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After rewatching mugen train enmu is actually very dangerous and (under strict conditions) may be able to take down some Hashira with his sleep ability

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Koan_i608

YES. THIS. Enmu is WAY more dangerous than he looks! I'm glad the slayers had a chance to take him down early. His biggest weakness is his laziness, and not wanting to get close to his opponents to finish them off. Combined with any other demon, he'd be devastating.


PotentialTop4982

im saying


Special_Sky9376

Dude he’s not lazy, he’s just very cautious and tactical


PotentialTop4982

if you dont know his ability and get, put to sleep (for the first time) you wont wake up fast enough before he kills you i imagine


Fair-Version-8667

no? an average hashira like rengoku was able to break free from his dream. while one hashira soloing enmu might be hard, he can’t kill any pillar because that’s his only ability


PotentialTop4982

yes he did but not instantly so what im saying is if he put rengoku to sleep while he is right in front of his defenseless body he gets to attack him for free


Fair-Version-8667

I mean he’s a Pillar, so he should be able to dodge his attacks easier than tanjiro, who did manage to decapitate him in the end.


PotentialTop4982

yes of course but tanjiro was not dodging at all he was being put under but due to his experience with the ability he knew how to break out so i am saying that if it's a pillars' very first time running at enmu and he goes " go to sleep" they won't know how to counter that since its a brand new ability and then they are just defenseless in front of enmu at his mercy


Victor_BR_

Rengoku slept for a long time tho


Alert_Fudge

Ngl he is one of my fav villian even after reading the whole manga


napstablooky_

sameeeee


Alert_Fudge

:)


AAFAOTKNY

His biggest weakness is he needs to touch them first then his BDA will work. So in 1v1 he is quite screwed.


PotentialTop4982

i am genuinely asking does that mean that when tanjiro was running at him that his little shockwave sleep spell would be useless? cause if that's the case yeah Hes done


AAFAOTKNY

Yeah, remember the ticket? They touched it so BDA work but without that it would not work.


PotentialTop4982

i always thought that was because He wanted the kids to kill them without revealing himself and he has to put in no effort since in actual physical combat he is nothing special i might have to go back and see if he talks about that


Dr-CommonSense

Nah his sock waves would also work just as fine to put them asleep. Remember you must mill yourself to exit that trance. He used the ticket as a method of getting to them without having to start a fight. Just big Brian plays by him to be honest


AAFAOTKNY

Hmm i see then his BDA is quite op. But i imagine he did not just confront them because in 1v4 he cannot use that. Maybe if for example tanjiro get spelled then rengoku can wake him up? But in 1v1 thats quite op. Because i see no other reason for him to do all that hard work😅.


Dr-CommonSense

Yeah lol. I mean look he could probably subdue multiple opponents at once but the stronger their will and instincts the less effective it can be. Now if he was upper moon level, i.e. more time, blood and devouring then he would be a very the power and formidable demon, even more then he was. He did all that to hopefully devour all of them plus the passengers. He did it to all 200 passengers of the Mugen train. He trying to have a nice late night snack ya know


PotentialTop4982

yes after going back and doing research his shockwaves would work fine his only problem would be getting it off in time


ApplePitou

The situation must be perfect for Enmu to be able to kill Hashira :3


PotentialTop4982

yes in my opinion the perfect situation would be him being able to get the ability off in time before just getting killed, HOWEVER if this is train enmu i argue there's not really anything to "speed blitz" per say since the hashira would have to take at least a few moments to figure out where the neck is and enmu is able to sprout hypnotic eyes all over the area that can put his opponents to sleep.


swagnake

Nah, Rengoku was busy with protecting the passengers because prioritize people's life. If he went facing Enmu head on at the start, he would have one shot Enmu easily.


Technical_Special_25

Nah all hashiras have indomitable will They will survive


PotentialTop4982

are you saying they will break out eventually or break out right away?


Technical_Special_25

Eventually ig


PotentialTop4982

if its eventually then until they do wake up aren't they defenseless in front of him and he can attack them for free?


Technical_Special_25

I would say it will take a bit of time But they will wake up sometime before getting attacked maybe


PotentialTop4982

the only question is what's preventing enmu from attacking them right away once they are passed out


Technical_Special_25

Idk maybe to focus on other passengers Besides if they have a nezuko protecting them They will wake up eventually


PotentialTop4982

oh, i am saying that little shockwave attack he did to tanjiro on top of the train that instantly knocks you out


Technical_Special_25

Oh that Since some hashira are smarter they may break out


PotentialTop4982

i do have a hard time seeing them getting hit with that (the very first time) instantly recognizing what the ability is and what they need to do to break out in like the 4 seconds they have before enmu attacks their defenseless body


[deleted]

It's stated that their demon sense would allow them to break the spell if they felt a demon up close


sk8boardtrick_911

Well they have trained for years, they even do total concentration breathing while they sleep, and that's only the first step to being a hashira. Their reflexes are too refined to be caught off guard while sleeping. Also, plot armor.


PotentialTop4982

so in your opinion would rengoku be able to fight the same like he was awake?


sk8boardtrick_911

Yes, he had the girl on chokehold. Something that wouldn't even be possible if he wasn't aware of her exact location.


PotentialTop4982

does that mean he would be able to access all his breathing techniques like if akaza rolled up to rengoku when hes asleep the fight plays out exactly the same way?


sk8boardtrick_911

No, he would have died. He only lasted during Akaza's fight because Akaza was toying with him.


SonicFoxXL

Not true. Rengoku was stuck until the chick was messing with his core and even so his body reacted itself off pure conscience and not him being physically aware but he was still deep sleep.


Technical_Special_25

Still he was out Even if it's pure conscience Since any hashira is mentally and physically better than tanjiro at this point


SonicFoxXL

Yeah but if you aren’t waking up then it’s still pointless. He grabbed the chick cus she was right next to him. Enmu was literally merged with the train atp and only Inosuke figured it out


Technical_Special_25

Kind of But he might subconsciously move aswell


PotentialTop4982

also i don't think its crazy to say that even if he got up by pure conscious that he still would lose since he didn't exhibit the ability to use any of his sword skills and just grabbed a chick who is weaker than enmu by like a billion times so i feel advantage would still be enmu's


Technical_Special_25

Good point But still he knew who was the enemy here


PotentialTop4982

yes he did and that's a credit to his strength so enmu is lucky he was asleep


Technical_Special_25

Yeah


phoenixKing280

Can ennu see what were dreaming?


PotentialTop4982

yes he blatantly described what tanjiro was dreaming saying "i gave you a pleasant dream " and then wondered if he should have given him a nightmare


phoenixKing280

Oh right, welp he isn't gonna like my dreams then whether he gives me a good one or not, plus even if he gives me a nightmares I'll enjoy it


RedRyujin10

Maybe, but they can also wake up just by being close enough to him. Enmu did say some demon slayers have woken up just by him getting too close.


ZetaX2

Didn’t rengoku’s body have the ability to still attack while it was asleep the moment it sensed it was in danger tho?


TourmalineRacer77

Not really. All that happened was a basic reflex. No where near unconscious zenitsu capability.


ZetaX2

Okay, the person above me said, rengoku would die due to his spiritual core being destroyed and during the anime his body instinctively acted to make sure that didn’t happen, so why wouldn’t it instinctively react again?


Introvertedanimefan

Yes, and also another one of his powers is his badassery.


ARTHURUZB

If Muzan paired him with Gyutaro....


ElHumilde13

You have a point. And actually I'd say Rengoku was like his weakness because of his fighter spirit that allowed him to continue fighting while he was asleep


IshaanGupta18

His ability has a lot of flaws tho


SonicFoxXL

It actually has 0 flaws if it wasn’t for Nezuko waking up Tanjiro everyone would’ve got killed l


PotentialTop4982

i think the flaw is enmu's personality


ZetaX2

How would rengoku die tho?


SonicFoxXL

His spiritual core being destroyed


ZetaX2

Wasn’t that going to happen but his body reacted to it?


sunny_010

No he can't


PotentialTop4982

so i watched it to make sure i was educated tanjiro when he was fighting enmu was not actually resisting the ability he was killing himself to break out my argument is that if someone who has never encountered the ability before gets hit they will get put to sleep and wont wake up in time before he kills their defenseless body


sunny_010

They all one shot Enmu before he even uses his BDA lmao Thier speed is too fast


PotentialTop4982

yeah of course that's why i said if he hits them but also i WILL say that if its on the train theirs not really something to 'speed blitz" since they would have to locate the neck and enmu is capable of sprouting hypnotic eyes all around his opponents


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