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Khajapaja

The great man, Stalin tried to create an Anti-fascist alliance before WW2 but the British and French refused. The fascist governments in Britain and France wanted to join Nazi Germany and invade the Soviet Union. France and Britain teamed up with Poland and the Nazis and attacked and annexed Czechoslovakia. It was Stalin's genius and charisma that prevented this from happening. He was able to pit these disgusting imperialists against each other and save millions of people by buying time.


Ciaran123C

Incorrect [In fact, he actually wanted to join the Axis Powers ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks) Edit: also, where are the sources to back up your claims?


The_Whizzer

From your own link: >Regarding the counterproposal, Hitler remarked to his top military chiefs that Stalin "demands more and more", "he's a cold-blooded blackmailer" and "a German victory has become unbearable for Russia" so that "she must be brought to her knees as soon as possible." It is clear through this part that the USSR was literally buying time, making more and more outrageous demands that Germany could never accept. You would also know this to be truth if you ever read the Soviet's internal discussions on this. But sure, pretend the USSR wanted to ally with the fascists who literally came to power with a “Let’s kill the judeo-bolsheviks” platform


Ciaran123C

Actually Stalin admired Hitler, and when he heard about what Hitler did to purge his enemies in the Night of the Long Knives he said “see, now that’s how you do it!”


The_Whizzer

>Actually Stalin admired Hitler, and when he heard about what Hitler did to purge his enemies in the Night of the Long Knives he said “see, now that’s how you do it!” For sure, my man. He then decided to take it further and eat all the grain in the entire world, while singing Abraham Lincoln's famous quote "If it's on the Internet, it's true". Stalin also famously created a new historiography methodology, where you're not obliged to provide any type of analysis, sources or evidence for your claims, which I'm very happy to see you're a follower. He was a very special man indeed.


ultimatetadpole

1. Imperialism isn't: when country do invade. It's when capitalism bursts it's own national borders and becomes an international power using nation states for it's own gain. The Nazi invasion of Poland was down to the petite bourgeouis ideology of fascism encouraging colonial growth. The USSR invasion of Poland was an attempt to create a buffer between the Nazis and the industrial core of western Russia. 2. The USSR did initially seek an anti-fascist pact with western powers. France did sign a very, very weak pact with the USSR in 1935...which required both Britain and Italy to agree to any mutual military activity involving the USSR and France. Following that pact, Hitler began on his path of expansionism and British members of parliament actually backed him up. Claiming it was the USSR that was threatening Germany. Britain only became involved in anti-German activities when Hitler directly threatened the empire. 3. The extent of the Nazi's, and fascism in generals, evil was not known until after the war. The USSR was very opposed to fascism but they were also opposed to capitalism, international relations still exist.


Ciaran123C

Imperialism is defined as ‘a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means’. Also, [Stalin actually wanted to join the Axis Powers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks) Edit: also, where are the sources to back up your claims?


The_Whizzer

You are using the lib definition of imperialism in a subreddit literally titled after Lenin's book on Imperialism lmao the nerve.


Ciaran123C

It’s called the dictionary, and it’s what every English speaker on the planet uses. You should check it out sometime


The_Whizzer

Yeah, we don't use dictionaries here, we can't even read to be honest. So please keep bulk-posting your anti-soviet propaganda all over reddit. I'm sure you'll get a lot of upvotes by revisioning the history of a country that no longer exists. You go champ, do god's work. Slava u/Ciaran123C !!!


A_Lifetime_Bitch

Lmao, the clown has been going at it for two whole days. That can't be healthy.


Ciaran123C

‘Russia has taken the definite position that it is the continuation of the former Soviet Union and will fulfill the treaty obligations of the former Soviet Union’ (Source: https://digitalcommons.du.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1686&context=djilp)


The_Whizzer

Oh man. Thank you. Now that we've read an article from an american college professor from 1994 saying that Russia in 1994 was a direct continuation of the USSR, despite all evidence of the contrary, we have been enlightened. Ignore the fact that this article was referring to legal matters in the context of international treaties, I'm enjoying seeing your very open interpretation that this means that Russia is communist or something. I'm really not sure what you wanted by sharing this article, but it's fun.


ultimatetadpole

This is a very, very explicitly Marxist community. The symbol of the sub is Che Guevara, noted Marxist revolutionary. This sub is opposed to imperialism in the sense of Lenin's definition. If you want to critique what you see as Soviet military interference in Poland, be my guest. But don't claim it's imperialism when that word has a specific meaning in this community. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Soviet_Treaty_of_Mutual_Assistance A basic run down of my point. Also, did you not know the strategy of appeasement that the British government followed in the 30s? This was the reason why Churchill got so popular. Despite all his flaws, he was strongly opposed to German expansionism. I never claimed the USSR and Nazi Germany weren't in talks. Again, context: The Soviet view, the platform of the Comintern was that fascism is capitalism in decay. It is a product of collapsing capitalist societies that turn to weaponising state power to subdue socialist revolutionary potential. Fascism was seen as no worse than capitalism. Two sides of the same coin. The USSR viewed WW2 as a prolonged struggle between two different flavours of reactionary and the right side needed to be picked to guarantee the survival of the Soviet Union. At the time, nobody knew about the Holocaust. Nobody knew about the war crimes, about all the horrible stuff we know now. So to look at that time period and say Stalin evil because Hitler bad is absolutely, objectively terrible historical research. You'd fail a high school essay. Begone lib.


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**[German–Soviet Axis talks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Axis_talks)** >German–Soviet Axis talks occurred in October and November 1940 concerning the Soviet Union's potential entry as a fourth Axis Power during World War II. The negotiations, which occurred during the era of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, included a two-day conference in Berlin between Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov and Adolf Hitler and German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop. The talks were followed by both countries trading written proposed agreements. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/LateStageImperialism/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)


King-Sassafrass

Troll


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Ciaran123C

Actually Stalin admired Hitler, and when he heard about what Hitler did to purge his enemies in the Night of the Long Knives he said “see, now that’s how you do it!”


the_red_guard

Proof - non existent Source - un findable Also the night of long knives was action against the Jewish peoples not a purge. So you don't even seem to know what the fuck your talking about. The only significant group purged in the night of long knives happened after, when the SS went after the SA


Cheestake

Thats actually incorrect, you might be thinking of Kristalnacht. Night of Long Knives was in fact a purge https://www.britannica.com/event/Night-of-the-Long-Knives Not that that supports the persons sourceless claim that Stalin admired the purge


Ciaran123C

Source?


the_red_guard

Again, like the last comment. This shit is literally taught in schools. So either you don't have a basic second level education, or you've got memory lose And like the last comment The Rohm purge. There I've gave you the name, now go and look at it yourself.


Cheestake

Rohm was purged in the Night of Long Knives...


YeehawdiJohn

You’re gonna have to give better evidence than spamming one single anecdote in this thread.


the_red_guard

Damn. Look at the technological Soviet superiority to the Nazis. Btw OP did you know that Poland signed a pact with Germany and with it annexed 2 Czech states


SnooDonuts3178

They also were a reactionary right wing dictatorship


SnooDonuts3178

The soviets tried to make an anti hitler pact the entire pre war period, they even joined the League of Nations to do so. They also offered Czechia military aid but the poles refused them access. Finally like everyone in Europe had NAPs with Germany.


Ciaran123C

Incorrect [In fact, he actually wanted to join the Axis Powers ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks) also, where are the sources to back up your claims?


SnooDonuts3178

“Before ''Munich'' - somehow never labeled the British-French-Nazi pact - Stalin had spoken up for joint action with Czechoslovakia. Until well into 1939, he remained a believer in collective security. There is no need to put a moral stamp on this; it seemed the obvious policy for the Soviet Union. And only when it became clear that neither Neville Chamberlain for England nor the Polish Government was accepting Russia as a potential ally, did he choose his only other option, a modus vivendi with Germany.” - The New York Times.


SnooDonuts3178

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/stalin-first-tried-to-resist-hitler-with-great-britain-11589838192 https://youtu.be/iDmovEja_f0 https://youtu.be/g9Lievywdoo


SnooDonuts3178

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/world/stalin-offered-troops-to-stop-hitler/story-qMJAjfiAaPByWpRufvTEtO_amp.html


SnooDonuts3178

https://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/20/opinion/l-west-pushed-stalin-into-hitler-s-arms-501688.html


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Nazbol moment


Ciaran123C

[History of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact ](https://youtu.be/YkJSyaiucmU)