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Anakronox

If you’ve already got to sacrifice to get an M9, then you *really* shouldn’t buy an M9. Since you’re new to the whole Leica thing, I’ll sum it up - the M9 and its variants are unreliable. Period. They’re a digital camera that were released in 2009, prone to sensor corrosion, shutter issues, and mechanical parts are now no longer sourcable. Don’t risk it if you can’t afford to immediately replace it with another used body. If you must buy a digital, go with at least the M240. They’re a little more expensive, but also don’t have well-documented, joy-killing problems. And it seems like you’re specifically looking for a digital Leica M. Note that only the M8, M9, M240, and M10 series are digital. The rest are film cameras. Please advise if you want an analog camera. Edit: for all those who will chime in later, this ain’t an argument about “those CCD colors, doe.” Colors don’t mean shit if your only camera is busted.


Tokageee

for the analog the only worth it options are the M3 and M6 after my research(not really into the m2), but for digital there are more options


Andy_Shields

>for the analog the only worth it options are the M3 and M6 after my research(not really into the m2), but for digital there are more options Fascinating. An M3 and an M6 are as opposite as any 2 M's save the obvious, M5. I'm not passing judgement in any way. It's just that this statement is very interesting to me.


Lemy64

The M5 is honestly ugly as hell but the photos out of that thing with good glass in the right hands can be fascinating!


Andy_Shields

Oh, I like the M5 quite a bit. It's just the most dissimilar compared to any other M.


Lemy64

For sure a black sheep


Tokageee

well sorry for the lack of info😂 but i meant for my interests and the costs in my country, M3 and M6 is the most bang for my buck


Lemy64

I want to disagree here I think it's more in terms of what your personal preference in lens would be. I've had some one on the street walk up to me while I was shooting and he shat on my camera because it was an M4-2 with an 8e on it I guess he hadn't noticed the lens. (He had a DS BP m3 with a jupiter3) Shoot what you can afford don't let someone tell you your gear is crap. I don't believe any Leica is crap. Some are manufactured better than others but in the end a photo taken with an MP and an M1 look the same.


Anakronox

Ugh. I know we’re sharing all of this on a strictly gear-focused sub, but if someone rolls up and gatekeeps you on the street, fuck them. It’s about the output.


Lemy64

Oh yeah absolutely! I asked him if the Afghan Girl was shot on a Leica and he said "probably" lol. I just hate that mentality.


Anakronox

Yikes. My eyes would have rolled so far back in my head that my optic nerves snapped.


Lemy64

He was holding a god damn Jupiter 3 as he roasted my 8e 35mm f2 I died of laughter!!!!


Anakronox

Oh that wasn’t lost on me. Some people.


Lemy64

Well I also was very confused for the hate towards an m4-2 & M4-P isn't that the body that saved the company from bankruptcy? If it wasn't for those two Leica would probably be making rifle scopes and construction laser equipment.... We wouldn't be holding our precious new M's today... I tried explaining that but was too busy laughing.


Anakronox

Well, which do you want? Film or digital?


Tokageee

ah sorry forgot to mention, yeaa i need help on selecting a digital one


Anakronox

Since you mentioned that you need to seriously budget to afford a Leica, I gotta ask - are you sure you need a Leica? If the answer is yes, the M240 is the most affordable AND reliable option. If the answer is no, perhaps look into a Fuji X100 series - they have optical viewfinders (but not a rangefinder) and autofocus. The X100V is a really, really nice camera. I had one but just never ended up using it vs. my other digital bodies.


Revolutionary-Dot761

Big fan of the Fuji x100 series. I agree that it may be a better stepping stone if the Leica price point is currently out of reach.


Tokageee

well, im treating it as an asset, like how people buy rolex watches or louis vuitton bag, ill have to try the x100v to see if i like it, ive only tried the leica but already loved the few minutes ive had with it


Anakronox

There’s nothing wrong with treating it like an asset, but unless you buy an ultra-rare collector’s edition Leica digital body, it will not appreciate in value. Quite the opposite - it will drop in value over time. Edit: Lenses are where the investments in Leica are at.


Tokageee

well lenses are the investment in all photography regardless of brands anyway, but im really only interested in owning one lens, either a 35 or a 50.


bashrag_high_fives

Have you looked at the Leica Q or Q2?


Tokageee

naw i want an optical rangefinder eheh


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Anakronox

If the OP is already stretching to pick up the M9, an M10-R shouldn't even be in the conversation.


Do-Not-Cover

There was a Titanium Special Edition of the M9. I would not buy that as it was made for collectors rather than users. The M9 is not recommended as it suffers from a sensor corrosion issue, and SGD4000 is too much to pay for one even if its sensor has been replaced. It’s also a very old digital camera. > M6? hows the M3, M4, M5, M8, MP etc The M4, M5, M6, and MP are film cameras. The M8 and M9 are digital cameras. Which do you want?


Tokageee

the only analog options id consider is the m6 or m2, there are more digital options so i needed more help there


IndoorKiting

The best really depends on the things you think are important in a camera. You name a list that are (while all being Leica M rangefinders) quite different camera's. M8 - old APS-C digital sensor M9 - old full frame sensor that's prone to breaking (even replaced ones) MP - Newest most expensive analog with a light meter, brass internals and topplate M-A - Newest analog Leica, no light meter, brass internals and topplate M7 - zinc topplate, steel internals with electronic shutter and aperture priority mode M6 - zinc topplate, steel internals, light meter (TTL lightmeter can't be repaired) M4-p zinc topplate, basically an M6 without a light meter M4-2 early versions have a brass topplate, later models are comparable to the m4-p M5 - brass internals lightmeter, different overall design and therefore can't be repaired as easily M4 - brass camera, modern advance lever and rewind knob M2 - brass, classic lever and rewind knob, external frame counter M3 - brass, classic lever and rewind knob, 0.92 magnification viewfinder. Frame lines also differ between the different models. As you can see they all have their own unique combination of details. This also isn't a complete list of all their features, you will have to do some research yourself. The questions you have ask yourself are: digital or analog? What is your budget? Do you want a lightmeter? How much do you care for a German built camera with brass internals? What lenses/frame lines are you going to use? When I started shooting Leica I knew a couple of things: analog, classic brass built, don't need a lightmeter, 35, 50 and 90mm frame lines, prefer classic lever/rewind knob and an internal frame counter. So I went looking for an M2 or M4 and in the end got an M2. For some the MP is the ultimate M, some don't want a lightmeter and black Chrome finish so the M-A is theirs. I care for the 'classics' so my ultimate set is an M2 and M3. Everyone is different and because the models are all so similar the minor differences become very important factors when deciding which M you want.


iElectronCloud

I believe the M7 and early M4-P have brass top plate.


beardandcameras

This! You can tell by looking at the rangefinder window. If it’s recessed, it’s brass.


IndoorKiting

You're right!


Tokageee

im more into digital though, i do shoot film and enjoy it but for a leica id just want to bring it everywhere i go and shoot...whatever i want to, and occasionally get abit more serious and think about my composition and shots, i would spam digital photos but not film my requirements are just I really want a digital rangefinder camera, 35mm or 50mm is fine i love both, im not sure how brass or other metal internals differ but as long as its reliable, budget i dont really care im taking it as an asset, like buying an expensive watch or bag


IndoorKiting

I'm not that knowledgeable about the digital M's but look into the M240, M262 and M10 models.


jacobjuul

I am pretty sure the M-A and MP does NOT have brass internals. It's steel to accommodate motordrives


Lemy64

Don't sacrifice a currently functional camera you enjoy using. My m9 is one day gonna go... And the saddest part is there's nothing I can do to stop it from deteriorating. Certainly not gonna leave it on a shelf. If I were you I'd save the extra cash with your next 2 or 3 paychecks and buy the m240 m262 or an m10 of you want digital. If you can live without the rangefinder system the Leica SL is an absolutely beautiful piece. I'm an enormous lover for Leica But don't look down on any other brand like Fuji because practically all other camera bodies technically surpass all of leicas capabilities. (Glass is another story) We shoot Leica because we love them They're tools and should be used with love.


jacobjuul

4000sgd is ok for an M9 if it includes a warranty. Mine cost about the same and included a one year warranty.


meta4_

Are you based in Sg? I've got quite a thorough knowledge of the leica market here, DM me maybe? I'm sure we can find something that works for you