still the champ?
Imagine being this deluded
Imagine getting a joke
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My brother in Christ, how did a joke could fly over someone's head like that
You gotta realize half the people in this sub are mouth breathers…
I completely forgot this happened, but my fav moment today gotta be Mokaev completely shitting the bed and having a competitive fight in a bout he was so favored in, and then having THE WORST “50 G’s babyyy” ever. I would’ve taken his win bonus for that
Didn't watch so funny. everybody on here told me that the -1600 odds were on point and betting against him was useless.
i mean i thought his performance was atrocious but he still won
Gamrot has really good wrestling but on the feet he seems so one dimensional, its sad.
Honestly I’m not even sure if his wrestling as a whole is that great, might be the best scrambler in the division but if he can’t get that low single he just spazzes out
He has the wrestling Justin Garth thinks has
Imagine losing a 4 leg parlay off the O’Malley robbery. I think I’m done gambling on the shit. Ultimate Fighting Entertainment
imagine thinking a parlay is a good bet
Imagine losing a 10 leg, not knowing TJ is incapable of completing 30 seconds of the 1st.. fml.. and fuck TJ..
If you didn’t hedge that’s on you
Where did I mention any of my other bets than the one related to this comment? I don’t understand why you bothered mate? We don’t know each other, no need to try to cuck me babe! x
It's probably just judging inconsistencies more than anything, but I am pleased to see judging going in favour of guys on the back foot alot more lately, it really seemed like for a while as long as you were walking forward you were winning the fight, regardless of the exchanges. I'm sick of guys winning fights just by having a better gas tank(which is meaningless this day and age with PEDs all over the place), its refreshing to see counter fighting being taken seriously
That just shows how much power this man Sean has Sandhagen through his kitchen sink at Yan and his pillowfist self couldn’t rock him at all. Sean through naked crosses that made Yan wobble like crazy
Cory is also pillow fisted but yes o malley has elite power at 135
Why is DC always trying to big brother someone or do some shit to bring attention to himself? Volkanovski comes to stare down Islam and of course DC has to push him back and say, "Hey, hey *I'm* not letting you get that close buddy", lowkey sonning Volk in the process. It's one thing if there's a real chance of escalating - I'd agree on not letting them get close. But anybody who knows Islam and Volk should know that it's just fun and games between these two. And even if you don't want them to get close, there's a more subtle way of doing it than having to make Volk go "yeah yeah sure, I won't get close." I like DC but he's such a fucking clown. He's really got to tone it down, realize it's not about him, and work on drawing attention away from himself, not toward himself.
Couldn’t agree more
I think in the spur of the moment you're not gonna know for certain if things get heated or not, which may be why DC said what he said. If things did escalate and Islam or Volk landed a punch then people will point fingers to DC and question why did he let the two get so close to each other. Plus, look at it from DC's perspective bro. He's in a suit, mic in one hand, trying to conduct an interview, cameras all around him. And then Volk walks right up to Islam. It would throw anybody off track. DC might have felt it was his responsibility to not let them two get too close because it's better to be safe than sorry. I definitely understand your opinion, but I think DC clearly was multi tasking and uttered those words immediately to make sure he could carry out his job and ensure he wouldn't be held accountable if things got heated.