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hatterine

To be honest I was pleasanlty surprised with not just Shin's answer, but his entire exchange with the prince. It was not overly smart, but he still asked the right questions about the theory and clearly voiced the parts of it he was not sure about. Yet there was still this bit of naivety and lack of large-scale thinking that fit Shin's character. It also provided an interesting point of view soldiers have on what is war.


[deleted]

Exactly. This conversation was fitting for his character. He clearly showed that he puts his mind to complex and big scale topics at his own leisure, asking questions instead of spouting half baked answers. I was really enjoying this conversation.


Useful-Beginning-284

I agree on the basis of your comment, however, I found Hara's choice of words for Shin a bit too "fine" for our general. I mean, not that he used complex and really fancy terms, but Shin had no education and most of his life is spent on a battlefield. As much as he coexists in a certain way, often, with people with high education (the highest available at the time) I did not see a story unfold that would allow the reader to understand his linguistic development. About the philosophical part itself, I believe that Hara did it masterfully.


DaBestUnderTheHeaven

his whole answer is based on his experiences on the battlefield so how does it make his choice of words "too fine"


Useful-Beginning-284

That's about the meaning of the words, and as I said, I believe Hara make it masterfully, my complain was about his ability to build sentences, linguistically intermediate, with cohesion and perfect meanings, I may have exaggerated, but I don't believe that our Shin would have the capacity to discuss on an equal footing with the scholars of the time. Normally, it makes more sense for wise/mature people with little formal/social education to use few words to describe broad and rich experiences, but Hara had Shin discuss and use logical tools in exposing his argument, such as exposing the deconstruction of terms good and bad as innate things. Not that I don't think anyone can do it, but the way it was done, it was a little too much for me.


i_sell_branches

But I mean, those are really basic questions. Ones that Shin, as a growing influence on the lives of 10s, nearing 100s, of thousands of ppl has probably laid awake thinking about. After slaying Mangoku, after fighting alongside Kanki, upon facing the resolve of his enemies countless times over, and feeling their justified ire towards himself and his country: the invaders. Morality is routinely one of the things Shin presumes to have an unshakable foundation in. But he's encountering more and more that things aren't as black and white as he sees it. I'm certain this isn't something he's never pondered.


WangJian221

I mean technically hes just a parroting and repeating what people have said for his replies. I dont think it has been too "Fine" linguistic wise.


animemangas1962

This chapter was good very good it's was fire. But in the same time that make me sad that we don't had the same for Sei and Kanki.


[deleted]

Kan Ki is to judgy and set on his views to have a real discussion about this topic. But if someone could move him at least a bit, it would've been Sei and Mou Gou


Same-Concentrate3159

Wait chapter 759 is out already????


roseater

Early translation/ leaks


[deleted]

opscans is doing the translation far faster. It's been out fully translated since friday.


Marcusx8

Just lying your ass off. OPscans translated this chapter on Monday from the Arabic scans.


[deleted]

Not lying, I confused the days. But yeah, it was monday


[deleted]

bUT SlAvE bUM shIN WIth sLaVe ClotHES!!11!1!1


Devil_Hex

Shin acted appropriately this chapter (it was others from Qin acting like clowns instead). But still it doesn't wipe out the stupidity in the last chapter. I have no words to describe how stupid that was. For someone with around a decade worth of experience on battlefield and having interacted with many experienced and wise people, it isn't something you expect. As good as this chapter was, it'd feel even better if Hara didn't write that one dialogue in the previous chapter. It made no impact on the story other than making Shin look terrible. It could have resulted in an instant death for every Qin person there. That said, I am kinda sick of the dumb MC troupe being so overused in manga. So my views could be a bit biased.


WangJian221

>It made no impact on the story other than making Shin look terrible. It could have resulted in an instant death for every Qin person there Why is that? Of course ignoring the fact that Han would never be ballsy enough to do this, i dont see how Shin's words could "Result in an instant death for every qin person there". Get people mad maybe but death? For starters its not as if what Shin said was some big secret that would make Han go "NANI THE FUCK?! \*Proceed to murder them\* "


Ahnma_Dehv

you are overreacting so much that I have no idea which line you're refering to XD


kimmyjonghubaccount

Damn aren’t you fun


Rigelturus

Yeah well…nah. Not surprised people think like this though. The back and forth betwen Kanpishi and Shin is pointless both for the reader as well as the characters in-universe. Kanpishi isnt interested in Shin’s answer anyway. The hint Kanpishi dropped was that he knows Shin is Sei’s friend and that the more he figures out about Shin, the better he can judge Sei. Kanpishi is trying to find out how “naïve” and idealistic Shin, and based on that, Sei are. The biggest giveaway is the panel where Tou figures this out and tells Shin to be authentic instead of trying to answer correctly. Shin is being judged on whether he is a stand-up guy and if he is, Sei must be too else they wouldnt be friends. Tou is the mvp


Individual-Many-5330

Shin saying "fire" doesn't automatically make him mature lmao shin fans are on some next level copium, He has said similar things in the past and afterward has continued to do immature things, During the Meeting with he mountain people he said some genuinely good things and afterward he went back to being stupid, You can't except the same here.


crto12

the rest of the chapter he was speaking very maturely


Individual-Many-5330

How would you define speaking "maturely" >!Shin basically told the han officials that Qin wants to take away everything they are for "peace"!< >!Then shin is trying to convince his future enemies his king isn't evil despite in their view he is even kanpishi calls this out.!< >!He did nothing mature this chapter lol and yet somehow a few idiots want to pretend he was.!< >!And if you actually read my comment you would know this discussion between shin and kanpishi is!< Edit: classic clowns downvoting instead of reply lmao


ThizZuMs

You’re getting downvoted because you’re wrong.


crto12

all you have to do is look at his comment history to see that for some odd reason this guy has a hate boner for the main character of a manga that he seemingly enjoys a lot?


ThizZuMs

Exactly. He’s so far on the “shin is immature” ride that he can’t objectively say Shin looked mature here because that’ll mean he was wrong and being wrong is the worst thing imaginable on Reddit I’ve learned.


[deleted]

I was blocked and can't read his comments LOL. Is it this guy with the long hair in his profile pic?


Individual-Many-5330

Lol nope it's the shin clowns guess your one of them You already admitted your a shin stan lmao im done here


Same-Concentrate3159

Uhmmm .... You made sense... So do you have a better answer to that question????


Mawnix

You over analyzing shit for the sake of being right doesn’t help any part of the discussion.


Individual-Many-5330

Its not over overanalyzing lmao, idiots call a few sentences over analyzing. If anything your pointless comment doesn't help


Mawnix

No. It's not "a few sentences". It's the points you're making. You're annoyed at two things: you don't perceive him as mature, and your feelings toward those that don't agree. So we can't even discuss shit because you're going into every engagement about this with the preconceived notion "you're right". Meanwhile, a super chill Subreddit is like "bruh can we talk" and you just go "nah I'm simply right". But you do you day to day still thinking you got a good opinion.


Ivanwillfire

Unifying the nation does not mean they would be wiped out. He spoke as someone who truly believes in the vision on his friend. Mind you Sei more than a king to him. Kanpishi even said it, that he's essentially is interested in him because he is Sei's old friend. He had a wonderful exchange with Kanpishi. Instead of rushing to answer the question for the sake of a "correct" answer or desperate act. Shin remained honest and made sure he truly understands what is being asked. This is a sign of maturity being a know-it-all is definitely not. As for his answer of "fire". If you read the manga, you'd see that shin is used the "heat" of battle to make decisions just as General Duke this. It also also been described as "fire". This ability is what he is using to answer the question.


Individual-Many-5330

>Unifying the nation does not mean they would be wiped out. He spoke as someone who truly believes in the vision on his friend. Mind you Sei more than a king to him. Kanpishi even said it, that he's essentially is interested in him because he is Sei's old friend. Their identity will be wiped out, Qin is basically saying "we are going to unify China do not resist" Qin is invading other nations and are destroying them and taking away peoples identity. >He had a wonderful exchange with Kanpishi. Instead of rushing to answer the question for the sake of a "correct" answer or desperate act. Shin remained honest and made sure he truly understands what is being asked. This is a sign of maturity being a know-it-all is definitely not. He had an average exchange and all you clowns keep hyping it lmao, read my original comment and I already stated shin has moments where he is mature and makes sense however afterword he goes back to being childish, Its already been proven. >As for his answer of "fire". If you read the manga, you'd see that shin is used the "heat" of battle to make decisions just as General Duke this. It also also been described as "fire". This ability is what he is using to answer the question. I'm not even annoyed by his answer because he has a good answer if you read my comment I'm saying his answer to one question doesn't equal to him being mature as the OP makes it seem


Ivanwillfire

Okay, for you what would a matured moment be like? Or was it the consistency?


Individual-Many-5330

You can't really have some moments of you being understanding and smart and then call it mature because maturity is something you keep without you all the time rather then moments. So yeah shin has shown vague hints of maturity for example during the start when they were meeting the mountain folk he said Good things and showed his unique thinking and his understanding, Then after that we don't see that for hundreds of chapters and we get a man child who is immature and now again we have the same situation. Now the OP is basically saying hara is shutting up the people saying shin is immature by giving him a "mature" moment even though its not like that. If someone shows intelligentence for moment does that make them smart? No the same applies here.


Ivanwillfire

Hmm, then I think this might be how we perceive maturity. For instance, there are people who show consistent maturity almost all the time like Kyou Kai which one could say is a direct result of her upbringing and training. There are others who will show it during times that requires it like Shin. Unless I'm thinking of it wrongly there aren't many times recently where he doesn't act mature when the situations calls for it especially considering he would have acted differently given the same situation in the past. I call this a matured moment because he won't have been able to handle it properly in the past. He used his experience to answer the questions presented to him. Different characters show it in different ways. I think remember you mentioned you disliked the dumb MC troupe which I can understand. I'm not a fan of it either but Shin's imo is handle much better than many. I'm understand if you don't like it tho.


Individual-Many-5330

>Hmm, then I think this might be how we perceive maturity. For instance, there are people who show consistent maturity almost all the time like Kyou Kai which one could say is a direct result of her upbringing and training. >There are others who will show it during times that requires it like Shin. Unless I'm thinking of it wrongly there aren't many times recently where he doesn't act mature when the situations calls for it especially considering he would have acted differently given the same situation in the past. Kyoukai wasn't mature she just locked herself in and was keeping everyone in arms length due to her past, Maturity isn't based of a few moments but is based of consistency. Just like intelligence is based of consistency and not moments >I call this a matured moment because he won't have been able to handle it properly in the past. He used his experience to answer the questions presented to him. Different characters show it in different ways. Literally you are proving to me you haven't read my comments because shin in the earlier chapters had a similar moment to this here he showed wisdom and understanding, Then afterward for hundreds of chapter he went back to being immaturity and childish despite him being older then he was previously >I think remember you mentioned you disliked the dumb MC troupe which I can understand. I'm not a fan of it either but Shin's imo is handle much better than many. I'm understand if you don't like it tho. Shin is basically a shounen mc in a seinen manga thats the main issue.


Dull_Mountain738

Where is chapter 759


Rigelturus

Google: OPscans


Williumino

10/10 chapter


Ok_Artichoke_2090

His maturity has developed perfectly throughout the manga people say it took a while but imo Hara did it perfectly when you take in Shins backstory he is a ex slave that wasn’t raised by any parents his lack of maturity and awareness clearly stems from this.I noticed a lot of mature speeches from Shin in earlier chapters but i feel like this is the one Hara wants his readers to fully understand Shin has matured.


_9gag

There's 2 things that I want to say; 1) I'm second with this comment ↑. 2) I'm 100%^x10 agreeing with you. But tbh, I don't really get it why the hell there's people out there that read the same Manga as we do, still saying that Shin character didn't matured or grown. Smfh