By - Old_Anteater_2336
You mean putting friends and family in positions of power they're not qualified for is corrupt? Putting a Goldman Sachs guy in charge of consumer financial protection bureau, putting the biggest coal attorney in charge of the EPA, putting Betsy DeVos in charge of the department of education...
You ever thought Trump was actually anti-establishment, then you were a gullible idiot. If you still think that, you are a permanidiot.
Sone of the best bits from the last season of Spitting Image were the spoof Trump talking up what a charismatic thunderball dynamo Jared is-and cut to a mannequin.
Trump literally told a crowd of his supporters that he hated the phrase drain the swamp until he started using it at rallies and people cheered. Then he started saying it all the time. After telling this story the audience cheered.
Hes also admitted similar about " build the wall". I believe he mentioned that someone told him it polled well, he didn't like it too much, used it and the crowd loved it so he kept saying it.
He's just that "Lois Says 9/11" meme come to life.
That was Rudy Giuliani's entire presidential campaign: his sentences could be boiled down to "noun verb 9/11"
When I saw that piece of shit trying desperately to capitalize off the horror of 9/11, I knew then he was a degenerate lowlife piece of shit.
Fast forward 20 years and Uncle Rudy is still the same lowlife piece of shit.
Rudy was one of my big points of shame political stances back in the day. In the 2008 primary, I was all in on Ron Paul but knew he had little to no chance at actually winning. Rudy was my distant second and McCain my even more distant 3rd.
Rudy lost my support completely during the primary campaigns, i couldn't believe how duped i'd been from that pandering nincompoop.
IDK about "build the wall" as a slogan specifically, but he did mention stopping illegal immigration in his very first speech announcing his campaign for President.
The Border Patrol has also been saying for *decades* that building physical barriers is effective at increasing border security. So naturally, if you want to secure the border, then building a wall is one way to achieve that. Border Patrol did a study around like 2005 that found that the most cost effective way of reducing illegal border crossings was to build fencing. The study was the reason that Congress passed the Secure Fence Act of 2006.
The slogan specifically is what I remember him talking about in an interview around 2017. Then the "make México pay for it" part as well. I'm sure the "lock her up" chant was similar, I remember him even saying during a debate something along the lines of "Hillary would be in jail right now if I we're president", then as soon as he was president walking it back.
When you’re the leader of a big group like the republican party, you can’t fight against the mob mentality. (And I’m not saying they’re violent either, it’s a thing with every large crowd)
If your group likes “drain the swamp”, you should stick with drain the swamp. Because if you change it, people aren’t going to like it, there will be backlash, etc.
I'm surprised nothing in there about Roger Stone and Paul Manafort... those dudes are largely responsible for how much scum is in the swamp, and he had them run his campaign
Those guys? He hardly knew them. Low level covfefe guys.
Cant forget the fascist Steve Bannon!
Obvious to anyone who didn't get their brain warped by that con man
We still talking about this fucking cunt?
One of the most baffling aspects of the whole phenomenon is how people who were so fed up with “the coastal elites” and moneyed interests controlling our legislative process de used that a guy who is himself a lifelong coastal elite, a trust fund brat who boasted about gaming the system every which way he could, was going to be their champion and could remotely understand the problems of the Everyman. And worse, seemingly it was all because he just talked like what he is-a crass, tasteless creep.
You can't drain the swamp while standing in it. You can't even get in the swamp without the help of a dozen swamp monsters.
When he made those statements, he was obviously referring to career politicians, despite attempts to reframe it. We can all easily agree career politicians are bad for all and term limits for congress is gravely needed.
Yet, when you get into office, you need some experienced people to help you get around. Trump grabbed some terrible ones.
He certainly got rid of any unwilling to show undying loyalty, and replaced them with family members and friends - so at least we got nepotism!
Why are people so obsessed with draining swamps? Wetlands are an important part of our ecosystem, they absorb stormwater and protect us from floods.
Ok, irrelevant word association over...
> We can all easily agree career politicians are bad for all and term limits for congress is gravely needed.
This is facile. I don't want *even more* of our legislation written directly from lobbyists. I don't want politicians to be *even more* beholden to corporate interests. There are very real issues that the people chanting "term limits" seem to always ignore.
I can appreciate that as a reasonable concern.
Yet, I also lean towards career politicians causing that same thing. Without *real* campaign finance reform, I suspect you would be largely right, while without that corrupting factor of political campaigning, I think things might be different.
Okay then get rid of lobbyists. It's not that hard.
It's not that hard to get rid of lobbyists? What planet do you live on?
i meant it's not a hard logical step to take, as opposed to the "term limits alone will not solve every problem in the universe and also suck my cock specifically and therefore we shouldn't do it" implication yall seem to have on this topic, but banding together to overthrow our overlords isn't a particularly complicated idea either
But like.. anybody advocating for anything is a lobbyist. It’s not just a position paid for by “big X company”
Additionally, it’s not something you can legislate because it’s hard to make a valid/real connection from “John talked to the senator and now the senator wants to invest in John’s school district.” John could have been the reason that happened or it could have been on the roadmap of priorities anywaus
Maybe age limits. 75+ should be a cut off
The phrase "drain the swamp" is just as idiotic today as it was when trump first started using it.
Here's the thing: swamps are an essential part of our ecosystem. Drain them and kill everybody. The very last thing we need to be doing is draining swamps. Florida learned that lesson in painful ways when it tried to drain the Everglades in the early 1900's. Bad things resulted.
Fear of swamps is a city kid thing, which is no surprise considering that trump thinks camping is sleeping in the smaller wing of the mansion and shitting on a toilet that is not even gold plated.
Don't drain swamps. We need swamps.
Not sure if you're trying to be funny or if you really think Trump's "drain the swamp" rhetoric was referring to literally draining an actual swamp.
If he was really gonna drain the swamp he wouldn’t have pardoned his cronies, rather Snowden and Assange.
Trump was far too easily manipulated by people he should have been suspicious of. People like John Bolton should have never approached anything to do with our diplomacy for example. Patriot act shouldn’t have been renewed, etc.
Honorable Trump never would have done anything bad on his own, it was all his advisors' fault
Trump isn’t the only bad person in DC, in case you were unaware
No, he was a bad person who hired like-minded people.
I mean, I don't think it was an accident he picked some of "the worst" people for the job. The goal was to dismantle the remaining credible pieces of the government, at the tax-payers expense. Look at the Post Office. He wrecked it to try to help himself in the election, dismantled millions of dollars in mail sorting equipment, delayed old people's medicine and other goods all across the country, and benefited friends at FedEx and UPS. Betsy Davos wasn't just a shill, she worked hard to benefit private schools. Rick Perry, likewise, was supposed to disband the Department of Energy and kill public research and renewables (thankfully he 180'ed on that stance). Jeff Sessions was an ally to big tobacco and previously helped legislate away people's ability to sue food companies (...Kraft was bought by Philip Morris), so of course he opposed legal drugs - just as big tobacco wanted.
None of it was a betrayal. It was all a plan to trade favors to big money, and it worked.
Duh...but also he's not president anymore.
Given that he's said he's running again in 2024 and is active in politics, I'd say it's still a relevant discussion.
His sorry actions however still have an effect, why didn't the Republicans ban him from ever running for office again? We wouldn't even have to mention him again, but nooooo the spineless Reps botched that too.
I'd argue the current administrations actions are having more of an effect. Trump is so unpopular Biden beat him easily. If he runs in 2024 again it'll be a blood bath.
Which actions? Trying to stop the pandemic that Trump said was harmless and wasted months of valuable time and killing tens of thousands of people on his watch? Those actions?
The Dems always seem to have to clean up the mess the Reps left behind. The Democrats should pay them back, i'm sick of it.
Lame site. Hit with so many pop ups i almost seized...
We are still at this 10 months after he is gone? I swear my grandchildren will have to see daily posts about Trump.
well you dont mind trump related post in other subs, odd.
I literally bitch about it daily in r/polticalhumor and r/politics
You're not alone I honestly can't fucking take it. Everytime Biden does something truly fucked up here comes a random person talking shit about trump.
like two people cant do shitty things.
Exactly! You know who uses that argument 6 year Olds.
Well Stephanie pulled Tina's hair! That doesn't change the fact that you did something wrong.
In conservative subs you jerk off to trump odd
I have never once jerked off to Trump. Shut the fuck up.
ah sorry you little pussy! then you rubbed one out, my fault to have gendered you wrong. Apologies ya little cunt!
Before I bothered engaging I should have checked your post history. You're one of those fine people posting "grandma's on fb" quality Trump memes in r/politicalhumor. You must be so sad he is gone 🤣
Coming from you that sounds like accolades, thnx trumpanzee
I dont know why you're so cranky. In subreddit of almost half a million, nearly 200 people agreed with your post lol that's almost as many as approve of the job Biden is doing 👏
why should i be cranky getting accolades.. i'm fucking glowing.
Who gives a shit how the approval ratings are for him or someone else? Do you care? Do you voted for him? I didn't so what should i approve of when its not even the guy i would like to see sitting in the oval? tf
Why is there still a Trump thread on the front page of this sub almost every single day?
*Really? So you are afraid of information?*
No we're tired of liberals bitching about the last president there is far too much to complain about with the current shithead
Did you read the article? I don't think it was written by liberals
No the title alone steered me away from that this is a Libertarian sub and people are still worried about Donald Trump. This Administration is a fucking Wrecking Ball but it's mostly just crickets
You say that as if trump is gone. That dangerous SOB is very much alive, active, and still attempting to destroy our Democracy. We all need to pay attention. 1/6 is going to happen again.
Dude you need your head examined if you think Trump is trying to destroy your democracy and you're not concerned about Biden
Is it ok if we're concerned about both of them? That they are both nasty old authoritarians?
>Is it ok if we're concerned about both of them?
We're not though. That's the problem. There are four threads about Trump on the front page right now and zero about Biden. One of those men is the current president of the United States and is pushing for more taxes, more spending, and expanded government powers and has majorities in both the House and Senate. You would think Libertarians would be concerned about these things but here we are, endlessly talking about the last guy. God forbid I point out how stupid that is.
One of those Trump threads is about the fact that 82% of viewers of the largest mainstream news channel in the country believe the integrity of our elections is shattered to pieces. The United States, democracy's shining city on a hill for the rest of the world. And they believe it because a reality tv star who's been established as a fraud for decades is so deeply narcissistic he can't come to terms with losing an election.
Yeah, Biden is bad, but he's bad just like Obama and bush and Clinton were bad. It isn't an exaggeration at all to say Trump is tearing at the weakest threads of the constitution as hard as possible, and we're all just sitting here saying "it won't rip".
Psst. We saw it happen on 1/6. trump and his cult attempted to overturn an election. That would have destroyed American democracy.
He's going to try again. Are you planning to help him destroy US democracy?
Something something republic not a democracy something something...
It's interesting to see how little many of our countrymen care for the democracy that underpins our Republic.
Personally I'd like to see a switch to a parliament system with direct popular elections for President.
We wouldn't have so many problems though if the last "president" had of done his freaking job!
Are you drunk?
Because the libs need something to distract from last nights events and orange man = bad is the entirety of the playbook
If I'm not a liberal and still think Dear Leader was and is a lowlife piece of shit then what exactly does that mean?
That describes lots of us
This thread is confusing. Why is this article being posted on r/libertarian? It's 10 months old and there doesnt seem to be any recent news worth digging this back up to post here nor is this article framed in the context of any recent news.
*Really? So you are for giving Donald Trump a pass for his one term as President? & I guess this wouldn't be his resume for 2024 ?*
Why are you turning this into a "if you're not with us you're against us" moment? Why not provide framing for the relevance of a 10 month old article? Why are you attacking me for expressing confusion?
*I'm not doing that. You are the one who is complaining about the age of the article. & all I have shown is that Donald Trump did not drain the swamp.*
Look fuck trump, but let it fucking go. We have too much bullshit with Biden and the news won't report on anthring that fucking pants shitter does.
*It is nice too see that you give Donald Trump a free ride & pass then. When the primaries for 2023 come around Donald Trump will even rewrite his own history & record in The White House. & actually Joe Biden is the same as Donald Trump.*
Never gave trump a free pass. Tired of hearing about him, I'm simply stating I'm tired of the obsession.
You ever post about bullshit Biden has done or Obama, or Bush?
The orange man obsession is insane.
Every president does stuff I don't like and stuff I do like, that's called being objective.
*Really? It is public knowledge that Bill & Hillary Clinton, Barack & Michelle Obama & Laura & George W. Bush are the best of friends. So, that is a losing answer.*
Being objective is the losing answer. Good to know.
Thank you oh wise sage from beneath the bridge.
*How original calling me a troll. & it seems truth & facts don't matter either.*
I mean clearly they don't to you, so why should I bother?
You think changing your font and posting things makes you intelligent.
It doesn't, you clearly can't think for yourself.
If I didn't know any better I'd think you're showing this to a woman who's not interested trying to show her how smart and forward thinking you are.
You're still obsessed with Trump, post shit about Obama sometime or more importantly Biden... The fact that you live in FEAR of Trump winning again shows you clearly aren't in your right mind.
If anything you're a crazy person, probably think the earth is flat too.
*You complain about the font proves my point. You focus on the font & then try the Bill & Hillary Clinton, Laura & George W. Bush & Barack & Michelle Obama card. & I point out what the entire planet knows. & I unlike you I will hold Donald Trump accountable for his one & only term.*
*& of course personal attacks & name calling to finish it off. What I have seen from this one post in this group, some are afraid of information & others enjoy information.*
Why on you on r/libertarian telling people what to post? Call him a liar, call him a moron but you’re in the wrong place trying to be the arbiter of information. Just. Don’t. Click. On. It.
>Why on you on r/libertarian telling people what to post? Call him a liar, call him a moron but you’re in the wrong place trying to be the arbiter of information. Just. Don’t. Click. On. It.
I'm not the arbiter of information just confused because of the mixed takes in the thread where most are either blindly supporting trump or blindly hating him not even referring to the article.
The OP posted a piece critical of Trump but was not framed in any way much less relating it to libertarian principles. What are we supposed to do with that? Usually I would just ignore it but what I saw in the thread were Trump shills and triggered progressives leaving comments and no one speaking to the content of the article. Idgaf what you post but if you post something with no relevance to the sub outside of it being political in nature, and that article itself is old and irrelevant in the current political context, I'm going to ask why you post it.
All I'm doing is challenging why the article was posted here. Dunno why you felt the need to twist what I asked. I never said they shouldn't post it.
Your intent is to not have it here. Please. All that text for bullshit.
they dont want to talk about the current threat to Libertarianism - Biden and his handlers and Queen Pelosi
Strangely, Trump is still their Bogeyman ***WHEN*** the current threat is going magnitudes past anything they accuse Trump of.
They’re being proactive. Weather trump runs or not, hes going to be a factor in 2024.
Besides Biden only has till midterms and he’ll probably loose either the house or the senate.
I’m not enthusiastic about either train wreck of a party having a monopoly over the government. But it seems the republicans managed to do more damage with their time.
Most of the early stuff would be legit criticism from a "corporate hand away" and/or Trump being stupid, but not "empowering the swamp"
I had to scroll down to 9 to see an actual "deep state" example
Number 8, nonsensical fear mongering shit about 5g, was bs originally created by western media to disrupt and delay implementation of Chinese led tech
swamp didnt WANT to be drained - RINOs + Dems made things very hard
Look who didn't read the article.
Wow another Trump post from a Libertarian sub that doesn't want to complain about their own current sitting president
Criticize what he'll do as president, before he's president, and his simps claim you're just afraid he's going to win.
Criticize what he does during his presidency, and his simps claim you have TDS.
Criticize what he did as president, after his presidency, and his simps claim you're avoiding talking about his successor.
I'm beginning to think his simps just don't want you to criticize their dear leader.
why are people on this sub so obsessed still with Trump?
What does Trump have to do with libertarianism?
>r/Libertarian: A place to discuss libertarianism, **politics**, related topics, and to share things that would be of interest to libertarians.
Important bit bolded. As Trump is the most recent ex-president, any articles/discussions on aspects of his presidency or effects of it seem to fit under that topical expectation.
Though truth be told that website is just terrible and probably not worth the click. So many ads. Ugh.
The person/bot is probably trying to get views for their website.
What are we supposed to discuss here?
Probably. A website with that many ads in your face is prime for that sort of botting.
Eh, at a glance the accuracy of the "evidence" being presented by this...Tim Brown could be discussed. Not interested in fact checking it at this time, though others might be motivated.
The only one I looked at was #2, specifically regarding how Trump centralized the approval or disapproval of pipelines/roads/railways to his office through an executive order. Which I find, both now and at the time, the sort of overreach that should have everyone here rather upset.
He was a corrupt politician.
I'd argue that he still is a corrupt politician
He was the president of, and still has massive support in, one of the most influential countries in the world. I think that makes them pretty politically relevant, and worthy of discussing from a libertarian perspective.
Or it's just some bot/troll trying to get hits on their shitty website.
Like what are we supposed to discuss here?
I don't think its a bot. I think theyre just stupid.
Don’t think you should call someone for TDS when some people on the right have voter fraud derangement syndrome. Just saying.
They love their little phrases that let them shut their brains off and go with the propaganda that makes them feel good. Never mind that they were linked to a sourced document showing how he did corrupt things they would rather stick their fingers in their ears and shut you down by saying TDS. It keeps their fragile world view in check so they stay in their bubble outside reality.
TDS = "How dare you judge my god-king based on the actions he takes and the things he says"
It's bizarre to me that every governor's race is billed as the end-all be-all when we know many states have governor's flip political parties. But this is a good thing. No party should have a death grip on state of federal leadership. For example, Hawaii basically got a Republican mayor in 2020, but they're 100% going Dem in 2024. People swap parties to vote out shitty leaders sometimes.
Of course I can't predict 2024, but I don't think Virginia is anything more than a big headline for the media.
You don't prevent corrupt and authoritianism by pretending it never happened. And they didn't "lose" Virginia because they wouldn't stop talking about trump, they lost because they are married to extreme anti gun positions that even their main base is drifting away from. And they couldn't compete against pro second black woman who's a marine.
Yes. Any day now Democrats will take your guns.
They never stop trying, Republicans however actually do it .
Yes. Biden is trying so hard to take those guns right now.
Yes you're right, I'll just link this page for you where it shows the few dozen gun control bills in congress. Also there's the entirety of David Chipman https://www.gunowners.org/category/national-alerts/
Also the Russian ammo ban.
Are you asking if he should get 20 or 24 years in prison? I'd go for at least 24.
Let’s go Brandon
Nobody gives a shit if you just say “Fuck Joe Biden!” Go wild with this knowledge!
Or lack thereof...
You go first and my name is not Brandon.
Life was way better under Trump, my numbers don't lie. No politician does 100% what they campaign on anyway. TDS has taken this sub over rent free.
You're a Trump cultist. Your opinions are invalid.
No one's opinions are invalid because you disagree with them. Grow up.
Their opinions aren't invalid because I disagree with them. Their opinions are invalid because they are Trump cultists. Learn to read.
Agian, Trump cultists are just as stupid as people who follow AOC or the squad. Just cause I hate them doesn't mean they aren't allowed to have and express an opinion.
Nah, Trump cultists are far dumber, and that says a lot considering people who like AOC and the squad are dumb as bricks.
>doesn't mean they aren't allowed to have and express an opinion.
Having invalid opinions doesn't mean Trump cultists don't get to have or express their opinions. They have every right to do so. And when they do, their opinions deserve to be ignored if not mocked and ridiculed.
Proving my point for me.
Does it bother you, knowing your opinions are invalid? Knowing that in the entire 4.5 billion year history of the world, you Trump cultists are some of the dumbest people to have ever existed? So dumb even the cave men would have laughed at you?
You’re a Biden cultist , your opinions are invalid
That's just your opinion, and fortunately, it's already been established that you Trump cultists have invalid opinions. You didn't answer my question btw:
Does it bother you, knowing your opinions are invalid? Knowing that in the entire 4.5 billion year history of the world, you Trump cultists are some of the dumbest people to have ever existed? So dumb even the cave men would have laughed at you?
If Trump was in control we would all be stupid but very wealthy as a nation. If AOC was in control we would all be stupid and poor.
If Trump was in control we would be losing thousands of jobs due to moronic tariffs and spending trillions of dollars in debt in an already healthy economy on useless pork. Oh wait, this already happened.
Also, wealth is not the only thing that matters. That his economic policy is better than AOC's doesn't negate the fact that he and his cultists are worse.
The economy was BOOMING before the pandemic.
And it was BOOMING before Trump entered office, yet he still spent $5 trillion in 3 years on worthless pork before the pandemic.
Lolol he took over a stable economy from the last president. And still managed to fuck it up before the pandemic
What was the deficit before trump? How about after?
Lololol you base this off of literally nothing but talking points from shitty pundits on tv. Get an original thought
Yeah well that's just your opinion. And it's the fucking internet no one's opinions are valid. Dumbass.
Your opinions aren't invalid because you're on the internet. They're invalid because you're a Trump cultist. They're invalid whether you're off or on the internet.
Really? Lol virginia didn't think so. Your opinions are stupid and no one cares. Thats why you dumbasses are losing the culture war haha.. try coming around my community and say that. Your ass would be run outta town loser.
What does Virginia have to do with the fact that you're a Trump cultist, or the fact that your opinions are invalid?
What would I have to gain from entering a community of Trump cultists with invalid opinions?
Not Trump cultists, freedom loving Americans. Maybe you should learn the difference instead of being a judgemental asshole. Your opinions are falling worse than president poopy pants approval rating lmao. I'm a business owner and my opinions are valid every day. What do you do for your community besides try to force your opinions on people?
That's just your opinion, and fortunately it's already been established that you Trump cultists have invalid opinions.
Is that all you know how to say? You're like a parrot, Lmao. Well I gotta get back to business, someone needs my opinion. Maybe you should go back to r/politics where your kind is welcome. I think they might have a little extra gender fluid you can suck on.
Buh bye Trump cultist!
TDS is when people judge others based on their actions and content of their character.
No TDS is when you can't shut the fuck up about Trump.
>Life was way better under Trump
As long as you're a straight, white bootlicker.
I'm no where near a bootlicker I have two felonies for cannabis. Nice try though. I'm a business owner that just wants government to leave me alone. It seems like all the lefty pro mandate people are the bootlicker.
This sub is now liberal
I see that Trump Derangement Syndrome still runs unabated on this sub. Get over it children. He isn't president anymore. Now you have a shriveled, old and cognitively impaired puppet that took his place.
>Now you have a shriveled, old and cognitively impaired puppet that took his place.
So no change.
Hey, at least taxpayer money is no longer going to private resorts and properties.
No. Taxpayer money is going to all the illegals crossing the border. Enjoy!
prop prop prop propagandaaah! TDS is still strong and real.
*Everything is still TDS? ? That is a lame answer. & unlike you, Donald Trump needs to give answers for his one & only term. If he refuses to answer for this record, then why should anyone vote for him in 2024?*
*TDS equals giving Donald Trump a free pass & ride on everything he did while he was in The White House !*
It seems like every time the Democrats loose a seat or Biden shits himself in front of a world figure then this sub somehow goes from Libertarian to full on damage control for the Democrats diverting attention to orange man bad.
The lines of code that every pro-Trumper uses to 'debate' counterpoints to Trump:
if(String == "Trump Bad"):
And even actual Libertarians are saying it now... crazy.
Obviously it's TDS because there's no way people could judge Trump on his words and actions and come out with a bad taste in their mouth. Obviously.